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AJ: One more point, Senator John Decamp, because I've actually seen the Discovery channel documentary that never aired [Conspiracy of Silence]--and we actually played it here locally in Austin. They found hundreds of video tapes in King's office. The police saw it and freaked out, hid it and have never released it--and all those other children, people actually got convicted of this stuff because they thought they lied.
JD: Oh, yeah.
AJ: I want people to understand this is what, this all happened folks.
JD: This isn't a fantasy. I ended up winning a million dollars on behalf these kids--of against awful, awful, awful overwhelming odds--...
AJ: People are going to prison for this... Hold on. You were actually just out of the Senate, and you were hired to go whitewash the operation, because you thought "ya know this is ridiculous."
JD: That's what I was hired for.
AJ: Yeah.
JD: But I did the opposite.
...[the kid] he was taken to an area around Sacramento and then where they had the great big tall trees--and then they went in where there is some owl. Some big huge carved owl or something ... .
AJ: When we get back I want to read that.

below, child's view of Bohemian Grove...
video links

Bohemian Grove, CA: Human Sacrificed to Owl,
Bohemian Grove, CA: Human Sacrificed to Owl, "Midsummer sets us free!"
mere months into Bush I's Presidency: making himself at home?
mere months into Bush I's Presidency: making himself at home?
1984, teen boy,Grove witness: kidnapped, raped, porn filmed w/boys, snuff filmed
1984, teen boy,Grove witness: kidnapped, raped, porn filmed w/boys, snuff filmed
IMAGE ABOVE: True Story of Sex, Child Abuse, Murder & Drugs, Covered Up By Authorities, The front page headline of The Washington Times (June 29, 1989), months into Bush I. Seems he was making himself at home.

Websites, Articles, Radio Interviews, and Documentary:

(a) articles and MP3 radio interview with Ex-Senator, attorney, and book author DeCamp, "Interview of Ex-Senator Decamp on Government Child Killings, " by xx (Thursday Oct. 24, 2002), http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/10/1538670_comment.php ;

(b) webcast video: "Conspiracy of Silence," the Franklin cover-up video, by xx (Tuesday March 04, 2003) [RealVideo: stream with RealPlayer]  http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.ram,  http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.rm, or RM file (33.3 megabytes, [MB]) of same video in a higher res format for downloading: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence2.wmv.

Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. Researched and documented by a British journalistic team who came to the United States just for the story, it was censored at the last minute.

This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies.

Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson.

While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved.

(c) article: "Nebraska Inquiry Is Given File on Sex Abuse of Foster Children," By William Robbins, Special to The New York Times, The New York Times; Section 1; Part 1, Page 18, Column 2; National Desk (December 25, 1988, Sunday, Late City Final Edition).

(d) book: The Franklin Coverup: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska, by John W. Decamp. AWT, Inc. 1992. ISBN: 0-9632158-0-9. This book, written by a former state Senator, documents a web of abuses that could easily have been a cover operation for CIA mind control and child-sex entrapment operations. There have been persistent reports of prominent politicians being involved in sex and drug rings of this kind. The potential for blackmail and the position of strength that the managers of such an operation could achieve is staggering.


The Franklin case is a case is a point. How much evidence has come out? Or the MK-Ultra documents that have been declassified, shown as real, and people ignore it.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. But I believe that the media that downplays ritual abuse is feeding into a deep need in the average person to NOT know the reality. In fact, how can a person face the fact of great evil in mankind, unless they have either a strong faith in God, or are faced with insurmountable evidence? We as human beings want to believe the BEST of our race, not the worst, IMHO.

They don't care who prints this stuff, or if they are "exposed" because they are counting on the majority not believing it, having done a pretty good job with a media blitz campaign (seen any articles in Newsweek or Time lately that addresses this other than as a laughable conspiracy theory? Guess who owns Time-Warner?).

I have heard them laughing about this very thing in leadership meetings five years ago, and I doubt their attitude has changed much since then. If people DID believe this, if action could be taken, then I would be very surprised and quite happy." Svali

Here is the text from the interview
by xx Saturday, Oct. 26, 2002 at 7:28 PM

AJ: Senator Decamp, tell us about John Decamp. Tell us how you got into this, you didn't get into this to find all these horrors. You were basically there to disprove it for the [US] Senate, right? Counterpoint - VIET NAM (OPERATION BABYLIFT) - Accusation that John DeCamp's Babylift was a CIA program of kidnapping-for-profit, that at the very least included sloppy mistakes in "rescuing" babies from their own families and not only saving orphans from orphanages - Nobody's perfect, but one must wonder just a little about anyone with any connection to the CIA with its history of drug-running, assassinations and coups d'etat - both foreign and domestic - But then again, there must always be good folks inside every government agency to at least try to keep an eye on it and blow the whistle - or shoot - when needed, at least in theory. Much of the information on that Counterpoint website is innaccurate about the causes of the Vietnam War, in favor of the CIA, so perhaps its allagations about DeCamp are equally innaccurate and in favor of the drugrunners and mass-murderers at the CIA and in the White House, for both political parties. Apparently, CIA director and presidential candidate George "Poppy/Opium/Heroin" Bush is named in this book as attempting to cover up the Franklin arrests.

JD: I was. I had just gotten out of the [state] Senate a year or so before when this started breaking. Let me give the story real quick. In North Omaha, Nebraska there was a credit union, a federal credit union and that was run by a man named Larry King. Larry King was and you may remember and I'm sure you'll hear about him again. This is not the Larry King on T.V. but another one. He was officially listed in the NY Times as you mentioned then and a number of other states in mostly national publications. He was officially listed as the, I quote, "Fastest-rising black star in the Republican party. From you who may be listening maybe you attended the 1984 or 1988 Republican conventions. One in Texas, and another one--I remember I was there for the one in New Orleans, then...

AJ: You're a Republican. Now let's get that out there.

JD: I guess.

AJ: I'm the same way.

JD: It's kinda like, but anyway--Larry King opened both those national conventions, as some of you may remember. In fact, back in old (20's ville) they always show the convention being open. Larry opened both of them by singing the National Anthem. He's a great singer. A great whatever you call it? Baratone or alto or whatever those strange things are, but anyway...

AJ: Vocalist.

JD: I knew it was one of those but anyway--Larry is the man singing there at the opening convention and on election day, 1988, for George Bush, when George Bush was inaugurated. That would have been when George Bush was elected. Anyway, the Fed's raided this [high level Republican] guy's little credit union in North Omaha. It was suppose to be serving to minority community, specifically the black community and they shut her down. They said there was a lot of missing money. Stories started floating out as always happens when some incident like that occurs, and some of the stories--there is missing money that was used for this and that--but some of those stories were even strange. The stories were coming from kids, all over. Young kids--16, 14, 13--kids telling about how they had been on Larry's private jet to this party or that party. Or that they had been at the Republican National Convention here, or they had been at this political event in Washington, and the stories had to with that they were there and how they were used as drug couriers--13, 14-year old kids--back then, going through the airport. . .[they] could get through without anyone asking twice about anything. They pack the kids full of Cocaine or whatever in little backpacks they'd carry on their bodies, between their legs, etc, etc. Young boys, young girls--and these kids were telling much stranger tales that seemed bizarre at the time. Stories like they had had sex with this or that famous politician or businessman....and I was the one who stood up and said, this has got to be the most hilarious, ridiculous story I've ever heard. First of all, I knew Larry King. What the heck! I was head of banking at the time he was when he was doing his banking stuff, [I was head of] the senate banking committee here in Nebraska. It's absurd. All the stories started (prompting) more and more, and I said something else, and I said, look if I believe even one of these crazy stories I'd be one of the first one's to stand up and demand that something be done. I got a letter from a kid named Paul Bonacci who told me that these are not just fake tales.

AJ: Now later, you took his diary that went back, like 5 years, and ink experts and forensics experts looked at it, and he had all this stuff written down.

JD: That was the strange thing about this kid. I wish I had been able to do that throughout life, but apparently when he was a little boy--he was about 18 when I had meet him in jail, 17 or 18--and as a young kid his uncle or grandfather or somebody had taught him religiously to keep a diary where you mark everything down, everyday. Well, he did it in detail. So when I went and visited with him, and he told me these strange tales. And then you had to hear the psychiatric medical institutions in the state university say "Hey, this kid, he ain't crazy. He's a multiple personality. He's probably telling the truth because multiples don't need to lie. They just switch personality. Anyway, to make a long, long bizarre story short. I found out that he was in jail because he had been in one of those intimately involved in all this--and he had to be shut up real quick to conclude it. Now, at the time I didn't realize that, so they locked him up and charged him with touching another boy on the outside of his pants, his cousin or something.

AJ: Senator, talk right into your telephone please.

JD: Anyway, they have him there in jail, and I finally agreed to represent him. And that led to a long, long tale that's got me deeply involved in researching and investigating the collapse of the credit union and the personalities involved. Ultimately, on the advice of my best friend--closest friend, godfather, whatever--eventually writing a book because he told me that what I should probably do to protect myself--and that man was a man named Bill Colby, of the time that I started writing the next book. Bill, as you know was head of the CIA and ended up floating dead in a pond somewhere.

But I won't get into that right now. Anyway, I wrote the book and as I got at the very beginning of this story and working on it, one of the things I did do was, as I say, obtain the diary of this young boy to see just what he did say and then I had them checked.

AJ: And it wasn't just that. I mean they've got...

JD: Forensic experts--and the forensics were called in because somebody said he could have just made this all up later. He could have made this up later, and I wanted to make sure that this wasn't done. So we had forensic examiners who said that this ink was done at a certain time and this could of only been done that long ago--and on and on. Anyway--to get to the heart of the discussion...

AJ: One more point, Senator John Decamp, because I've actually seen the Discovery channel documentary that never aired--and we actually played it here locally in Austin, I'll send you a copy of it--they found hundreds of video tapes in King's office. The police saw it and freaked out, hid it, and they have never released it--and for all those other children, people actually got convicted of this stuff [when they claimed they were lying and sent them to jail, when the police actually found the video tape proof, though have hidden the evidence.]

JD: Oh, yeah.

AJ: I want people to understand--this is what, this all happened folks.

JD: This isn't a fantasy. I ended up winning a million dollars on behalf of these kids--against awful, awful, awful overwhelming odds--including the Omaha World Herald newspaper that attacked me so viciously because one of the key individuals I got locked up in prison was was one of their editors.. There's another individual--but anyway...

AJ: People are going to prison for this...

JD: He just got released from prison here about what 8 or 10 months ago.

AJ: Hold on. You were actually just out of the Senate and you were hired to go whitewash the operation because you thought these kids stories were ridiculous.

JD: That's what I was hired for.

AJ: Yeah.

JD: But I did the opposite.

AJ: Well I call you an impeccable witness. Go ahead.

JD: Anyway so yeah I won the million dollar judgment for the kids in federal court finally--and it wasn't easy--and I want to talk about that a little because some of the stuff coming out about that pedophilia in the Catholic church now were things were written in my book way back then. But anyway--to get to the heart of the matter, that you called about as I understand it. I simply took the diaries of the kid Paul Bonacci, and I printed a good portion of them in my book--and one of them--and one of the areas described a trip in 1984. I could even read part of it here if you want. In fact, on this trip he was taken to an area around Sacramento, and then, where they had the great big tall trees, and then they went in where there is some owl. Some big huge carved owl or something ... .

AJ: When we get back I want to read that.

JD: O.K.

AJ: Well please continue. Go ahead.

JD: Anyway, so there was what he claimed. I wasn't there so I don't know so well. That's the closest I've been to Bohemian Grove. Paul took me out, and showed me where it was--and indeed there is a place there. And I didn't know there was a place called Bohemian Grove. I didn't write Bohemian Grove in the book because I didn't know what it was. I just took his diary. Anyway, it clearly is where he was taken, and he was taken out there for a ceremony--in which they committed some pretty horrible things on another boy and three boys; and they filmed it and I just took his word and the names he wrote there right in the book. And by the way just to answer your next question. Yes, I put names in the book, dates and everything that I could just as they were. Why? Because I figured: blow it out all straight; and a number of threatening calls came to me after the first edition came out. "This is the most liablest, slanderest thing we've ever heard." I said fine. I think I've done enough to prove it, and I'm satisfied. If somebody feels that way. I said "if somebody said these things about me, I'd sue them for liableist slander."

AJ: And here you are 10 years later, and you're winning lawsuits. [based on that information]

JD: Well, there was indeed one libel slander lawsuit as a result of the book. But, that was one I filed against some group called Great Atlantics Telecast Company--some TV network on the east coast--when they had one of the characters in the book, who also happened to be running for president at the time, go around saying, "Oh, don't believe this, and don't believe this, is a lie" and they reported him, and I sued him. Well it ended up they ended up paying me off, backing down and reaching a settlement.

AJ: Stay right there, Senator. This is powerful info. It's all coming up.

JD: That's right. Right here in Austin, Texas. Every month they're grabbing the equivalent of 5 first grade classrooms of child protective services. No rights, no nothing. Parents, it's just a total takeover and the very people doing this here locally are involved in their own forms of wickedness which is a whole another show. This stuff is proliflic. It is a cult of evil and it's more wide spread than you can probably can imagine. Senator Decamp, we were talking during the break and you made the point how this is this new world . What do you mean by this new world?

JD: Well, you just talked about some of it. You just talked about some of it. About 5 , 6 years ago on behalf of a family here that was just totally destroyed by both protective services. I filled a class action suit against the entire system and finally the plantiff , myself, I just couldn't keep it up. They had unlimited lawyers on the other side but I did bring out an awful, awful lot of things that are sure proof enough since then from the way they take kids. The way , your rights the parents are pretty well destroyed. But I'm not going into that now we can talk about that another day.

AJ: It's just such a horror.

JD: A whole new world we live in from I guess what I thought I grew up in here long, long time ago admittedly. I keep I said to you it sure is a new world order. I think or something like that and then I realized that it was a worn out phrase that I guess some people are really trying to implement. But anyway...

AJ: Continuing you actually have a passages in your book out of the diary ...

JD: Well, I have a , I have right here the diary. Do you want me to read a little? Understand that I didn't know that the thing was called Bohemian Grove back then, nor did the kid Paul when he was writing about it. All he knew was he was taken to this place. Let me just read it. It'll take three minutes. Is that o.k.?

AJ: Go ahead.

JD: "I went in January"--now this is Paul Bonacci writing this. This is directly word for word, from his diary.

"I went in January of '84 on every trip. I was paid by men King knew for sex. The summer of 84' sometime, I was (?) and had sex with several men King knew in a hotel. I flew on (YNR) airlines--by the way it's a private airline or private charter deal--and Cam airlines, another charter deal normally for King. I never had much personally to do with King--only went where he told me to go. In or on July 26th [by the way, Bohemian Grove is two weeks every summer], I went to Sacramento, CA. King flew me out in a private plane from (Eplick) airfield in Omaha to Denver where we picked up Nicholas, a boy who was about 12 or 13. Then we flew to Vegas--to a desert strip--and drove into Las Vegas to some ranch and got something. Then flew on to to Sacramento. We were picked up by a white limo in Sacramento and taken to a hotel. I don't remember the name of it. We meaning, Nicholas and I, were driven to an area that had big, big trees. It took about an hour to get there. There was a cage with a boy in it who was not wearing anything. Nicholas and I were given these tarzan things to put around us and stuff like that. They told me to, I won't use the word, blank the boy and stuff. In other words, have sex with. At first, I said 'No' and they held a gun to my genitals I'll use the word and said 'do it or else lose them' or something like that. I began doing it to the boy and stuff. And Nicholas had anal sex with him and stuff. We were told to blank him and stuff, and beat on him. I didn't try to hurt him. We were told to put our blanks in his mouth and stuff and sit on the boys blank and stuff--and they filmed it. We did this stuff to the boy for about 30 minutes or an hour, when a man came in and kicked us and stuff--and in the genitals. And he picked us up and threw us. He grabbed the boy and started blanking him and stuff. The man was about, I'm not sure how to say, the man was about so many inches long and the boy screamed and stuff. The man was forcing his blank into the boy all the way. The boy was bleeding from his rectum and the men tossed me and him and stuff and put the boy right next to me and grabbed a gun and blew the boy's head off. The boy's blood was all over me and I started yelling and crying and the men grabbed Nicholas and I forced us to lie down. They put the boy on top of Nicholas who was crying and they were putting Nicholas's hands on the boys blank. They put the boy on top of me and did the same thing. They then forced me to blank the kid. It's pretty crude. They put a gun to our heads to make us do it. His blood was all over us. They made us kiss the boys lips. Anyway, a few other things. Then they made me do something I don't even want to write so I won't. After that, the men grabbed Nicholas and dragged him off screaming. They put me up against a tree--and put a gun to my head--but fired into the air. I heard another shot from somewhere--and then saw the man who killed the boy drag him like a toy. Everything--including when the men put the boy in the trunk--was filmed. The men took me with them, and we went up in a plane. I saw the bag the boy was in. We went over a very thick brush area with a clearing in it. Over the clearing they dropped the boy. One said, 'the man with the hood would take care of the body' for them. I didn't see Nicholas until that night at the hotel. He and I hugged and held each other for a long while. About 2 hours later, then men or Larry King came in and told us to go take a shower, since we'd had only been hosed off at some guys house. We took a shower together and were told to put on the tarzan things and after we were cleaned up and dressed in these things we were told to put on shorts, socks and a shirt and shoes and were driven to a house where the men were at some others. They had the film [that was described above] and they played it. As the men watched it they passed Nicholas and I around as if we were toys ... .

AJ: Stay right there. This is what the New World Order wants to do to your kids.

[station break]

AJ: I want to go back into the investigation. That's one of the clearest pieces of evidence. Now, tell us how they tried to stop it? How one of the investigators was obviously killed. Do you think this is a good place to continue?

JD: That's when I brought Colby in. Bill Colby was like, I say a very close friend, when the (?) of the investigation. The one that the senate had hired to do the investigation called from Chicago. He had gone there on a trip to pick up a bunch of material. It was a remarkable coincidental thing was one of the central central characters of the book was named Robert (Watts) and had been the police chief of Omaha at the time of these events that are written about in the book (... ... ?) I'm not suggesting anything I'm just saying it's some of the most remarkable coincidences in the world and since that time I've learned from the sheriff's office who was first on the scene (... ... ?) How they had FBI move--or Federal officials they claimed--and took all the stuff, and told them instead that he had seized no pictures and stuff that they found laying around, and they told the sheriff's deputy, who was there, "You've not been here. You've not seen anything. If you talk you're in trouble. Compromising federal investigation is a ... ". Anyway Gary Caradori and his friend were both killed in that plane accident and of course he didn't testify--and it was only years later when I was still trying to pursue it in the federal courts on a trial, to prove some things that I learned through a pure fluke of faith. Again, and it's been that way all along: some little strange thing happens and it keeps proving once again, when they say 'this didn't happen or this couldn't have happened' or whatever--some new little thing comes forward that proves it. And in this case it was a call from a police the detective who was head of the patrol.

He claims he was head of the State Patrol in Oregon and he told me that they had just arrested and seized a bunch of material and they found a copy of this book, "The Franklin Cover-up" which we're talking about right now and this person had this in his possession and they saw certain pages underlined . And I said " What's the person's name? ". They said, "It is Russell Nelson." Eventually to make a long, long story short, I got him out of prison and got him up here to testify and bring pictures and tried to see other pictures to confirm the story by the courts. He was a key witness then that ended up in a million dollar judgment.

He was Larry King's private photographer who had been going to the various things--and taking pictures of the comprised politician or whatever with a kid, or with this or that.

AJ: Yeah, the report produced by the BBC people that was aired on Discovery actually showed the police admitting all this. I mean they grabbed all these videos and photo's. It's just like the finders in DC. That outfit, with all the kids.

JD: I know it extremely well. I was a personal (?????????) . and I went there.

AJ: Yeah.

JD: That was another story.

AJ: I can't even mention what was in that warehouse. It's all too profane. This is something just like from the pit of hell.

JD: See, I know people listening right now will think this is la la land, this is make believe these are fruitcakes talking about that this couldn't happen. Particularly, with prominent people. They wouldn't be fiddling with little kids and wouldn't be. Unfortunately, I also believe that. I guess I want to believe that. But I'll guarantee you that bad things have happened out there. They do happen. One of the coincidences that I think is going to rock the people very shortly is one of the centerpieces of this thing was using a lot of kids out of a place called Boys Town. Boys Town of course is one of the most respected institutions in this country, as it should be. It's done more for young boys throughout the last what 75 or 100 years probably than just about any other institution you want to mention. At the same time, corruption can occur. Even the best apples can get rotten by it. In this case, as I identified very clearly in the book, Larry King was operating and getting kids out of Boys Town and using them for sex. Well, of course the Discovery channel--that sent a team in from Britain--spent about half million dollars doing things and I think that was one of the centerpieces of theirs. You've seen that one right?

AJ: Oh yeah. We actually put it on TV.

JD: Anyway, they pretty well ... . The head of Boys Town is now an 87 year old man, a monsignor. Guess who his latest attorney is? He's hired--cause he's getting old and is worried about wanting to get some things told and get some truth out, which might happen about next week--his newest attorney is a young--well he's not young anymore is he?--a man named John Decamp who wrote a book called "The Franklin Cover-up." And if anybody would have a reason to want to attack me, it was him. Instead he is doing the opposite.

AJ: Now repeat that again.

JD: He hired me within the last week or ten days as his private attorney because of some of things you've been reading in the national press, pediphilia of the priests and so on. He's an old man now, and he's 87 or 88.

AJ: And who is he again?

JD: He was the head of Boys Town.

AJ: Oh. O.K. Monsignor...

JD: He also was the only Catholic priest ever appointed as a delegate to the United Nations. He was a special delegate appointed by, I think, two different presidents as a representative to the United Nations on behalf of children.

AJ: And he's going to blow the whistle?

JD: He's going to provide some information that I think will rock some people and will immediately denounce him and (shut him up).

AJ: I hope he's got bodyguards around him right now?

JD: No, he's an old man that will probaly be an outcast once he tells this. So I've said to much on that already probably.

AJ: That's incredible. I tell ya you're all over the place. I remember the case you were trying to expose--(Sheltbecker) Services--and of course you're going after the whole Columbine deal.

JD: Now, I was hired by some of the teacher's family--of one of the teachers that was killed--to represent a group of people. And we have filed a lawsuit because these kids (Harrah & Cleabay?) out there that killed all these people. They were absolute unlimited addicts of a couple of video games that are just training kids to be ...

AJ: Doom was produced, Doom is a military game they admit.

JD: That's correct. That's correct.

AJ: Because they've found in soldiers, in Vietnam especially most people will not fire up close on somebody and through the video games it trains them to disconnect and do it. And this will be our swat teams of the future. And now they've found out that a bunch of swat teams are actually shooting the kids too. So, it's credible. Getting back into the Franklin Cover-up.

(Flip tape)

JD: ...into the death of Garry Caradori and after I did some investigation or whatever. He basically told them you're never going to know the answer. Anyway, so I was sitting with him, and I was talking to him and his wife at the man's place one night there. I said, "I don't know what to do next". I see prosecutors who are afraid to prosecute. I see politicians who shouldn't be there. I see institutions of government who have surrendered respectability because they've been comprised or corrupted or threatened or whatever. I said, "I don't know what to do!" He said, "I'm going to tell you what to do". I said, "Thank goodness!". He said "Get as far away from this thing as you can!" Forget you ever saw us or know it, heard it or anything else. I said, "Wait a minute! You're telling me, the former head of the CIA, particularly during the Vietnam thing and all that nonsense. I said, "You're telling me that I should just walk away from this and pretend it didn't happen?". He said, "John, I love you. I love your kids. I love your family. He says "This is just a little more serious than you think. Let me tell you a story". So then he starts and he says, "Last night I returned from Moscow". I said, "What the blazes is the former head of the CIA doing in Moscow?". He says, "Believe or not we were there to, along with some others who's names you'd recognize, try to make sure that nobody pushes a button and does the wrong thing--cause things are unstable". Now this occurred exactly, this conversation, exactly three weeks before the famous Gorbachev, whatever, the revolution and the fall of, you know what I'm talking about--where they held Gorbachev hostage for awhile. Remember?

AJ: Yeah,

JD: What's his name? Anyway, Yeltsin, that's it. Then exactly two weeks before that, he is saying to me things were unstable then. Anyway, then he says, "You know the night before I was to leave I couldn't sleep. I was thinking about the momentous event that I was participating in". He says, "Frank, that was the night that I couldn't sleep. Instead, just go for a walk. Of course, I knew that was forbidden. Everybody knew who I was and the guards wouldn't let me out. However, they just ignored me and I walked down the whole hotel. The most prestigious hotel right there on Red Square where we were staying". He said, "I walked up to the door on the Kremlin it was two o'clock in the morning, guards watching, nobody paid any attention, nobody cared". He said he walked up right to a statue of Lenin there. Nobody cared. Two/three o'clock in the morning and then he said, "an then it struck me". I said, "What struck you?". He said, "They were dead! It's over! The cold war is over! We won!". Remember, this is three weeks before all this broke loose and the whole thing collapsed. And then I said, "Uh-ha". And then he said something else struck him, and I said "gosh what was that." He says, "That this walk in the middle in of the night in absolute silence--and nobody caring in the middle of Red Square about the former head of the CIA who fought these blank people for forty years. That this was going to be the only victory parade that I and all the cold war warriors would ever have. We wouldn't have a march down Madison Avenue like the soldiers in WWII or whatever." He said there wouldn't be any victory parade and ticker tape just march. He said, "Well Bill that's a real interesting story but for gosh sakes what's my great lesson I'm to learn to here?". He said, "Well I guess I'm trying to tell you is John sometimes there are forces too big and too evil. Even though we know they are there and we know it it absolutely important for us to deal with it the way we would want or should, could. Therefore, you have to turn and walk away. If you want to live to fight another day". It doesn't make sense to me but anyway. Then he says, "These forces are too big and too evil and too powerful. You're going to get killed if you keep playing around! I don't want that!". I said, "You mean there's nothing I can do?". He said, "Well, you have to do something. The safest thing, the best thing you can do for your own safety is write your story. Tell it all is and get ridiculed may not be believed but at least if you tell it there's no reason for them to do you in. They'll just try to ridicule you".

AJ: Yeah, because that'll make them even more powerful. They don't want to make the book a martyr.

JD: Yeap.

AJ: There are so many facets to this. How many children were you able to confirm were involved in this, and ....

JD: I can't confirm a total number. I dealt with, I think, probably 25 or 30 that were really intimately involved.

AJ: A lot of these were children--according to the book, the news articles, the press--were children that didn't even know each other, cross-referencing in the same thing and telling the same story.

JD: Well yes, absolutely. In other words, it wasn't because just one kid said this, and the story of the good guys is that 'well because they make up this terrible hoax it's all a hoax'--somehow perpetrated by these absolutely penniless impoverished children who all got together somehow and told this tale? Get real!

AJ: There were convictions. And you wrote the book. And nobody sued you, because---I mean these children didn't know they were flown to Sacramento and then driving for an hour and that's how long it takes to get to the Grove--and they describe it in great detail, and the stuff that came out earlier. I've been there for their big 'Ta Do'--well, it's not a small crowd but it's a big crowd. (Unintelligible) bring a body in, they burn it, and it screams in pain. And that's just the kind of stuff they do there. When Skull and Bones came out on Fox News last year, slitting the woman's throat, the blood squirts--why isn't there a police investigation? If my neighbors saw me slitting women's throats and worshipping satan which they were doing by the way I'm gonna tell you, in my back yard? wouldn't they call the cops on me? Wouldn't the cops have probable cause, John, for the search of my house?

JD: I sure think so. But then once again everything sounds so unbelievable or something.

AJ: I would expect to see the police ripping out my walls. If I saw my neighbor doing this and I reported it. I would expect a warrant and a search.

JD: Yeah, I know. As I say, the problem is that gap between something outrageous and what the average human being is capable of believing based on their own human experiences.

AJ: Is that the New World Orders trick is that they do everything in plain sight so overtly it's just so arrogant so insane that the average person just can't even process it mentally?

JD: Well, I'm not sure what the plan is or isn't. I guess I'm not smart enough to know. I do know that what I wrote about and what occurred here I absolutely know and believe occurred and is pretty horrible; and that's a part of some larger program or plot, then I'm really worried! I'm scared for us all, so to speak.

AJ: So some of these people are now getting out of prison?

JD: Larry got out, the editor got out, a couple of the others got charged and paid a fine and then got felonies dropped to misdemeanors. For all practical purposes, anybody who was in prison has been redeemed and somehow holy now.

AJ: Folks, if you want to load the phones up we'll let you talk to John Decamp and how to get his powerful book (?) 1-800-259-9231. Be right back.

JD: It's got over 85,000 copies now sold. But anyway:

P.O. Box 85461
Lincoln, Nebraska 68501

Make it $12.00 shipping and handling, it's actually a little more than that but just mention Alex Jones and it's $12.00 shipping and handling and everything.

AJ: It's only $12.00? [includes additional looseleaf information]

JD: Yeah, what the heck.


Famous Kidnapping Case Implicates
Top Political Figures in Child Prostitution Network

On Sept. 5, 1982, a 12-year-old West Des Moines, Iowa, paperboy named Johnny Gosch disappeared. Although his case made national headlines what his mother learned about Johnny's kidnapping has been kept under wraps by the mainstream media in America. His mother, Noreen Gosch, discovered not only that Johnny was still alive--long after his disappearance--but that he was in the hands of a Nebraska-based nationwide pedophile and child prostitution ring that has been collaborating with high-level "mind control" operations of the CIA.

Mrs. Gosch was the guest on the Aug. 19 broadcast of Radio Free America, a weekly call-in talk forum sponsored by American Free Press.

Although it's been 19 years since your son Johnny was taken from you, you now know your boy is still alive and that's part of the story that you're about to tell.

Yes, I did get to see my son once since he was taken away. After he was kidnapped it was a nightmare trying to get anything organized to help, and the police were not real cooperative here, which I couldn't understand. That forced me to hire private investigators.

Many years after Johnny's kidnapping, we learned that the police chief in West Des Moines was linked to the Franklin situation in Omaha. This was the chief who was the controlling factor in Johnny's case and made all of the decisions about what was done in the investigation. And in Johnny's case, they didn't do anything.

For the first three days, even though we had witnesses who saw the man and talked to the man who approached Johnny on the street, the police chief kept calling Johnny a "runaway." One of the witnesses happened to be a 44-year old attorney who is now a judge in Des Moines.

This was in 1982, long before the scandal surrounding the "Franklin Cover-up" in Omaha involving top-ranking Republican Party figure Lawrence King started coming to light.

That's correct.

There was a small article in the paper. I took it to the police chief and I said, "Could you check this out? These two girls were taken and the article says that the girls were taken to Omaha and the men were caught. They had forced the two girls into a prostitution ring."

When I showed this article to the police chief, he got very upset and he said, "No, I'm not going to check it out, because I don't have a feel for this. There can't be anything to it."

I then went to the FBI and they refused. I went to the Department of Criminal Investigation in Iowa and they refused. So at that point I called a press conference and told the public that this was happening and that the police would not help me. Within two days of the press conference, I received my first death threat and the man said to me, "Stop making waves or you are going to die."

What I believe to this day, and what attorney John DeCamp [who has been investigating the Franklin affair] believes also is that I was actually "knocking on the back door" of the Franklin affair in Omaha by making my public accounting.

It appears, based on what DeCamp and other investigators have uncovered, that Omaha has been the center of this whole child theft ring.

Where is that police chief in West Des Moines now?

After about six months of this behavior on his part, I made a phone call to the members of the city council and I told them that I was going to file a $20 million lawsuit naming the police chief as negligent. They had an emergency meeting of the council in the basement of the police department on that Sunday night and on Monday morning they announced that the police chief was retiring because he was not in good enough health to handle the job anymore.

Two months after he retired--stepped down--he was found shoplifting at the Target store here. He took videotapes and little hooks that you would hang from a ceiling.

I later learned that he was very good friends with Robert Wadman, the police chief from Omaha who was in office at the time that the Franklin affair was going on. Wadman was disgraced, having gotten a young girl, Alicia Owen, pregnant.

It turns out that our Des Moines police chief would go over to Omaha all the time to participate in these parties with Wadman and the others.

Apparently, based on what you've learned, your son was taken for the very reason that he fit a profile that somebody wanted. This came out in court testimony by Paul Bonacci, one of the young victims of the Franklin affair, who was at first charged with perjury and sent to jail for daring to make accusations under oath about the Franklin affair. With De Camp's help, Bonacci has since won a $1 million judgment against Lawrence King and the people who abused him. He's essentially been vindicated.

Paul Bonacci testified in his civil suit that he was one of the people who helped kidnap Johnny. He was the first to sexually molest Johnny. He told all of the gruesome details. The judge asked, "Why did they want Johnny Gosch when they could have their pick of a lot of runaway kids?" Bonacci looked at the judge and told him, "Johnny fit the profile of what they were looking for. They sell kids to pedophiles who want certain kids with certain features."

Bonacci testified that they had followed Johnny on nights when he was coming home from school and had photographed him and those photographs were put in a book and a pedophile picked him out.

This must have been awful for you to learn about. Did you first hear about this in court?

No, I had previously gone to the prison to meet Bonacci when he first confessed. That was a few years before the court case where the judge finally ruled that he was telling the truth. Paul Bonacci waited 10 years to be vindicated. When he first came forward about this, the police said he was nuts and the West Des Moines police department that was in charge of Johnny's case would not even interview him.

Now that Lawrence King is out of prison, where he was being held on financial crimes, Bonacci may be able to get that $1 million in damages from him.

DeCamp has been told that upon getting out of prison, Lawrence King was slated to go to Washington for a job within the Republican Party.

Lawrence King was never charged with anything to do with the abduction and molestation of some 80 children who came forward in the Franklin case with the same story that Paul Bonacci told. Those children were all discredited, but Paul stuck to his story and would not recant. For that they put him in prison and accused him of perjury.

Alicia Owen also stuck to her story. She's the girl that the Omaha police chief got pregnant.

She recently was released from prison but is keeping a very low profile. She's terribly scared since her brother was murdered as a warning to her to keep her mouth shut. She does not do any interviews. Her parents will not do interviews. They live in fear.

The British Broadcasting Company (BBC) did a program, Conspiracy of Silence, about this whole affair and it really nails Boys Town for its role in this.

The film Conspiracy of Silence was due to be aired in the United States on the Discovery Channel in May of 1994 and then just before airtime, it was pulled. Sometime later John DeCamp received a copy in the mail and he made it available to me. The BBC was ordered to destroy all copies.

Yet, a BBC employee, who was so shocked at this story and the censorship, made a copy and got it out to John DeCamp.

It is said that the BBC was paid $500,000 not to air the documentary.

I imagine somebody in the United States did not want this story coming out, since it went all the way to the top in Washington. The video shows Paul Rodriguez, a reporter at The Washington Times, talking about the articles that were all written concerning certain congressmen and the call-boy service that was operating there.

You received a remarkable visit in your home.

There was a knock at my door at about 2:30 a.m. I went to the door and I could see through the peephole that there was a young man outside. I said, "Who's there?" He said, "It's me, mom. It's Johnny." I could see that there was someone with him, but I let them in. I don't know who the other young man was. I asked, but he declined to tell me.

Johnny would have been about 24 years old at this point. What did he tell you?

It was very emotional. I asked if I could call someone to come and help us, thinking that he was home to stay. But Johnny was so terrified. He said, "You don't understand. You can't call anyone. No one can know that I've been here. If you do, my life is in danger and yours might be, too. They will kill me for what I know."

Instead of pushing this issue, I said to myself, "No, I'm going to let him talk and tell me what's happened." So during our hour-and-a-half time that we had together. I learned a lot. I asked him names of people. I asked him how they did their organization. What type of things did they do? What methods did they use to traffic in children?

He was here in 1997, but I kept silent for two years and didn't tell anyone about his visit until 1999 when I was on the witness stand testifying for Paul Bonacci in his civil case. But what I had done in the meantime was to make an appointment with the county attorney. I went in and told him that I had information from an informant. I gave the county attorney the names of the people involved and how the organization worked and asked him to begin an investigation. I did not tell him that the informant was my son.

Did the county attorney investigate?

No, he said that he would not. The only reason he gave was that I would have to somehow convince my informant to turn himself in and be a part of the witness protection program and that they "might" be able to give my informant (Johnny) immunity for any crimes he may have committed during his captivity.

I looked at the county attorney and said, "They 'might' be able to give him immunity? That doesn't work for me." He responded, "Well, you're going to have to turn over the boy." I said, "I don't have the boy." I didn't tell him that it was Johnny, but I did tell him that "the informant" had told me that Johnny was still alive.

I said to the county attorney: "I came here to share information with you as I always have. This way I can never be charged with withholding information. If you choose not to investigate, that's up to you. I will continue my investigation as I always have."

You also had a mysterious visitor from Washington. Are you still in touch with this person?

Nobody has been able to find him. I have had people looking for him for the last 10 years. He knew a tremendous amount and he was part of the CIA. I think he was sent here to do a job, find out what I knew and how I was proceeding on the case. He was also right by my side when I testified in Washington. About three or four months later he vanished.

Do you think he had a connection with former CIA Director William Colby who helped his longtime protegee, John DeCamp, in the Franklin affair?

Yes, I think he did have a connection with Mr. Colby.

He had with him--and this is what convinced me--a complete dossier on every member of my family, even those who were deceased. He had information about their lives that could have never been public.

The key to this whole scandal involving Johnny and the Franklin affair and all of this child kidnapping and molestation is the very scary story of "mind control" experiments conducted by our own government agencies and those of foreign intelligence agencies.

Yes, it is. In my book, I tell the story of Michael Aquino [head of the Satanic cult, the Temple of Set]. You see, when Johnny was taken away, he was taken to a farmhouse and kept there for two weeks. After those two weeks, Johnny was sold for a sum of money. A man they called "the colonel," came and took Johnny to Colorado. Paul Bonacci identified that man as Col. Michael Aquino.

Aquino was involved in "psy-ops" and "mind war" experimentation for the U.S. government. He had a hand in developing mind control.

Unfortunately they began to experiment on men in the services--this is the concept of "The Manchurian Candidate"--one that could be turned into a killing machine and never remember, programmed by key words and phrases. Then they decided to experiment on prisoners in prisons.

Then along came Michael Aquino, who was already a pedophile. He and others thought that it would be financially beneficial to them, somehow, to begin to experiment on children. That's when they began taking children.

Imagine the tremendous power of mind control using pornography and drugs.

According to what Paul Bonacci and others have stated, after they used the techniques they did with Paul (using him during the day and then returning them to their homes), the children wouldn't remember what had happened because of the mind control. Then they decided to take children out of their stable home situations. They now wanted to see if it would work on kids who had stable family lives.

They already knew that it would work with runaways and with kids in controlled situations like Boys Town in Omaha.

That's right. That's when, in the early 1980s, there was a rash of kidnappings of young boys across the country. Many were deemed "runaways." There were only a handful who were taken who actually made the national headlines. Johnny was one of them.

That was in part because you were so persistent.

Two years after Johnny was taken, they came back to this city and took another paperboy named Eugene Martin, who is still missing and never found. But Johnny and Paul Bonacci (and a third witness who is too afraid to come forward) have told me that the same people who took Johnny also took Eugene.

John DeCamp has helped bring the photographer, Rusty Nelson, out into the open. He's the photographer who took the pictures that were part of this pedophile ring's operations.

Nelson was the photographer who took the pictures of Johnny being molested. He was also the photographer they used in Washington for all the parties that Lawrence King had where prominent people were in attendance.

There is some new information coming out.

I was recently advised that there is a prisoner who has some information that points toward the guilty parties. This prisoner had tried with 30 previous letters to get in touch with me, but all his letters were stopped and never got to me. This last letter went a different route. I went to see this prisoner and private investigators and John DeCamp are working with this prisoner.


articles and MP3 radio interview with Ex-Senator, attorney, and book author DeCamp, "Interview of Ex-Senator Decamp on Government Child Killings, " by xx (Thursday Oct. 24, 2002), http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/10/1538670_comment.php ;

(b) webcast video: "Conspiracy of Silence," the Franklin cover-up video, by xx (Tuesday March 04, 2003) [RealVideo: stream with RealPlayer]  http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.ram,  http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.rm, or RM file (33.3 megabytes, [MB]) of same video in a higher res format for downloading: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence2.wmv.

Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. Researched and documented by a British journalistic team who came to the United States just for the story, it was censored at the last minute.

This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies.

Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson.

While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved.

add a comment on this article

important information here 29.Jan.2005 02:40

let's face the facts

People with either courage or objectivity note the evil conduct of people in high places - in government, military, banking, commerce, the law profession, medicine, media, etc. How can this be? How can all these apparently upstanding professionals be as bad as they seem? Perhaps they are members of a large scale satanic cult. Masonry, Catholics, Jesuits, Protestants, the CIA, the narcotics trade, the sex slave trade, the pornography and prostitution trade, the gambling industry, the oil industry, the weapons industry, the military and police all seem to have a major hand in a coordinated global crime and debauchery syndicate. Perhaps Satanism is sweeping our globe, disguised as honorable activities. We must learn more about Masonry, the Skull and Bones society, the Bohemian Grove, the the massive and rapidly growing international sex slave trade. Follow the trail. And don't shut your eyes if the subject is difficult to bear.

Disgust 29.Jan.2005 04:33

eyes closed tight

What do you expect, it's Rumsfeld who has the tape of the boy being raped at Abu-ghraib. Show us that and then convince us we've got some bad apples, because guess what? They don't fall far from the tree. Everyone's grandmother taught them that. So no matter what cute soundbyte they stick to it, it just comes back to blow up in their face.

COS is a real kick in the stomach. thanks for posting this.

Skolnick quote: Chicago judges/hospitals doing "doubletime" ritual activities 29.Jan.2005 05:56


Bob Woodward gets along swell with members of satanist cults like Skull & Bastards Society members Daddy Bush and son George W. Several Chicago-area Judges, including Du Page Chief Judge Alfred Woodward, were named defendants in a civil suit..Some of the Judges were directors and owned and operated a hospital ***accused specifically of having a sideline of conducting satanic rituals mis-using tiny children. As is typical, a crooked Chicago federal judge, up the wall about the litigation, put it arbitrarily out of court*** without permitting any evidentiary hearings.

full article (which deals with several associated, though specifically unreated to this, things):

more on Omaha, Nebraska 30.Jan.2005 12:12


George Bush:


Webster G. Tarpley &
Anton Chaitkin

Assembled from the web version at:

Chapter -XXI- Omaha

On the morning of June 29, 1989, pandemonium erupted in the corridors of power in the nation's capital. ``Homosexual Prostitution Probe Ensnares Official of Bush, Reagan,'' screamed the front-page headline of the Washington Times with the kicker ``Call Boys Took Midnight Tour of White House.''

The Times reported, ``A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and U.S. and foreign businessmen with close ties to Washington's political elite.''

The exposť centered on the role of one Craig Spence, a Republican powerbroker known for his lavish ``power cocktail'' parties. Spence was well connected. He celebrated Independence Day 1988 by conducting a midnight tour of the White House in the company of two teenage male prostitutes among others in his party.

Rumors circulated that a list existed of some 200 Washington prominents who had used the call boy service. The Number Two in charge of personnel affairs at the White House, who was responsible for filling all the top civil service posts in the federal bureaucracy, and Secretary of Labor Elizabeth Dole's chief of staff, were two individuals publicly identified as patrons of the call boy ring.

Two of the ring's call boys were allegedly KGB operatives, according to a retired general from the Defense Intelligence Agency interviewed by the press. But the evidence seemed to point to a CIA sexual blackmail operation, instead. Spence's entire mansion was covered with hidden microphones, two-way mirrors and video cameras, ever ready to capture the indiscretions of Washington's high, mighty and perverse. The political criteria for proper sexual comportment had long been established in Washington: Any kinkiness goes, so long as you don't get caught. The popular proverb was that the only way a politician could hurt his career was if he were ``caught with a dead woman or a live boy'' in his bed.

Months after the scandal had died down, and a few weeks before he allegedly committed suicide, Spence was asked who had given him the ``key'' to the White House. The Washington Times reported that ``Mr. Spence hinted the tours were arranged by `top level' persons, including Donald Gregg, national security advisor to Vice President Bush''1 and later U.S. ambassador to South Korea.

We have already had occasion to examine Don Gregg's role in Iran-Contra, and have observed his curious performance when testifying under oath before congressional committees. Gregg indignantly denied any connection to Spence, yet it is public record that Spence had sponsored a dinner in Gregg's honor in the spring of 1989 at Washington's posh Four Seasons Hotel in Georgetown.
George Bush was less than pleased with the media coverage of the prostitution charges and kept abreast of the scandal as it mushroomed. The Washington Times reported in an article titled ``White House Mute on Call Boy Scandal,'' that ``White House sources confirmed that President Bush has followed the story of the late night visit and Mr. Spence's links to a homosexual prostitution ring under investigation by federal authorities since they were disclosed June 29 in the Washington Times. But top officials will not discuss the story's substance, reportedly even among themselves.
``Press officers have rebuffed repeated requests to obtain Mr. Bush's reaction and decline to discuss investigations or fall out from the disclosures.''2 By midsummer, the scandal had been buried. The President had managed to avoid giving a single press conference where he would surely have been asked to comment.

As the call boy ring affair dominated the cocktail gossip circuit in Washington, another scandal, halfway across the country in the state of Nebraska, peaked. Again this scandal knocked on the President's door.
A black Republican who had been a leader in organizing minority support for the President's 1988 campaign and who proudly displayed a photo of himself and the President, arm in arm, in his Omaha home, was at the center of a sex and money scandal that continues to rock the Cornhusker state.
The scandal originated with the collapse of the minority-oriented Franklin Community Credit Union in Omaha, directed by Lawrence E. King, Jr., a nationally influential black Republican who sang the national anthem at both the 1984 and 1988 Republican conventions. King became the subject of the Nebraska Senate's investigation conducted by the specially created ``Franklin Committee'' to probe charges of embezzlement. In November 1988, King's offices were raided by the FBI and $40 million was discovered missing. Within weeks, the Nebraska Senate, which initially opened the inquiry to find out where the money had gone, instead found itself questioning young adults and teenagers who said that they had been child prostitutes. Social workers and state child-care administrators accused King of running a child prostitution ring. The charges grew with the former police chief of Omaha, the publisher of the state's largest daily newspaper, and several other political associates of King, finding themselves accused of patronizing the child prostitution ring.

King is now serving a 15-year federal prison sentence for defrauding the Omaha-based credit union. But the magazines Avvenimenti of Italy and Pronto of Spain, among others, have charged that King's crimes were more serious: that he ran a national child prostitution ring that serviced the political and business elite of both Republican and Democratic parties. Child victims of King's operations charged him with participation in at least one satanic ritual murder of a child several years ago. The Washington Post, New York Times, Village Voice and National Law Journal covered the full range of accusations after the story broke in November of 1988. King's money machinations were also linked to the Iran-Contra affair, and some say that King provided the CIA with information garnered from his alleged activities as a ``pimp'' for the high and mighty.

Pronto, the Barcelona-based, largest circulation weekly in Spain with 4.5 million readers, reported that the Lawrence E. King child prostitution scandal ``appears to directly implicate politicos of the state of Nebraska and Washington, D.C. who are very close to the White House and George Bush himself.''

The weekly stated that Roy Stephens, a private investigator who has worked on the case and heads the Missing Youth Foundation, ``says there is reason to believe that the CIA is directly implicated,'' and that the ``FBI refuses to help in the investigation and has sabotaged any efforts'' to get to the bottom of the story. Stephens says that ``Paul Bonnacci directly accused President Bush of being implicated'' in the affair when he testified before the Franklin Committee.3 Bonnacci, who had been one of the child prostitutes, is identified by leading child-abuse experts as a well-informed, credible witness.

Lawrence King was no stranger to President Bush. And Lawrence King was no stranger to Craig Spence. Several of the Omaha child prostitutes testified that they had traveled to Washington, D.C. with King in private planes to attend political events which were followed by sex parties. King and Spence had much in common. Not only were they both Republican Party activists but they had gone into business together procuring prostitutes for Washington's elite.

Bush's name had repeatedly surfaced in the Nebraska scandal. But his name was first put into print in July 1989, a little less than a month after the Washington call boy affair had first made headlines. Omaha's leading daily newspaper reported, ``One child, who has been under psychiatric care, is said to believe she saw George Bush at one of King's parties.''4
A full three years after the scandal had first made headlines, Bush's name again appeared in print. Gentleman's Quarterly (GQ) carried a lengthy article, viewed by many political observers in Nebraska as an attempt to refute the charges which would not die, despite the termination of all official inquiries. The GQ piece disputed the allegations as a conspiracy theory that went out of control and resonated because of some mystical sociological phenomena allegedly unique to Nebraskan rural folk who will believe anything and burn ``with the mistrust of city life that once inflamed the prairie with populist passion.'' Numerous polls over the last few years have recorded over 90% saying they believe there has been a ``cover up'' of the truth.

GQ reported that yes, there was theft, corruption and homosexuality in this story, ``but no children were ever involved in this case.'' In fact, ``the only child even mentioned was a 9-year-old boy, whom the least reliable of Caradori's witnesses claimed to have seen in the company of George Bush at one of Larry King's Washington parties.''

Gary Caradori was a retired state police investigator who had been hired by the Nebraska Senate to investigate the case, and who had died mysteriously during the course of his investigations.5

Sound crazy? Not to Steve Bowman, an Omaha businessman who is compiling a book about the Franklin money and sex scandal. ``We do have some credible witnesses who say that `Yes, George Bush does have a problem.'... Child abuse has become one of the epidemics of the 1990s,'' Bowman told GQ. Allegedly, one of Bowman's sources is a retired psychiatrist who worked for the CIA. He added that cocaine trafficking and political corruption were the other principal themes of his book.6

It didn't sound crazy to Peter Sawyer either. An Australian conservative activist who publishes a controversial newsletter, Inside News, with a circulation of 200,000, dedicated his November 1991 issue entirely to the Nebraska scandal, focusing on President Bush's links to the affair. In a section captioned, ``The Original Allegations: Bush First Named in 1985,'' Sawyer writes,

"Stories about child sex and pornography first became public knowledge in 1989, following the collapse of the Franklin Credit Union. That is not when the allegations started, however. Indeed, given the political flavor of the subsequent investigations, it would be easy to dismiss claims that George Bush had been involved. He was by then a very public figure...."
If the first allegations about a massive child exploitation ring, centered around Larry King and leading all the way to the White House, had been made in 1989, and had all come from the same source, some shenanigans and mischievous collusion could be suspected. However, the allegations arising out of the Franklin Credit Union collapse were not the first.

Way back in 1985, a young girl, Eulice (Lisa) Washington, was the center of an investigation by Andrea L. Carener, of the Nebraska Department of Social Services. The investigation was instigated because Lisa and her sister Tracey continually ran away from their foster parents, Jarrett and Barbara Webb. Initially reluctant to disclose information for fear of being further punished, the two girls eventually recounted a remarkable story, later backed up by other children who had been fostered out to the Webb's [sic].
These debriefings were conducted by Mrs. Julie Walters, another welfare officer, who worked for Boys Town at the time, and who had been called in because of the constant reference by the Webb children and others, to that institution.

Lisa, supported by her sister, detailed a massive child sex, homosexual, and pornography industry, run in Nebraska by Larry King. She described how she was regularly taken to Washington by plane, with other youths, to attend parties hosted by King and involving many prominent people, including businessmen and politicians. Lisa specifically named George Bush as being in attendance on at least two separate occasions. ``Remember, this was in 1985,'' emphasized the Australian newsletter.

The newsletter reproduces several documents on Lisa's case, including a Nebraska State Police report, a State of Nebraska Foster Care Review Board letter to the Attorney General, an investigative report prepared for the Franklin Committee of the Nebraska Senate, and a portion of the handwritten debriefing by Mrs. Julie Walters. Peter Sawyer says that he obtained the documents from sympathetic Australian law enforcement officers who had helped Australian Channel Ten produce an exposť of a national child prostitution ring Down Under. The Australian cops seem to have been in communication with American law enforcement officers who apparently agreed that there had been a cover-up on the Nebraska scandal. Subsequent investigations by the authors established that all four documents were authentic.

Mrs. Julie Walters, now a housewife in the Midwest, confirmed that in 1986 she had interviewed the alleged child prostitute, Lisa, who told her about Mr. Bush. Lisa and her sister Tracey were temporarily living at the time in the home of Kathleen Sorenson, another foster parent. Mrs. Walters explained that at first she was very surprised. But Lisa, who came from a very underprivileged background with no knowledge of political affairs, gave minute details of her attendance at political meetings around the country.
From Julie Walters' 50-page handwritten report:

3/25/86. Met with Kathleen [Sorenson] and Lisa for about 2 hours in Blair [Neb.] questioning Lisa for more details about sexual abuse.... Lisa admitted to being used as a prostitute by Larry King when she was on trips with his family. She started going on trips when she was in 10th grade. Besides herself and Larry there was also Mrs. King, their son, Prince, and 2-3 other couples. They traveled in Larry's private plane, Lisa said that at these trip parties, which Larry hosted, she sat naked ``looking pretty and innocent'' and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted (but penetration was not allowed) with her.... Lisa said she first met V.P. George Bush at the Republican Convention (that Larry King sang the national anthem at) and saw him again at a Washington, D.C. party that Larry hosted. At that party, Lisa saw no women (``make-up was perfect--you had to check their legs to make sure they weren't a woman'').

The polygraph test which Lisa took only centered around sexual abuse committed by Jarrett Webb. At that time, she had said only general things about Larry's trips (i.e. where they went, etc.). She only began talking about her involvement in prostitution during those trips on 3/25/86....
Lisa also accompanied Mr. and Mrs. King and Prince on trips to Chicago, N.Y. and Washington, D.C. beginning when she was 15 years old. She missed twenty-two days of school almost totally due to these trips. Lisa was taken along on the pretense of being Prince's babysitter. Last year she met V.P. George Bush and saw him again at one of the parties Larry gave while on a Washington, D.C. trip. At some of the parties there are just men (as was the case at the party George Bush attended)--older men and younger men in their early twenties. Lisa said she has seen sodomy committed at those parties....
At these parties, Lisa said every guest had a bodyguard and she saw some of the men wearing guns. All guests had to produce a card which was run through a machine to verify who the guest was, in fact, who they said they were. And then each guest was frisked down before entering the party.7
The details of the accusations against Mr. Bush are known to be in the hands of the FBI. A Franklin Committee report stated:

Apparently she [Lisa] was contacted on December 19 [1988] and voluntarily came to the FBI offices on December 30, 1988. She was interviewed by Brady, Tucker and Phillips.

She indicates that in September or October 1984, when [Lisa] Washington was fourteen or fifteen years of age, she went on a trip to Chicago with Larry King and fifteen to twenty boys from Omaha. She flew to Chicago on a private plane.

The plane was large and had rows of two seats apiece on either side of the interior middle aisle.

She indicates that King got the boys from Boys Town and the boys worked for him. She stated that Rod Evans and two other boys with the last name of Evans were on the plane. Could not recall the names of the other boys.
The boys who flew to Chicago with Washington and King were between the ages of fifteen and eighteen. Most of the boys were black but some were white.

She was shown a color photograph of a boy and identified that boy as being one of the boys on the plane. She could not recall his name.

She indicates that she was coerced to going on the trip by Barbara Webb.

She indicates that she attended a party in Chicago with King and the male youths. She indicated George Bush was present.

She indicates that she set [sic] at a table at the party while wearing nothing but a negligee. She stated that George Bush saw her on the table. She stated she saw George Bush pay King money, and that Bush left the party with a nineteen year old black boy named Brent. Lisa said the party George Bush attended was in Chicago in September or October 1984. According to the Chicago Tribune of October 31, 1984, Bush was in Illinois campaigning for congressional candidates at the end of October.

Lisa added more details on the Chicago trip, and told why she was sure it was George Bush she had seen. According to a May 8, 1989 report by investigator Jerry Lowe, ``Eulice [Lisa] indicated that she recognized George Bush as coming to the party and that Bush had two large white males with him. Eulice indicated Bush came to the party approximately 45 minutes after it started and that he was greeted by Larry King. Eulice indicated that she knew George Bush due to the fact that he had been in political campaigns and also she had observed a picture of Bush with Larry King at Larry King's house in Omaha.''

There is no question that Lisa and Tracey Webb were abused in the way they claimed. But, in keeping with the alleged pattern of cover-up, a Washington County, Nebraska judge in December 1990 dismissed all charges against their abusers, Jarrett and Barbara Webb. The judge ignored presented testimony of the 1986 report by Boys Town official Julie Walters. The report stated: ``Lisa was given four polygraph tests administered by a state trooper at the State Patrol office on Center Street in Omaha. The state trooper, after Lisa's testing was completed, told [another foster parent] he tried to `break Lisa down,' but he was convinced she was telling the truth.''8
Furthermore, numbers of foster care officials and youth workers debriefed the sisters. All of them fully believed not only their general story of abuse, but specifically their account of Bush's involvement. The March 1986 report on Bush was incorporated into the Foster Care Review Board's official report presented to the Senate Franklin Committee and to law enforcement. As Kathleen Sorenson wrote in a report dated May 1, 1989, ``This was long before he [Bush] was president. It seems like there were more exciting people to `lie' about if that's what they were doing.''9

The rumors about Mr. Bush were given new life when Dr. Ronald Roskens, the head of the Agency for International Development (AID), found himself the object of controversy. Executive Intelligence Review reported in the fall of 1991 that Dr. Roskens is the subject of a scandal in which he is being charged with violating federal laws and ethics codes, according to the Oct. 6 Washington Post. A report prepared by AID Inspector General Herbert Beckington, dated April 5 and leaked to the Post, charges Roskens with accepting thousands of dollars in payments from ``different organizations in compensation of his and his wife's travel expenses'' while Roskens was on official government travel. He also took money for a private trip from a company ``from which Roskens had agreed to divest himself as a condition of his presidential appointment.''

The inspector general concluded that the money accepted by Roskens was a clear conflict of interest and violated federal law against earning non-government income. But on Sept. 4, after reviewing the charges, the Department of Justice ... informed Beckington that it had decided not to prosecute--giving no explanation for its decision. The White House is reviewing the case.

Congressional investigators are already looking into the allegations. Should they scratch below the surface, they will find that this is not the first time Roskens has been touched by scandal. Although President Bush promised that he would not tolerate even the appearance of impropriety in his administration, Congress should not be surprised if the White House threatens to start ``breaking legs'' in Roskens's defense.
It is not just that Roskens is a personal friend of the President--although he is.... [A]n unimpeded investigation into Roskens could expose the link between Bush's little publicized birth control mania--much of which is carried out through the State Department's AID in the Third World--and the sexual depravity rampant in U.S. political and intelligence elites. Any such scandal could shatter the illusions of Bush's conservative base, many of whom still accept the President's claims to being ``pro-life,'' ``anti-drug,'' and an American patriot. It should also make anyone who thinks of the propaganda about Bush being the ``education President,'' deeply queasy.

Roskens left his home state of Nebraska for the nation's capital in early 1990 enmired in controversy. He had been fired suddenly as president of the University of Nebraska, in a secret meeting of the state Board of Regents in July 1989. No public explanation was given for his removal. Yet, within weeks, the White House offered Roskens the high-profile job in Washington. The administration knew about the controversy in Nebraska, but Roskens passed an FBI background check, and was confirmed to head AID.

The FBI appears to have overlooked a Feb. 19, 1990 investigative report by the late Gary Caradori [see footnote 5 below], an investigator for the ``Franklin Committee'' of the Nebraska Senate. He wrote, ``I was informed that Roskins [sic] was terminated by the state because of sexual activities reported to the Regents and verified by them. Mr. Roskins [sic] was reported to have had young men at his residence for sexual encounters. As part of the separation from the state, he had to move out of the state-owned house because of the liability to the state if some of his sexual behavior was `illegal.'''10

There has been no independent confirmation of the accusation. As of late December 1991, a congressional committee was looking into the charges.


1. Washington Times, Aug. 9, 1989.
2. Washington Times, July 7, 1989.
3. Pronto (Barcelona, Spain), Aug. 3, 1991 and Aug. 10, 1991.
4. Omaha World-Herald, July 23, 1989.
5. On July 11, 1990, during the course of his investigations, Gary Caradori, 41, died in the crash of his small plane, together with his 8-year-old son, after a mid-air explosion whose cause has not yet been discovered. A skilled and cautious pilot, Caradori told friends repeatedly in the weeks before his death that he feared his plane would be sabotaged.
6. Gentleman's Quarterly, December 1991.
7. Report, written on March 25, 1986 by Julie Walters and authenticated by her in an interview in 1990.
8. Report, early 1989, compiled by Jerry Lowe, the first investigator for the Franklin Committee of the Nebraska State Senate.
9. A book recently published on the Nebraska affair by a former Republican state senator and decorated Vietnam veteran, John W. De Camp, The Franklin Cover-Up: Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska (Lincoln, Nebraska: AWT, Inc., 1992) tells the whole story.
10. Executive Intelligence Review, Oct. 18, 1991.

Omaha is where Warren Buffett's investment vehicle Berkeshire Hathaway is headquartered as well, reputed by some as a CIA money laundering operation-- a serious blow to the blowhard statements about his "genius investor" status of his billions, if he's only a CIA front corporation for the drug trade.

related book/link: _Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder_ 05.Feb.2005 12:22


Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder
by David McGowan (Paperback - August 16, 2004)

Product Description:
The specter of the marauding serial killer has become a relatively common feature on the American landscape. Reactions to these modern-day monsters range from revulsion to morbid fascination--fascination that is either fed by, or a product of, the saturation coverage provided by print and broadcast media, along with a dizzying array of books, documentary films, websites, and "Movies of the Week".

The prevalence in Western culture of images of serial killers (and mass murderers) has created in the public mind a consensus view of what a serial killer is.

Most people are aware, to some degree, of the classic serial killer 'profile.'

But what if there is a much different 'profile'--one that has not received much media attention?

In Programmed to Kill, acclaimed and always controversial author David McGowan takes a fresh look at the lives of many of America's most notorious accused murderers, focusing on the largely hidden patterns that suggest that there may be more to the average serial killer story than meets the eye.

Think you know everything there is to know about serial killers? Or is it possible that sometimes what everyone 'knows' to be true isn't really true at all?


Stunning Expose , December 7, 2004
Reviewer: Steveddd "steveddd" (Miami Beach, FL USA) - See all my reviews

David McGowan bills the book on his website (The Center for an Informed America), as the book of the century. I nearly started to laugh, but Mr. McGowan may very well be correct in his `modest' assessment. The book is meticulously researched (nearly 500 references) and the authors' knowledge of occultism, elitism, psychology and Satanism combines for the most stunning exposes of governmental corruption and cover-up you will probably ever come across. It makes sense of things like the Franklin cover-up, Bohemian Grove, MK-Ultra, the Manson gang, Marc Dutroux and much, much more.

This book would be an instant #1 Best Seller if it were to get the exposure it deserves. Unfortunately, Programmed to Kill, will never be on the shelf of any of the big outlets and that is a crime in itself. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see this one go out of print in short order considering the implications and the indictment it is on the US and other governmental `crime fighting' agencies, their media outlets and the force driving it all.

The topic of serial killers had never really piqued my curiosity and I tended to shy away from the gruesomeness, not really wanting to hear the sad and morbid stories. I believed, rather naively, what the government and media had told me about the alleged perpetrators, but after reading Mr. McGowan's book, it seems that everything I thought I knew was for the most part, completely wrong.

I've been researching conspiracies for a few years, ever since the governmental fairy tale story about 9-11, but I was still not prepared for the revelations found here. Mr. McGowan appears to blow the lid off what I would categorize as the mother of all conspiracies. Its not a quick read, because it contains a heck of a lot of information in sort of a minimal number of pages. And yet the book goes into quite a bit of depth to cover the details necessary. I was reading about six different books when I started this one, but I didn't touch any of them until I finished this.

For an excellent analysis on the 9-11 Conspiracy see David McGowan's, "The Center for an Informed America" newsletters 67 through 69 and Darren Williams Pentagon video animation.

Eye opening, October 3, 2004
Reviewer: crimefan (Florida) - See all my reviews

I have not read this authors earlier books so I didn't really know what to expect when I ordered this book. Beginning with the very first chapter, I was shocked by what I found. It is very hard for me to believe that everything in this book is true, but Mr. McGowan ssems to have done his homework and his points are argued quite well, in most cases. Overall, this is a very well written book. Although I am a huge fan of true crime books, I have never read a book like this before. Even though I have some minor reservations, I am giving this book five stars and highly recommend it as a unique perspective on serial murder.

the red pill, January 12, 2005
Reviewer: rage against the dying of the light - See all my reviews

This book will explain a thing or two about why the world seems a very dark place at the moment. If you require further convincing of the pure heart of darkness, or if you thought you understood real politics this book is for you.

It is also a book for those who want the truth, and can take it. Who are willing to expose themselves to the real evils of this world, and hopefully be better equipped to deal with them?

But I digress, on the authours website  http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr65.html you can find some more information on the book.

Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder, by David McGowan
Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder, by David McGowan

"Bush's Wild Years": investigated as suspect in Satan cult mass murder, '80s 05.Feb.2005 12:32


Title: Bush & MKULTRA Satanic killer who Bush pardoned while Governor, BOTH in same cult in '80s
Author: repost
Date: 2005.01.22 03:42


Bush covers up likely MKULTRA issues. Plus, Bush himself has been associated with mass murder Satan cult rings at Brownsville, Texas. And this connects him to the very person he "pardoned" while governor of Texas--Henry Lee Lucas, for his ritualized killings and cannibalism. They both were associated with Brownsville, TX, cults.

Bush's Wild Years: in the 1980s, Bush and serial killer Henry Lee Lucas in TX Satan cult, George W. Bush investigated for six months for mass murder of 17 people who were skinned in the cult--until VP Poppy Bush told then to drop the case.

"Bush, telling reporters and critics to 'stick to the issues that matter', Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush declined to answer questions Monday concerning his alleged involvement in a 1984 Brownsville, TX, mass murder, in which 17 people were ritualistically murdered and skinned. 'I will not stoop to discussing that,' said Bush.... Bush, the son of a billioniare, was strangely living in the most impoverished place in America, Brownsville.
Bush was living nearby to and also inside the headquarters of a Satanic Cult of which he was a member.

Bush disappeared for three days during which ALL of the other of his fellow Cult Members were slaughtered.

After he reappeared he could not explain where he had been. ***The local prosecutor continued to pursue Bush, sole Cult survivor, on mass murder charges for six months thereafter, heavily pressured by Daddy Bush to stop the investigation.***


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