When did America become a country of whining, sniveling babies?

That's it! The enemy is us. We're irresponsible. Only a simple mind could conjure up such a simple solution to what really ails us. Thank you Francois for enlightening us.

"If a person wants to vote (regardless of race, creed, color, income status), then they should take a minute out of their day to register and it's on their onus to make sure they know where they're suppose to go vote."

"...they just aren't getting the attention because minorities aren't involved."

It seems you haven't been paying attention to reality.
Did you read up on what happened in Florida, AGAIN?

Voter disenfranchisement does not mean that people doesn't know where to vote.
Voter disenfranchisement is what happen when you are not allowed to enter
the place you are supposed to vote in.
Voter disenfranchisement is the word for the fraud that takes place when
the backers of one canditate tampers with the result so that your vote
no longer matters.

Better luck next time.

that whities dont travel far, dont wait in line and dont have malfunctioning machines when they push the repuglican lever. Its the blacks and latinos that have to wait in line in snow, have their machines swallow their votes or change them to repuglican or simply get knocked off the registration rolls by the satanic buck privates of the ruling elite. the jerk above is probably a pickup driving honky with w04 on his bumper - go to hell! We got your number and that of the other 60 million inferior human beings!

Francois begins where the state tells him to begin: the belief that the Constitution is a divine document from which our rights and all of our future promises spring forth. The Constitution was an attempt by primitive men to improve upon the world they lived in, one of monarchy. I doubt they ever believed that the Constitution they wrote would be the end of history. Now, after living more than two hundred years beneath it, we find that it does not even come close to recognizing the needs of modern humanity. We need MORE rights, MORE freedom and MORE self determination. We do not live in the late 1700's. Expecting us to be satisfied with what we have would be like our founding fathers finding satisfaction with some 14th century document.

That aside, the dictatorship we now live under does not pay any heed to the Constitution anyway. They have moved in the opposite direction, towards the past and found themselves a king. The only respectable thing to do is to overthrow the shithouse and start again.

Need i remind people that the king has the same intinals as our first king George Washington. George W. III is the return of our tradtional ways of kingdoms. The fall of the kings began here when our nation was born. So will it start here when the age of kings and surfs returns.

Did Washington and his boys have to deal with electronic voting that is not regulated and owned by republican goons, who use their money/muscle to intimidate the weak like bullies do? Apparently you haven't seen the exclusive PIMC video of the NSA programmer who said at a rally, "I can keep my finger on the button, like a butcher holds down the scale".

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305836.shtml

I did call one of the political factions to find out where polling was, you know why? because somehow...I received messages on my answering machine telling me to go somewhere else. Who did it? Should I call a lawyer or homeland security? Was it the boogeyman, al-qaeda, or republicans? I'll tell you what, Bush's new england campaign manager from NH also got busted for these type of dirty tricks back in Oct/04' for the crap he pulled in 2002. Do you know what a precedent is?

All those people that stood for hours...they knew where the polling place was, duh...they were standing there, how do you discredit them? It's their own fault if they left without voting huh?

How do you explain more votes then voters? Maybe if Americans weren't so gullible, they might take the responsibility to count the votes by hand...as our forefathers did. But then they would be called whiners for not trusting a system that has no way of verifying(did you know Diebold also got busted in CA for millions because of the security flaws in their software?). Furthermore, the "machines" that we trust so much...Blackwell has decided not to use them in his campaign for governor in Ohio. You have to be an imbecile to swallow this one whole, fortunately we have many of those here, so please don't send us anymore.

I only see one whiner here. One who can't accept or is uninformed about American voting, which has become the joke of the world...would you believe RFK's son when he says, "the republican party is 95% corrupt, the democratic party is 75% corrupt"...or is he just another whiner who didn't take responsibility? lol

You wouldn't happen to be part of Chirac's conservative movement that was met by over 200,000 protestors recently would you Francois? Either way it doesn't matter, if you lived here...you would realize that America has always been a country of sniveling babies. That's why we drop bombs from far away, that's why we spend more money on the military industrial complex then anyone in the world...so we can have long distance wars without getting our hands dirty. That's why we dishonor our dead and hide them from the cameras, because of all the sniveling babies that would get upset to see it. That's why we lie to our mothers and fathers to get them to feel guilty if they don't send their kids to war, calling the parents sniveling babies usually works. Your just realizing it now?

When did people start waking up to the fact that America isn't what you see in disney movies?

Oh and by the way, since you like to talk about Washington and his boys...know that the original constitution only gave white men over 21 the right to vote. It took a civil war and over a hundred years for blacks and women to get the right to vote. Then it wasn't untill the 70's that our leaders decided that if we can draft a guy to die for his country...then maybe, we should give them the right to vote. What a concept.

Maybe all those guys that went to vietnam, who died there, and did not have the right to vote at the time, were just phuqin whiners too. Women? Another group of whiners. Blacks? Yup, the biggest whiners. Get this through your thick head, Americans have no real voting rights, it's an illusion to control the masses...and it's working well. How much attention did the corrupt US fascist media spend on Scott Peterson, OJ, Lewinsky and her note taking under the desk?...how much time was spent on the 50,000 complaints and hearings that took place on voter FRAUD, not disenfranchisement? How much time is spent telling us about Iraq daily...we're lucky if we even see anything...never mind the truth.

Thanks for stopping by. We are not cheerleaders here, we don't apologize for liars and corrupt politicians. Don't misconstrue calling out our "leaders" as whining. They're the ones hiding in glass houses, they're too scared to even debate third parties because they know they would lose, that's why they control the debates. They know it, we know it, and the world knows it. We'll live with it and if the whining is bothering you...stop listening to yourself. Waaaaaahhhh, your all whiners....whaaahh, you all need to take responsibility...waaaaaah, your all liberals, waaahhhh, dubsy did win....waaaaaaahhhh, liberals un-american...waaaaahhhh...had enough?

LMAO...change the channel pookie.

When did America become a country of whining, sniveling babies?"
author: Francois"



It's taken a lot of social engineering, Francois. For more on that:

Skull and Bones
 http://www.hierarchypedia.com/~hierarch/wiki/index.php/Skull_and_Bones

That no matter how rich and powerful the nation becomes. . it's still going to be a shit hole.

"Try calling voter fraud on the Republicans and I guarantee you that some Democrat somewhere else is doing the exact same thing, they just aren't getting the attention because minorities aren't involved."

Wow, i've never seen it that way before. So...the democrats are evil too, huh? Shocking... And when the democrats commit election fraud and win, I'll be out there protesting them as well. It's just the republicans turn this time. Also, if you'll notice, the polling location isn't the only scandal. That's an incredibly minor one. The person who owns Diebold actually said "I'm going to do whatever it takes to get Bush re-elected". Exact fucking quote. Google it. He was also one of the leading republican donors. Worth investigating? Worth protesting? I say yes.

I couldn't agree more. Francois try checking out your EU voting machines, made by the same syndicates. Ha-Ha, whiner.

First of all, I am not "Anarch," but someone completely different.

Second, federal law does prohibit irregularity in the voting process based on racial demographics. This election was a clear violation of that law. Second, the Supreme Court in 2000 never had the right under the Constitution to put a stop to a recount and effectively declare Bush the winner. Those matters are explicity delegated to the states.

Third, the fundamental theme and spirit of the Constitution of the United States and the Declaration of Independence are as relevant today as they were in 1776. That is that all men are created equal in the eyes of God. In other words, we are born with equal importance in society, and no matter how well connected, privileged from birth, or physically advantaged you are, the law affords you no more deference than another member of society. The same burdens of proof for criminal punishment by the state apply. This philosophy allowed for the expansion of civil rights under the Consitutional framework. No other nation or union of nations has ever put that kind of verbage into its Constitution and surrendered the power of the state, ultimately, to the power of the individual.

That is what is really worth fighting for and the war is here in America, not Iraq. It's just being kept a clandestine war through control of the media and political intimidation.

When Europe started reproducing here.

"Whining" in modern America has been defined as anybody who points out a societal shortcoming and advocates fixing it.

The "love it or leave it" attitude is NOT what patriotism was originally about. True, in many countries patriotism implies respect toward the nation-state. But here in America, it means something different. We have traditionally had an attitude of righting social wrongs and speaking out about injustice, the very actions defended by the Constitution. So American patriotism, much more so than any other nation's definition of the P-word, means a love of ideals, not the love of an establishment.

Unfortunately, too often people latch on to the nationalistic definition of patriotism, and with it all its forces of abuse and tyranny. To criticize a nation's political actions has always been a crucial element of the "American way," from the original Revolution through abolition, womens' suffrage, workers' rights, civil rights and now opposition to unjust war. Dissent is patriotic, and, quite frankly, WHINING IS GOOD!

I agree that people who complain about society's problems and then don't vote are kind of hypocritical, which is why I support voting drives whenever possible. It's better to vote for a "spoiler" candidate than not vote at all. But sometimes you just have to stand up and admit that your country is on the wrong track, and people's action is necessary to get it straightened out again.

Francois's first sentence is simply inaccurate and untrue.

This exemplifies the ignorance of the source of the rest of his words. And ignorance just does not make up for any incidents of declarations about victims: abusing others, being oppressed, identifying oneself as an object of victimization, or chiding others for their exaggerated, imagined, or real role as victim. As blissful as ignorance may be, denouncing victimhood doesn't replace compassion or effectiveness: no matter how broad or deep one's ignorance.

There are articles of the constitution that guarantee such rights as "equal protection" and treatment under the law. But there is no "right to vote", prescribed "democracy", nor guarantee of a "republic".

If Francois had followed the recent election controversies (not just mainstream dismissal of them), he should know that the African-American members of Congress taking the lead on this issue are calling for a constitutional amendment to correct this failing.

On the other hand, given that we are supposed to live in a democratic system of government, we are responsible for being ever-vigilant to preserve and nurture those rights and freedoms. Therefore, we ARE responsible for the current situation: an undemocratic government that does not even provide equal access to the voting booth. WE must place voting guarantees into the constitution. And WE must wait no longer as the Republicans and Democrats quietly refuse to pass election protections or even acknowledge the need for them. WE must demand and enact legislation to create and assure honest, fair elections.

One valid statement of Francois is, "Take responsibility people!" (It's a shame that those who utter that phrase nowadays seem to learn it by rote. Like Francois, those who use the word "responsibility" generally combine it with a demonstration - not of the word - but of their ignorance of firsthand experience of its meaning!)

Very Well Said!!!! When American's really want something they find the way - but when they don't they blame everyone for their problems. Minorities have no problems finding their way to the freebies (welfare, wic, charities), but when it comes time to do the responsible thing, they can't find the information. I am sick and tired of the lazy ass American's that want to blame everyone else for their troubles. Wake up and help yourself and your country you bunch of losers!!