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what confirmation can establish that Tsunami was not a natural disaster?

news reporters privy to a 1997 briefing may recall the following statement by former senator cohen:"
There are some reports...that others are engaging in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."
the patents DESCRIBED below are not reported by the mainstream press so it is proboble that it will come as a surprise.
the scientific patent had been controlled by ARCO power technologies Incorporated (apti) a subsuduary of 'atlantic richfield company', one of the largest oil companies in the world.
'apti' built the HAARP facility.
'arco' sold this subsidiary, the patent and the second phase construction contract to E-systems in june 1994.
their invention provides the ability to put unprecedented amounts of power in the earth's atmosphere at strategic locations and to maintain the power injetion level particularly if random Pulsing is EMPloyed, in a manner far more precise and better controlled than heretofore accomplished by the prior art, particularly by detonation of nuclear devices of various yields at various altitudes while weather modification is possible by,for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patters by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device.
since the technique is beyond grasp does not mean that it's fiction.
a clinton appointee flatly pronounced that this is not fiction, so are we going to believe the denials

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The Indoniesian Mulah says its gods work. 21.Jan.2005 21:18

who fucking knows...

I just heard on the BBC that a supporter of Osama Bin Laden says that the Earthquake and Tsunami is
a message from god to a corrupt nation.

Hummmm.....

I remember a Magnitude 8 or so earthquake a week earlier in Antartica. (you can look it up if you like). It made the news for about two hours or so.

These things come in groups. (at least they seem to)

Earth's shifting crust.

Well, for starters 21.Jan.2005 23:07

Skeptic

You could stop claiming that an equivocal statement "there are reports that..." by a politician who has no expert qualifications in science amounts to a "flat declaration" that your beliefs are true. Not only is this the classic error of the argument from inappropriate authority, it isn't even a clear endorsement.

Second, you could approach your inquiry as a question of figuring out what happened, instead of indulging in the a priori rejection of any naturalistic explanation and insisting that your preconceptions be validated. That's the kind of thinking that gets innocent people railroaded into jail- in other words, it's pig logic.

Third, you could start by analyzing the available data, such as seismic recordings from a variety of locations, the arrival times of the wave at various locations, etc., to see if they're congruent with what you should expect to see for the different hypotheses you're testing. The trouble with that is that in order to make defensible predictions about what different scenarios should produce, you'll need to acquire an in-depth understanding of several different scientific disciplines- the work of many years.

There are people who make a lifework of studying these aspects of the Earth we live on, and they're spread around the globe. Before making the customary claims that the entire world of science is a tool of the eevil eevil US gummint, it might be well to recall that the earliest known seismic indicating device was invented in China, that the countries of the Pacific Rim in particular have long had a strong incentive to study the causes, nature and behavior of earthquakes and their consequences, that there is world-class knowledge available outside the USA and that the biggest problem with scientists is not to get them to talk- it's getting them to shut up when they've got something new to talk about.

In other words, you could wait and see if anyone WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT claims to have found a significant anomaly which supports a hypothesis different from the consensus explanation and supports the claim with evidence.

Based on previous experience with PCTs, I'll predict that a) I might as well talk to the winds that far around with fragments strewed the sea, and b) every PCT True Believer who hangs around Portland Indymedia will pile on with flames.

come on there, we all know that 21.Jan.2005 23:14

Osima Bin Laden

is a Al-CIAada "creation" and that's just what they want USa out here to think...it relieves
them of the responsiblity and accountablity "if" they can get God or god to take all of it for
them. WE THE PEOPLE need to wake up and smell the coffee on this one, don't ya think?

what confirmation? 22.Jan.2005 00:07

more than i've seen here

which generally seems to be (at best) semi-coherent rants by folks who a) obviously don't know much about basic science, and b) respond to doubting with name-calling and attacks ("government troll", etc.).

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

extaordinary science by an extraordinary genius... 22.Jan.2005 01:19

b.villain

the HAARP project was scheduled to come completely on-line in June of this past year. the design was modeled on a concept created by none other than Nikola Tesla. the man was the mad genius who created a series of coils which had the ability to modify and warp magnetic fields, thus latering the arrangement to molecules in that local area...making anumber of surreal effects possible. the concept of the HAARP model was to bring this coil technology to a scale by which it would be able to affect the ionisphere, and thusly the weather, magnetic activity and electrical fields of areas around the globe.
this sounds mad. and it is. nikola tesla was often labeled mad by his peers, but he contiually prooved them wrong by fulfilling the designs he made. the HAAPR project is no exception. it has been built through joint funding by several multi-national corporations, thinktanks, and the grand old US government. it has a public mission of monitoring the ionisphere to learn more about how it affects the weather and climate, but it has been obvious since its inception that its main use is military.
it has the conceptual ability to focus eletrical activity in diffused charges at a local area (say the size of a town), which tesla mused could incite frenzy and hysteria. it also has the possibility of focussing those charges deep in the ocean to create currents, or in the bedrock to create seizmic activity, like we have seen alot lately. really scarey shit.
this sounds fanatical, i know, but you can read about it from lots of credible university professors. look it up. and remember just how fantastical nuclear energy/explosions sounded before there were shown to be a truly heinous weapon. and it was decades before we found out conclusively that our own government was testing them on innocent citizens (whose really innocent anyway?) without any knowledge(yeah right) of the dangers they posed.
tesla was not a malice man. he had valid uses for all of his designs, but much like other geniuses, there are always those who will take advantage of any opportunity to solidify power in the hands of few.


confirmations = seismographic "pulsing", and/or missing p-wave 22.Jan.2005 05:23

seen it before

fake earthquakes are missing a p-wave, or have evidene of seismographic pulsing, and third, occur in areas where earthquakes are never seen.

Should be enough criteria to work with!

see these:

Title: HAARP-watch: fake HAARP tremors rock earth deep beneath San Andreas Fault
Author: haarp-watch, Michel Chossudovsky
Date: 2004.12.11 07:02
Description: Mysterious tremors deep beneath the San Andreas Fault near the quake-prone town of Parkfield are shaking the earth's brittle crust, FAR BELOW THE REGION WHERE EARTHQUAKES NORMALLY STRIKE -- and scientists say THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING or what the motions mean. Seismic researchers are monitoring the strange vibrations..."..."We see this kind of tremor activity inside volcanoes like Mount St. Helens," Nadeau said, "but that's due to the movement of rising magma, and in the tremors we've recorded there's NO EVIDENCE OF VOLCANISM and NO SEISMIC WAVES TYPICAL OF ORDINARY EARTHQUAKES." "In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions."
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305741.shtml

and

Title: Days before "Boxing Day" Aceh megaquake/tsunami, Antartica got an 8.2 megaquake
Author: the hmm department
Date: 2005.01.12 12:00
Description: A MASSIVE earthquake measuring 8.2 on the Richter scale struck the largely uninhabited area around Macquarie Island in Antarctica, French seismological officials said. The Macquarie archipelago, an Australian territory some 1500km south-east of Tasmania, is the only island group in the world composed entirely of oceanic crust and rocks from the mantle - deep below the earth's surface - according to the website of the Australian Government's environment ministry.
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307881.shtml

more confirmation if you watch this 22.Jan.2005 05:31

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Fourth, the point about how this technology can be used to find particular underground sites to "tickle" is very valuable. Plus, then the same technology, after finding it, can pump up the watts and then cause plates to dislocate.

Title: VIDEO: "HAARP: Holes in Heaven", 51 minute documentary: download, watch, distribute
Author: repost
Date: 2005.01.20 09:29
Description: for those who don't believe it until they 'see it "verified" on video,' or for those who just want more sources, here's a 51 minute documentary on HAARP, called "HAARP: Holes in Heaven" Annoy your unelected presidents, congressmen, and corrupt EPA bureaucracies by sending them this information. At least let them know that "you know" more and more about their cover-ups of criminal state activities that are endangering the planet and everything on it. It features the authors who wrote the HAARP expose book _Angels Don't Play this HAARP: Advances in Tesla Technology_, and interviews biologists, ecologists, etc, and HAARP technologists directly associated with the project and its patents.


Fifth, HAARP's electromagnetic pulse, according to the U.S. Department of Defense itself made "obsolescent" the electromagnetic pulse of nuclear weapons by the late 1980s. Powerful stuff people. That is mentioned in this article:  http://www.haarp.net/

Sixth, the U.S. military says that artificial earthquake technology already existed for at least a decade or more:

SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN:

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,. . .the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range."


What more fu*king proof do you require, sheep?

Rumors and then again 22.Jan.2005 07:59

a litte birdie

Russia has filed a complaint with the UN, accusing the US government of treaty violations concerning the tsunami in Indonesia. Say what? You didn't know there was a treaty that the major world powers were signatory to? The media didn't tell you about the treaty signed at the UN in the eighties forbidding the use of weather warfare against civilian populations because this information is not in the public domain. But recently a diligent and clever journalist have ferreted out this truth and obtained the certified documents. More on this later.....As for the goings on in Antartica check out the evacuation going on there, wonder what they are preparing for?

U.S.-Israel-India Nuclear Testing 22.Jan.2005 12:20

Angry, Paranoid and Childishish Liberal Idiot

U.S.-Israel-India Nuclear Testing May have Caused Asian Tsunami; The Goal: Testing how to Liquidate Humanity

The Egyptian nationalist weekly Al-Usbu' has published an investigation by correspondent Mahmoud Bakri, titled "Humanity in Danger," claiming that the earthquake and tsunami in Asia may have resulted from joint nuclear testing by the U.S., Israel, and India. The following are excerpts from the article:

"Was [the earthquake] caused by American, Israeli, and Indian nuclear testing on 'the day of horror?' Why did the 'Ring of Fire' explode?"

"... According to researchers' estimates, there are two possible [explanations] for what happened. The first is a natural, divine move, because the region is in the 'Ring of Fire,' a region subject to this destructive type of earthquakes."

"The second possibility is that it was some kind of human intervention that destabilized the tectonic plates, an intervention that is caused only in nuclear experiments and explosions. What strengthens this direction [of thought] are the tectonic plates [under] Indian soil [sic], since in the recent few months, India conducted over seven nuclear tests to strengthen its nuclear program against the Pakistani [nuclear program]."

"[Various] reports have proven that the tectonic plates in India and Australia collided with the tectonic plates of Europe and Asia. [It has also been proven] that India recently obtained high[-level] nuclear technology, and a number of Israeli nuclear experts and several American research centers were [involved in preparing this]."

"The three most recent tests appeared to be genuine American and Israeli preparations to act together with India to test a way to liquidate humanity. In the[ir] most recent test, they began destroying entire cities over extensive areas. Although the nuclear explosions were carried out in desert lands, tens of thousands of kilometers away from populated areas, they had a direct effect on these areas."

"Since 1992, many research [institutes] monitoring earthquakes across the world, such as the International Center for the [Study] of Earthquakes [sic] in Britain and in Turkey and other countries, [indicated] the importance of no nuclear testing in the 'Ring of Fire,' where the most recent earthquake struck, because this region is thought to be one of the most geologically active regions over millions of years. Thus, the international centers have always classified it as one of the most dangerous regions [and] likely to shift at any given moment, even without human interference."

"But the scientific reports stated that there had been nuclear activity in this region - particularly after America's recent decision to rely largely on the Australian desert - part of which is inside the 'Ring of Fire' - for its secret nuclear testing."

"Similarly, many international reports spoke of joint Indian-Israeli nuclear activity. Moreover, only this year Arab and Islamic countries intervened more than three times in the U.S. to stop this joint nuclear activity."

"Nevertheless, although so far it has not been proven that secret Indian-Israeli nuclear testing is what caused the destructive earthquake, there is evidence that the recent nuclear tests, the exchange of nuclear experts between India and Israel, and the American pressure on Pakistan regarding its nuclear cooperation with Asian and Islamic countries [by providing India with advanced nuclear technology in an attempt to stop Pakistani activity] - all these pose a big question mark regarding the causes of the severe earthquake in Asia."

"Scientific studies prove that there is increasing nuclear activity under the waters of the oceans and seas ... and that America is the first country in the world responsible for this activity. This raises an enormous question mark... What is puzzling is that all the previous earthquakes did not cause such great destruction [as this one], particularly [in light of the fact that] the earthquake's center was some 40 kilometers under the seabed of the Indian Ocean."

"One of the American researchers, Merrills Kinsey, (5) pointed out an important fact in the scientific report that he prepared after the last disaster, which is that the center of an earthquake that took place some 40 kilometers under the ocean floor could not have caused such destruction unless nuclear testing had been conducted close to the tectonic plates in these countries, or unless several days previously there had been [nuclear] activity that caused these plates to shift and collide - which constitutes a danger to all humanity, not only to the inhabitants of these countries..."

to "a little birdie" 22.Jan.2005 12:33

me

Fly back, land on my shoulder, and tell me all about it. ;-)

With Hindsight 24.Jan.2005 04:59

Jakarta Watch

Given the overwhelming devastation that the tsunami brought to Aceh Province on the northern tip of Sumatra - > greater than 170,000 now believed dead there - and the continuing struggle of the Acehnese Freedom Fighters (GAM) against the central government in Jakarta, it's surprising that no one has pointed the man-made finger of blame for it at the new Indonesian government headed by Susilo Yudhoyono. There is no question that GAM has suffered greatly from the disaster, along with the rest of the population in Aceh. TNI, the Indonesian Army, has already reported killing over 200 "rebels," accusing them of disrupting the relief effort and commandeering supplies fro their own use.

I don't believe for one moment, however, that the Indonesian government or the U.S. government, for that matter, was the "culprit" behind the tsunami, (please future HAARP-posters to this thread, no more links to "THE PROOF" - the science contained therein is unrelated to seismic phenomena, despite claims that include allusions to Tesla's Coil and arcane assertions about the presumed capability of generating powerful harmonic forces within the earth.) but it is quite apparent that both of them are now making the most of the natural disaster to foster their political aims.

exercise your power to think 24.Jan.2005 05:30

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"I don't believe for one moment, however, that the Indonesian government or the U.S. government, for that matter, was the "culprit" behind the tsunami,"


that's because you don't know how to think. Instead, you've started with your conclusion and then you have worked backwards, trimming evidence to fit. Instead, thinking requires exploratory reserach before you decide. No one can make conclusions without evidence. And there is a lot of information that leads to the HAARP intentionally. There are six examples of HAARP evidence above you find yourself forced to ignore to come up with that closed-minded statement.

After those six, how about one more: Seventh point, though it is indirect to HAARP, you ignore the whole standdown issue which was crucial to making the earthquake damage "work." Selective warinings being issued is gross negligence and criminal behavior and a sign that damage caused in certain areas was seen as INTENTIONALLY CAUSED, whether HAARP or otherwise. And the evidence above and below here leads to it to being HAARP.

As you say yourself, you are unwilling to look at evidence. So this is for everyone else.


Title: a GLOBAL STANDDOWN! in earthquake warning revealed: intentional deaths, for what purpose?
Author: HAARP watch
Date: 2005.01.03 12:42
Description: Machiavelli lives. Based on the analysis of the time sequence in which these Governments received information and failed or decided not to act is alarming. --- Indian Military, for example, clearly got the information two hours before the Tsunami hit the India's mainland. An Indian Air Force base was wiped out in Andaman Nicobar island near Sumatra [how convenient, assures U.S. is the "first eco-terrorism responder"]. . .India is notified of loss of its military base TWO HOURS BEFORE tsunami hit mainland India. However, though Indian Military tried to inform the civilian pro-Bush government of India, it did nothing with this two-hour foreknowledge and instead simply waited for the tsunami to stike India without issuing any warnings to its citizens. Thus, many Indians are killed INTENTIONALLY due to purposeful criminal negligence. --- How do you justify that all six Governments failed separately in their own domain one by one. --- The most amazing thing is that United States Geological Survey and Ocean Monitoring agencies came to know about the Tsunhe Tsunami and earthquake but decided not to do anything. --- The whole world decided to fail to do anything together, at the same time. --- In Thailand, some in the Government said they decided not to act because it would just scare people. Really? Are we not supposed to get scared of scary things? U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN SAID, ON AN "ECO-TYPE OF TERRORISM": "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." (1997 QUOTE)

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307249.shtml


Title: NAZI BUSH REGIME's ENVIRO/HAARP-REICHSTAG FIRE: seize Aceh oil militarily as "rescue"
Author: various
Date: 2004.12.30 12:23
Description: Why has a senior commander involved in the invasion of Iraq been assigned to lead the US emergency relief program? "Lieutenant General Blackman was previously Chief of Staff...leading the Marines into Baghdad..." US Foreknowledge and Selective Warnings. Similar to 9-11, the automatic warning system STANDS DOWN to allow a terrorist act occur, hypothetically using the HAARP technology, to justify upcoming militarization of the area with US troops in an area rich with oil. Whether HAARP or otherwise, the associated issue would be the standdown of the automatic earthquake warning system among its subscribing member nations. This is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE--U.S. ONLY WARNS AUSTRALIA AND INDONESIA--LEFT OTHERS IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL REICHSTAG FIRE TO DIE FOR POLITIAL GAIN, and then invaded oil rich Aceh with over 2000 U.S. Marines and two aircraft carriers with armed helicopters. No one tells the member countries about the "earthquake". However, the US DOES WARN its military base in the aera. And from this military base, part of the invasion of Aceh is proceeding with TWO AIRCRAFT CARRIERS and led by the U.S.'s pre-emptive invasion of Iraq leadership. "In a bitter irony, part of this operation is being coordinated out of America's Naval base in Diego Garcia. The US warns its naval base, though fails to warn Indian Ocean rim governments. "...the strike group, with its seven ships, 2,100 Marines and 1,400 sailors aboard, also has four Cobra helicopters..." The oil rich Aceh area, which like Iraq, was suffering from a civil war making oil extraction difficult. THE AMERICAN NAZI ANSCHLUSS MOVES OUT FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN--INTO ACEH: AnĚschluss: A political union, especially the one unifying Nazi Germany and Austria in 1938.  http://dictionary.reference.com/search...

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/307042.shtml

what the 'locals' are saying; & animal behavior after Boxing day quake 24.Jan.2005 06:56

repost

UFO Sighting and Strange Signals reported again in Indian Ocean - sub tectonic experiment?
Staff Reporter
January 24, 2005

People are again reporting heavy UFO sighting in Nicobar Island, Andaman, India, Maldives, and Sri Lanka coastal areas.

The animals in these areas are again showing strange behavior.

The fishermen and their families this time are taking these signs seriously and are refusing to move near the ocean.

The tribal people of Andaman Nicobar Island have again moved to the high grounds.

The sea birds are also showing strange signals.

The UFO sightings happen at night with strange lights. [Light flashes part of HAARP.] The continuation of tremors of 6 or less Richter scale seems never ending. [take that one or leave it.] The ships traveling between India's mainland and the Andaman-Nocobar Island as well commercial fishermen in Indian Ocean are reporting strange signals as well as jamming of their radio channels. [now THAT IS interesting.]

According to some experts, these are signs of possible experimentation with tectonic plates by some entity. People in Nicobar island complaints something is going on under the ocean - deep underground - a few miles below the water surface. [NICOBAR ISLAND.]

The pattern of aftershocks is also strange.

Normally on plotting the same they show a gradual decrease in the moving average of Richter scale reported. This time no pattern can be found. After one large aftershock, a considerable time lapses before the next one. It seems someone is controlling the after shocks and making sure plates are not over stressed. Andaman and Nicobar islands has experienced 121 aftershocks between 5.2 and 6.2 Richter scale.

The Geologists in India are closely tracking these aftershocks and cannot find a pattern. [without more knowledge of why they thought this curious, it is hard to say.]

The only pattern that can be found is a large lapse after a considerable aftershock.

A sailor in the Shipping Authority of India Limited who also sailed in transatlantic shipping routes says, this aprt of Indian ocean resembles now Bermuda triangle region.

In Burmuda triangle ocean manifest strange behavior and ships as well as aircrafts vanish.

But there is a difference. Here the disturbance seems to be coming from the tectonic plate levels.

One explanation can be some entity doing underground research with moving plates. It is known that some countries have research projects on creating artificial earthquakes. The other possibility is bizarre. Many in Indian coastal areas now believe that the UFO sighting before the Tsunami had something to do with the Tsunami.

This time they believe the extra-terrestrials are doing something out there deep under the ocean. There are UFO researchers all around the world that believe in UFO underground bases. These bases are mostly suspected in areas where one tectonic plate goes on top of another plate. This provides a thicker crust of earth to build bases that needs miles of deep crust of earth.

What is really strange is that during low tide or any time when recedes leaving a wider beach area, the sea birds have a feast on the fishes left in the beach. But these days the sea birds actually fly inland when this is happening. [would require more documentation.]

The number of wild animals in the coastal areas also has diminished. [they might have been killed as well.] Why are animals not coming back to the ocean coastal areas? Are they sensing possibility of another Tsunami? [possibly, still registering 'danger' period.]

Experimentation or construction deep under the tectonic plates can cause mega earthquakes. Some have blamed deep drilling in the Indian ocean in the same are for oil and Gas exploration by India, Bangladesh and Mayanmar.

But these drillings are not that deep that can cause mega earthquakes.

 http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-24-05.asp

Now I See The Light 24.Jan.2005 06:57

Jakarta Watch

"."

How could I have overlooked the "Stand down" evidence? It makes all of the difference in the world. But, I'm still not clear about the specifics of the dastard "Black Operation" - let's call it Operation Waves of Mass Destruction ("OWMD") that has already killed over 230,000 innocent people. Please explain who initiated OWMD, what was its purpose, who carried it out, how was it carried out, and why every seismologist on planet earth went along with the charade.

We know there was no tsunami early warning system in the Indian Ocean from which the affected nations' governments could stand down, but that is a minor detail that can easily be explained away by "apparently" feckless officials who didn't want to cause an unnecessary panic. "Boy, were we wrong not to act through our nonexistent early warning systems to warn the people and get them to high ground -wink, wink."

"." - We await the light your clear thinking will shed with baited breath (wink, wink).

tsunami warning system = red herring; standdown was earthquake warning 24.Jan.2005 07:40

related

If you spent more time reading instead of mouthing off, you would learn more.

"We know there was no tsunami early warning system in the Indian Ocean..."

The standdown came from the U.S.'s earthquake warning system, mentioned in the above links for those who want to know. For those that don't, we'll keep posting making yourself look silly.

Finally Light or Hoist by Your Own Petard? 24.Jan.2005 09:14

Jakarta Watch

Okay, "Related," since you seem to know all about this subject, answer the questions I put to "." And, if you can't be specific and merely post more links to drivel with just as many generalizations and paranoid theorizing, don't bother. I can hardly wait to get the full dope on this thing. But, assuming you are the real deal, why haven't you called a press conference to reveal this specific information to the world?

welcome to the press conference 29.Jan.2005 09:18

related

This is my press conference. Any real quesions out there? Trolls posts over and over don't stand up in court you know...

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