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Iraqi Insurgents Responsible for Fewer "Collateral" Casualties than American Forces

In a much publicized article in The Atlantic Monthly, William Langewiesche wrote: "For the most part, . . . the insurgents' attacks are less nihilistic than they are logical and precisely focused, whether against the American coalition and its camp followers or their Iraqi agents and collaborators. The truth is that however vicious or even sadistic the insurgents may be, they are acutely aware of their popular base, and are responsible for fewer unintentional 'collateral' casualties than are the clumsy and overarmed American forces" ("Letter from Baghdad," January/February 2005).
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Unintentional Collateral Damage 15.Jan.2005 08:28

just a thought

...I see. So, when the insurgents blew up scores of children eating candy at the opening of a new water/sewage facility a few months ago they must have intended to do exactly so. How civilised of them. I suppose they are to be commended.

re: just a thought 15.Jan.2005 09:05

anon

>>So, when the insurgents blew up scores of children eating candy at the opening of a new water/sewage facility a few months ago they must have intended to do exactly so.

In the summary posted here there are only two sentances. Re-read the second one:
"insurgents ... are responsible for fewer unintentional 'collateral' casualties than are the clumsy and overarmed American forces"

It doesn't say "insurgents never cause 'collateral' casualties". It says they don't cause as many 'collateral' casualities as the Americans. That means for every one innocent Iraqi killed by the Resistance, there are 1+ innocents killed by Americans. That makes sense to me considering how often I read about the U.S. troops killing people - bombing the wrong houses (or the red cross a few times on accident), shooting confused and scared families trying to drive through checkpoints, not to mention the hundreds or thousands killed indirectly when the U.S. blew up power, bridges, water filtration sites and other critical infrastructure in Gulf War I (actually those deaths don't count as 'collateral' since they were probably intended).

U.S. Losses In Iraq 15.Jan.2005 10:39

twospiritwarrior

Photos Hidden By The Empire's Royal Media.
 http://www.rense.com/general61/loses.htm

U.S. C-130 Shot Down By Missile
 http://www.rense.com/general61/ucs.htm

oh the futility 16.Jan.2005 22:12

god damned fascist propaganda

"just a thought" is typical of establishment arguments these days. It's all about the anecdote. Numbers don't matter. Remember 9-11, and here's some video of a cute puppy, and now the weather report. They're not talking to us, or to anybody with three brain cells to rub together. They figure they can stay in power just with the Idiot Vote. Or maybe with crooked voting machines.

What things 'seem' 18.Jan.2005 06:11

Jakwriter mountainchip@hotmail.com

I am curious to know just how it is that Mr. Langewiesche knows that the insurgents are "acutely aware of their popular base." I work over here and I haven't talked to them, has he? I do know though that I wonder all the time just what the hell the insurgents are up to. I'm only a medic, but it doesn't take a Patton to see that the insurgents have at best, a loose idea of a plan. With a hundred of these guys and a weeks worth of training I could overrunn our very own FOB. Yet there is no hint of any attempt of that happening.
These are the same insurgents who in an attempted rocket attack, placed a can of gasoline directly behind the rockets. In the back of a van. The 'attack' turned into a cremation. I try to respect these men for fighting what they believe in, but their apparent level of ignorance, and the seemingly random nature of their attacks only makes me shake my head in wonder.
Sure, civilians have been, and will be killed by US forces. While this hardly qualifies as a war, it is a combat zone. A little common sense would have saved a lot of Iraqis that I've worked on, a lot of suffering. I have watched them drive into firing weapons, raise a fist to a man with a rifle pointing at them. I have personally seen more than a couple vehicles get 'lit up' for racing up to check points, only to find out that the drivers are staggeringly drunk. That happens a lot.
This is not only a different culture. There is a mentality here one is hard pressed to comprehend. These things coupled with poverty and a vast lack of education make for strange happenings that are too easily "understood" as something else in Amerikan media.


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