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NAZI BUSH REGIME's ENVIRO/HAARP-REICHSTAG FIRE: seize Aceh oil militarily as "rescue"

Why has a senior commander involved in the invasion of Iraq been assigned to lead the US emergency relief program? "Lieutenant General Blackman was previously Chief of Staff...leading the Marines into Baghdad..."

US Foreknowledge and Selective Warnings. Similar to 9-11, the automatic warning system STANDS DOWN to allow a terrorist act occur, hypothetically using the HAARP technology, to justify upcoming militarization of the area with US troops in an area rich with oil. Whether HAARP or otherwise, the associated issue would be the standdown of the automatic earthquake warning system among its subscribing member nations. This is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE--U.S. ONLY WARNS AUSTRALIA AND INDONESIA--LEFT OTHERS IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL REICHSTAG FIRE TO DIE FOR POLITIAL GAIN, and then invaded oil rich Aceh with over 2000 U.S. Marines and two aircraft carriers with armed helicopters.

No one tells the member countries about the "earthquake". However, the US DOES WARN its military base in the aera. And from this military base, part of the invasion of Aceh is proceeding with TWO AIRCRAFT CARRIERS and led by the U.S.'s pre-emptive invasion of Iraq leadership. "In a bitter irony, part of this operation is being coordinated out of America's Naval base in Diego Garcia. The US warns its naval base, though fails to warn Indian Ocean rim governments. "...the strike group, with its seven ships, 2,100 Marines and 1,400 sailors aboard, also has four Cobra helicopters..."

The oil rich Aceh area, which like Iraq, was suffering from a civil war making oil extraction difficult. THE AMERICAN NAZI ANSCHLUSS MOVES OUT FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN--INTO ACEH: An·schluss: A political union, especially the one unifying Nazi Germany and Austria in 1938.  http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anschluss
2004 Sumatra quake/tsunami (click to animate): HAARP and/or Selective Warnings
2004 Sumatra quake/tsunami (click to animate): HAARP and/or Selective Warnings
US Foreknowledge of Natural Disaster, then Selective Warning, then US military invasion from Iraqi commander and aircraft carriers

SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range." [or undersea Indian ocean, just to see what their power can do].

11 facts/points, most assembled from PIMC already


Foreknowledge of A Natural Disaster
Washington was aware that a deadly Tidal Wave was building up in the Indian Ocean

Michel Chossudovsky | December 29 2004

The US Military and the State Department were given advanced warning. America's Navy base on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was notified.

Why were fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand not provided with the same warnings as the US Navy and the US State Department?

Why did the US State Department remain mum on the existence of an impending catastrophe?

With a modern communications system, why did the information not get out? By email, telephone, fax, satellite TV... ?

It could have saved the lives of more than 80,000 people. And the death toll is rising.

The earthquake was a Magnitude 9.0 on the Richter scale, among the highest in recorded history. US authorities had initially recorded 8.0 on the Richter scale.

As confirmed by several reports, US scientists in Hawaii, had advanced knowledge regarding an impending catastrophe, but failed to contact their Asian counterparts.

Charles McCreery of the Pacific Warning Center in Hawaii confirmed that his team tried desperately to get in touch with his counterparts in Asia. According to McCreery, director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's center in Honolulu, the team did its utmost to contact the countries. (The NOAA in Hawaii's Report at  http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm ).

His team contacted the US State Department, which apparently contacted the Asian governments. The Indian government confirms that no such warning was received. (The Hindu, 27 Dec 2004)

Nine (9.0) on the Richter scale: The Director of the Hawaii Warning Center stated that "they did not know" that the earthquake would generate a deadly tidal wave until it had hit Sri Lanka, more than one and a half hours later, at 2.30 GMT. (see Timeline below)

"Not until the deadly wave hit Sri Lanka and the scientists in Honolulu saw news reports of the damage there did they recognize what was happening... 'Then we knew there was something moving across the Indian Ocean,' said Charles McCreery. (quoted in the NYT, 28 Dec 2004 ).

This statement is at odds with the Timeline of the tidal wave disaster. Thailand was hit almost an hour before Sri Lanka and the news reports were already out. Surely, these reports out of Thailand were known to the scientists in Hawaii, not to mention the office of Sec. Colin Powell, well before the tidal wave reached Sri Lanka.

''We wanted to try to do something, but without a plan in place then, it was not an effective way to issue a warning, or to have it acted upon,'' Dr. McCreery said. ''There would have still been some time -- not a lot of time, but some time -- if there was something that could be done in Madagascar, or on the coast of Africa.''

The above statement is also inconsistent.

The tidal wave reached the East African coastline several hours after it reached The Maldives islands. According to news reports, Male, the capital of the Maldives was hit three hours after the earthquake, at approximately 4.00 GMT. By that time everybody around the World knew.

It is worth noting that the US Navy was fully aware of the deadly tidal wave, because the Navy was on the Pacific Warning Center's list of contacts. Moreover, America's strategic Naval base on the island of Diego Garcia had also been notified. Although directly in the path of the tidal wave (see animated chart below), the Diego Garcia military base reported "no damage".

"One of the few places in the Indian Ocean that got the message of the quake was Diego Garcia, a speck of an island with a United States Navy base, because the Pacific warning center's contact list includes the Navy. Finding the appropriate people in Sri Lanka or India was harder." (NYT, 28 Dec 2004, emphasis added)

Now how hard is it to pick up the phone and call Sri Lanka?

According to Charles McCreery, director of the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center.

"We don't have contacts in our address book for anybody in that part of the world."

Only after the first waves hit Sri Lanka did workers at National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre [PTWC] and others in Hawaii start making phone calls to US diplomats in Madagascar and Mauritius in an attempt to head off further disaster.

"We didn't have a contact in place where you could just pick up the phone," Dolores Clark, spokeswoman for the International Tsunami Information Centre in Hawaii said. "We were starting from scratch."

These statement on the surface are inconsistent, since several Indian Ocean Asian countries are in fact members of the Tsunami Warning System.

There are 26 member countries of the International Coordination Group for the Tsunami Warning System , including Thailand, Singapore and Indonesia. All these countries would normally be in the address book of the PTWC, which works in close coordination with its sister organization the ICGTWS , which has its offices in Honolulu at the headquarters of the National Weather Service Pacific Region Headquarters in downtown Honolulu.

The mandate of the ICGTWS is to "assist member states in establishing national warning systems, and makes information available on current technologies for tsunami warning systems."

Australia and Indonesia were notified. The US Congress is to investigate why the US government did not notify all the Indian Ocean nations in the affected area: "Only two countries in the affected region, Indonesia and Australia, received the warning"

"Although Thailand belongs to the international tsunami-warning network, its west coast does not have the system's wave sensors mounted on ocean buoys.

The northern tip of the earthquake fault is located near the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and tsunamis appear to have rushed eastward toward the Thai resort of Phuket.

"They had no tidal gauges and they had no warning," said Waverly Person, a geophysicist at the National Earthquake Information Centre in Golden, Colorado, U.S., which monitors seismic activity worldwide. "There are no buoys in the Indian Ocean and that's where this tsunami occurred."" (Hindu, 27 Dec 2004)

The issue of the Ocean sensors is a Red Herring

We we were not able to warn them because we had no sensors in the Indian Ocean: This argument is a Red Herring.

We are not dealing with advanced information based on the Ocean sensors, but on an emergency warning transmitted in the immediate wake of the earthquake. The latter took place at 00.58 GMT on the 26th of Dec. That information was sent to The State Department and the US Navy.

With modern communications, the information of an impending disaster could have been sent around the World in a matter of minutes, by email, by telephone, by fax, not to mention by live satellite Television.

Coastguards, municipalities, local governments, tourist hotels, etc. could have been warned.

According to Tsunami Society President Prof. Tad Murty of the University of Manitoba:

'there's no reason for a single individual to get killed in a tsunami,' since most areas had anywhere from 25 minutes to four hours before a wave hit. So, once again, because of indifference and corruption thousands of innocent people have died needlessly." (Calgary Sun, 28 Dec 2004)

Key Questions

1. Why were the Indian Ocean countries' governments not informed?

Were there "guidelines" from the US military or the State Department regarding the release of an advanced warning?

According to the statement of the Hawaii based PTWC, advanced warning was released but on a selective basis. Indonesia was already hit, so the warning was in any event redundant and Australia was several thousand miles from the epicentre of the earthquake and was, therefore, under no immediate threat.

2. Did US authorities monitoring seismographic data have knowledge of the earthquake prior to its actual occurrence at 00.57 GMT on the 26th of December?

The question is whether there were indications of abnormal seismic activity prior to 01.00 GMT on the 26th of Dec.

The US Geological Survey confirmed that the earthquake which triggered the tidal wave measured 9.0 on the Richter scale and was the fourth largest quake since 1900. In such cases, one would expect evidence of abnormal seismic activity before the actual occurrence of a major earthquake.

3. Why is the US military Calling the Shots on Humanitarian Relief

Why in the wake of the disaster, is the US military (rather than civilian humanitarian/aid organizations operating under UN auspices) taking a lead role?

The US Pacific Command has been designated to coordinate the channeling of emergency relief? Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Rusty Blackman, commander of the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force based in Okinawa, has been designated to lead the emergency relief program

Lieutenant General Blackman was previously Chief of Staff for Coalition Forces Land Component Command, responsible for leading the Marines into Baghdad during "Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Three "Marine disaster relief assessment teams" under Blackman's command have been sent to Thailand, Sri Lanka and Indonesia.

US military aircraft are conducting observation missions.

In a bitter irony, part of this operation is being coordinated out of America's Naval base in Diego Garcia, which was not struck by the tidal wave. Meanwhile, "USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group, which was in Hong Kong when the earthquake and tsunamis struck, has been diverted to the Gulf of Thailand to support recovery operations" (Press Conference of Pacific Command,  http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12292004_2004122905.html ).

Two Aircraft Carriers have been sent to the region.

Why is it necessary for the US to mobilize so much military equipment? The pattern is unprecedented:

Conway said the Lincoln carrier strike group has 12 helicopters embarked that he said could be "extremely valuable" in recovery missions.

An additional 25 helicopters are aboard USS Bonhomme Richard, headed to the Bay of Bengal. Conway said the expeditionary strike group was in Guam and is forgoing port visits in Guam and Singapore and expects to arrive in the Bay of Bengal by Jan. 7.

Conway said the strike group, with its seven ships, 2,100 Marines and 1,400 sailors aboard, also has four Cobra helicopters that will be instrumented in reconnaissance efforts.

Because fresh water is one of the greatest needs in the region, Fargo has ordered seven ships — each capable of producing 90,000 gallons of fresh water a day — to the region. Conway said five of these ships are pre-positioned in Guam and two will come from Diego Garcia.

A field hospital ship pre-positioned in Guam would also be ordered to the region, depending on findings of the disaster relief assessment teams and need, Conway said. (Ibid)

Why has a senior commander involved in the invasion of Iraq been assigned to lead the US emergency relief program?


The Tsunami Timeline

Sunday 26 December 2004 (GMT)

00.57 GMT: Between 00.57 GMT and 00.59 GMT, an 8.9 magnitude earthquake occurs on the seafloor near Aceh in northern Indonesia. (See  http://ioc.unesco.org/itsu/ and other reports)

00.58 GMT: Saturday 25 December, 2.58 pm Hawaii Time (GMT-10) 26 Dec 00.58 GMT. US government's Pacific Tsunami Warning Center registers the earthquake on its seismic instruments. In other words at the time of its occurrence at 00.58 GMT.

shortly after 01.00 GMT: Earthquake hits several cities in Indonesia, creates panic in urban areas in peninsular Malaysia. The news of the earthquakes is reported immediately.

01.3O GMT: Phuket and Coast of Thailand: The tidal wave hits to coastline shortly after 8.30 am, 01.30 GMT

02.30 GMT: Colombo Sri Lanka and Eastern Coast of Sri Lanka, the tidal wave hits the coastal regions close to the capital Colombo, according to report at 8.30 am local time, 02.30 GMT (an hour and a half after the earthqake)

02.45 GMT: India's Eastern Coastline. The tsunami hits India's eastern coast from 6:15 a.m.(2:45 GMT)

04.00 GMT: Male, Maldives: From about 9:00 am (0400 GMT), three hours after the earthquake, the capital, Male, and other parts of the country were flooded by the tsunami. (more than three hours after the earthquake)

11.00 GMT (approximate time according to news dispatches): East Coast of Africa is hit. More than ten hours after the earthquake

The animation below indicates approximate times at which the tidal wave hits the coastal areas of Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, The Maldives.

Click on the image to see an animation (650 KB)

(Animation provided by Kenji Satake, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, Japan)


26 Dec 2004

Seismic Activity on Dec 26

(click  http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seisplots/long-period/200412/20041226.PGC.LHZ.24hr.gif

Note: extreme seismic activity prior to 01.00 GMT


The Richter Scale

US scientists in Hawaii had initially indicated that the earthquake was of a magnitude of 8.0 (ten times weaker than in the case a 9.0 earthquake on the Richter scale).

How can an error of this nature be made, with very sophisticated measuring equipment?

According to Natural Resources Canada:
"The magnitude of an earthquake is a measure of the amount of energy released. Each earthquake has a unique magnitude assigned to it. This is based on the amplitude of seismic waves measured at a number of seismograph sites, after being corrected for distance from the earthquake. Magnitude estimates often change by up to 0.2 units, as additional data are included in the estimate.

The Richter scale is logarithmic, that is an increase of 1 magnitude unit represents a factor of ten times in amplitude. The seismic waves of a magnitude 6 earthquake are 10 times greater in amplitude than those of a magnitude 5 earthquake. However, in terms of energy release, a magnitude 6 earthquake is about 31 times greater than a magnitude 5. The intensity of an earthquake varies greatly according to distance from the earthquake, ground conditions, and other factors. The Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale is used to describe earthquake effects." (  http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/eqinfo/richter.htm )

The following criteria are given by Natural Resources, Canada:
M=8: "Great" earthquake, great destruction, loss of life over several 100 km (1906 San Francisco, 1949 Queen Charlotte Islands) .

M=9: Rare great earthquake, major damage over a large region over 1000 km (Chile 1960, Alaska 1964, and west coast of British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, 1700) .

Source Natural Resources Canada:  http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/eqinfo/richter.htm


"To be able to cause natural disasters to that extent could put the entire world in jeopardy. Mother nature isn't exactly a force to reckon with, nor try to manipulate on such a large scale. "

Title: HAARP-watch: fake HAARP tremors rock earth deep beneath San Andreas Fault
Author: haarp-watch, Michel Chossudovsky
Date: 2004.12.11 07:02
Description: Mysterious tremors deep beneath the San Andreas Fault near the quake-prone town of Parkfield are shaking the earth's brittle crust, FAR BELOW THE REGION WHERE EARTHQUAKES NORMALLY STRIKE -- and scientists say THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING or what the motions mean. Seismic researchers are monitoring the strange vibrations..."..."We see this kind of tremor activity inside volcanoes like Mount St. Helens," Nadeau said, "but that's due to the movement of rising magma, and in the tremors we've recorded there's NO EVIDENCE OF VOLCANISM and NO SEISMIC WAVES TYPICAL OF ORDINARY EARTHQUAKES." "In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions."

the how of HAARP causing seismic irregularities 11.Dec.2004 23:16
more link

"A short scan of the verbiage pertaining to HAARP in this post shows no theories offered as to how a high-powered radio-frequency transmitter like HAARP can cause seismic irregularities."

I'm sure other people are curious so here is more:

SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range." [or undersea Indian ocean, just to see what their power can do].



Unusual Weather Patterns (2003-2004) of Bush/Pentagon's global enviro-warfare 28.Dec.2004 19:44
more link

Environmental warfare is defined as the intentional modification or manipulation of the natural ecology, such as climate and weather, earth systems such as the ionosphere, magnetosphere, tectonic plate system, and/or the triggering of seismic events (earthquakes) to cause intentional physical, economic, and psycho-social, and physical destruction to an intended target geophysical or population location, as part of strategic or tactical war." (Eco News)

TABLE 1: Unusual Weather Patterns (2003-2004)

Alex, Ivan, Frances, Charley and Jeanne (August-September 2004): Four destructive hurricanes and a tropical rain storm occur in a sequence, within a short period of time. Unprecedented in hurricane history in the Caribbean, the island of Grenada is completely devastated: 37 people died and roughly two-thirds of the island's 100,000 inhabitants have been left homeless, in Haiti, more than two thousand people have died and tens of thousands have been made homeless. The Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Cuba and the Bahamas have also been devastated.

In the US, the damage hitting several Southern states including Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and the Carolinas is the highest in US history.

Brazil March 2004: The first-ever hurricane formed in the South Atlantic, striking Brazil with 90 mph winds and causing up to a dozen deaths. "Meteorologists were left scratching their heads in bewilderment as the familiar swirl of clouds, complete with a well-defined eye, appeared in an oceanic basin where none had been spotted before." (WP, 19 September 2004, See also  http://www.climate.org/topics/climate/brazil_hurricane.shtml )

Japan, China and the Korean Peninsula: "Japan has suffered its highest number of typhoon strikes on record, and the storms -- which hit at the rate of one a week for much of the summer -- wreaked havoc in Taiwan, China and the Korean Peninsula." (ibid)

China (August 2004): Typhoon Rananim, the worst in 48 years, has killed at least 164 people and injured more than 1800 in China's Zhejiang province. Rananim is confirmed by China's meteorological authorities to be the strongest to hit the Chinese mainland since 1956. It is estimated to have disrupted the life of some 13 million people,  http://www.cma.gov.cn/ywwz/englishread.php...

United States May 2003 : 562 tornadoes hit the United States, the highest in recorded history, far exceeding the previous monthly peak of 399 in June 1992.(CNN, July 3, 2003,  http://www.cnn.com/2003/WEATHER/07/03/wmo.extremes/ )

India, early 2003: a pre-monsoon heat wave caused peak temperatures of between 45 and 49 degrees Celsius (113 to 120 degrees Fahrenheit), killing more than 1400 people.(Ibid)

Sri Lanka, "heavy rainfalls from Tropical Cyclone 01B exacerbated already wet conditions, causing flooding and landslides and more than 300 fatalities." (Ibid)

Western Europe Summer 2003: experienced extremely high Summer temperatures. "Switzerland experienced its hottest June [2003] in at least 250 years while in the south of France average temperatures were between 5 and 7 degrees Celsius (9 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than the long term average. England and Wales also experienced their hottest month since 1976." (Ibid)


The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use
by Michel Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca 27 September 2004

The URL of this article is:  http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

This article is follow-up on an earlier study by the author entitled Washington's New World Order Weapons Have the Ability to Trigger Climate Change, Third World Resurgence, January 2001,  http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO201A.html

What are the underlying causes of extreme weather instability, which has ravaged every major region of the World in the course of the last few years?

. . .

A study released in July 2003, by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) places the blame, without further examination, at the feet of global warming:

"These record extreme events [high temperatures, low temperatures and high rainfall amounts and droughts] all go into calculating the monthly and annual averages which, for temperatures, have been gradually increasing over the past 100 years," the WMO said in its statement (CNN, July 3, 2003,  http://www.cnn.com/2003/WEATHER/07/03/wmo.extremes/ )

While global warming is undoubtedly an important factor, it does not fully account for these extreme and unusual weather patterns.

Weather Warfare

The significant expansion in America's weather warfare arsenal, which is a priority of the Department of Defense is not a matter for debate or discussion. While, environmentalists blame the Bush administration for not having signed the Kyoto protocol, the issue of "weather warfare", namely the manipulation of weather patterns for military use is never mentioned.

The US Air Force has the capability of manipulating climate either for testing purposes or for outright military-intelligence use. These capabilities extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes. In recent years, large amounts of money have been allocated by the US Department of Defense to further developing and perfecting these capabilities.

Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power. (US Air Force, emphasis added. Air University of the US Air Force, AF 2025 Final Report,  http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/ emphasis added)



did you note that people above basically admitted that though Sumatra was only "minutes" from the tsunami when USGS noted it, they instead were presumably doing something for "20 minutes," and only after Sumatra/Aceh (oil area) was hit, then the US sent their indirect "email warning" 20 minutes later. Hypothetically, an expedited phone call to police or the main government on Sumatra would have definitely preserved more human lives. No one did this though. Surely this is criminal negligence and criminal forethought particularly in regards to Aceh.

Or, sit back and watch corp media. Here's what you would see. ABC talked up (with very detailed graphics already at the ready) Atlantic tsunamis on the morning of Dec 30. No one mentioned HAARP though. I was channel flipping, and I was shocked to see ABC repeating the same "Atlantic tsunamis" story over and over and over. I caught it twice myself and I was only channel flipping.


How likely is it that this whole terrible earthquake/tsunami happened because US/Indonesian army folks thought it was a good idea to use a big bomb to quash the Aceh independence movement?


Hehehe... 29.Dec.2004 19:47
Tony Blair's dog link

"I think it would be too obvious to too many scientists that something had happened at the bottom of the ocean to instigate an earthquake."

You mean scientists like the ones who got censored by the corporate
media when they exposed the explosions taking place at the WTC
*before* the WTC buildings went down on 9/11?

Yeah, I think they would find it a little too obvious.
But then, who could they reach out to with that information when the
big media would not let them tell about it? ;-)


scalar fingerprint = missing p wave 29.Dec.2004 20:53
know somethin' about it link

Yes, scalar does have a "fingerprint." They typically lack a p-wave when they are a "scalar EM hit". The Kobe earthquake in Japan, and one in San Fran a while back, I know, were missing this p wave. Likely if someone queried the people...they would relate the same thing:...


September 2004 prediction for Aceh quake, US did a report/study about a huge quake there regarding planning for it, then it happens

prediction = oil = epicenter = present ceasefire = EM history there.... 29.Dec.2004 21:12
. link

Sept AGSO Report On Tsunami-Quake Danger
For SW Sumatra
From Harry Mason

Dear Jeff,

Interestingly with amazing prescient "co-incidence" The Australian GeoScience Organisation - AGSO - ran an article in its AUSTGEO NEWS for September 2004 about the risk factors for earthquakes and consequent tsunamis developing off the SW coast of Sumatra.

See attached pdf file - note the AGSO model for a possible SW Sumatra tsunamis and compare with the recent tsunamis animation just posted on the Jeff Rense site (from  http://iri.columbia.edu/~lareef/tsunami/ ).

AGSO got it nearly right but failed to (publicly at least ) predict that multiple earthquakes would let rip along most of the entire Sumatra-Andaman shear zone and that this would create multiple tsunamis and that these would funnel up the Bay of Bengal and across to Sri Lanka with such DEADLY force. The AGSO model showed the tsunamis vectoring SW into the un-inhabited section of the Indian Ocean.

This is similar to the amazing coincidence of the Worlds foremost authorities on earthquakes and seismic events being in Tokyo for a major conference when disaster struck Kobe a few years ago, or the marine survey being located off shore of southern New Guinea when the "on fire" tsunamis hit their north coast. None of these coincidences on their own are out of the question BUT when taken as a class one has to seriously wonder...

The BIG question is was this AGSO report just an amazing co-incidence or were they asked to model the SW Sumatra area by someone wanting to know what might happen if the plate boundary was tickled by energetic scalar EM ??? The same area of the 9.2 richter quake has been the site of deliberate use of scalar EM to whip up cyclones (hurricanes). A Malaysian newspaper ran that story a few years back implying a deal between the Malaysian government and a Russian state owned company to create a cyclone to push smoke from Indonesian forrest fires offshore. The actual cyclone creation event was visible on weather imagery shown on West Australian TV during the 7.00pm ABC weather news. It consisted of an annular ring say 50 miles in diameter consisting of multiple micro spirals (each say 5 miles in diameter) in edge contact - each micro-spiral being created sequentially until the annular ring was closed back to the first micro-spiral. Within a day the cyclone centred upon the angular ring had begun to spin up to full power.

If AGSO were "simply" being prescient their guys deserve high accolade. However prescience is not something for which AGSO is normally known.

However if the study was requested from "on high" we have a potential conduit to the source.

It will be interesting to see if AGSO suffers senior staff loss by suicide in the new year.

Best Regards,

Harry Mason



Aceh Province stands out amid the disaster's deepening toll, not only because it was closest to the earthquake's epicenter, but because the disaster has intruded on a region in the grip of a civil war. Aceh has been under martial law since May of last year, when five months of peace talks between separatist rebels and the government broke down.

The president at the time, Megawati Sukarnoputri, dispatched 40,000 troops to secure the province, whose oil and gas resources are vital to government revenue. The government declared a cease-fire after the earthquake, and observers said the truce appeared to be holding, allowing relief workers to tend to survivors.



If I were to rig earthquake/tsunami...I'd hit Indian Ocean because... 29.Dec.2004 21:50
. link

I'd rig it in the Indian ocean area, because there is nothing in the way of warning systems. ONLY PLACE WITHOUT TSUNAMI WARNING SYSTEM. Last tsunami: 500 years ago there. Therefore, you could really guage your Machiavellian effects of a hypothetical HAARP operation on an unsuspecting population. This hypothetical surprise would be closer to an actual test of an eco-terrorism scalar hit.

"A tsunami last crossed the Indian Ocean in 1509. Scientists had not expected anything close to the quake and killer waves that struck Sunday because 90 percent of tsunamis occur in the Pacific Ocean, where there are warning systems."



U.S. alibi: "WE EMAILED THEM! umm, after Sumatra was hit! Did they get it?" 29.Dec.2004 22:19
this is criminal negligence! link

Scientists in USA saw tsunami coming, opted for email warning after 20 minute standdown
[I sure hope I get an email warning form letter (sic)--after a national disaster.]

In fact, the detector buoys that monitor tsunami surges have been available for decades. None placed there though.

Tue Dec 28, 7:11 AM ET

By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY

***Minutes after*** a massive earthquake rocked the Indian Ocean on Sunday, international ocean monitors knew that a tsunami would likely follow. But they didn't know whom to tell. [so they say]

[Though we knew within minutes, we took our time and crafted a great memo! Hey, didn't you read it! Didn't you get it!] "We put out a bulletin within 20 minutes, technically as fast as we could do it," says Jeff LaDouce of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. LaDouce says e-mails were dispatched to Indonesian officials, but he doesn't know what happened to the information. ["All that was important was to shift the blame from us to them, and once that was accomplished we could sit back and watch!" This ignores that the US only warned Indonesia and Australia--and kept other countries in the dark.]

The [red herring] problem is that Sunday's earthquake struck the unmonitored Indian Ocean. An international system of buoys and monitoring stations - the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center based in Hawaii - spans the Pacific, alerting nations there to any oncoming disasters. But no such system guards the Indian Ocean. [The issue is the lack of typical warning about earthquakes--which was stood down.]

(There isn't one in the Atlantic Ocean because there are comparatively few earthquakes there.[yet!]
LaDouce says efforts are being made in the Caribbean to set up a warning system after last year's tsunami caused by the volcanic collapse on the island of Montserrat.)

"Sumatra has an ample history of great earthquakes, which makes the lack of a tsunami warning system in the Indian Ocean all the more tragic," says geologist Brian Atwater of the U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites). "Everyone knew Sumatra was a loaded gun."[heh heh, freudian slip?]

On Monday, Asian government officials, notably in India, discussed plans to coordinate efforts to develop an Indian Ocean system. "It's a people problem, not a technology problem," says geophysicist Teng-fong Wong of the State University of New York-Stony Brook. "Governments just have to cooperate." [and do what we say, or else.]


Tsunamis as U.S. enviromental blitzkrieg war? Regardless, this is being used to expand the American Nazi Anschluss as they Americans surf into oil-rich Aceh armed to the teeth on a 50 foot high wave.

disaster relief = military occupation 30.Dec.2004 13:34

luna moth

The bouy sensors would have also notified about the tsunami, but most likely the earthquake was registered at the epicenter hours before the wave arrived and a warning could have been sent just as easily with enough time for people to evacuate..

That brings to attention the eagerness of the US military to provide humanitarian relief after the disaster already happened. There is of course the obligation on the part of the world's last superpower to "help out" those in need. Forget the fact that the slaughter of so many people was preventable. Not to mention the coastal overdevelopment is a direct result of the hotel tourist trade spawned by WTO imperialism that benefits G8 nations..

Then relief agencies like Red Cross and others rush in to help, once again looking like heroes. The US media broadcasts the body count and people donate huge sums of money to disaster relief agencies..

The Indonesian government has long waited for disaster to strike the areas of autonomous groups like the Tamil Tigers. What better way to squash indigenous resistance than to have the US military there for "disaster relief support"??

Prevention of death and catastrophe is never in the interest of the US government and their corporate puppet masters. Whether a detectable tsunami or US funded dictators like Hitler, Saddam, etc. the US creates the monster than rushes in as heroe to help the helpless victems..

Thank you... 30.Dec.2004 15:35

Tony Blair's dog

for a most interesting collection of information.

Again, things are starting to look completely different
from the "official" versions of events.

Will "W" be allowed to be "inaugurated" again?

Or will the true patriots still alive in the defence
administration do their duty and detain the scum?

Adding insult to injury 30.Dec.2004 18:29


Lookout Malaysia, Thailand and India; World Vision is bringing humanitarian aid to your nations. The leader of this organization has ties to the CIA and is personal friends with the Bush crime family. It is a known spook infiltration front for the Nazi criminals running this phoney war on terrorism.
This Southeast Asian sector, especially Malaysia, is currently resisting the fiat banking scam run by the IMF and world bank. Maybe this tragedy is being used by the global crime syndicates as a warning to the leaders to cooperate with their scam. A sophisticated version of the Mafia trick of throwing a brick through a shopkeepers front window and then walking in and asking if the shopkeeper wants to buy their protection.

The Weather Machine 31.Dec.2004 03:32


or The Tesla Howitzer, pictured...

HAARP phased array transmitter at Gakona, Alaska
HAARP phased array transmitter at Gakona, Alaska

The Ummah Factor & Band Aid Logic 31.Dec.2004 06:03

Devil's Advocate

So what you're saying is that the US has the technological might to cause global disasters just to get oil? And they have used said technology which released enough energy to wobble a planet just to gas up a Hummvee?

I think different kinds of wobble (spin) should be considered.

Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world outside the Middle East. Would this administration use this catastrophe to win "hearts and minds" in their war on terrorism? Simple opportunism is by far more cost effective than the use of a superweapon.

Another point to consider is does the US Government have fleets of hospital ships the size of aircraft carriers to render aid? Entire squadrons of heavy lift cargo aircraft dedicated to relief efforts? Do they have divisions of 'citizen medics' to radiply deploy and "liberate" suffering anywhere in the world?

No. This country has no civilian infrastructure to quickly send the amount of equipment needed in a relief effort of this magnitude. It's all tied up in "providing for the common defense". So again it's more cost effective that a military conquistador would be put in charge of relief efforts. It would simply be a question of logistics.

sympathy for the Devil's advocate 31.Dec.2004 16:33


To be Devil's Advocate, you have to intentionally ignore the US's selective warnings which were the only rationale why so many deaths occurred. This provides a context for the invasion.

Plus, you have to ignore the warning that was received by the US military bases at the same time...

Pleased to meet you... 01.Jan.2005 06:15

Devil's Advocate

Unless you were at one of the US bases which received these messages or a copy of the tramsmission was made public, the context of invasion is speculation at best. But it may point to another front on the war on terrorism that has never been made public.

So please allow me to speculate as well.

It is not unlikely that there has been covert US submarine activity in that area ready to send commandos to the shores of some island or launch cruise missiles at some 'terrorist stronghold'. It is also possible that they inadvertingly discovered the seismic data in the area, and did not disclose it to the general public for fear of jepordizing their underwater operations. However the US Government did notify it's bases in the area.

Realizing the devastation witholding this information had done (another 100,000+ dead in the War on/of Terror), political hacks took time, say three days, to come up with some damage control. The best they came up with was to say nothing and throw the survivors a band aid in the form on "stingy" relief funds.

Looks a conspiracy 01.Jan.2005 13:21


My perception after knowing US delayed relaying of Tsunami, indicate that there is something wrong somewhere.. how US conveyed same to thier troops in the area and failed to relay to other Govt despite having hot lines, means that some one wants this should happen. For US govt, this humanitarion loss is nothing... when i look in iraq where genocide has been done with courage.

What other point i feel to tell people, in indian ocean american NAVY operates too much, but no damage to any US asset is reported. 3 hours warning in sea is also less as maximum distance to be covered is not more than 70 NM in 3 hours.. What i concieved american does know about this and they have removed thier fleet from indian ocean affected area... How they know ..people must think about it..may be it is working of HAARP technology which can be used to bring earthquakes.......................
LETS pound our thoughts and seek the truth.

Comments please.

Aceh is ethnically cleansed: ready for Halliburton to move in 01.Jan.2005 19:36



Ambassador Rusdihardjo said a combination of earthquake and tsunami had left 80 to 100 per cent of infrastructure in Acheh province, such as hospitals, health centres, transport and communication networks and homes, destroyed. [Sounds like Israeli's ethnic cleansing war on Palestine, eh?]


Indonesia Tsunami Death Toll Expected To Pass 400,000

KUALA LUMPUR (Bernama) -- The death toll in [oil rich] Acheh [which had been suffering from a civil war postponing oil extraction], the region worst hit by last Sunday's tsunami, may exceed 400,000 as many affected areas could still not be reached for search and rescue operations, Indonesia's Ambassador to Malaysia Drs H. Rusdihardjo said Thursday.

He said the estimate was based on air surveillance by Indonesian authorities who found no signs of life in places like Meulaboh, Pulau Simeulue and Tapak Tuan while several islands off the west coast of Sumatera had "disappeared".

He said the latest death toll of more than 400,000 in Acheh and northern Sumatera did not take into account the figures from the other areas, especially in the west of the region.

"Aerial surveillance found the town of Meulaboh completely destroyed with only one buiding standing. The building, which belonged to the military, happens to be on a hill," he told reporters after receiving RM1 million in aid for Indonesia's Tsunami Disaster Relief Fund here Thursday.

Rusdihardjo said there were about 150,000 residents in Meulaboh, which was located 150km from the epicentre of the earthquake while Pulau Simeuleu had a population of 76,000.

The contributions were from several corporate giants.

Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB), represented by Chairman Tan Sri Ahmad Sarji Abdul Hamid, gave RM200,000; Guthrie, represented by Chief Executive Officer Datuk Abdul Wahab Maskan, gave RM200,000; Golden Hope Plantations Berhad, represented by Group Director for Corporate, Legal and Public Affairs Norlin Abdul Samad, gave RM200,000; Maybank, represented by Head of Public Affairs Wan Norhiyati Ibrahim, gave RM200,000 and Sime Darby Group's Motor Division, represented by Director Yip Jon Khiam, also gave RM200,000.

Ahmad Sarji also handed over a PNB contribution to Utusan's Tsunami Disaster Relief Fund, which was received by Utusan Melayu (Malaysia) Executive Chairman Tan Sri Hashim Makarudin to help Malaysian tsunami victims.

Ambassador Rusdihardjo said a combination of earthquake and tsunami had left 80 to 100 per cent of infrastructure in Acheh province, such as hospitals, health centres, transport and communication networks and homes, destroyed.

"Looking at the scale of destruction, it's difficult to say when the search and rescue operations can be mounted in all affected areas," he said.

He said rescue efforts were hampered by transportation difficulties and lack of fuel.

Rusdihardjo said that at this time international help, especially in the form of medicines, clean water, food and clothing, were desperately needed by Indonesia to aid survivors in Acheh.

"Now we are worried about the outbreak of diseases such as cholera, the work of disposing corpses and the absence of clean water following the contamination of water sources," he said.

It would take years before the situation returned to normal, he said, adding that the Indonesian government was not able to estimate losses caused by the tragedy as yet.

He expressed his gratitude to Malaysia's help although the country itself was hit with 66 lives lost so far and property to the tune of millions of ringgit destroyed.

"We are deeply touched," he said.

Rusdihardjo said Indonesia was also seeking Malaysia's cooperation to mount search and rescue operations from its shores because of the close proximity of the two countries.

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suffer the children 01.Jan.2005 20:14


all speculation, hypothesizing is essential. lets look at a few patterns and see if behavior of a psychotic sort can be determined. a few undeniable facts can help but cannot guarantee. fact1: usa is known for its generosity worldwide when it comes to distributing military hardware, number one in world and known to be dead last when it comes to foreign aid that doesnt blow things apart, .11% of gdp (note the position of the decimal); fact2: the usa has never given aid to any nation unconditionally, NEVER, strings always attached, i challenge anyone to document one occasion; fact3: the usa has upped its aid package to 350 million; fact4: this cash has been earmarked for long term reconstruction and development according to state department (a disaster of this magnitude requires a sustained presence); fact5: marine corp lt. rusty blackman will lead humanitarian program initially (previously chief of staff for coalition forces land component command invading baghdad); fact6: the usa controls the imf; fact7:most of the victims are muslims. there are many more facts to consider such as how the imf dismantled the asian tiger, energy transport corridors etc.
prediction: the usa will barge in loud and proud drawing attention to its generosity while the on the ground relief work shall be carried out primarily by less boisterous and manipulative aid orgs. the cesspool of d.c. will bend things towards its political aims. imf loans will arrive. becthel will show them how to build pricey toilets. kbr will provide tents and laundry detail. halliburton subsidiary will throw in a few pipelines. democracy will come at long last. oh wait does this mean the usa has to throw out the very same military regime it currently props up in aceh?
a rather despicable, cynical free-market-christian-military-media-fundamentalism is circling the globe like vultures.

Gold Wars -- Track the Newmont Mining Stories in Indonesia 01.Jan.2005 21:59


Following the earthquake, the threatened Newmont Mining Lawsuit was dropped. Useful to understand the war going on regarding control of gold and the manipulation of the gold market.

before and after pics, Aceh oil region 02.Jan.2005 12:40


BEFORE: northern tip of the island, on Jan 10 2003
BEFORE: northern tip of the island, on Jan 10 2003
AFTER: same area,  Dec 29 2004, update: 80,000 dead in this one country alone
AFTER: same area, Dec 29 2004, update: 80,000 dead in this one country alone

more Aceh, wider view, before and after, w/same dates 02.Jan.2005 12:44


Before, Jan 10 2003
Before, Jan 10 2003
After, Dec 29 2004
After, Dec 29 2004

What a bunch of un-educated morons! 03.Jan.2005 13:34

The only rational person here

I have never before been amongst a group of people with such diluted sense of logic. Conspiracy Theory?!? Stay off the pot and shrooms for a few days and let your two brain-cells stop fighting for just a moment so you may see this idiotic rhetoric you are preaching!

1. HAARP concerning Earthquakes: If you know anything about sound waves and frequency modulation (By the way they teach you the basics in 3rd grade science) you would know that the higher the frequency the less it can travel through dense materials. The earth/rock is extremely dense and requires extremely low frequencies for waves to propogate through it (you would know this if you actually passed the 7th grade). Hence HAARP could not cause an earthquake on the surface of the earth much less the depths at which this techtonic plate behavior occured.

2. Poe quit playing numbers games: Fact 1 - Considering the fact that the U.S. GDP is the highest in the world at $11 Trillion your .11% comes in roughly at 12.1 Billion Dollars (By the way your number is wrong...last year the US Government provided 17 Billion in non-military aid). The next closest country by GDP is Japan at $3.6 Trillion. Of course the US percentage would be lower due to the amount of mouney you are talking about. Do you expect the US to forego improving itself and tighe a greater amount to support the rest of the world. If you would like to talk numbers, the US provides almost 16% of all foreign Aid, where as the next closest country is Japan at 9%. In 2003, this #2 country provided $8.9 Billion where as the US (#1 of course) provided $15.8 Billion. Hmmm looks alot different without all that smoke and mirrors doesn't it.

3. Poe lets get you facts straight: The US has never given aid to any country unconditionally. I am just curious what you believe these strings are. Do you call it a string when the US rebuilds a country with the understanding that the country must not use the money to build an army to attack it's neighbors again? Is that a string or a condition. When the bank "lends" you money is there not an understanding that they will receive something to guarentee the money will not be wasted or never repayed? When the US borrows money, they are paying back more than they ever received. Why is hard to understand that there are conditions when it comes to government funding.

4. Victims aren't just Muslims: There are millions of Christians, Hindus, Buddhas, etc. in the area of devastation. By saying the Tsunami only affected the muslim people is absolutely preposterous.

5. Why was the US military not affected by this devastation? This is simple. I have been through 8 Typhoons and Hurricanes, yet I am still alive. Where did these happen you ask? Two on land 6 in the Ocean. The way waves propogate through the ocean, e.g. this Tsunami, is by displacing it's energy throughout the column of water which reaches from the surface to the oceans floor. Hence, the relative affect on a ship in the deep ocean is merely a few foot tall ripple. Once, the depth of the ocean begins to decrease (e.g. near land) the energy becomes more localized creating the wave people are use to seeing at the beach, but in this case at a much grander scale. The second reason is the Military is tied into the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean Tsunami warning system, the affected countries were not. Diego Garcia is located over 2000 miles away from the Epicenter where as Sumatera was a mere 150 km away. Hmm, that one is pretty much common sense. Lastly, the Indian Ocean does not have any Tsunami pre-warning system of bueys due to the fact the countries did not think they would need them, so did not invest in the primarily US funded project to install these worldwide....Probably some conspiracy theorist told them they were weapons for world domination or something along those lines.

I could go on for hours noting all the known falacies in your arguements, but I must get back to important matters. I hope this does not come off as an attack, but more of someone trying to help those less fortunate out.

Thank you for your Time.

related: intentional earthquake warning STANDDOWN even larger 03.Jan.2005 14:31

India Times

a GLOBAL STANDDOWN! in earthquake warning revealed: intentional deaths, for what purpose?
12:42 Jan-03 (3 comments) [Repost from the India Times]

a GLOBAL STANDDOWN! in earthquake warning revealed: intentional deaths, for what purpose?
author: HAARP watch

Machiavelli lives.

Based on the analysis of the time sequence in which these Governments received information and failed or decided not to act is alarming. --- Indian Military, for example, clearly got the information two hours before the Tsunami hit the India's mainland. An Indian Air Force base was wiped out in Andaman Nicobar island near Sumatra [how convenient, assures U.S. is the "first eco-terrorism responder"]. . .India is notified of loss of its military base TWO HOURS BEFORE tsunami hit mainland India. However, though Indian Military tried to inform the civilian pro-Bush government of India, it did nothing with this two-hour foreknowledge and instead simply waited for the tsunami to stike India without issuing any warnings to its citizens. Thus, many Indians are killed INTENTIONALLY due to purposeful criminal negligence. --- How do you justify that all six Governments failed separately in their own domain one by one. --- The most amazing thing is that United States Geological Survey and Ocean Monitoring agencies came to know about the Tsunhe Tsunami and earthquake but decided not to do anything. --- The whole world decided to fail to do anything together, at the same time. --- In Thailand, some in the Government said they decided not to act because it would just scare people. Really? Are we not supposed to get scared of scary things?


"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." (1997 QUOTE)

. . .

full India Times article here:

ditto: disaster relief = military ocupation 03.Jan.2005 20:14

mistrust the obvious

Hopefully those who read this artcle will have an "Ahh hah " moment and realize that most of the world is duped on a daily basis by the handful who own the media, equity markets, central banks, and now the weather. It may take a few years to finally connect the dots. Perhaps more will realize that the "Payne Stewart analogy to 911 actually makes sense - and joe 6pack might wake up to the fact that the demolition of the twin towers was one of the biggest psyops excercises in the history of the world. What is going on with US dollar, gold, and oil? hmmmm. The best is yet to come.

Wake up Joe 6-pack ? 03.Jan.2005 23:59

the big picture

On a steady diet of aspartame-laced food & drink, daily doses of fluoride and mercury in the water, and a media telling spewing anything and everything but the truth, don't expect Joe 6-pack to wake up to anything more than a hangover... and a tumor. Too harsh?

Sad But True 04.Jan.2005 03:59

True (B)Grit

On a steady diet of aspartame-laced food & drink, daily doses of fluoride and mercury in the water, and a media telling spewing anything and everything but the truth, don't expect Joe 6-pack to wake up to anything more than a hangover... and a tumor. Too harsh?


Praying for some insight! & for the lost souls (DEAD & ALIVE)

Uneducated Morons? 04.Jan.2005 07:35


And you hope you're not percieved as an attacker? If you're the only rational person here, pass me the pot & more shrooms, please.
I see how you trash everyone & then tell us how much you only wanted to help.
Sounds just like the M.O. of the group we're accusing.
I can easily give you that you are closer to reality on points 2,3,4,& 5, but why ignore the rest & tell us you have "more important" things to do? Why conclude that HAARP wasn't involved just because of something you learned in 3rd or 7th grade? You seem to assume that scalar technology & ELF waves only originate from Alaska. Then you completely ignore all the other evidernce.

And you have the gall to call US morons?

Interesting that you should consider us lees fortunate.

Reprieve from earlier comments 04.Jan.2005 09:03

One of the Rational Ones


Sorry about the harsh comments in the my first statements. I admit that they were quite feverish in their pitch, but after reading some of the ridiculous comments made in the topic I felt justified in my position. I completely apologize for making the blanket assumption that everyone here is a moron and non-rational. Please forgive me.

I don't base my conclusions on HAARP upon my 3rd or 7th grade educations, but these statements were put in to inform that these concepts are taught in these levels of school. I based my conclusions on what I know of wave propagation from years of studying physics, electromagnetic wave and field theory, as well as wave propagation from the nuclear to the physical level. It's just not possible to penetrate the earth with anything greater than few hertz much less on the scale of the HAARP. Projects like HAARP are meant for deep space transmissions that can break through the barrier of the ionosphere and travel less impeded by the magnetic influences of large masses.

I do agree at the point that the public was not notified as rapidly as they "could" have. Unfortunately for developing countries there is not the same public infrastructure as we have in our great nation. Public Information Systems are just not existant in many of these countries, which is sad but true. I am appalled by the amount of death that occured. Especially considering how a little of the technology that has existed for decades could have prevented some of the suffering. I hope this catastrophe sheds light on and opens the eyes of all countries as to what needs to be done to help prevent things like this from happening again. Assist these countries in developing Public Information Systems (e.g. early warning systems, sirens, etc.), share the knowledge that we have gained from our own catastrophes (e.g. construction methods), and do what we can rather than chase some imaginary ghost. I know it will take lots of time and money, but you have to start somewhere.

Once again I apalogize more my rude remarks.


furthering this discussion on the tsunami 04.Jan.2005 09:09


It's a "well known secret" that the hijacked Governments of especially Russia and the USA are vastly ahead of rhe level of technology we see on the streets. Some say by as much as 30 years in everything directly defense related. Much of that defense related high tech includes energy and propulsion technology. We know Zero Point energy generation is a part of the horde of suppressed tech. As well as anti-gravity propulsion. It's all covered over by the "National Security" scam here in the USA. Here's the problem all of us honest loyal Americans each have. We have the scum of the Earth who have taken over and who are capable of perpetrating the 9-11 demolition of the WTC that slaughtered 3000 human beings. They created their intended "2nd Pearl Harbor". Now we have an infinite war and infinite police state beginning to rise up and destroy EVERYTHING America "was".

As detectives, ...let's look at some of the obvious discrepancies in logic that are surrounding this case. It does sound like "selective" warnings were given concerning the tsunami threat to all Countries in the area, ...not just two. It does sound like a USA Military takedown is being orchestrated in another oil-rich area of the World. The area hardest hit by this undersea tectonic plate 9.2 Earthquake and it's resulting tsunami wave was an area Indonesia's hijacked Government would probably be complicite in the destruction of. I understand most of that areas rebels and rebelian was swept away by the tsunami.

Lastly,  http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/index.html scaler weapons technology looks like it can indeed vastly effect the Earth. Exactly how is another thing up for discussion here. Before we let the WHORES distract us, ...we were having a basic discussion on that subject. I'll see what else i can discover and you do the same. We just witnessed the greatest "natural" (that's open to debate) disaster in modern times. The previous Guiness Book of World Records set a death toll of around 300 to 400 thousand for a certain huge Earthquake in China decades ago. I'm guessing the "real" casualty numbers of the current disaster we are discussing starts at 400,000. And could easily double, triple or even quadruple. Though probably around 1 million from both the wave and directly resulting disease is what will eventually be accepted as a so-called fact. I'm sure hiding truth to save the tourist industry will be a huge factor. And to hide the magnitude of that scam related to not warning for instance India!

Some major scams are or will be involved -- no question about it. The same scams as we see in Iraq. Especially around anything oil industry related and anyplace where the hijacked Governments of this World and the bankster sydicate families that control them can like vultures move in and feast on what "ripe opportunities" the tsunami created.

As ALWAYS, ...the billion in aid $$$ flowing in will first off be over half be stolen by UNICEF, etc, then used as cover by other criminal elite to infitrate and secure various landmass beacheads for syndicate controlled Corporations and new military bases to guard and protect them. What we have happening with this tsunami "operation" is very possibly a new aggressive strategy being deplyed to take over places hostile to the New World Order. Terrorism being the first tool and natural disaster their second tool.

It's not at all out of "their" character to do such a brutal and apocalyptic act of aggression against the human race. Man's inhumanity to man is what we are witnessing on ever increasingly larger scale. Throughtout the entire World. Like a plague it seems to be about on the verge of spiralling much further out of control. Much the same way Hitler's Third Riech did. And we know the same scum that caused that distaster are still around and more powerful than ever in terms of how much they have now hijacked and control.

Solution? For starters. We need to take back control of the USA Military which is genociding Iraq and stirring up "real" future terror. We do that by taking back the Congress and kicking out the scum whores sitting there. I know. A seemingly to pat an answer to the question of what to do. We'll i do recognize there are millions of steps in every way we can take to help solve these dilemas. A great topic of discussion actualy.

Tesla, waves 04.Jan.2005 16:30

Skenny skennybird@hotmail.com

Didn't Tesla cause an earthquake while working in NY (was it on Montauk)?? I assume in 50 yrs. "they" could easily figure out how to cause an earthquake anywhere "they" want.

BTW, I know Joe Vialls posted his view on the Tsunami. Wasn't up when I checked. I think he always has great insights into how the elite work. Plus Skolnick is talking about it on cloakanddagger.ca

Warnings were there.. GREED kept the local gov't quite! 04.Jan.2005 19:26

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1422669,00.html john10lewis@yahoo.com


The local government refuses to place any device that may cause their huge tourist industry to dwindle.
Simple as that.. GREEDY BASTARDSS.

excuses, excuses 04.Jan.2005 21:10


Give me a break! The affected nations couldn't be notified in time because of lack of technology? Please! I guess television, radio and newspapers don't qualify? BULLSHIT is what it is. And guess what, HAARP can penetrate rocks; it is used to find oil and to look for underground military operations. Spook bullshit. WAKE UP or GO BACK TO SLEEP, there are many PROMISES TO KEEP. Too bad we can't figure out how to even keep a promise to ourselves...

weather manipulation 04.Jan.2005 22:43



Please see the Jan 03 posting here.

study geography 05.Jan.2005 01:04

educated and annoyed leftie

Firstly, to the fool who wrote that the Indonesian government wants to knock out the Tamil Tigers:
go study some geography - the tamil tigers have nothing to do with Indonesia, they are based
in Sri Lanka.

A hell of a lot of the comments on this site are deeply offensive, and on so many levels. As another
poster pointed out people of all nationalities and religions were killed in this tragedy.

Unfortunately earthquakes and tsunamis have been occurring for millions of years - maybe
George W Bush has invented a time machine and gone back and triggered all the earthquakes, did you
blame the recent 8.0 magnituted quake near Tasmania on him as well?

This is a terrible natural disaster, and I'm glad the US is generously helping in the relief efforts.

People like you lot give the left a bad name - no wonder most Americans vote Republican.

Nice Try 05.Jan.2005 01:23


..."no wonder most Americans vote Republican."

I guess you haven't heard about voter fraud.

Before any of you nay-sayers continue, please answer to Sec. Cohen's 1997 comments about earthquake technology. And, until you have, just shut the hell up. Your un-informed opinions are not welcome.

show us the primary source then 05.Jan.2005 02:23

educated and annoyed leftie

Ok, show us a primary source for this interview - all I can find when I google the alleged William Cohen quote are mad, conspiracy theory websites that talk about the alleged quote. As for electoral fraud - you Americans have a lot to learn about voting systems (you should ditch the electoral college system and implement a nation-wide optional preferential voting system which is much more democratic), however Bush's margin over Kerry was signifcant, and the turn out was higher than normal, so you need to accept that most Americans who voted chose to support the Republicans in the 2004 election. BTW, If I was a US citizen I would have vote for Kerry as the least worst option, but quite frankly all the major political parties in the US are way too conservative compared to the choices I have in my homeland of Australia (I voted for the australian democrats and preferenced the ALP, and went to anti-Iraq War rallies, but that doesn't mean I buy into your mad lunatic conspiracy theories).

You people need to realise that it's not everything that is wrong in the world is all the fault of evil, capitalist running-dogs.

Quote 05.Jan.2005 10:47

Thorstein Veblen

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn.

Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

no, show us the full quote from the primary source 05.Jan.2005 13:39

annoyed and educated leftie

This isn't a primary source, it's an extracted quote from a document you haven't provided - and it's got some handy ...
in the middle of it. Without the actual document, who knows what he's really said. Produce the primary source of the interview.
There are plenty of real things to get upset about with the American government instead of peddling silly conspiracy theories.

If the US government is so all powerful, and you guys know the "truth", why aren't they stopping you from posting this stuff.
Are you saying they can cause earthquakes, but not block content they don't like on the internet?

legitimate link to cohen comment 05.Jan.2005 15:49



Whatya Know 05.Jan.2005 19:07


Gee, now that a full link has been provided, I don't see any further yammering from the uneducated leftie(?).

LEFTIST IDIOTs 05.Jan.2005 20:06


Somebody give that leftist a right, ...across the chops!

We who have our good senses still intact will always be butting heads with everything from literally demon possessed creeps to brainwashed and flushed-out airheads.

Just check out the hordes of evidence out there now on 9-11.

It's looking more and more like there was even a base of operations nearby in another highrise that carried out the onsight coordination.

Then we have the younger Bush son as head of a company in business at the WTC in the perfect position to coordinate or provide the nessessary cover stories required to conceal the teams that planted those demolitions that took the two towers down. Created so much powdery white dust that anyone could see massive explosions took place. The rubble was not at all like a collapse. It was a disintigrated heap of fragmented blown up bits.

About the tsunami being a darksdide operation too. Much more data will be POURING IN on that i'm sure. So far it looks like some of the characteristic waves that should have been registered on the seismic recorders are absent. Indicating "something else" other than normal tectonic-plate friction set the largest quake in 40 years off.

It get's more and more interesting by the day -- this so-called "natural" distaster.

Meanwhile the 4th Reich marches on and gains power...

you guys are crazy 05.Jan.2005 23:50

educated and annoyed leftie

Firstly - I haven't responded till now because I'm not on the internet 24 hours a day, and have to do things like sleep and go to work.

Ok, now that a legit link to the full interview has been provided, here's the relevant question and the full answer:

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

-So from this answer, you suddenly decide that these weapons exist? All he's claiming is that some countries may be trying to create eco-terrorist weapons - he doesn't say that these weapons have been successfully built. There are plenty of people out there who try to build perpetual motion machines even though they are physically impossible - but please, don't stop clutching at straws. Maybe it's all the fault of a James Bond-style super-villian living in an underground complex somewhere?

This is up there with the whacky HAARP caused Columbia to explode theories that were kicking around a year or so ago (see the following discussion:  http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=64264 ).

shut up or put up 06.Jan.2005 01:04


"Firstly - I haven't responded till now because I'm not on the internet 24 hours a day,"

Post your video or shut up.

Lousy Spin 06.Jan.2005 21:28


-"So from this answer, you suddenly decide that these weapons exist? All he's claiming is that some countries may be trying to create eco-terrorist weapons - he doesn't say that these weapons have been successfully built."

Here's what Cohen said: "Others [terrorists] ARE engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they CAN alter the climate, set off earthquakes..."

ARE...CAN...not maybe

Sorry, but you're wrong again. Thanks for playing, though.

to a couple Phony posters, ...LEFTY, etc 07.Jan.2005 14:40


Where are you from "lefty"?? Did you get a green-card for this and a stipend to spend the day on forums like these, ...obfuscating the truth nonstop 24/7 and the free flow of honest debate??

Just look at these posts from these creeps. They fail the test of logic. Just focusing on Cohen's comments for instance. Just picking up that point to play with and bat around. To just try to fool with our heads

Cohen is nothing in this situation. The real discussion is about the major advances in technology that exit today outside of our view in secret and which are sadly in the hands now of the hijacked Govs of the major World Powers. A real emergency with a dire future if left to rot as is. The stench fortunately has one positive. Many more decent human beings on our planet are becoming alerted and alarmed. A HEALTHY AWAKENING is occuring among us.


Now we have the UN and World Bank, two of the most sickening sleazeball operations in human history, ...moving into the vast parts of the World decimated by the super-tsunami wave of Dec-26.

We have top USA military planners advancing militarily into the region, a Muslim stronghold, in the wake of this tragidy. How convinient. We really should have more of these 9+ mag Earthquakes don't you think? If you are "them" they're wonderful opportunities.

The one ot two million lost are only going to be a problem for "them" when it's realized many tens of thousands of those were wealthy individuals on vacation. So there we have it. The true nature of the New World Order. It's really all for the benefit of a very few who are meglamanicly insane. Satanic dupes actually.

I am keeping tabs of where this discussion is going. Allow me to vent some disgust in my comments. I assure you they're level headed. Let's honest good guys just keep tabs on this tsunami situation and watch for clues on what's really going on. The couple phony posters around here are just putting on the argument that "if you can't see it -- it don't exist". And we're all crazy for suspecting the worst. Yeah right! After the 9-11 scam we wised up. Our families and humanity are ubder attack now and much greater than ever before.

Scalar earthquake? 07.Jan.2005 16:40

fugitive initiate

Another interesting slant on the story:

Scalar Wars in Indonesia?

On December 17, 2004, President Bush issued an executive order, giving the United States universal control over the world's oceans, for security or development purposes.(1) Nine days after this order was issued, a cataclysmic event occurred in the region of Aceh, Indonesia.

Is it a coincidence that the epicenter of the earthquake which triggered the deadly tsunami in the
Indian Ocean was centered on Aceh, a small area on the northern tip of Indonesia? Aceh is extremely rich in many resources, including exotic flora and fauna, huge mineral deposits and extensive mining operations, and one of the world's largest deposits of liquid natural gas.

Is it possible that this disaster is from a scalar/HAARP type strike, as many believe was the case in the destruction of Bam, Iran, exactly a year earlier to the day?
FULL ARTICLE PLUS PICS at www.ConspiracyNewsNet.com/shadow.html

Charlie Repents while Amadou Decks Lefty 07.Jan.2005 16:58


That's right, columbo.
He opens his post with a disclaimer that leaves ya feelin' like used toilet paper,
and when he can't discredit the source, he misquotes it.
Lame, lefty.
very lame.

Opportunity Knocks 08.Jan.2005 19:20

Thorstein Veblen

The Chinese word for "crisis" also means "opportunity". Perhaps they're a little more clued in than we are.

With the death toll now up to 150,000, and rampant disease on the way, this crisis has given our favorite despots a grand opportunity to:

1. Stomp on Muslims throughout the area

2. Cash in on reconstruction and oil production

3. Lure India out of the new alignment with Russia, China, and Brazil

They will succeed on the first two, but fail on the third. India has already told us to stay out, and they mean business. Cheney has probably bitten a corner off of his desk over it.

It sure was convenient to have all those vessels stuffed with troops arrive in a jiffy. America was there to save the day. See how good we can be if we try?

Indonesian have no scientist to just learn and know about Haarp? Wrong answer! 09.Jan.2005 00:30

trust from 3410f 62

For informal meeting in this forum, this is so disguisting me. We all know that is was haarp tech invasion in indonesia but is there anybody can move out and do something important to save our planet? no men ! you all just like my funny ass. you 'd better talk with a small of referrence of relate links that can be responsible and justified. we have to do something more important, e.g. collecting the truth, associate the links and compare and anythig like that

Project Woodpecker 09.Jan.2005 21:20


In the Tulsa World (1-11-94), there was a small article entitled: "Weapons Designers Win Secret Award". It said this: "The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory won an award. The staff is very proud. The award is on display. But, they can't say what the honor was for. It's a secret. .Its 21 member "Project Woodpecker" team was cited. It won the Intelligence Community Seal Medallion. That's an award from the CIA and National Security Agency. The citation says the award was for solving complex problems."

PROJECT WOODPECKER pertains to the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating Method" now being used to alter the earth's magnetic field---inorder to modify weather, create or trigger earthquakes and volcanoes, spread viruses, create the phenomenom known as "electromagnetic pulse", and, to modify behavior control among the populous. The HAARP (i.e. High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) transmitter site, that is located NE of Gakona, AK, is large enough to cover most of the Northern Hemisphere. It is however but one of other such sites (some of which are known as "Ionospheric Research Instruments") scattered around the world. And, many of them here in the U.S. are able to tie into the much smaller GWEN (i.e. Ground Wave Emergency Network) remotely controlled transmitter sites that have been built all over the U.S. in a grid pattern, with their antennas spaced about every 200 miles or so.

The original research concerning the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating Method" was done by Nickola Tesla, and later expanded upon by not only Soviet scientists, but also by U.S. scientists, such as Bernard J. Eastland---a scientist who was associated with ARCO (Atlantic Richfield Oil Co.). ARCO has traditionally been controlled by members of the CFR (i.e. Council on Foreign Relations). Eastland, who was the "front man", now resides in TX. He transferred the patent rights to APTI, Inc. (i.e. ARCO Power Technologies Industry, Inc.) in the late 1980s, which was a Los Angeles, CA subsidiary of ARCO. APTI, Inc. then sold out to "E-Systems" on June 10, 1994, which company has pretty much, over the years, been under the control and influence of the CIA. On April 3, 1995, "E-Systems" sold out to the still larger Raytheon Corp. I don't know what has happened, by way of "transfers" since that time.

The U.S. and the Soviet Union first began secret cooperation on world weather engineering in about 1971. On July 4, 1976, the Soviets began generating powerful electromagnetic transmissions, that were dubbed "The Russian Woodpecker" by western ham radio operators. On June 18, 1977, the US government OFFICIALLY became covert partners with the Soviets in these operations by sending them sophisticated scientific material and equipment for further research and development. The secret code name given US operations was Project Woodpecker. The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory located at Livermore, CA was and is the main research center for US development of the Project. Covert funding for the Project was funneled through the CIA and the National Security Agency. The DOD and NASA have, of course, been cooperating in the Project from the beginning stages.

On Jan. 10, 1985 there was officially filed of record a Patent No. 4,686,605 entitled: a "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere". The Patent was approved on Aug. 11, 1987. This Patent explains and describes the "Electron Cyclotron Resonance Heating" method that is presently being covertly and cooperatively used by the two super powers to help bring about their coveted NEW WORLD ORDER, which is a "One World Government".

In 1993, researchers announced that they had discovered (back as early as perhaps 1985) a never before seen network of rivers, some of which flow for thousands of miles ABOVE earths surface, that transport as much water in the form of vapor as the Amazon River. Apparently, these narrow streams of ATMOSPHERIC rivers are transient, but at any given time, there are at least a few of them in the atmosphere, typically around five in each Hemisphere. The longest of them runs for about 4800 miles. They are generally about 150 miles wide (the largest being almost 500 miles wide), and about a mile deep, with some 364 million pounds of vapor flowing past a given spot each SECOND---which is comparable to an average flow of the Amazon River. These atmospheric rivers are flowing at an altitude of no more than 1.9 miles above the earth's surface, which makes them readily reachable by low pressure weather cells. In general, the atmospheric rivers head for the poles, but on the way, they can get deflected by the earth's Jet Stream. Their flow originates from along the equator. These vapor rivers sometimes get sucked into low pressure systems, and are the major sources of the massive flows of water that rains out of the storms and into the sky river's counterparts on land. US and Soviet scientists are now cooperatively "tracking" these atmospheric rivers for use in covert activities of Project Woodpecker.

In order to fully understand how the conspirators are able to use high powered r.f. transmissions to trigger earthquakes and/or volcanoes, one must have some knowledge of the "principle of sympathetic vibratory resonance". Von Nostrand's SCIENTIFIC ENCYCLOPEDIA (Seventh Edition) defined RESONANCE: "Every physical system (i.e. all bodies, structures, mediums, etc.) has one or more NATURAL (or Fundamental) VIBRATION FREQUENCIES, characteristic of the system itself and deterrmined by constants pertaining to the system.If such a system is given impulses with some arbitrary frequency, it will necessarily vibrate with that frequency, even though it is not one of those NATURAL to it." These "forced vibrations" may be very feeble, but if the impressed frequency is varied, the response becomes rapidly more vigorous whenever any one of the NATURAL (i.e. Fundamental or a harmonic of that Fundamental) frequencies is approached. Its amplitude often increasing many fold as an exact synchronism (i.e. or at a harmonic of the NATURAL) frequency is reached. This effect is known as RESONANCE. The greatest vibration will be induced in a system at its NATURAL or FUNDAMENTAL frequency (or at a harmonic thereof).

The Earth's NATURAL (or Fundamental) frequency (also sometimes referred to as the Schumann Resonance) is about 10 Hz. This appears to be the Resonant Frequency of our Galaxy, so, all bodies, structures, mediums, etc. within our particular Galaxy will be found to be RESONANT at either this Natural frequency or around 10 Hz, or at a harmonic thereof.

In the triggering of Earthquakes or Volcanoes, the trick is in determining the unique resonant frequency of the Earth's mantle AT THAT PARTICULAR SPOT (or target!) ON THE EARTH. Once the conspirators determine this, they can unleash an ELF carrier frequency through the earth, and then SUPERIMPOSE the harmonic frequency of the "target zone" using a second set of transmitters. This might be called: "Selective Targeting". Of course, the conspirators will also have predetermined that the target zone will have built up enough stress within the zone to be "ripe" for activation.

This system of using ELF radio waves as a technique has many other applications. Not only is it being used to artificially trigger earthquakes and volcanoes, to develop high and low pressure weather cells that are used to steer the Jet Streams, to transport and deposit microscopic entities such as viruses and chemical agents, but, they are able to create a phenomenon known as an earth damaging "electromagnetic pulse" (EMP).

To understand how they do it, one must have at least some knowledge about the earth's magnetic field. The earth's magnetic field is comprised of atoms which are gyrating about a magnetic field line as its guiding center. The atoms are comprised of negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons. If you would look at a cross section of earth at the equator, you would see a solid core at the center, ringed by a liquid layer of molten iron, which is in turn surrounded by the solid mantle and crust. Within the liquid layer are several constantly circulating streams of iron called convection cells which work like oval conveyor belts. Driven by heat from the core, material in these cells rises towards the mantle, where it cools and sinks back down, until the heat pushes it up again. Geologists believe, that after these cells formed, early in the earth's history, the weak magnetic field that permeates the galaxy generated in them an electric current which in turn generated the earth's "magnetic field".

Now, inorder for you to understand how the magnetic field lines of our earth work, you must understand the basic principal of how a simple "magnet" works. And, the way that most of us learned it back in our earlier school years, was WRONG WRONG WRONG! There is a "old concept" and, a "new concept" of the laws of magnetism. In the "new concept", you will note that there is a "NEGATIVELY charged NORTH MAGNETIC POLE, and, a POSITIVELY charged SOUTH MAGNETIC POLE. (Draw it out on a piece of paper). The atom leaves the South Magnetic Pole spinning to the right (or clockwise). It then dips to the surface of the earth (at its Equator), and changes its spin (or phase relationship) by 180 degrees. When it leaves the Magnetic Equator of the Earth, it travels with a left (or counterclockwise) spin to re-enter the earth at the North Magnetic Pole. The negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons both follow helical paths around a field line, but they rotate at a certain gyromagnetic or 'CYCLOTRON FREQUENCY' in opposite directions. There is therefore linear movement along the earth's magnetic field lines. Thus, one can see, that this change in phase relationship between electrons and protons creates a different potential of magnetic energy in the Northern as compared to the Southern Hemisphere. By way of analogy, winds in low pressure weather cells circulate counterclockwise in the Northern Hemisphere, but they circulate clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere.

When side-by-side earth magnetic field lines are "altered" by speeding up one line's flow of negatively charged electrons, the magnetic field strength will combine to form a larger and stronger field. If the electron flow around one line is reversed or slowed down, the magnetic field strength between any two lines can be made to oppose each other and tend to cancel or lessen the magnetic field strength. The "force of gravity" in that particular local can thus be made to increase or decrease.

The atmospheric media that is being crossed by the earth's magnetic field lines is itself comprised of various molecules whose elements have different energy levels and which gyrate at different frequencies. Relatively recent discoveries have established that there are naturally occurring radiation belts (sometimes referred to as the Van Allen belts) of trapped ionized particles, which particles bounce or oscillate back and forth at a specific cyclotron frequency, between so-called magnetic mirrowed boundaries, along the earth';s magnetic field lines. The scientific conspirators have also discovered that they can artificially increase the density of the charged particles within these radiation belts, and even create a radiation belt where none had existed, by injecting large clouds of gases---such as lithium, barium, hydrogen, etc.---from orbiting satellites or from earth launched rockets. These injected gases become ionized by the ultraviolet light of the sun, and by injecting them at a certain critical velocity. The procedure is enhanced when they are injected during periods of so-called "high tidal forces"---such as at New or Full Moon. And, when the Moon is at "perigee" and/or when it is over the "Equator". Also, when the Sun is directing large Solar Flares and/or Coronal Ejections towards the Earth.

By using extremely high powered radio transmitters to transmit a "tuned circular polarized ELF radio wave along or parallel to selected earth magnetic field lines, the charged electrons within that radiation belt will become "excited" or "heated". This causes the charged particles to move outward in a "plum" out of their mirrowed boundaries. The plume of heated rising plasma is replaced by new plasma within the radiation belt. The aforementioned Patent states that temperature within the target radiation belt can be raised by hundreds of degrees, which incidentally is sufficient to cause an air glow or a phenomenon known as aurela boralis. This might be the only way that you might know that such covert operations are taking place. There may also be a sonic boom or noise that might occur from the rf bombardment. To continue: The kinetic energy of the moving particles so developed is on the same order of magnitude as the total kinetic energy of stratospheric winds known to exist. These changes in temperature and winds aloft gives rise to the creation of high and/or low pressure weather cells that can alter the paths of the earth's Jet Streams. By using multiple transmitters, these weather cells can be made to move or hover over selective locations on earth, thus causing torrential damaging moisture to occur in some areas, while devastating droughts are made to occur in other areas. When the electromagnetic energy is suddenly released (by DECREASING the earth's magnetic field strength along that specific earth magnetic field line), the low pressure cell with its rising plume of air can be made to collapse---thus dumping the high winds and moisture that was present in that particular cell. This would be called a microburst by the weather guys reporting on your local TVs. These damaging hurricane strength winds would be "straight line winds".

When the rf bombardment of a target radiation belt is extremely powerful, the negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons can be forceably made to separate. This will cause an earth damaging electromagnetic pulse to occur, that is similar to lightning. This EMP will couple to surface antennas and power transmission lines, which will destroy sensitive electronic equipment. Thus, power outages can be so induced over selective targets.

skeptical no more 10.Jan.2005 01:06


Thanks, Cal.

Internet info "allowed" 10.Jan.2005 12:53


Concerning the above comment "Are you saying they can cause earthquakes, but not block content they don't like on the internet?" from educated and annoyed leftie on 05.Jan.2005 13:39 titled: no, show us the full quote from the primary source.

No offence but there could be a possibility that information might be allowed on the internet because those expressing ideas etc can then be identified and monitored. It's like facilitating your enemy to stand up and wave shouting Hey, I'm over here. There's a lot of computer spyware around. And those anti-virus programs, well, I gave up on them when it became obvious my PC was infected but the programs wouldn't or couldn't shift the bugs. Maybe certain websites such as this one are monitored by a Pentagon or something department and some of us are on a list somewhere. And when we use certain keywords on our PC a blip comes up on a screen somewhere when we are online or go online later. Well, something like that. I am an uneducated unalloyed Biffo but thanks for letting me try and say something here. This site's not just for the clever and articulate I hope.

PS Just a thought and forgive me all for adding a tangent to this thread but maybe I don't need no brand name anti-virus stuff anymore now coz if there is Pentagon etc spyware on my PC, I would imagine that it wants to look after it's host and thus any other malicious script would be neutralised by the spyware. So, intrigue the Pentagon etc by expressing and passing on left wing conspiratorial views and they will unwittingly, by spying on you, protect your PC from viruses for you. Or, of course, get a Mac, as the majority of viruses are designed to work on PC's and Microsoft stuff etc.

PPS but then, oh dear, having your address via your PC 'they' will be able to alter your thoughts and molecular structure via satellite beams. Damn. Is that why I get so easily confused of late? Bah.

Why 10.Jan.2005 14:09

Thorstein Veblen

Why are you here, leftie? And, why did you repeat the same post? God, you're annoying.

The Other Tsunami ...by John Pilger 10.Jan.2005 18:48


An interesting perspective on the tsunami i thought matched well with this thread. To help us understand the total picture better. Nothing technical about earthquake science, ...just an analysis of the top scams in this World that in reality decimate many more people each year than this tsunami.


Not preaching i hope -- just exercising my free speech 12.Jan.2005 15:58


I should have made the caveate that John Pilger is not a completely honest reporter. He, like Greg Palast, are comprimsers. Due mainly to the enormity of the corruption out there. They cannot report the entire truth and still remain syndicated columnists and earn a living as such. These two guys do however genuinely report what they "can" within their "self-imposed limits".

They nonetheless serve a purpose where they are and do a considerable amount of shining the light on mega-corruption.

Somebody like Dr. Len Horowitz is an excellent example of one of us. Totally free and clear and honest reporting of the facts that damn the deceptions totally. Every which way reality makes nessessary.

There is much info pouring in on the tsunami on the various alternative news websites. But it seems the real final conclusions are awhile away yet. Speculation takes awhile to process. Some time will be needed for for instance whistleblowers on the inside to reveal what they have for the sane World to do something about. Those of us not into genocidal mania and engineering humanity like as if it were a herd of cattle. You know the drill.

Like as if we are the ONLY intelligient beings in a Universe of over 50 billion seperate Galaxies. Odds are a sure bet indeed that not everyone out there is "friendly". Hardly. The only rational course for humanity is to stop being so awefully inhuman to each other. If this tsunami were 'manufactured' as it sure looks like it was -- then it's a sign of more like this to come. And WWIII, when Russia finally has had it's fill of putting up with the USA Military mocking them. There is no way to stop even just 100 nukes sent our way. Let alone thousands.

The main problem appears to be an outside enemy manipulating the human race. I realize there are sceptics here. But the evidence for what are known as "demons" is huge. Whatever they are, ...they represent "another player" in the total picture. Combined with our second great problem, some people who become totally wicked, such as certain bankers, royals etc, ...and their legions of bought and payed for servants.

It's really a matter of who is going to win. Us or "them". Informing as many good people of the truth is the thing that could turn it all around for the better. Mankind is actually brilliant. Most of us are very capable and amazing creatures. When not stomped on, taxed, cheated, doped, lied to and forced into infinite debts. All those oppressions and also over-indulgences stoked like fires such as porn and greed and false religions add to humanities dire straights.

What John Pilger takes notice of in his piece is a thing that is most interesting about mankind. Deep down 90+ % of us, when shaken out of stupor by a mass tragedy like this tsunami, express a love for each other as human beings. Regardless of race, creed, religion etc.

Divide and conquer therefor is GOAL NUMBER ONE of all those seeking total World control by a few control freaks. "THEM".

It really is a battle between "us and them". Everyone with a love of mankind verses everyone with a hatred of same.

There is a great complication we students of 'what is really going on' must deal with that is caused by "extremely radical men". ...Such as the teachers of radical Islam. But far more dangerous are the much more radical ones with MUCH more real power. They have been stealing for centuries the wealth they now control. They have hordes the advanced technologies. Put a spigot on them. Suppressed most of it. They have basically "radicallized" humanity and made it as a whole, something extremely unstable. As a result, our combined future as mankind is being made grim.

Compare it to 1930's Chicago and that level of mafia corruption spreading throughout the entire World. We need heroes and everyone good also becoming heroic -- if we ever are going to stop the madness and turn things around. Peace and strength and harmony among all men. Is it attainable? If not, ...mankind will just be a total pushover someday. I believe the Scriptures and Bible prophecy. But to those of you who don't, there's an equal logic that shows an infinite importance of sane thinking and action...

...Preserving the human race from self destruction. Or better said, ...civil war. Us verses them. Or still more aptly described, ...stopping the hijacking of the plane and preventing them from crashing it into the ground.

The banksters don't want mankind strong. They want serfs. The old way of the past 6000 years. Them as rulers. Plus the nessessary enforcer class as the herders. And everyone else re-engineered into being better worker bees. Cattle. Sick shit. Not at all what we are capable of achieving as humanity.

The love in most of us is alive towards each other. So is the righteous indignation to sick shit. There is hope. Among our current generation at least. Hope of restraining evil yet another 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 years. Our generation is our responsiblity. The key tactical battle seems to be over who is going to control the advancing technologies. The advantages of high tech are just too great to loose to evil. If it's "them" who have that advantage, we as man are going to be defeated and mankind destroyed. Simple as that.

The stiffling and crippling of our potential under a serfdom will make us weak players in the Universe. Our uncontrolled radicals a threat to peace everywhere. Somebody stronger would be very wise to just stop that threat before mankind ever got much further beyond our own solar system. Or even just off this planet. I believe in Bible prophecy but i think no matter what you believe -- in the final analysis the results are the same -- unrestrained evil will result in a final judgement by somebody much stronger who DOES NOT WANT that evil to spread any further than the confines of where it is now.

What's the next manufactured tsunami going to be 1000 years from now. A rift in space that shreads entire galaxies? Pardon the stretch. I'm just taking logic to it's possible conclusions. To illustrate a fact. We are not alone in this Universe. We are being observed by much higher powers. Those who created us.

controlled disasters by fema 27.Oct.2005 18:47

james d godoy

the question that everyone fails to ask is the roll of fema in this,if you read dr,john colmann,s paper (fema and your future)you will clearly begin to see the intentions behind these manufactured events,it is a must read for all of us to understand the power that fema gains during, wars,natural disasters and energy crisis,to cut the story short during occurance of any of these three event the constitution becomes anulled ,the congress becomes abolished and we basically loose all of our freedom,fema becomes our god and master,911 was orchestrated in order to establish forign terrorism and under the pretext of that to begin the attack on the us constitution,people wake up,the objective is not only to rise the oil price but also to destroy the constitution of the united states of america,,as dr,john colemann puts it we should resist that,,so it goes like this,,first they create the disaster than fema shows up to take you away and to put you in a concentration camp (jail)type thing ,right now they are busy rehersing for the big bang ,the dooms day is very near ,look out for fema