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MILITARY salute in USA became NAZI salute !!!!!!

the infamous straight-armed salute came from the military salute & the pledge of allegiance to the flag in the usa.
the USA's original Pledge of Allegiance
the USA's original Pledge of Allegiance
A new discovery shows that the straight-armed salute of the Nazi Party originated in the USA from the common military salute.  http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html

The military salute of the right hand to the forehead was used at the beginning of the original pledge of allegiance. The military salute was held for the phrase "I pledge allegiance" and then the right arm extended straight outward toward the flag for the rest of the chant. Historic photographs are linked at  http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html and at  http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html

The first description of the pledge by Francis Bellamy, author of the pledge, had the palm of the hand turned upward for the straight-armed gesture. The gesture changed in use, growing into the "Heil Hitler" appearance because of the military salute (palm down) extended casually straight toward the flag.

James Bailey Upham suggested to Bellamy part of the gesture (the straight-arm with the palm upward). Upham's suggested gesture (palm up) was like saying "Here is the flag." It was because of Bellamy's alteration (the addition of the military salute) that the pledge evolved into the Nazi-style.

The Nazi-style salute was then repeated in early famous movies in fictionalized Roman scenes. Germans learned American behavior via old films, via WWI, and via the widespread use of the straight-arm salute by German-American groups in the USA, that led to its adoption later by the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi Party).  http://rexcurry.net/pledgebund.html

The straight-arm salute was not a Roman salute. That is a myth debunked by the historian Rex Curry.  http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html

That is one of many reasons why Francis Bellamy and his also-famous cousin Edward Bellamy are known as the "American Hitlers" and as the first "American Nazis."  http://rexcurry.net/pledge1.html

The Bellamys were not libertarian. Bellamy wrote the pledge (1892) with the military salute because Bellamy was a self-proclaimed national socialist who promoted "military socialism" (a Bellamy term) and he wanted government to take over all schools, eliminate all of the better alternatives, and use government schools to create an "industrial army" (another Bellamy term) in order to nationalize the entire economy. That was the idea behind the pledge and a flag in every government school. It was the origin of the modern military-socialist complex. It resulted in racism and segregation imposed by law in government schools that served as an example to Nazis and outlasted them even into the 1960's.

Government schools teach that the pledge was created to sell flags to schools and Francis Bellamy is described as an advertising pioneer. That is a whitewashed piece of the whole story. A better description is that Bellamy was a propaganda pioneer, comparable to Leni Riefenstahl.

The World is owed an apology by the USA and by anyone who thinks that the military-socialism and salute of the Nazis originated in Germany. An American organization is lobbying for an official apology and is gaining support to set the record straight.  http://rexcurry.net/pledgeapology.html

homepage: homepage: http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html

what? 29.Dec.2004 17:48

a dumb amerikan

the next thing u know u will say the german genocide against the jews, gypsies, homosexuals, unionists, liberals and other enemies of the state came from the american eugenics program in the early part of the 20th century. or that henry ford contributed to hitler's anti-semeticism. or that the german geopolitican haushofer admired the american frontier as lebensraum and wanted to use eastern europe as a german lebensraum. or that the american industrial revolution influenced german post world war one industrialization.

how can u dare say america influenced such a diabolical regime like the nazis. u do not know how much u're suggestion has hurt my image of america. that implies that we good americans might even have connections to nazi germany. let me say president bush comes from a family that fought the nazis. that our troops do not wear helmets designed to look like german helmets. we do not use fancy geopolitical words to be used for psychological warfar like the nazi blitzkrieg. we use good words like shock and awe. we are not atheists or pagans like the were germans. may god bless america and our troops. sieg heil to our glorious leader.

nothing "new" here 29.Dec.2004 18:18

rico

this isn't a "new" discovery that just appeared; i recall reading about this back in college several decades ago.

I remember 29.Dec.2004 20:51

.

reading about it on indymedia last week!
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306779.shtml

why you know the salute 29.Dec.2004 22:03

dude

You really must be quite the salute researcher.

no one recalls this from college 30.Dec.2004 06:08

rexcurrydotnet

no one recalls this from college, other than perhaps realizing that the pledge used to have a straight armed salute. rexcurry.net is the first to show that it was the origin of the salute of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and that it also arose from the use of the military salute in the pledge, and that it was not a roman salute, but from the pledge. I dare anyone to show otherwise from an earlier source.  rexy@ij.net

so? 30.Dec.2004 10:21

Ben Maras

What would your point be? Are you next going to say that that because Hitler stole the swastika from the Native Americans that they are somehow evil? This is a sort of a guilt-by-association argument, saying that merely because the nazi's used this salute, that the salute itself (before Hitler adopted it) is evil. This takes it even one step further by saying that the people who innocently used it first are by proxy, evil. It's this sort of logical fallacy that is used a lot in discourcse, so I just thought I'd point out this loophole in reason.

-ben

SO??!!! 30.Dec.2004 12:13

rexcurrydotnet

What would your point be? Are you next going to say that Stalin's, Mao's, and Hitler's philosophy of socialism had nothing to do with their being evil? And nohting to do with their being the socialist trio of atrocities in committing the socialist wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part) the worst slaughter ever? Your comment about native americans just shows how on target the article above is, and how you have no manner to dispute it. Your comments takes it even one step further by saying that the people who openly worked in the USA for "military socialism" and "industrial armies" etc etc have nothing to do with anything. It's that sort of logical fallacy that is used a lot in discourse, so I just thought I'd point out this loophole in your reasoning.

It appears you missed the point 30.Dec.2004 15:00

WCM

Francis and Edward bellamy's intentions for the lyrics of the pledge, salute, and presence of flags is the point. These were men who were supportive of Nazi politics and wanted this to be here. They were pursuing this dream by way of this very tactic. They wanted the entire nation wrapped up in pride and ego to militarize it. The pledge of allegiance is a morally bankrupt practice at worst and completely a waste of children's time at best.

Hitler did not get the swastica from Native Americans. Like many symbols(the cross for example) the swastica has origins in multiple cultures. This does not necessarily mean they came from eachother. Hitler was inspired by Norse mythology/paganism. He used many symbols from this culture(Thor's hammer being one example) not because Norse culture is evil but to build the nation's pride in their history to swell their egos to the point of murderous vanity. The only inspiration that Hitler took from Native American experience was the aggressive campaign of genocide that almost destroyed them.

why must we compare Bush to Hitler? 31.Dec.2004 02:18

turd

Why does everyone have to claim Hitler and Bush are similar? Look they are not similar at all. Bush had a grandfather that helped the Nazis gain weapons ... Hitler did not. Bush is a reformed drunk... Hitler was not a drunk though he had syphillis, but that is not the same. Bush was a failed busnessman while Hitler was a rejected artist. Hitler was a vegitarian .. Bush is a vegitable. Beyond this I admit the similarities are erie.

uh... once again, so? 02.Jan.2005 00:33

Jesse

I have to agree with Ben. So they stole our salute. I'm not denying that tons of Nazi stuff came from this country, or that this country funded the nazis, or that the United States is often eerily similar to nazi Germany, but I don't see why I should give a shit about the salute. It's just a salute.
Also, I remember learning in 9th grade that the nazis got their salute from the americans.