Was the tsunami caused by a bomb?

there are sure a lot of oil there.

This may sound odd but could Chemtrails have caused a shift in the earth's plates?

If this event was man-made, likely it was catalyzed by HAARP, the us military's spacey and semi-secret weapon that charges our earth's ionisphere using the planet's largest electric generator.

Check google: "HAARP"

Read the unclassified data on HAARP and learn that it is supposed to be a weapon to upset the enemy economically, psychologically and geologically (all "theoretical" of course)

Now consider Asia's growing economic strength (the two highest skyscrapers are now in asia, by the way).

It is plausible that dr strangelove was poking around with GAIA's crust and caused this Tsunami.

Either way, the us military and the Bush family DID KILL 100,000 people in Iraq alone.

Or it could just have been a normal earthquake. Will we ever know? All will learn the Truth.

Now, enter the paid trolls into this thread, eh?

Where are US submarines that circle the oceans? Could they have known or felt tremors of an earthquake before it happened?

Why don't you learn a little about it?

I know, isn't it terrible we live in a world where we're so jaded and our gov't has lied to us so many other times that we wouldn't be surprised if they created this horrifying destruction?

But I think that bombs have their own "fingerprint" when they register on earthquake meters.
For earthquakes, they triangulate the separate readings to determine the source of the quake, which in this case was ____ miles under the surface. I think it would be too obvious to too many scientists that something had happened at the bottom of the ocean to instigate an earthquake.

"I think it would be too obvious to too many scientists that something had happened at the bottom of the ocean to instigate an earthquake."

You mean scientists like the ones who got censored by the corporate
media when they exposed the explosions taking place at the WTC
*before* the WTC buildings went down on 9/11?

Yeah, I think they would find it a little too obvious.
But then, who could they reach out to with that information when the
big media would not let them tell about it? ;-)

Yes, scalar does have a "fingerprint." They typically lack a p-wave when they are a "scalar EM hit". The Kobe earthquake in Japan, and one in San Fran a while back, I know, were missing this p wave. Likely if someone queried the people in the following article, they would relate the same thing:



Title: HAARP-watch: fake HAARP tremors rock earth deep beneath San Andreas Fault
Author: haarp-watch, Michel Chossudovsky
Date: 2004.12.11 07:02
Description: Mysterious tremors deep beneath the San Andreas Fault near the quake-prone town of Parkfield are shaking the earth's brittle crust, FAR BELOW THE REGION WHERE EARTHQUAKES NORMALLY STRIKE -- and scientists say THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING or what the motions mean. Seismic researchers are monitoring the strange vibrations..."..."We see this kind of tremor activity inside volcanoes like Mount St. Helens," Nadeau said, "but that's due to the movement of rising magma, and in the tremors we've recorded there's NO EVIDENCE OF VOLCANISM and NO SEISMIC WAVES TYPICAL OF ORDINARY EARTHQUAKES." "In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions."
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305741.shtml

1.


Sept AGSO Report On Tsunami-Quake Danger
For SW Sumatra
From Harry Mason
 orbitx@bigpond.com
12-29-4


Dear Jeff,

Interestingly with amazing prescient "co-incidence" The Australian GeoScience Organisation - AGSO - ran an article in its AUSTGEO NEWS for September 2004 about the risk factors for earthquakes and consequent tsunamis developing off the SW coast of Sumatra.

See attached pdf file - note the AGSO model for a possible SW Sumatra tsunamis and compare with the recent tsunamis animation just posted on the Jeff Rense site (from  http://iri.columbia.edu/~lareef/tsunami/ ).

AGSO got it nearly right but failed to (publicly at least ) predict that multiple earthquakes would let rip along most of the entire Sumatra-Andaman shear zone and that this would create multiple tsunamis and that these would funnel up the Bay of Bengal and across to Sri Lanka with such DEADLY force. The AGSO model showed the tsunamis vectoring SW into the un-inhabited section of the Indian Ocean.

This is similar to the amazing coincidence of the Worlds foremost authorities on earthquakes and seismic events being in Tokyo for a major conference when disaster struck Kobe a few years ago, or the marine survey being located off shore of southern New Guinea when the "on fire" tsunamis hit their north coast. None of these coincidences on their own are out of the question BUT when taken as a class one has to seriously wonder...

The BIG question is was this AGSO report just an amazing co-incidence or were they asked to model the SW Sumatra area by someone wanting to know what might happen if the plate boundary was tickled by energetic scalar EM ??? The same area of the 9.2 richter quake has been the site of deliberate use of scalar EM to whip up cyclones (hurricanes). A Malaysian newspaper ran that story a few years back implying a deal between the Malaysian government and a Russian state owned company to create a cyclone to push smoke from Indonesian forrest fires offshore. The actual cyclone creation event was visible on weather imagery shown on West Australian TV during the 7.00pm ABC weather news. It consisted of an annular ring say 50 miles in diameter consisting of multiple micro spirals (each say 5 miles in diameter) in edge contact - each micro-spiral being created sequentially until the annular ring was closed back to the first micro-spiral. Within a day the cyclone centred upon the angular ring had begun to spin up to full power.

If AGSO were "simply" being prescient their guys deserve high accolade. However prescience is not something for which AGSO is normally known.

However if the study was requested from "on high" we have a potential conduit to the source.

It will be interesting to see if AGSO suffers senior staff loss by suicide in the new year.

Best Regards,

Harry Mason


 http://www.rense.com/general61/ssag.htm

2.


Aceh Province stands out amid the disaster's deepening toll, not only because it was closest to the earthquake's epicenter, but because the disaster has intruded on a region in the grip of a civil war. Aceh has been under martial law since May of last year, when five months of peace talks between separatist rebels and the government broke down.

The president at the time, Megawati Sukarnoputri, dispatched 40,000 troops to secure the province, whose oil and gas resources are vital to government revenue. The government declared a cease-fire after the earthquake, and observers said the truce appeared to be holding, allowing relief workers to tend to survivors.

 http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/123004X.shtml

I'd rig it in the Indian ocean area, because there is nothing in the way of warning systems. ONLY PLACE WITHOUT TSUNAMI WARNING SYSTEM. Last tsunami: 500 years ago there. Therefore, you could really guage your Machiavellian effects of a hypothetical HAARP operation on an unsuspecting population. This hypothetical surprise would be closer to an actual test of an eco-terrorism scalar hit.

"A tsunami last crossed the Indian Ocean in 1509. Scientists had not expected anything close to the quake and killer waves that struck Sunday because 90 percent of tsunamis occur in the Pacific Ocean, where there are warning systems."

 http://www.rense.com/general61/ring.htm
 http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/37340.htm

Scientists in USA saw tsunami coming, opted for email warning after 20 minute standdown
[I sure hope I get an email warning form letter (sic) about an upcoming national disaster.]

In fact, the detector buoys that monitor tsunami surges have been available for decades. None placed there though.

Tue Dec 28, 7:11 AM ET

By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY

***Minutes after*** a massive earthquake rocked the Indian Ocean on Sunday, international ocean monitors knew that a tsunami would likely follow. But they didn't know whom to tell. [so they say]

[Though we knew within minutes, we took our time and crafted a great memo! Hey, didn't you read it! Didn't you get it!] "We put out a bulletin within 20 minutes, technically as fast as we could do it," says Jeff LaDouce of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. LaDouce says e-mails were dispatched to Indonesian officials, but he doesn't know what happened to the information. ["All that was important was to shift the blame from us to them, and once that was accomplished we could sit back and watch!"]

The problem is that Sunday's earthquake struck the unmonitored Indian Ocean. An international system of buoys and monitoring stations - the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center based in Hawaii - spans the Pacific, alerting nations there to any oncoming disasters. But no such system guards the Indian Ocean.

(There isn't one in the Atlantic Ocean because there are comparatively few earthquakes there.[yet!]
LaDouce says efforts are being made in the Caribbean to set up a warning system after last year's tsunami caused by the volcanic collapse on the island of Montserrat.)

"Sumatra has an ample history of great earthquakes, which makes the lack of a tsunami warning system in the Indian Ocean all the more tragic," says geologist Brian Atwater of the U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites). "Everyone knew Sumatra was a loaded gun."[heh heh, freudian slip?]

On Monday, Asian government officials, notably in India, discussed plans to coordinate efforts to develop an Indian Ocean system. "It's a people problem, not a technology problem," says geophysicist Teng-fong Wong of the State University of New York-Stony Brook. "Governments just have to cooperate." [and do what we say, or else.]

In fact, the detector buoys that monitor tsunami surges have been available for decades. They record water heights and send measurements throughout the Pacific network. False alarms are a concern, slowing the speed with which bulletins can be released. A 1986 false alarm [OR SIMPLY A GOV'T TEST?] in Hawaii cost more than $30 million in [tourist dollars] evacuation costs. [just to see how much it would cost.]

LaDouce notes that warnings are of little use without evacuation plans, given how quickly a tsunami can travel.[much faster than common emails, particularly after 20 minutes of waiting to send it.]

Tsunami waves struck Sumatra minutes after the quake and hit Thailand within an hour.

"Even if you give the tourist resorts in Thailand a half-hour's notice, it is no easy matter to evacuate vast swaths of coastland," he says. "You have to plan and train people. And then do it all over again."

 link to story.news.yahoo.com

Deigo Garcia Military Base Unaffected By Tsunamis
ABC.net
12-28-4


The key United States military base in the Indian Ocean has been unaffected by the tsunamis which have devastated parts of Asia, The Washington Post has reported.

Diego Garcia, a British territory about 1,500 kilometres south of India, hosts about 3,200 US military personnel and civilian contractors and many US long-range bombers and Navy ships.

Lieutenant Colonel Bill Bigelow, a spokesman for US Pacific Command in Hawaii told the newspaper the US base was apparently safe.

"There are no reports of any damage there," Lt Col Bigelow said.

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200412/s1273118.htm

What a lot of silliness! People, if you want to ponder events like these in scientific terms then at least learn a little science. In this case, try Geology 101, etc.

Seriously, what I am seeing here is the same hubris about all powerful MAN as we get from the folks who think there is nothign wrong with the way we are destroying the environment (as if it were not our environment too).

We are PUNY compared to a magnitude 8+ earthquake. Puny compared even compared to a fair sized volcanic erruption (and all our atomic bombs not a flea bite compared to the type of massive erruption that leaves behind a still smoking Yellowstone hundredfs of thousands of years later). We are NOT "the rulers of the universe", all powerful beings of some sort so stop thinking that way.

PS --- a bit of Geogrpahy too --- Diego Garcia is not a "low island" and its original value as a naval base was precisely because of deep harbors surrounded by wind breaking highlands. At a military base people are not sitting around sunning themselves on the beach all day. The airfields weren't built where they would be subject to a major storm, high enough above water so that even a dead center hit by a typhoon wouldn't take them out.

So you don't EXPECT casualties from a tsunami here, not significant numbers anyway, and preparation is not relevant. I don't think that the old US Pacific base of Wake Island is still in use or the seaplane facility at French Frigate Shoals but were they and were there an tsunami event of this sort to happen near then NO PRPARATIONS would have helped.

check out full article
 link to www.independent-media.tv


December 28, 2004




Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy? - Independent Media TV - Article - 2004-12-28
The Oil industry has been doing a great deal of seismic tests near Tasmania, Australia and there have been whale beachings, and recent earthquakes in the region. There was a magnitude 8.1 earthquake near Tasmania, Australia 2 days before the 9.0 Earthquake in Indonesia. Coincidently, the Australian tectonic plate intersects with the Indian tectonic plate at the exact point of the 9.0 earthquake which has killed tens of thousands of people.

"What a lot of silliness! People, if you want to ponder events like these in scientific terms then at least learn a little science."


Read the above. YOU should update your science.

Earthquakes and tsunamis by HAARP design are possible, very possible.

Um... if they could do this to Asia... why didn't they do it to Iraq?

I'd also like to point out that a 9.0 quake is like, at least a hundred times more powerful than an 8.1, i doubt any human technology is yet capable of that.

is it hard for some of you to read while wearing those tinfoil hats?

If the government has the capability to trigger earthquakes, why hasn't (heavily Democratic-voting) L.A. fallen into the ocean yet, or Portland/Seattle crushed by very natural-seeming earthquakes? Destroy the major west coast cities and the republicans will never lose a presidential election again.

Jeezus, you conspiracy nuts make me embarrassed to read indymedia. It seems like your knowledge of geology comes from comic books and sci-fi movies. Stop wasting your time and ours by blaming Dr. Evil for an event that originated miles underneath the ocean floor.

Next you'll tell us they have the power to trigger solar flares so they can disable our telecommunications satellites when convenient. The Aurora Borealis is just a spectacular distraction from the real news the media is hiding. That snowstorm in the midwest last week was cloud-seeded and timed so that they would have to stop talking about the vote recount in Ohio. The constant rain and drizzle here in Portland is government-made, with the intended effect to cause depression and lethargy among leftist dissidents. Oops, I forgot -- all those natural phenomena have been happening for BILLIONS of years before there were humans on earth.

"Um... if they could do this to Asia... why didn't they do it to Iraq?"

They did. Or Bam, Iran which suffered a huge destructive "quake."

You don't buy it? What do you buy, dear?

Completely natural weather, earthquakes, and volcanos ARE OVER HISTORICALLY. Deal with it.

"Next you'll tell us they have the power to trigger solar flares so they can disable our telecommunications satellites when convenient."

I am unaware of any solar flare programs, though definitely the Pentagon wants to manipulate what they call modifying "space weather" and to deny satellite transmissions. This would have the same effect as solar flares. Thanks for bringing that up troll-baby. Same effect though.

The Pentagon quote: "Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or ***to modify space weather,*** ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power. (US Air Force, emphasis added. Air University of the US Air Force, AF 2025 Final Report,  http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/

Any more questions, troll? You are seriously outclassed here you know that right? Get your facts straight.

There is too much information now, and they look far too idiotic after the many scams we've experienced, to come off as sensible.

True, the EQ may have been coincidence. But why assume that if you plan on surviving in an era of 2004-version fascism? (that being fascism on steriods and with even SPACE already coming under complete domination by Bush-Hilter, not just countries in the EU.)

"In 2025, US aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications."

If they're planning to "own" the weather in 2025 they must
already have the tech available, though maybe not as a perfect
and predictable weapon. Very interesting!

"Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this paper is to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather-modification system to achieve military objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road map."

Oops!

"A high-risk, high-reward endeavor, weather-modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary."

I would say that's straight from the horse's mouth.

Ladies and gents, I believe that together with the known historical
facts of tsunami activity in the Indian ocean, the dec 27 tsunami
is proving to have been yet one more convenient test case for the
Bush administration and the U.S. corporate military.

Thanks for the excellent digging "me"!

 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

Also check out the participant list!
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/projpart.htm

And the "Key Players"
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/players.htm

The three "Volume 5: Information Warfare" links;

Knowledge Warfare: Shattering the Information War Paradigm
INCAPACATTACK: The Strings of the Puppet Master
C-Net Attack

all links to the same page saying;

"Volume 5: Information Warfare

NOTE: Papers included with this volume are classified. Individuals with appropriate clearances may request copies by contacting the Defense Technical Information Center at:

Phone:

Commercial (703) 767-8274 or DSN 427-8274

Write To:

Defense Technical Information Center
ATTN: DTIC-BRR
8725 John J. Kingman Road, Suite 0944
Ft. Belvior VA 22060-6218

This document was last modified on: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:00:24 GMT"

Does anyone with "appropriate clearances" have any hints to give
on what those sinisterly titled topics discuss?

But it would be nice if you could provide proof of your conclusions. You have not. And calling people Troll just because they can't be hoodwinked by you is just a camoflage that YOU HAVE NO PROOF.

Who was it that said earlier... "just the facts?" The fact that the US Air force has studied the use of "weather" control, weather meaning rain and fog, does not prove that the US caused an earthquake.

Earthquakes are not weather, nor are they rain or fog.

The idea that the US or any other country might want to experiment with or use earthquakes, if they have the technology is not outlandish, however you are not showing that they have done so, can do so, or planned to do so. If you can do that, please do. If not, keep yelling TROLL to deflect any reasonable discourse on this subject.

"Earthquakes are not weather, nor are they rain or fog."


No, they aren't. That is correct. However, you are wrong if it is to be implied that the same tech-roads for earthquake manufacture fail to lead back to weather/fog/stormes/hurricane manufacture technology. Since --

-- Earthquakes programs lead back to HAARP.
-- Fake volcanic activity leads back to HAARP.
-- chemtrails and storm creation (chemical aerosols, or in their military speak "aerial obscuration") leads back to HAARP.

Therefore, if everything in this vein leads back to HAARP, and they are indeed on record to wanting to use ALL THIS by 2025, they are damn well sure going to be experimenting with all three HAARP-related applications as we speak, well beforehand.

Personally, I would love to see someone analyze telltale artificiality of the seismic waves, which is possible, and has been noted in several past "fake earthquakes" before in San Francisco, Kobe, and the one on the San Andreas recently. Did they test out the "strength" of the application in a domestic operation (easier to cover up), on a similar sensitive fault line, before 'exporting' it via the woodpecker grid? [On the woodpecker grid, see the below link and commentary with lots more information about HAARP interconnections.]

THIS HAPPENS TWO WEEKS BEFORE SUMATRA

Title: HAARP-watch: fake HAARP tremors rock earth deep beneath San Andreas Fault
Author: haarp-watch, Michel Chossudovsky
Date: 2004.12.11 07:02 [THIS HAPPENS TWO WEEKS BEFORE SUMATRA]

Description: Mysterious tremors deep beneath the San Andreas Fault near the quake-prone town of Parkfield are shaking the earth's brittle crust, FAR BELOW THE REGION WHERE EARTHQUAKES NORMALLY STRIKE -- and scientists say THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING or what the motions mean. Seismic researchers are monitoring the strange vibrations..."..."We see this kind of tremor activity inside volcanoes like Mount St. Helens," Nadeau said, "but that's due to the movement of rising magma, and in the tremors we've recorded there's NO EVIDENCE OF VOLCANISM and NO SEISMIC WAVES TYPICAL OF ORDINARY EARTHQUAKES." "In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the "Star Wars" Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural, ecological, and seismic/tectonic systems of entire regions."
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305741.shtml

SAYS THESE UNKNOWN SUPER DEEP "EVENTS" STARTED THREE YEARS AGO, PLAYING ON A KNOWN "SUPER-QUAKE" AREA

1. Robert Nadeau, a geophysicist at the UC Berkeley Seismological Laboratory, has charted more than 110 of the faint vibrations since they were first detected by the lab's High Resolution Seismic Network in Parkfield three years ago. What concerns Nadeau and his colleagues is that the epicenter of the great 1857 Fort Tejon earthquake, whose magnitude has been estimated at 7.8 to 8, was located almost exactly where the deep tremors are now occurring -- beneath the San Luis Obispo County village of Cholame, some 17 miles south of Parkfield. It is now 148 years since the Fort Tejon event,

THEY ARE PULSED, AND THEY ARE NO WHERE NEAR "REAL EARTHQUAKE" ZONES IN THE CRUST

2. The episodes of chatter last from four to 20 minutes and are being recorded from as deep as 40 miles beneath the surface -- up to four times the depth of normal earthquakes, which originate in what scientists call the "seismogenic zone." That zone reaches no deeper than 9 or 10 miles below the Earth's surface.

COMPLETELY NOVEL PHENOMENA AS WELL

3. What's most striking is that deep tremors like the Cholame series have never been recorded before on a strike-slip fault such as the San Andreas, Nadeau said.

The Fort Tejon event rocked the ground violently and ruptured the fault for 225 miles, from northwest of Parkfield to San Bernardino. It was at least as large as the 1906 San Francisco quake. But because the Cholame region was virtually unpopulated at the time, it killed only two people and destroyed only the Tejon Army post, midway along the affected section of the fault.

IT'S A "SAFER" PLACE TO EXPERIMENT, FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES POINT OF VIEW OR GOV'T "PRIVACY"

4. The area is still sparsely populated; Cholame itself boasts only 2,125 inhabitants. But Paso Robles, with a population of more than 25,000, is only 25 miles west of the village -- and it was badly damaged by a magnitude 6.5 quake only a year ago.

THE SAME UNKNOWN MANTLE-LEVEL DEEP PULSED "CHATTER" HAS BEEN SEEN ELSEWHERE RECENTLY

5. Similar deep tremors have been detected recently along the coast of the Pacific Northwest, known as the Cascadia Subduction Zone, as well as in Japan -- and there, too, scientists are struggling to understand what their import is.

THEIR PURPOSE?

6. In an interview, Dragert said the tremors appear to add stress to a major thrust fault in the Puget Sound region,...

THEIR TOTAL ARTIFICIALITY

7. In California, the most mystifying feature of the unexplained tremors is that they are occurring right on the deepest part of the San Andreas -- a fault that does not involve subduction or volcanic activity. Instead, two sides of the earth's crust are sliding horizontally past each other in a motion seismologists call "right-lateral strike slip." In an earthquake, that slip can be an abrupt jolt, and in big quakes, a violent one.

TESLA WROTE ON 'TICKLING' THE MANTLE TO TRANSMIT ENERGY WAVELENGTHS THROUGH THE EARTH, TESLA EVEN SAID THAT IF THEY WERE STRONG ENOUGH, YOU COULD SPLIT THE PLANET.

8. The tremors are occurring at such great depth, Nadeau said, that they must be at the very bottom of the brittle crust -- where the earth's hot, viscous upper mantle begins -- which has been under stress for millions of years. It's possible that the mantle there resembles something like Silly Putty, Nadeau said, with great chunks of embedded rock grinding against each other to generate [an area that is more prone to the HAARP] tremor signals. That's purely a speculation, Nadeau conceded, but so far it's the only one around. [Tesla, whose ideas are what originally led to such things like HAARP, had ideas about sending energy waves through the mantle to transmit them across the insides of the earth.]

THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY UNKNOWN OR COVERT ACTION PHENOMENA, OR THEY DENY THEY KNOW

9. "No one really knows what the tremors mean," said David Schwartz, a geophysicist at the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park.

THAT THIS PLACE WAS PICKED BECAUSE IT WAS HIGHLY MONITORABLE FOR EXPERIMENTATION, HOW CONVENIENT THAT THE "MOST INTENSIVELY INSTRUMENTED SEISMIC DANGER ZONE" STARTS TO EXPERIENCE UNKNOWN DEEP-EARTH "CHATTER"

10. The Parkfield section of the San Andreas, in southern Monterey County, is the most intensively instrumented seismic danger region in the United States. A borehole 2 miles deep, carrying an array of instruments and called the San Andreas Fault Observatory at Depth, is to be completed next summer.

Full article at above link. It's more than enough triangulation of evidence for me frankly, given that they are on record about using this technology by 2025.

Read the doc;

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/
 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-4.htm#v3c15--4

"A number of methods have been explored or proposed to modify the ionosphere, including injection of chemical vapors and heating or charging via electromagnetic radiation or particle beams (such as ions, neutral particles, x-rays, MeV particles, and energetic electrons).45 It is important to note that many techniques to modify the upper atmosphere have been successfully demonstrated experimentally."

I would say that is a clear admittance of producing those "chemtrails"
seen all over the world.


Oh, and to "facts",
earth quakes can be started by using explosives.

I thought I had the measure of paranoid ravings here on indymedia. Clearly, I was wrong.

A 9.0 earthquake is equivalent to about a 32,000 megaton bomb. The largest ever exploded was about 60 megatons. (And that was a Soviet test.) Just from a pure energy-output standpoint, this event was vastly larger than anything mankind has ever managed.

And if you're trying to imply that this was somehow just *triggered* my a low-energy event directed with great precision and knowledge of just the right spot to get their result, I have just one question:

Why are They letting YOU live?

Dolts.

You offer nothing to support your argument, Bison Boy, you know, except emotionalism. Ever been told you live in an emotional block to the truth on some issues you hate to even consider? Don't bother to answer me. We've chatted before and I think you very intelligent on other topics, and I thus know you have the capacity to do it. Just think about it, friend.



newswire article coverage global 30.Dec.2004 12:23
9.11 investigation | imperialism & war | technology
NAZI BUSH REGIME's ENVIRO/HAARP-REICHSTAG FIRE: seize Aceh oil militarily as "rescue"
author: various

Why has a senior commander involved in the invasion of Iraq been assigned to lead the US emergency relief program? "Lieutenant General Blackman was previously Chief of Staff...leading the Marines into Baghdad..."

US Foreknowledge and Selective Warnings. Similar to 9-11, the automatic warning system STANDS DOWN to allow a terrorist act occur, hypothetically using the HAARP technology, to justify upcoming militarization of the area with US troops in an area rich with oil. Whether HAARP or otherwise, the associated issue would be the standdown of the automatic earthquake warning system among its subscribing member nations. This is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE--U.S. ONLY WARNS AUSTRALIA AND INDONESIA--LEFT OTHERS IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL REICHSTAG FIRE TO DIE FOR POLITIAL GAIN, and then invaded oil rich Aceh with over 2000 U.S. Marines and two aircraft carriers with armed helicopters.

No one tells the member countries about the "earthquake". However, the US DOES WARN its military base in the aera. And from this military base, part of the invasion of Aceh is proceeding with TWO AIRCRAFT CARRIERS and led by the U.S.'s pre-emptive invasion of Iraq leadership. "In a bitter irony, part of this operation is being coordinated out of America's Naval base in Diego Garcia. The US warns its naval base, though fails to warn Indian Ocean rim governments. "...the strike group, with its seven ships, 2,100 Marines and 1,400 sailors aboard, also has four Cobra helicopters..."

The oil rich Aceh area, which like Iraq, was suffering from a civil war making oil extraction difficult. THE AMERICAN NAZI ANSCHLUSS MOVES OUT FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN--INTO ACEH: An·schluss: A political union, especially the one unifying Nazi Germany and Austria in 1938.  http://dictionary.reference.com/search...
2004 Sumatra quake/tsunami (click to animate): HAARP and/or Selective Warnings
2004 Sumatra quake/tsunami (click to animate): HAARP and/or Selective Warnings
US Foreknowledge of Natural Disaster, then Selective Warning, then US military invasion from Iraqi commander and aircraft carriers

SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range." [or undersea Indian ocean, just to see what their power can do].


11 facts/points, most assembled from PIMC already

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[here:]
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/307042.shtml

For fuck's sake, I WORKED on the HAARP array as a consultant. It cannot create earthquakes! This is the same kind of mad lunacy that led to witch-burnings in the 17th century. You people are part of the same tradition.

Indonesia has seen similar events in the past, why does it seem so unbelievable that a major earthquake could happen without some doomsday device operated by evil doers in some bunker. I suppose the US government was also responsible for the 8.5 earthquake that hit the Banda Sea on Feb 1st 1938, the Krakatau eruption of 1883 which ranked as a 6 on the Volcanic Explosivity index (10 times larger than the 1980 St. Helens event which rated a 5), and the 1815 Tambora eruption which rated a 7 (100 times as large as St. Helens). The blast bison boy is reffering to happened on Oct 30th 1961 in the USSR, it was originally going to be a 100 megaton bomb but they scaled it back to 60 because they feared it would set off a fiery nuclear tornado that would engulf an area the size of Maryland. The scaled back bomb still had a blast radius of 60 miles, and could be seen for hundreds more. The energy released in the earthquake was equivilant to a 3,500 megaton bomb (35 billion tons of tnt), a blast that big would have vaporized everything for thousands of miles, and lit up the entire hemiphere like another sun. The other explination for sinister involvement also falls flat and doesn't distinguish between correlation and causality. No one arguing for a conpriracy seems to say exactly how HAARP can cause an earthquake, so we're to assume it can do ANYTHING. Assuming HAARP exists it's mere existance does not prove it caused the earthquake, that's like saying HAARP exists and kittens exist therefore HAARP causes kittens, that's the difference between correlation and causality. Finally, you give the US government way to much credit, if they can't sustain the occupation of Iraq, what makes you think they have such mastery over time and space?

What is Chemtrails?

"For fuck's sake, I WORKED on the HAARP array as a consultant."

Right ;)

"Assuming HAARP exists..."

"stupidest" could have skipped that idiotic come on and instead done a little research.

 http://www.dtc.army.mil/tts/1997/proceed/abarnes/sld006.htm
with some considerate thinking here:
 http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a960308.html

but wait, there's more...

"...it's mere existance does not prove it caused the earthquake, that's like saying HAARP exists and kittens exist therefore HAARP causes kittens, that's the difference between correlation and causality. Finally, you give the US government way to much credit, if they can't sustain the occupation of Iraq, what makes you think they have such mastery over time and space?"

wow, with that kinda spinning it's no wonder you're put on guard duty on new years eve.

this link will teach you how to present your views without coming on like a "moran".
(but I guess sound reasoning is what you're told to avoid ;)
Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit
 http://www.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/sagan.htm

I'm the one who was accused of being a troll earlier in this thread. Where do all these mad scientists of HAARP hide? I want to talk to one of them. Why, somebody please tell me, would scientists want to destroy the planet with Tesla energy waves?

No, really, what's in it for them? Job security? Academic prestige?

Do geologists have bizarre death-wishes? All the geologists I've ever met seem like geeky but sensible people who drive Toyota pickup trucks and like to go hiking with their dogs in the woods and stuff. Sure, some of them are opportunists who work for the oil and mining industries, but most have a deep respect for nature and the planet we live on.

Shadowy Figure: "We're from the governmnent; we want to hire you to trigger earthquakes that will kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, and potentially throw entire civilizations into chaos."
Geologist: "OK, that sounds just fascinating, how much does this job pay?"
Shadow Figure: "That's top secret."
Geologist: "Right on, when do I start? Do I get dental insurance?"

You imply, that a 'shadowy person' came to the 'mad scientist' first.
Why don't you think, it's the other way round?

Many scientists think, we have too many people on this planet and they're racist.
Joseph Mengele was crazy and he inspired Adolf Hitler.

Don't give me this sarcasm crap.

The U.S. killed 100.000 Iraqis for a lousy bunch of lies, why should there be not someone who played a little bit with ELF-weapons, to bribe these countries and promote some cute satellite surveillance photo technology, which all for suddn turned the 'controversial satellite project' into something "cool and helpful".

In 1997 ex-Secretary of Defense Cohen said:

"Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can
alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the
use of electromagnetic waves."


 link to web.archive.org

If he thinks, that some "terrorists" are able to set off earthquakes, then he must know, that the Pentagon, NSA or Sandia is able to do the same...

FYI I'm an anarchist, and I'm not on "gaurd duty", whatever the fuck that means. But I don't tolerate bullshit posts that make no sense. Oh, by the way I still haven't heard a logical reason on how HAARP supposedly caused the earthquake in Indonesia. By the way I never said "moran", I don't know where you got that from.

Nothing but emotionalism, eh? The only emotion at work for me is disgust at pointless conspiracy theories polluting the public discourse. On HAARP, I'm dispassionate. Why?

If HAARP exists and is capable of causing or triggering this event, its power and/or precision are so vast and godlike that it's not worth worrying about. I don't fret that Thor might be about to strike me down with Mjolnir, either... though maybe I should.

If HAARP does not exist or is not capable of triggering this event (as the HAARP-haters here assert) then the credibility of the folks who harp on HAARP drops to so near zero that there's no point paying attention to *any* of what they say on the subject.

Or maybe HAARP exists and is capable of manipulating my mind, and I have been ordered not to worry about it. In which case... well, I guess I won't be worrying about it. :-)

But you are right that I do strive for rationality and accuracy. I have an error above that I should correct. I got my 32,000 MT figure from my recollection of a NYT article that expressed the number in different units. Either they got the number wrong, or I converted the units wrong. The actual figure seems to be 1,800 MT. See ( http://geology.about.com/library/bl/blquakestats.htm) That's still about 300 times the largest known manmade explosion. If reputable geologists start coming forward with seismometer data that shows the signature of a nuke, then maybe I'll listen.

In 1997 ex-Secretary of Defense Cohen said:

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can
alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the
use of electromagnetic waves."

SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range." [or undersea Indian ocean, just to see what their power can do].

related:

Was the Tsunami Man-Made
author: Sean4489
Some more potential causess for a Tsunami 01.Jan.2005 01:31
Sean4489
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/307115.shtml

Well, well, well, reading about this natural disaster or man made disaster has certainly been entertaining...some people think they know science, some think they understand the military with their sick motives without understanding what really motivates their decision making process...I don't know what, how, if this earthquake was the accumulative effects of man-made madness, if it perhaps is simply a natural disaster...one thing is for sure...bombing the piss out of numerous countries is no display of compassion, empathy, giving donations for disaster relief from a country that cannot come up with a slightly intelligent health care system in the 21st century doesn't display anything but 'image' concerns...perhaps there will be many strings attached to the aid rendered by vultures...any flag wavers out there, I suggest standing in front of a mirror and ask who the hell you really are...I'll bet you can't do this for more than 1 second, any pseudo science freaks out there, check your pulse to see if you're alive, any geologists out there, look into the number of underground nuclear or other tests have occurred in the last 35 years, better yet, buy some fresh fruit and enjoy it...

Another one of these stupid ignorants.

Get your damn ass to Barnes and Nobles and buy "Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man", by John Perkins and learn something about debt systems.

Or if you decide to support the dumb and blind, why don't you implant some FDA approved chips in your brain or eat some Prozac and shut the f**k up???

The Association of SE Asian Nations considered the benefits of a Tsunmai early warning system, similar to that existing for the pacific, at its most recent meeting in 2004. It was rejected as not being worth the cost involved. While it is doubtful it could have been set up in time, ASEAN would surely have considered the issue of tsunamis at previous meetings, but i imagine also considered the cost too high for them (but im sure if their was a profit to be made, then no cost would have been too high). Such a system for the indian ocean would have saved 10,000s of lives. As far as i know the pacific system works well, and part of setting up the system is oragnising the communication networks etc needed.

To all the numbnuts who keep talking about HAARP as a "super" weapon the comment "terrorists" made by Sec Def Cohen refers we believe to another weapons array ( scalar based ) that was involved in the Kobe " hit" earthquake.

Harry Mason is correct in suggesting that testing has been done in areas close to the earthquake zone, But where as the Kobe hit was detected as a scalar event NO such buildup was seen before the Earthquake hit.

Oh and by the way, the biggest array is in RUSSIA, operating cost paid by the jap mafia. ( google search: bright skies )

<rant> which is why the fucking russians / UN haven't done a bloody thing

Most likely caused by HAARP. It is an established fact that this can be done. Same with the Iranian earthquake and the 1976 one. But more than local politics. So many countries involved. Getting us ready for more an the "alien" invasion and then the New World Government and.........

Man I LOVE conspiracy theories... I just read the entire thread, and loved every minute of it. But come on, fellas... OK, our experience of "reality" is controlled almost exclusively by the corporate media elite and their political affiliates, but as entertaining as it may be to talk about telsa technology, energy beams etc, is it really getting us any closer to the "truth"? In many cases, what THEY tell us to believe may be just as outlandish as what the conspiracy nuts believe, but either way, you can bet that THEY are quite happy for us to spend our days dreaming up sci-fi stories instead of campaigning for greater independence and transparency in the media.

5 days after the winter soltace (death of sun god in northern hemisphere) there is a bomb corisponding to a full moon and heaven is real. jesus = the sun, and the sun is rebourne 3 days after its death. so 2 more days pass and then we have this event which will in no doubt result in some sort of imf nato and un intervention. world government control the world central bank a world currency that is cashless (completely electronic) a world army and its all over by 2012.

Why are so many people driven to find blame for nature. Any and all comments about bombs and manmade casues of the disaster are rediculous and self surving, if not just plain ignorant. Spend your time surching for what you can do to help the survivors of this disaster. As I was when I found this site.

why were satellites focused on so many towns and villages, and why did they take so many sequenced shots as the tsunami hit?

I am somehow not surprised to hear other people suggest that the tsunami was not natural...I thought (and people surrounding me as well) I was thinking out of my ass: I know nothing about bombs,earthquaques....But i somehow feel this is more than possible.In fact, we know the US are capable of such ...how to call it? shit i'm so angry i'm crying .

You are truly stupid and evil to intentionally mislead so many people, some of whom can be easily swayed by conspiracy theorists who are no more than malicious "virus programming" thrill seekers (that is being gracious, assuming they are not congenitally stupid). Go to Aceh and help the people - do something other than promoting yourself - stop being an ass. I have lived and worked on Simeulue Island, Aceh, immediately south of the epicenter - no bomb, no American conspiracy (you prick) - "just" massive release of intense pressure between geological tectonic plates - and a revived volcano now on one of the Andaman - Nicobar Island to the north. It happens.

I think that I am going to go with my gut instict and I dont know who caused this but I beleive it was forced and not Mother Nature. it was distracting and now we are all focused on this and not the "war". It is so horrable that no one will even question the government. I bet all our "aid" is conditional. We will now be americanizing these island people with our shots, thoughts and everyt thing that comes with it. We will get our turn and then we will know for sure! I did notice the delay from the head the UN and GW bush to respond, maybe they wanted to check and see who did it befor they responded? Asking questions does notmake you a bad person, the truth will make you free!!!

Good Lord!! Can this get any more ridiculous?? Intense and unfortunate stupidity clearly does not lie only with those who reelected mentally-challenged Bush, as is evidenced from many of these messages. Some folks need to get out more.

the earthquake&tsunamy in indic ocean , there was few precedents ...

NOBODY WARN ABOUT THE PREDICTABLE RISK?????

---->>>>this two reports/dépêches are taked from oficial page of the VENDEEGLOBE yatchrace
 http://vendeeglobe.org/


jeudi 23 décembre 2004 - 19h04

L?Observatoire des sciences de la terre de Strasbourg a signalé qu?un séisme de 8,2 sur l?échelle de Richter s?était produit à 16h00 (HF) jeudi 23 décembre dans l?est des îles Macquarie, à l?endroit précis où sont passés les quatre premiers du Vendée Globe il y a quelques jours. Dominique Wavre (Temenos), en 5e position, se trouve actuellement le plus proche de l?épicentre, situé à environ 200 milles devant son étrave. Dominique devrait passer dans cette zone demain. Difficile de savoir précisément l?incidence d?un tel séisme qui s?est produit par 3000 à 4000 m de fond sur l?état de la mer. La dorsale sous-marine des îles Macquarie prolonge sous la mer la chaîne de montagnes et de volcans de la Nouvelle-Zélande vers l?Antarctique. A 20 milles de part et d?autre de l?île Macquarie, les fonds sous-marins plongent à plus de 5000 mètres de fond !

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Earthquakes around the Antarctic...
Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 06:58 PM

Race Management have just received notification of a sizeable earthquake off the Macquarie Islands, south of New Zealand. It measured 8.2 on the Richter Scale and occurred between 3000 and 4000 metres down. Effectively sailing on the other side of what is essentially a massive, virtually vertical wall under the seas in this area, Dominique Wavre may still experience difficult seas as he approaches the zone.

It is clear that there is considerable activity in this region with another earthquake measuring 4.5 around the South Sandwich Islands yesterday morning, and another last Friday evening in the same zone measuring 5.2...

Source
USGS NEIC
KJ

Whatever happened maybe we should be moving people to higher ground and building more caring communities so we'll all have a chance to live longer.

My wife read in a newspaper that in Thainland elephants carrying a group of tourists fled up a hill ONE HOUR BEFORE the earthquake and tsunami hit. Other elephants broke free from their shackles and fled as well. All the tourists were saved. This story was from the Chunichi Shinbun, a Japanese newspaper.

Here's an article I found on Yahoo that talks about how not a single wild anilmal was caught in the tsunami:

 link to story.news.yahoo.com

No natural disasters are possible now eh? It's all the Mankind controlling the weather now....

here is a link to the U.S. Department of Defense site

 link to web.archive.org

and here is what William Cohen, Defense Secretary siad during a press conference in 1998

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

read it again

"Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. "

now who could afford to build such weapons ??

1226=11.. 11 9 and 6 are the most prominent numbers when it comes to satanism... the illuminati perform these atrocities only on certain numbered dates.. No doubt in my mind that Haarp caused this, as well as the crazy weather in the usa.. Chemtrails, and HAARP what a team... sick bastards.

I'd recommend the James Gleick book "Chaos" to anyone thinking that they could control the weather. The variables involved are too complex to allow long-range weather forecasting, much less to allow for targeted uses of weather. That being said, in theory, the effects of an earthquake would be easier to judge, simply because there are fewer tectonic plates than there are air currents. Nonetheless, the problem of prediction is still present; not knowing what the lower crust is made of (how dense it is, how active it is, etc.) or the consistency of the upper mantle means that no one, not even HAARP (which you have done a good job of proving is an actual program, but not whether it is functional), could accurately predict the effects of seismic or atmospheric manipulation.

If you want to say that this was a test, then, fine, but I don't think that anyone would unleash a 9.0 quake as a test, not knowing exactly where it would be released.

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