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An Act of God or Government?

in today's world, we must consider all possibilities. after 9.11 people were loathe to belive that the government had anything to do with the toppling of the twin towers; now it is common knowledge. could it be that the weather was manipulated for a political means, say, genocide of muslims?
i have juxtaposed two maps in an attempt to show a possible reason for a man-made disaster. one is a map of the countries hardest hit by the earthquake/tsunami, the other is a map showing the greatest concentration of the muslim population (69 percent worldwide in Asia.)


i don't claim to have any knowledge about waether control, but there are plenty of websites to learn more. here's one for starters:

The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use

 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

i'll leave you with this final thought. according to an article that i read at  http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=6430#, there was foreknowledge of the tsunami. an alert was sent out, in the form of an e-mail, an e-mail! why would an e-mail be sent versus picking up the telephone?

"We put out a bulletin within 20 minutes, technically as fast as we could do it," said Jeff LaDouce, an official in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. LaDouce noted that they e-mailed Indonesian officials, but said that he wasn't aware what happened after they sent the e-mails.

sort of like the scrambler jets that took forever to reach the twin towers...

Well... 28.Dec.2004 17:47

Tony Blair's dog

the Ukranian "re-election" and other frauds were
conveniently submerged from the critical eye of
the public by the waves.

What? 28.Dec.2004 18:33

draincleaner

Oh puh-leez. Are you really buying this crap?

hmm... 28.Dec.2004 18:45

el toro

Interesting, but... no. I'm not buyin' it. To be able to cause natural disasters to that extent could put the entire world in jeopardy. Mother nature isn't exactly a force to reckon with, nor try to manipulate on such a large scale.

Scientists were aware of the tsunamis, yes... there is always a possibility of a few tsunamis springing up after every major earthquake close to the ocean, but you also have to take into consideration that these countries may not be as organized in notifying the public as the U.S. would be (yes, it's one thing we do decently).

This whole disaster is unfortunate, and quite coincidental that it happened to strike Indonesia, but so goes living on islands, you're always within the risk of getting smashed by a tsunami.

Toro, your tax dollars bought HAARP; & you have been living this for 25 years. 28.Dec.2004 19:19

US gov't quoter

Toro writes: "To be able to cause natural disasters to that extent could put the entire world in jeopardy. Mother nature isn't exactly a force to reckon with, nor try to manipulate on such a large scale. "

1.

Title: HAARP-watch: fake HAARP tremors rock earth deep beneath San Andreas Fault
Author: haarp-watch, Michel Chossudovsky
Date: 2004.12.11 07:02
Description: Mysterious tremors deep beneath the San Andreas Fault near the quake-prone town of Parkfield are shaking the earth's brittle crust, FAR BELOW THE REGION WHERE EARTHQUAKES NORMALLY STRIKE -- and scientists say THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING or what the motions mean. Seismic researchers are monitoring the strange vibrations..."..."We see this kind of tremor activity inside volcanoes like Mount St. Helens," Nadeau said, "but that's due to the movement of rising magma, and in the tremors we've recorded there's NO EVIDENCE OF VOLCANISM and NO SEISMIC WAVES TYPICAL OF ORDINARY EARTHQUAKES." "In the US, the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the ("Star Wars") Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Potentially, it constitutes an instrument of conquest capable of selectively destabilising agricultural and ecological systems of entire regions."

2.

the how of HAARP causing seismic irregularities 11.Dec.2004 23:16
more link

"A short scan of the verbiage pertaining to HAARP in this post shows no theories offered as to how a high-powered radio-frequency transmitter like HAARP can cause seismic irregularities."

I'm sure other people are curious so here is more:


SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range." [or undersea Indian ocean, just to see what their power can do].


 http://www.earthchangestv.com/ufo/0209gandor.htm
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305741.shtml

Earthquake 28.Dec.2004 19:30

weatherman

-I don't claim to have any knowledge about waether control, but there are plenty of websites to learn more. here's one for starters..."

It had nothing to do with the weather. Earthquakes are not caused by weather.

Skri Lanka-an example to destroy? 28.Dec.2004 19:35

sapiens

Will money sent to help the Ski Lankans be considered helping "the terrorists"? The main stream media even made allusions to this! There has also been concerns expressed in the corporate press with the growing communist movements in India and in that whole area.

What's a few tourists and a whole bunch of poor people to the corporate psychos?

Unusual Weather Patterns (2003-2004) of Bush/Pentagon's global enviro-warfare 28.Dec.2004 19:44

more

Environmental warfare is defined as the intentional modification or manipulation of the natural ecology, such as climate and weather, earth systems such as the ionosphere, magnetosphere, tectonic plate system, and/or the triggering of seismic events (earthquakes) to cause intentional physical, economic, and psycho-social, and physical destruction to an intended target geophysical or population location, as part of strategic or tactical war." (Eco News)


TABLE 1: Unusual Weather Patterns (2003-2004)

Alex, Ivan, Frances, Charley and Jeanne (August-September 2004): Four destructive hurricanes and a tropical rain storm occur in a sequence, within a short period of time. Unprecedented in hurricane history in the Caribbean, the island of Grenada is completely devastated: 37 people died and roughly two-thirds of the island's 100,000 inhabitants have been left homeless, in Haiti, more than two thousand people have died and tens of thousands have been made homeless. The Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Cuba and the Bahamas have also been devastated.

In the US, the damage hitting several Southern states including Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and the Carolinas is the highest in US history.

Brazil March 2004: The first-ever hurricane formed in the South Atlantic, striking Brazil with 90 mph winds and causing up to a dozen deaths. "Meteorologists were left scratching their heads in bewilderment as the familiar swirl of clouds, complete with a well-defined eye, appeared in an oceanic basin where none had been spotted before." (WP, 19 September 2004, See also  http://www.climate.org/topics/climate/brazil_hurricane.shtml )

Japan, China and the Korean Peninsula: "Japan has suffered its highest number of typhoon strikes on record, and the storms -- which hit at the rate of one a week for much of the summer -- wreaked havoc in Taiwan, China and the Korean Peninsula." (ibid)

China (August 2004): Typhoon Rananim, the worst in 48 years, has killed at least 164 people and injured more than 1800 in China's Zhejiang province. Rananim is confirmed by China's meteorological authorities to be the strongest to hit the Chinese mainland since 1956. It is estimated to have disrupted the life of some 13 million people,  http://www.cma.gov.cn/ywwz/englishread.php?recid=39616

United States May 2003 : 562 tornadoes hit the United States, the highest in recorded history, far exceeding the previous monthly peak of 399 in June 1992.(CNN, July 3, 2003,  http://www.cnn.com/2003/WEATHER/07/03/wmo.extremes/ )

India, early 2003: a pre-monsoon heat wave caused peak temperatures of between 45 and 49 degrees Celsius (113 to 120 degrees Fahrenheit), killing more than 1400 people.(Ibid)

Sri Lanka, "heavy rainfalls from Tropical Cyclone 01B exacerbated already wet conditions, causing flooding and landslides and more than 300 fatalities." (Ibid)

Western Europe Summer 2003: experienced extremely high Summer temperatures. "Switzerland experienced its hottest June [2003] in at least 250 years while in the south of France average temperatures were between 5 and 7 degrees Celsius (9 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than the long term average. England and Wales also experienced their hottest month since 1976." (Ibid)


...

The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: "Owning the Weather" for Military Use
by Michel Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca 27 September 2004

The URL of this article is:  http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

This article is follow-up on an earlier study by the author entitled Washington's New World Order Weapons Have the Ability to Trigger Climate Change, Third World Resurgence, January 2001,  http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO201A.html



What are the underlying causes of extreme weather instability, which has ravaged every major region of the World in the course of the last few years?

. . .

A study released in July 2003, by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) places the blame, without further examination, at the feet of global warming:

"These record extreme events [high temperatures, low temperatures and high rainfall amounts and droughts] all go into calculating the monthly and annual averages which, for temperatures, have been gradually increasing over the past 100 years," the WMO said in its statement (CNN, July 3, 2003,  http://www.cnn.com/2003/WEATHER/07/03/wmo.extremes/ )

While global warming is undoubtedly an important factor, it does not fully account for these extreme and unusual weather patterns.

Weather Warfare

The significant expansion in America's weather warfare arsenal, which is a priority of the Department of Defense is not a matter for debate or discussion. While, environmentalists blame the Bush administration for not having signed the Kyoto protocol, the issue of "weather warfare", namely the manipulation of weather patterns for military use is never mentioned.

The US Air Force has the capability of manipulating climate either for testing purposes or for outright military-intelligence use. These capabilities extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes. In recent years, large amounts of money have been allocated by the US Department of Defense to further developing and perfecting these capabilities.

Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power. (US Air Force, emphasis added. Air University of the US Air Force, AF 2025 Final Report,  http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/ emphasis added)


 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

hrm... 29.Dec.2004 00:17

el toro

to us gov quoter: that was interesting information. thx.

to weather balloon: so... *i'm sleepy here bear with me* could you also be implying that this could've been happening since 1996? I'll have to read it again... I skimmed through parts. I remember el nino striking during the 90's... was it then??

lol remember chris farley's sketch... pfft i can't bring myself to describe it, but it's making me laugh. i'm gonna sleep.

chemtrails responsible for absurd theorizings at PDX? 29.Dec.2004 01:00

Ezekiel 4:12

I'm going to second the sentiment that goes like this:

"oh, puhlllleeeeeaaaase"



It was neither an act of deities, nor an act of government.

It was a simple and frequently precedented movement of tectonic plates. Such things have been happening on this planet for BILLIONS of years prior to the very recent emmergence of humans.

Methylating erthquakes with documented evidence linking the US and Israeli governments to the 911 attacks is obscene and intentionally destuctive to genuine 911 research.

Go back to school.

I don't know... 29.Dec.2004 07:49

but I've been told

At first the idea of mixing the tsunamis with the larger tragedy that is Bush seemed preposterous but that is why I return and wonder ... they have so much to gain from death and destruction ... this is good for them and so bad for everyone else that, if it can be done technically, we MUST consider the possibility that they did it as much for their perverted version of fun as for their very real profits. Maybe we should watch what kind of aid the US is going to give these people - offering troops to tsunami victims sounds like aburdity but it just came from the White House... the Pentagon sendin troops to the areas affected - would this be to Aceh, Indonesia, for example???

to but I've been told 29.Dec.2004 10:13

My Voice

I'm not a militant, but I disagree with your statement that "offering troops to tsunami victims sounds like absurdity".

The fact is miltaries (all, not just the US) are trained to deal with disasters, and frequently engage in humanitarian missions. They have the logistics skills to get victims clean water, food, and shelter. I know NGOs can do this as well, and are in fact doing this. But, Bush isn't talking about sending a whole division there. It's not some conspiracy to harm the defenseless Muslims in Indonesia and elsewhere in the region.

I agree that you must always question motives, but my opinion is that this was simply a natural disaster and troops are just one way the US can help out.

ban HAARP 29.Dec.2004 10:39

.

Keep laughing, trolls. You know that no one believes laughter is an effective argument on issues of eco-terrorism, particularly when the technology is verified by an ex-Secretary of Defense?

Hope to see you and your boss at the next Nuremberg trials.

SAID IN APRIL 1997 BY THE U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, WILLIAM COHEN: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." --- Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

"In short,...the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range." [or undersea Indian ocean, just to see what their power can do].


 http://www.earthchangestv.com/ufo/0209gandor.htm
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305741.shtml

PLANET EARTH: THE NEWEST WEAPON OF WAR 29.Dec.2004 11:02

NOT A HA HA HA STUFF

For all those sceptics (not a derogatory thing being a sceptic, by the the way) renown world scientist Dr. Rosalie Bertell's last book "Planet Earth: The Newest Weapon of War" is an eye opener. Documented with declassified material and verifiable sources, the book is a must read.

In reference to "owning the weather" 29.Dec.2004 11:48

by Prof. M. Chossudovsky

Professor Chossudovsky's article "The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: Owning the weather" for Military Use" is certainly information that will not make even the Learning channels on t.v. The CIA and army will certainly see to that. Nor will Dr. Rosalie Bertell's book:"Planet Earth: The Newest Werapon of War." The scientific community is scared shitless to talk about the testing the army is doing on us, citizens and on its own military people.
Is Chossudovsky being scared as well? I ask this because in the very informative and documented article, he fails to mentions US Patent #5,003,186, Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming.(This patent is issued to Hughes Aircraft Company-conglomerate called Huges Electronics defense operations-owned by General Motors) The SEEDING OF THE ATMOSPHERE METALLIC PARTICLES, aluminium oxide and other reflective materials added to JET AIRLINERS AND EMITTED FROM JET EXHAUST (REFERRED MORE COMMONLY AS CHEMTRAILS) is the baby of criminal mind E.Teller of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
Patents abound and the visual evidence is overwhelming. Chemtrails or seeding the skies or artificial clouds - OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM - is a process of tempering with nature. It certainly is not for the benefit of the people as a whole but for the benefit of corporate empire building.
Now the tetonic plates.....?????

quite feasible - too coincidental not to be 29.Dec.2004 12:40

human

from the article:  http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

Weather Warfare against "Rogue States"

The unusual climatic occurrences in the US and Western Europe have been extensively documented.

However, what the news media has failed to underscore is that a number of unusual and dramatic climatic changes have occurred in recent years in countries which are identified as possible targets under the US Administration's pre-emptive war doctrine.

Weather patterns in North Korea, for instance, have been marked since the mid-1990s by a succession of droughts, followed by floods. The result has been the destruction of an entire agricultural system. In Cuba, the pattern is very similar to that observed in North Korea. (see Table 3)

In Iraq, Iran and Syria, a devastating drought occurred in 1999. In Afghanistan, four years of drought in the years preceding the US led invasion in 2001, have led to the destruction of the peasant economy, leading to widespread famine.

While there is no proof that these weather occurrences are the result of climatic warfare, Phillips Geophysics Lab, which is a partner in the HAARP project provides a course for military personnel at the Hanscom Air Force Base in Maryland, on "Weather Modification Techniques". The course outline explicitly contemplates the triggering of storms, hurricanes, etc. for military use. (See his slide show at  link to www.dtc.army.mil )

Weather manipulation is the pre-emptive weapon par excellence. It can be directed against enemy countries or even "friendly nations", without their knowledge. Weather warfare constitutes a covert form of pre-emptive war. The manipulation of climate can be used to destabilize an enemy's economy, ecosystem and agriculture (e.g. North Korea or Cuba). Needless to say it can trigger havoc in financial and commodity markets and can potentially be used as an instrument of "insider trade" for financial gain. It has the ability of destabilizing a country's institutions. Concurrently, the disruption in agriculture creates a greater dependency on food aid and imported grain staples from the US and other Western countries.

The Bush administration has stated that it reserves the right to attack these countries preemptively, with a view to ensuring the security of the American homeland.

Washington --as part of its nuclear posture review-- has threatened several countries including China and Russia with pre-emptive nuclear strikes. One would assume that the same targeting of rogue states exists with regard to the use of weather modification techniques".

While there is no evidence of the use of weather warfare against rogue states, the policy guidelines on "weather intervention techniques" have already been established and the technology is fully operational.

quite amusing, really 30.Dec.2004 00:41

greg gregholston2003@yahoo.com

it's really amusing, but also somewhat sad how some people will get so caught up in the EGO of politics and human dealings to the point of near insanity.

It was neither an act of deities, nor an act of government.

It was a simple and frequently precedented movement of tectonic plates. Such things have been happening on this planet for BILLIONS of years prior to the very recent emmergence of humans.

this says it all.

please people, for once can you take your little egocentric political dogmas elsewhere?
it is really an insult to all those that have perished in this disaster to even be debating the "political" motivation of this. shameful really.

grow up a bit.

ABC sells "potential for Atlantic tsunamis?"; intentionally hitting Sumatra 30.Dec.2004 09:57

softening you up watch

Greg, presumably you are here reading this thread because you yourself want to grow up a bit, and escape the American Iron Curtain (the corporate media). I offer you should do a bit of reading instead of obviously watching the television version of events.

Everything mentioned above about HAARP connected weather modification (chemical aeosols only a small part), HAARP connected earthquakes, and HAARP created volcano action is totally within the bounds of the scientific and completely possible within existing technology. For about 30 years.

Greg, did you note that people above basically admitted that though Sumatra was only "minutes" from the tsunami when USGS noted it, they instead were presumably doing something for "20 minutes," until after Sumatra was hit, and then sent their indirect email 20 minutes later. Hypothetically, an expedited phone call to police or the main government on Sumatra would have definitely preserved more human lives. No one did this though. Surely this is criminal negligence.

Or, sit back and watch corp media. Here's what you would see. ABC talked up (with very detailed graphics already at the ready) Atlantic tsunamis on the morning of Dec 30.

I was channel flipping, and I was shocked to see ABC repeating the same "Atlantic tsunamis" story over and over and over. I caught it twice myself and I was only channel flipping.

US Foreknowledge of Natural Disaster, then Selective Warning 30.Dec.2004 10:46

Michel Chossudovsky

Foreknowledge of A Natural Disaster
Washington was aware that a deadly Tidal Wave was building up in the Indian Ocean

Michel Chossudovsky | December 29 2004

The US Military and the State Department were given advanced warning. America's Navy base on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean was notified.

Why were fishermen in India, Sri Lanka and Thailand not provided with the same warnings as the US Navy and the US State Department?

Why did the US State Department remain mum on the existence of an impending catastrophe?

With a modern communications system, why did the information not get out? By email, telephone, fax, satellite TV... ?

It could have saved the lives of more than 80,000 people. And the death toll is rising.

The earthquake was a Magnitude 9.0 on the Richter scale, among the highest in recorded history. US authorities had initially recorded 8.0 on the Richter scale.

As confirmed by several reports, US scientists in Hawaii, had advanced knowledge regarding an impending catastrophe, but failed to contact their Asian counterparts.

Charles McCreery of the Pacific Warning Center in Hawaii confirmed that his team tried desperately to get in touch with his counterparts in Asia. According to McCreery, director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's center in Honolulu, the team did its utmost to contact the countries. (The NOAA in Hawaii's Report at  http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/s2357.htm ).

His team contacted the US State Department, which apparently contacted the Asian governments. The Indian government confirms that no such warning was received. (The Hindu, 27 Dec 2004)

Nine (9.0) on the Richter scale: The Director of the Hawaii Warning Center stated that "they did not know" that the earthquake would generate a deadly tidal wave until it had hit Sri Lanka, more than one and a half hours later, at 2.30 GMT. (see Timeline below)

"Not until the deadly wave hit Sri Lanka and the scientists in Honolulu saw news reports of the damage there did they recognize what was happening... 'Then we knew there was something moving across the Indian Ocean,' said Charles McCreery. (quoted in the NYT, 28 Dec 2004 ).

This statement is at odds with the Timeline of the tidal wave disaster. Thailand was hit almost an hour before Sri Lanka and the news reports were already out. Surely, these reports out of Thailand were known to the scientists in Hawaii, not to mention the office of Sec. Colin Powell, well before the tidal wave reached Sri Lanka.

''We wanted to try to do something, but without a plan in place then, it was not an effective way to issue a warning, or to have it acted upon,'' Dr. McCreery said. ''There would have still been some time -- not a lot of time, but some time -- if there was something that could be done in Madagascar, or on the coast of Africa.''

The above statement is also inconsistent.

The tidal wave reached the East African coastline several hours after it reached The Maldives islands. According to news reports, Male, the capital of the Maldives was hit three hours after the earthquake, at approximately 4.00 GMT. By that time everybody around the World knew.

It is worth noting that the US Navy was fully aware of the deadly tidal wave, because the Navy was on the Pacific Warning Center's list of contacts. Moreover, America's strategic Naval base on the island of Diego Garcia had also been notified. Although directly in the path of the tidal wave (see animated chart below), the Diego Garcia military base reported "no damage".

"One of the few places in the Indian Ocean that got the message of the quake was Diego Garcia, a speck of an island with a United States Navy base, because the Pacific warning center's contact list includes the Navy. Finding the appropriate people in Sri Lanka or India was harder." (NYT, 28 Dec 2004, emphasis added)

Now how hard is it to pick up the phone and call Sri Lanka?

According to Charles McCreery, director of the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center.

"We don't have contacts in our address book for anybody in that part of the world."

Only after the first waves hit Sri Lanka did workers at National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre [PTWC] and others in Hawaii start making phone calls to US diplomats in Madagascar and Mauritius in an attempt to head off further disaster.

"We didn't have a contact in place where you could just pick up the phone," Dolores Clark, spokeswoman for the International Tsunami Information Centre in Hawaii said. "We were starting from scratch."

These statement on the surface are inconsistent, since several Indian Ocean Asian countries are in fact members of the Tsunami Warning System.

There are 26 member countries of the International Coordination Group for the Tsunami Warning System , including Thailand, Singapore and Indonesia. All these countries would normally be in the address book of the PTWC, which works in close coordination with its sister organization the ICGTWS , which has its offices in Honolulu at the headquarters of the National Weather Service Pacific Region Headquarters in downtown Honolulu.

The mandate of the ICGTWS is to "assist member states in establishing national warning systems, and makes information available on current technologies for tsunami warning systems."

Australia and Indonesia were notified. The US Congress is to investigate why the US government did not notify all the Indian Ocean nations in the affected area: "Only two countries in the affected region, Indonesia and Australia, received the warning"

"Although Thailand belongs to the international tsunami-warning network, its west coast does not have the system's wave sensors mounted on ocean buoys.

The northern tip of the earthquake fault is located near the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and tsunamis appear to have rushed eastward toward the Thai resort of Phuket.

"They had no tidal gauges and they had no warning," said Waverly Person, a geophysicist at the National Earthquake Information Centre in Golden, Colorado, U.S., which monitors seismic activity worldwide. "There are no buoys in the Indian Ocean and that's where this tsunami occurred."" (Hindu, 27 Dec 2004)

The issue of the Ocean sensors is a Red Herring

We we were not able to warn them because we had no sensors in the Indian Ocean: This argument is a Red Herring.

We are not dealing with advanced information based on the Ocean sensors, but on an emergency warning transmitted in the immediate wake of the earthquake. The latter took place at 00.58 GMT on the 26th of Dec. That information was sent to The State Department and the US Navy.

With modern communications, the information of an impending disaster could have been sent around the World in a matter of minutes, by email, by telephone, by fax, not to mention by live satellite Television.

Coastguards, municipalities, local governments, tourist hotels, etc. could have been warned.

According to Tsunami Society President Prof. Tad Murty of the University of Manitoba:

'there's no reason for a single individual to get killed in a tsunami,' since most areas had anywhere from 25 minutes to four hours before a wave hit. So, once again, because of indifference and corruption thousands of innocent people have died needlessly." (Calgary Sun, 28 Dec 2004)

Key Questions

1. Why were the Indian Ocean countries' governments not informed?

Were there "guidelines" from the US military or the State Department regarding the release of an advanced warning?

According to the statement of the Hawaii based PTWC, advanced warning was released but on a selective basis. Indonesia was already hit, so the warning was in any event redundant and Australia was several thousand miles from the epicentre of the earthquake and was, therefore, under no immediate threat.

2. Did US authorities monitoring seismographic data have knowledge of the earthquake prior to its actual occurrence at 00.57 GMT on the 26th of December?

The question is whether there were indications of abnormal seismic activity prior to 01.00 GMT on the 26th of Dec.

The US Geological Survey confirmed that the earthquake which triggered the tidal wave measured 9.0 on the Richter scale and was the fourth largest quake since 1900. In such cases, one would expect evidence of abnormal seismic activity before the actual occurrence of a major earthquake.

3. Why is the US military Calling the Shots on Humanitarian Relief

Why in the wake of the disaster, is the US military (rather than civilian humanitarian/aid organizations operating under UN auspices) taking a lead role?

The US Pacific Command has been designated to coordinate the channeling of emergency relief? Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Rusty Blackman, commander of the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force based in Okinawa, has been designated to lead the emergency relief program

Lieutenant General Blackman was previously Chief of Staff for Coalition Forces Land Component Command, responsible for leading the Marines into Baghdad during "Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Three "Marine disaster relief assessment teams" under Blackman's command have been sent to Thailand, Sri Lanka and Indonesia.

US military aircraft are conducting observation missions.

In a bitter irony, part of this operation is being coordinated out of America's Naval base in Diego Garcia, which was not struck by the tidal wave. Meanwhile, "USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group, which was in Hong Kong when the earthquake and tsunamis struck, has been diverted to the Gulf of Thailand to support recovery operations" (Press Conference of Pacific Command,  http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12292004_2004122905.html ).

Two Aircraft Carriers have been sent to the region.

Why is it necessary for the US to mobilize so much military equipment? The pattern is unprecedented:

Conway said the Lincoln carrier strike group has 12 helicopters embarked that he said could be "extremely valuable" in recovery missions.

An additional 25 helicopters are aboard USS Bonhomme Richard, headed to the Bay of Bengal. Conway said the expeditionary strike group was in Guam and is forgoing port visits in Guam and Singapore and expects to arrive in the Bay of Bengal by Jan. 7.

Conway said the strike group, with its seven ships, 2,100 Marines and 1,400 sailors aboard, also has four Cobra helicopters that will be instrumented in reconnaissance efforts.

Because fresh water is one of the greatest needs in the region, Fargo has ordered seven ships — each capable of producing 90,000 gallons of fresh water a day — to the region. Conway said five of these ships are pre-positioned in Guam and two will come from Diego Garcia.

A field hospital ship pre-positioned in Guam would also be ordered to the region, depending on findings of the disaster relief assessment teams and need, Conway said. (Ibid)

Why has a senior commander involved in the invasion of Iraq been assigned to lead the US emergency relief program?


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The Tsunami Timeline

Sunday 26 December 2004 (GMT)

00.57 GMT: Between 00.57 GMT and 00.59 GMT, an 8.9 magnitude earthquake occurs on the seafloor near Aceh in northern Indonesia. (See  http://ioc.unesco.org/itsu/ and other reports)

00.58 GMT: Saturday 25 December, 2.58 pm Hawaii Time (GMT-10) 26 Dec 00.58 GMT. US government's Pacific Tsunami Warning Center registers the earthquake on its seismic instruments. In other words at the time of its occurrence at 00.58 GMT.

shortly after 01.00 GMT: Earthquake hits several cities in Indonesia, creates panic in urban areas in peninsular Malaysia. The news of the earthquakes is reported immediately.

01.3O GMT: Phuket and Coast of Thailand: The tidal wave hits to coastline shortly after 8.30 am, 01.30 GMT

02.30 GMT: Colombo Sri Lanka and Eastern Coast of Sri Lanka, the tidal wave hits the coastal regions close to the capital Colombo, according to report at 8.30 am local time, 02.30 GMT (an hour and a half after the earthqake)

02.45 GMT: India's Eastern Coastline. The tsunami hits India's eastern coast from 6:15 a.m.(2:45 GMT)

04.00 GMT: Male, Maldives: From about 9:00 am (0400 GMT), three hours after the earthquake, the capital, Male, and other parts of the country were flooded by the tsunami. (more than three hours after the earthquake)

11.00 GMT (approximate time according to news dispatches): East Coast of Africa is hit. More than ten hours after the earthquake

The animation below indicates approximate times at which the tidal wave hits the coastal areas of Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, The Maldives.

Click on the image to see an animation (650 KB)

























(Animation provided by Kenji Satake, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, Japan)


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26 Dec 2004

Seismic Activity on Dec 26

(click  http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seisplots/long-period/200412/20041226.PGC.LHZ.24hr.gif

Note: extreme seismic activity prior to 01.00 GMT


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The Richter Scale

US scientists in Hawaii had initially indicated that the earthquake was of a magnitude of 8.0 (ten times weaker than in the case a 9.0 earthquake on the Richter scale).

How can an error of this nature be made, with very sophisticated measuring equipment?

According to Natural Resources Canada:
"The magnitude of an earthquake is a measure of the amount of energy released. Each earthquake has a unique magnitude assigned to it. This is based on the amplitude of seismic waves measured at a number of seismograph sites, after being corrected for distance from the earthquake. Magnitude estimates often change by up to 0.2 units, as additional data are included in the estimate.

The Richter scale is logarithmic, that is an increase of 1 magnitude unit represents a factor of ten times in amplitude. The seismic waves of a magnitude 6 earthquake are 10 times greater in amplitude than those of a magnitude 5 earthquake. However, in terms of energy release, a magnitude 6 earthquake is about 31 times greater than a magnitude 5. The intensity of an earthquake varies greatly according to distance from the earthquake, ground conditions, and other factors. The Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale is used to describe earthquake effects." (  http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/eqinfo/richter.htm )

The following criteria are given by Natural Resources, Canada:
M=8: "Great" earthquake, great destruction, loss of life over several 100 km (1906 San Francisco, 1949 Queen Charlotte Islands) .

M=9: Rare great earthquake, major damage over a large region over 1000 km (Chile 1960, Alaska 1964, and west coast of British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, 1700) .

Source Natural Resources Canada:  http://www.pgc.nrcan.gc.ca/seismo/eqinfo/richter.htm

link me up 30.Dec.2004 11:40

human

please provide a link to the Michel Chossudovsky article.

link of Chossudovsky article 30.Dec.2004 12:04

imcista


To all those poo pooing the idea of HAARP, think again... 30.Dec.2004 12:15

In the Know

Read about Tesla's experiments and you will see that HAARP could have easily caused the Tsunami.

Stay ignorant, have your laughs, but the truth is that HAARP could have wreaked this sort of destruction! Whether it did or not remains to be seen.

What I find strange is that a number of sites that I found in a search via Google with the words "Tsunami HAARP" have been pulled and are no longer available for viewing. By whom?
Were they too close to the truth?

HAARP info disappearing 30.Dec.2004 17:28

peace rebel girl

i have tried doing more research on HAARP and as "IN the Know" has stated, much of the info has been pulled. Now, why would someone go and do that...

NOAA's role in warning nations is questioned 02.Jan.2005 19:58

repost

NOAA's role in warning nations is questioned
By Alan Wirzbicki, Globe Correspondent | December 29, 2004

Congress will investigate why the US government did not notify some nations lining the Indian Ocean of early indications that a deadly tsunami might be headed their way, a spokeswoman for Senator Olympia Snowe, Republican of Maine, said yesterday.

An early warning station in Hawaii operated by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration picked up signs that indicated a tsunami was possible on the afternoon of Christmas Day.

But only two countries in the affected region, Indonesia and Australia, both of which take part in the Pacific Ocean tsunami warning system, received the NOAA bulletin. Countries located across the Indian Ocean from the earthquake, including India and Sri Lanka, do not take part in the warning system.

Yet the tsunami took as long as two hours to reach some countries, and NOAA's critics say timely-- even unofficial -- warnings might have allowed people in coastal areas to flee.

Snowe is "exploring and looking into why NOAA was not able to provide this valuable, life-saving information to the 11 affected nations," Snowe's spokeswoman Antonia Ferrier said.

"Why didn't the people who monitor these things warn the Indian countries that a tsunami was about to hit them," said Nirj Deva, a member of the European Parliament said on the BBC. "Nobody was warned. All these people died unnecessarily."

Officials at NOAA's Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Hawaii have said that they lacked contacts in the Indian Ocean region, where tsunamis are rare.

The center is geared toward detecting tsunamis and issuing alerts in the Pacific region, where large, destructive waves are much more common.

"We need to figure out how to better coordinate their efforts with those nations beyond the Pacific Rim, into the Indian Ocean," Ferrier said.

NOAA released a statement yesterday confirming that at 2:59 p.m. Hawaii Standard Time on Saturday "the NOAA Pacific Tsunami Warning Center received an alarm that a significant earthquake had occurred off the west coast of northern Sumatra."

The agency added that a "bulletin stating that there was a possibility of a tsunami near the epicenter of the earthquake was issued 16 minutes later to nations that participate in the Pacific Ocean Tsunami Warning System. . . . India, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives are not part of the Pacific system."

Snowe chairs the Senate's Subcommittee on Oceans, Fisheries, and Coast Guard, which has oversight over the NOAA. April Boyd, a spokeswoman for ranking Democratic member John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, said she expected hearings on NOAA's reaction.

Detecting tsunamis is a two-part process, said MIT oceanographer Carl Wunsch. After seismographs detect an earthquake, underwater gauges monitor the ocean floor for changes in water pressure that indicate a tsunami.

Not all earthquakes result in tsunamis, which happen when a quake shifts parts of the ocean floor and displaces vast amounts of water.

"You can have big earthquakes and no measurable tsunamis," said Wunsch, who defended NOAA's reaction to the quake. "And you can have rather small earthquakes that produce large regional tsunamis."

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