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Atrocities in American Airports

I hope the rest of the world will start understanding what manifest destiny is. We are the conquerors; and to the victors, go the spoils. Hasn't that always been the American way? World domination is at hand. Why is everyone complaining about this? Especially this guy below. Love it or leave it.
If you, or someone from your family, have any plan to visit the US in a near future, I strongly suggest you to continue reading this text, where I describe the experiences I had in LA International Airport, late Feb 24, 2002.

My name is Ricardo Abude E. Da Silva, I'm an Electronic Engineer graduated in 1982 and today am managing our family´s businesses in the farming sector. My email is  ricabude@cpunet.com.br .

Throughout my 42 years of age I've travelled several times to the US, both on business and tourism. Late Feb 23 I embarked in Rio heading to LA, in possession of my third Visa to the US, issued in November 1999, and valid until November 2009.

I was aware of the increased airport security for US trips, due to Sep 11 attacks, and in Rio International Airport one can already notice the routine change, but I could have never imagined what would happen next.

From now on I describe, step by step, the horrendous and unimaginable nightmare that I went through :

Saturday Feb 23 21:50 hrs I depart from Rio with Varig flight RG 8836, going to LA.

Sunday Feb 24 07:00 hrs I arrive in LA and proceed towards passport control. The officer looks at my Passport for about five minutes, and asks me to proceed towards an INS office known as Secondary One. It is the first time something like that happens to me, but I imagine I´m going to be interviewed for additional information concerning my stay. Extra safety measures.... I thought.

Sunday Feb 24 07:30 hrs A Second officer asks me to collect all my luggage and accompany him inside Secondary One. ...the interview is going to be in there... I thought again. All of a sudden, I am brutally pushed inside a 2x2 yd cell, all my luggage, money, documents and personnal belongings are confiscated, and they take away my belt and shoe strings.

As I protest against the unexpected treatment, the two officers respond with loud screams and threats of beating me and keeping me confined. I am violently pushed against the wall, they frisk me from head to toe, and all my personnal belongings are searched.

Again I'm pushed against the wall, my picture is taken, I'm fingerprinted and am finally thrown into a filthy, stinky, unventilated hall, already crowded with people. I notice, by their looks, that they've gone through the same ritual, and even though I am still stunned by the long flight, the jet lag, and mainly by the violent, outraging disrespect of civil and human rights, I face the crude fact of life ...there's no such thing as interviews. I'm a prisoner.

Sunday Feb 24 09:00 hrs - The scene resembles a Greek tragedy, a 4x4 yd room, filthy chairs, a stinking black carpet, no ventilation, huge 50 TV turned on all the time volume blasting. Tired, hungry people, sick people, people throwing up....worried about a friend, who was waiting for me outside the airport I ask for a phone call.

- Shut up! No phone calls. - They answered.

Sunday Feb 24 10:00 hrs - Arrested, hungry, thirsty, no communication, and without the slightest ideia of what was going to happen next, I noticed the continuos flow of tourists coming to our cell and I face the degrading scandal the very same treatment is given to women, teenagers, children even elderly people - a truly barbarian act!

Revolted, I witness two INS officers disputing the priviledge of frisking the prettiest ladies, without any concern of hiding their sickening lust from their respective fathers, husbands or brothers, doing their commentaries, invitations, and obscene declarations right on their faces.

- I've just frisked a disgusting latino....now it's my turn to frisk this Italian fox! - stated an Officer to his coleague, refering to the wife of an Italian tourist. The blunt disrespect made my stomach churn in revolt....

Kicking, pushing, screaming, threathening, heavily armed bullies displayed their brutallity, prejudice, and arrogance upon the constant flow of tourists coming into our cell, getting more and more crowded by the minute, holding an unbearable stench....

Sunday Feb 24 14:00 hrs - After seven hours of ordeal, I'm finally taken to an almost surrealistic interview with Officer Sanchez, and Officer Lee, both subordinate to Officer Green, from INS. He explains to me that since all my papers and my Visa were in perfect order, he would kindly give me two options:

- The first was to sign a document in which I requested the withdrawal of my Visa, returning to Brazil in the first available flight.

- If I refused to sign the hoax I'd be arrested for an undetermined period and he'd start a compulsory deportation process, sending me back to my Country thus.
A important detail on the deal - while I refused to sign the document I'd not receive any food, or water. What would you choose? Oh well, me too.

Sunday Feb 24 16:00 hrs - I am taken, with another five prisoners, to a different cell. We are all handcuffed, and escorted by armed officers, we are made to stroll through the airport lounge. The terrified tourists make way, frightened by the grotesc scene. They take us all to a Van, parked outside the terminal, and transfer us to the other cell. The humiliation is suffocating ....

- Sunday Feb 24 17:00 hrs - Apparently, they have forgotten to make me sign a few forms at the Secondary One, so I'm taken again for a couple of strolls ( going there and coming back ) in the Airport Lounge. Those strolls remember? With cuffs and escorts?

Sunday Feb 24 18:00 hrs - Due to my unceasing protests, they finally allow me to make a phone call. I contact a Lawyer in LA, in the hope he'd get me out of that hell, but the information I get from him is even more surprising, and disheartening:

- Ricardo, the INS grounds at the Airport are not legally considered American soil, so I cannot invoke any civil right to take you out of there.... he tells me. How about that ???

In other words: I realize I'm in a no-man's land, a lawless place, arrested by arbitrary Nazis in the guise of INS Officers, that, due to this legal technicality, have the power to do whatever they please with you - and what is worse - with your family. I start to dream of the moment of catching a plane back home to Brazil.....however, before that, I'd still go through the worst night of my life.....

Night of Sunday to Monday Feb 25 I start to dread the moment in which tiredness is going to win the battle and make me lie down on those filthy chairs. It´s very cold, but even so, the prospect of using the slimy blankets is not at all attractive.

Five officers are in the night shift, and feeling bored, they pass time kicking disgusting Chinese's , cursing stupid niggers, threatening filthy latinos. Our uneducated officers are unable to articulate three consecutive words without using the F.. word, and we spend the night immersed in this sea of racial prejudice, brutallity, violence, arrogance and cowardice.

A curious note: our cell had two immense posters hanging on the walls. Look at that - one was a huge map of Brazil, and the other was a picture of Ouro Preto - a historical city in Central Brazil. Both seemed to convey a silent, but eloquent invitation .....

Monday Feb 25 13:00 hrs - After the worse 30 hours of my life, two armed officers escort me to my plane ( Varig flight RG 8837 ) and deliver my passport to the stewardess. They set guard by the plane door until take off. Just a last minute humiliation I guess....

Tuesday Feb 26 07:30 hrs - I arrive tired, but immensely happy in Cumbica International Airport, in SP. I call my girlfriend Sarah in Belo Horizonte. After her recovery from the initial shock and the necessary explanations I invite her to celebrate our unexpected meeting with a trip - to Ouro Preto - of course!

I relate this unfortunate episode hoping to bring these facts to light, to a wider number of people. Maybe those who, like me, were planning an innocent trip to this country might think twice before permitting their wifes, parents and children to be subjected to this infamous tribe of uncivilized barbarians.

Daily, in every American Airport, hundreds of people from the four corners of the world are falling into the claws of these arrogant, racist, brutes, barbarian Nazis, and I think every single citizen of the globe shall contribute in whichever way they can to end this grotesc stain from the face of the free world.

The terrorists put down WTC's twin towers, but they will achieve a far greater victory if they succeed in bending down the spirit, the values and ideals that guided America since it's very birth as an independent Nation.

Having visited the US so many times, and knowing with reasonable depth the history of this Country, I must say that the attitudes and methods of the INS Officers do not reflect the way of being and thinking of the majority of the American People, and surely do not reflect the values and ideals I referred to above.

However, the overwhelming majority of the thousands of tourists that are going daily through this sad experience in American Airports do not have this perspective, and they are going back to their countries carrying in their hearts the seeds of hatred, violence and intolerance that end up germinating in tragedies such as Sep 11.

To Mr G. Bush one suggestion: in the attempt to erradicate the World of terrorism and it's Evil Axis, start at home - in the American Immigration and Naturalization Service - INS.

A very important note: this narrative would not be complete without doing justice to Victor - one of the INS officers. He came into our cell Monday morning. Right when I lay my eyes on him I noticed a different glow, quickly explained by his attitudes: he'd take care of one of us, feed and give water to another, he was always ready to help, at least send a smile, say a friendly word....

He moved like a star, shedding light into the darkness. I had the priviledge to talk with him for a few minutes, when I had the chance to convey my admiration, respect and gratitude for what he was doing for all those people, brutally subjected to such a painful experience.

Son of Mexican Immigrants, educated in India, and possessing a spirituality impossible to hide behind such shinning eyes, this man, who represents so well the best of the East and the West told me simply .. Ricardo, I don't do much, all I can do is try to transmit to these people a little compassion, a little love....

May God always guard you and bless you Victor, as you guard and bless so many.... A last suggestion to the US President consider promoting Victor to the post of Foreign Relations Minister, what he deserves more than anyone. I'm certain that, in a very short time, he'd reverse the already beaten up image of the US with the rest of the world.

His attitude reflect perfectly the spirit and the values that have created America, and proves that one cannot possilbly combat terrorism by becoming himself a terrorist one should employ that ancient technique - turning the other cheek.

Finally, I want to say that I have already done the following :
1. Filed a formal complain at the American Embassy in Brasilia.
2. Filed a formal complain at the Brazilian Foreign Affairs Ministry
3. Send a copy of this text in Portuguese and in English to the Internet, newspapers, magazines, websites, and Human Rights International Institutions.

I hereby authorize any individual or corporation to divulge or reproduce this text partially or in its entirety, making it a public domain, as I believe this case is.

May God bless us all.
Ricardo Abude E. da Silva

Note from the editor: Ricardo is the brother of a friend of mine, a Rotarian from the same club as I, so I'm publishing his story without any doubt that it is completely true. My Rotary Club, in the brazilian district 4550, will send a letter to Rotary International's president suggesting he visits the US President to formely protest against this kind of behavior.

 http://www.london-daily.co.uk/art/abude.htm

should have said something 15 years ago 28.Dec.2004 11:10

abu salem

now you know how people of the middle east have been treated like this at airports all over the world since the struggle for palestine started.

you should have fought for their rights then.

when are humans going to learn that to fight for the rights of one, is to fight for the rights of all.

when the rights of one have been taken away, it's only a matter of time before they take everyone's right away.

waky, waky!

Do the numbers add up? 28.Dec.2004 19:29

artichoke

He's an electronic engineer graduated in 1982. He's 42 years old. It's now 2004.

So he graduated 2004 - 1982 = 22 years ago.

He was then 42 - 22 = 20 years old.

That's pretty young to graduate in engineering. Assuming you start university at 17 and take 4 years to complete an engineering curriculum (both numbers on the low end of the normal range) you would be 21 years old at graduation. I am surprised that, as an engineer (a numbers guy), he didn't at least comment on these possible but surprising numbers.

Just another whiner crying about an overstay 28.Dec.2004 19:51

Law Man

What the author doesn't tell us is the reason for his detention. Although his B1/B2 visa is good for a certain period of time, it appears that he overstayed his alloted time on a prior visit. Overstays of less than 180 days result in exclusion from the U.S. for 3 years. Overstays of over 180 days result in exclusion from the U.S. for 10 years. This was existing federal immigration law prior to 2001. However, the law is being enforced more strictly than before. As for the officers, they are not INS officers but officers of a redesignated agency responsible for customs and entry control into this country. My advice to the Brazilian engineer--you would not have placed yourself in the predicament that you found yourself if you had complied with U.S. immigration laws during your prior visit.

not full story 28.Dec.2004 19:59

D. Rucker dmrucker@aol.com

I am the Assistant Senior Customs Officer at LAX. I was on staff the when Mr Abude was detained. He has left out some improtant details about his "ordeal." He was extremely uncooperative. For the first 2 hours Mr. Abunde "forgot" he new English. He quickly remembered the language when he realized his stay would be prolonged. His passport's photo was altered and could not give a reason for the alteration. There are many other things I can go into, but I have already walked a thin line sharing these details. All the facts of this case must be discussed to paint an accurate picture.

To seve and protect, eh? 28.Dec.2004 20:41

Ex-lawman

So, if an otherwise law-abiding professional from Brazil overstays his visa from a previous trip, he is rightfully subjected to co-ercion, dehydration and threats of starvation? To say nothing of the sexual harrassment and racially-motivated abuse of the other prisoners?

This is exactly why I got out of law enforcement; I simply couldn't stand to breathe the same air as the throngs of sociopathic sadists that hide behind a gun and a badge.

It's always the same crap. Knock a couple teeth out of a mexican? Hey, he should have had proof of insurance. Catch a 'freebie' from a streetwalker while she's cuffed? She should have found a different profession. Plant a gun on a bad shoot? The kid shouldn't have tried to run from the po-lice.. and on and on and on.

There's bad apples in every bunch, but when this sadistic, criminal activity becomes institutionalized and legitimized you've realy got a problem... as the debacle in Abu Ghraib lavishly illustrated. Of course, that wasn't 'technically on American Soil', either.. but it still spoke volumes about the national character (and the people whose job it *should* be to represent her in a reasonably professional and honorable way).

just the beginning... 28.Dec.2004 20:58

chr0naut

As the Antichrist assumes power, the systems of his control will become increasingly corrupt.

Those who are drawn into the lie and bound by the truth of their actions will increasingly say they are doing good, legal things... by their fruits you shall know them.

Now is the time to choose sides. There will be no middle ground. Either side with and seek the God who created you for his pleasure and love, or side with the system of this world.

The coming judgements are real. I fervently hope you see the clouds on the horizon and choose the right path.

A 'feel good-do good' religious faith is not a ticket to Heaven. Now is the time for action!

Repent.

Congratulations on not being D. Rucker 28.Dec.2004 21:01

The real deal.

Very gud for you. Sometimes the Senior Customs Officur of LAX can have better speeling and be able to use a spell checkers. but i am sure he already new this.

ouch 28.Dec.2004 21:05

ted

'-the big screen TV was too loud.' -yeah, those re-runs of "I love Lucy" can be hell, Ricardo...

responding to the INS guy.. 28.Dec.2004 21:29

blackranger blackranger@mail.com

hi
you seem like a guy troubled by what you have to do..I applaud you for commenting on the 22/44 yr old "engineer"..from sth america..
1....however you should be aware..one day the "fact" that some places at lax are "not US soil" will be overturned...and then there WILL be consequences..for you and the other INS officers..I'm sure your union has advised you of this
..it will be like hitlers officers saying..."I was just following orders.."
2...the fact that you parade them before the "audience" in taking them from one cell to another..IS "...taking them ONTO US soil.."
if the GENERAL PUBLIC is there..ITS...." US SOIL"
3..this will lead to people who receive this treatment..asking lawyers..and one day A REAL LAWYER will tell them "..yes we can sue." at the very least for "intentional infliction of emotional harm..".in parading them before an audience with intent to humilaiate them..
ask your union lawyers..
usually they are good lawyers..looking to protect you..
its very tough times
Take care
BLACKRANGER

ludicrous reactionaries 28.Dec.2004 21:49

tim

Artichoke finds that this guy graduated one year early and hints at dismissing the whole story based on this profound fact. Truly a deep thinker.
Smucker wants us to believe that the assistant head customs mucky-muck at LAX is a regular at Portland Indymedia. ROTFLMAO -- unless he was sent here by some right-wing gang to spy and defame.
Ex-Lawman makes a helluva good reposte to Lawman. Good shot!
And as for you, Ted, fuck you for a chauvinist pig! You sound like someone who made a joke, post-Abu Ghraib, about how many Iraqis would fit in a telephone booth. (Actually, a pig is a noble animal compared to you.)
People with moral principles and empathy for all humans, and especially anti-Stalin reds like me, hate the kind of bullying described here. Do you pigs actually have the nerve to deny that it exists and is widespread?


D. Rucker...... I suggest.... 28.Dec.2004 21:52

Julie/England

that you check out your staff more. I too have come thru customs at your airport and seen with my own eyes how the staff treat certain people. There is really no need for handcuffs / bad manners or male staff doing body checks on females. Yes, I too had to wait for a friend who had for some reason on your part been detained - no visa violation - no luggage violation - She was just blonde and well stacked. Your male staff wanted to check if her breasts were real or plastic and she refused to answer so they took her out of queue instead for a body frisk. We will never return to USA - Our business dealings are being wound up in your country. Yes, we too have lodged a complaint with the American Embassy in London and lodged a complaint with British foreign affairs. So don't come it D. Rucker - too many stories now coming out from people about US inhumane treatment of it's visitors.

chr0naut 29.Dec.2004 00:33

inChrist

amen!!!!!

visiting a TERRORIST STATE? 29.Dec.2004 00:52

citizen of the republic citizen~k@hotmail.com

ATTENTION! To All foreigners: (foreign-citizens-as-visitors/tourists/travellors) * Do not visit a terrorist state incorporated as U.S.of A., read our history of domination of world's resources, start with human resources as with our legal practice of Master/Slave relationships a.k.a., institutional exploitation of humans as property: Slavery(human resources management) in America, Inc. You should also learn more of our historic acts of terrorism and treason against the Crown (Britain) which chartered(incorporated) us on this continent to enslave and kill native peoples, commmit acts of genocide, build financial corporate empires by the rule of law. Corporate law.

A simple solution 29.Dec.2004 01:40

Jean-Pierre Rivard jprivard @hotmail.com

I am Canadian and have visited the usa without visa or passport for decades, and i found a solution to the new attitude of Americans toward visitors. I STAY HOME or go to China or France, if a neighbor does not really want you to visit why insist. If we all stayed home the volume of visitors would disappear and the thugs would be out of work. Jean-Pierre Rivard, Racine Quebec Canada

RE. Do the numbers add up? 29.Dec.2004 02:34

Mack

In 1976 I was attending engineering school in what should have been my senior year
however I took 5 years to graduate. I had the pleasure of attending classes with one A. Ghupta
who was 15 at the time, he wasnt even old enough to drive and he was taking senior level
engineering courses. So my point is don't focus on the trite portion of the story
and realize that we are basically living in a full blown fascist state. Our government
has adopted policies, procedures, and enacted laws that surely have Stalin and Hitler
turning green with envy from their graves. All this under the pretense of protecting us
from terroism. I am orders of magnitude more afraid of a repressive fascist state, that holds
forth the most brazen lies under the guise of "keeping us safe" than I am of any terroist group.
"They hate us for our freedoms" just does not add up in my book. How about they hate us because
our foreign policies have been so repressive and heavy handed for the last 50 years they will resort to any method
available to reverse them? The current airport security charade is just one more incremental step not in a "war on terroism"
yet rather in a war on the American people as a whole sponsered in full by the second term unelected goverment.
While the Dept of Homeland Security (can you even dream up a more Nazi sounding name?) is assaulting innocent
men, women and children in our airports our southern border is composed primarily of swiss cheese, approximately 4000 illegals/day
freely walk into our country unimpeded. I could go on for hours but any sane thinking person that is reading this
should already be aware of what I am addressing.

On behalf of myself and the majority of Americans that voted for a change in our national direction I offer my apologies to Ricardo Abude E. Da Silva
we don't like this situation any more than you do.

A quote from an articulate American that cannot be repeated often enough in this day and age.
(If I were "dictator for the day" I would have it posted in every school in America)

"Those who trade their freedoms for security deserve and will receive neither"
Benjamin Franklin

The Name of the Game 29.Dec.2004 03:05

David in Wimborne.

The Name of the Game is intimidation, not only of the travellers that have been picked out, but also of the other onlookers.In the US of American sheep "you watch what you say and don't step one inch out of line."

DIRECTED TO "LAWMAN" 29.Dec.2004 05:48

Blkbat

It seem's people in law enforcement ALWAYS take sides with other law enforcement personel (be they right or wrong.Im an American citizen (NATIVE AMERICAN),several years ago,my irlfriend and i returned from a trip to England.Upon or return,to Ohare int airport,we were escorted to a room where to armed INS bullies frisked in front of me while the abusers laughed in my faced, and dared me to do anything about it.I won't bore you with the details of thr red tape that came from my complaint.After more than 20hrs of being held against or will,given no food,water ,or phone call,subjected to the most horrible verbal abuse that i've ever experienced,we were released.
I did'nt get mad, I WAS TOLD THEY GOT WHAT WAS COMING TO THEM.After more than 4 months of gathering personal information about my 2 abusive INS personel,(1 AT A TIME) THE 2 OF THEM SUFFERED CAREER ENDING ACCIDENTS.
ABUSER # 1 THE FRISKER HAD AMEETING WITH A LOUISVILLE SLUGGER ONE NIGHT AFTER WORK AS WE ENTERED HIS CAR.(for the life of me, i DON'T KNOW WHO'D DO SUCH A THING)
I heard abuser #2 got shot in an attempted robbery(or so it looked like).
AS YOU SEE JUSTICE COMES IN ALL FORMS as it did with these 2 They reaped what they sowed...who knows how many people these 2 had abused during they're career,,,but that won't happen again!

Like the man said....... 29.Dec.2004 05:49

Qualia

All of these barbaric and thoroughly ignorant US "inspector" types will reap what they continue to sow 1000 times over - quite simply, Cause and Effect.

And no uniform, weapon or safety in numbers will help them in their moment of need.

They wont see it coming, but it will come, in fact it is already on the way - it is only a question of WHEN and not a question of IF.

It may not even be directly seen to be related to their barbaric acts - it could arrive in the form of a terminal illness, an insane mind, massive financial loss, but it will come as it has come for many others in the past.

For those travelling to the US I can only recommend that despite what you experience, that you open your hearts and offer your other cheek.

ACLU wants to hear of airport abuses 29.Dec.2004 05:50

Lori

The ACLU just recently published a form on the Internet for filing complaints against aggressive airport screening procedures. I filed one last week. Our family of four (birthright U.S. citizens), including our children ages 7 and 9, were told that we "fit the terrorist profile" recently for traveling on one-way tickets to be with my father during his last days of cancer. It would not have been possible to schedule round-trip flights, because no funeral date could be set while my father was still alive. The day after the funeral, we attempted to return home, and were given an ultimatum that our children would only be exempt from a body search only if we allowed airport personnel to take them, which of course we did not agree to. So all four of us were body searched in full public view, with no regard for the grief that we were still feeling from the funeral of the previous day.

I am very sorry for what many of you from abroad have experienced, and hope that this form will help to change things.

In faith,
Lori C.
Pennsylvania

 https://www.aclu.org/Feedback/Feedback.cfm?R=58

Horrified by cruel mistreatment 29.Dec.2004 05:52

Anonymous

Even had he overstayed a past visit and even if his passport photo appeared to have been altered in some way, there is no excuse for the thuggery, intimidation, racism, and terroristic behavior to which he was subjected by people employed by and acting on behalf of the American public. If it was correct to deny him admission to the United States, he still should have been treated with courtesy, dignity, and respect.

Do the numbers add up? Yess 29.Dec.2004 06:54

An Engineer

Dear Artichoke,

It is possible to graduate at 20. My friend's dob is 12 June 1971, and he graduated with me in April 1992. Mine is 20th Mar 1971. We both are engineers with 4 years course starting in Aug 1988.

As you can see, on our graduation I was 21 years old, whereas my friend was about to celebrate his 21st birthday.

At graduation, my friend was running 21st year of his life and I was running 22nd.

Hope this clears the matter.

-AE

The Age of Graduation 29.Dec.2004 06:55

northwest

The age of graduation is a non-issue. I have a relation that was in an American graduate school when only age 19.

I find plenty of contact information to allow verification.

What disturbs me most is the sexual abuse. I have read of others being mauled.

As a servant of Christ, I'm really disgusted by this nation that claims to be "under god", and the Christians that persist in supporting Bush.

systematic humiliation 29.Dec.2004 08:35

ally kendall

the destruction of the world trade center and the drone attack on the pentagon were planned
for the purpose of instituting a regime of humiliation and degradation so that your children
can be raped and killed with impunity. the only realistic solution to this mess is to design
a virus which will kill off those 500 or so families which are planning to depopulate the earth.

To my fellow sheeple of the US... 29.Dec.2004 09:42

Scared of Homeland Security

"If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They will have enough to eat, a bed, and a roof over their heads." -Dwight D. Eisenhower 12/8/49 WAKE THE F@*K UP AMERICA!

Couldn't agree more Mack 29.Dec.2004 10:11

Wolfy

In fact I agree so strongly, I'm going to go ahead and take care of repeating that quote for you:

"Those who trade their freedoms for security deserve and will receive neither."
Benjamin Franklin

What's that, lunatic right? You have nothing to say about that quote? Why not go pray on it for a spell, maybe Jay-zus has the right retort for you.

We Don't Need This 29.Dec.2004 10:13

Frolich

Experiences like these, and the unpleasant atmosphere I experienced the last time I flew anywhere, have convinced me that the airlines can do without my business. Increasing numbers of friends feel the same way.

I feel badly for international business travelers who used to be welcomed and treated with consideration.

The "friendly skies" (if you even get that far) are far from friendly - or even comfortable - anymore.

Americans should pay attention! 29.Dec.2004 11:08

al davis

You are lucky you didn't "disappear" into the torture mills the American elite are running.

Americans can brush aside such incidences, but sooner or later, they will not be able to get out of America.

I second Mack's apology. 29.Dec.2004 11:25

tim

Title says it all and kudos to the English woman for her reply to Schmucker. But the non-chauvinist Americans, and we are many, DO want you to come back and visit us!

Disgusted in Bush's America 29.Dec.2004 12:29

An American Citizen

I just want the world to know that the majority of Americans didn't turn out for this year's U.S. election in RECORD NUMBERS to re-elect an idiot like G.W. Bush. No, we actually turned out to REMOVE him from office. And once again, he and his 'cronies' cheated and lied their way to another so-called 'victory' (using rigged electronic voting). I and all other Americans blame him for everything that has happened before and since 9/11. There is too much evidence to just ignore it, at this point. One would literally have to be so ignorant as to be stupid, not to notice. Just know that we are here, we are educated and we are waiting for the right moment to end his time in government and others like him. In only hope it's not too late. The majority of us, sad as it may seem, have never considered leaving this country, until now. I've even done serious research into it. My heart goes out to you and everyone else in the WORLD who has experienced this in our country. I am ashamed to be called an American and I never thought I'd ever say that. Please accept my apology, though I understand that it will do little to make up for your experience.

Sincerely,

An American Citizen

Are we having FUN yet? 29.Dec.2004 12:36

Decoymaker

What 's the matter with people in this country? Has Truth& knowledge become a tabboo to behold and not contimplated on? The US Inc. govt' that we live under is a Facist democracy wether you want to understand that point in this era or NOT! Our Money system is controlled by a few people and not our elected govt'!
But policy is being made by these same people who our elected leaders bow too.

You can sit there an call me every name in the book for all I care! It will not change the fact that this govt' is working outside our sovereign National Constitution! We live under the, "Color of law" , and not National Constitutional Common Law. Since 1933 ! An ever since! This country has deteriorated. In every facet of government. But people donot understand it because they are comfortable ! Benign to the realities that will be coming down on them in the very near future. We are controlled threw the very money system that we except as defacto law . Our money under the National Constitution is ILLEGAL!!! Shall I say it again for you? It is ILLEGAL TENDER!
And it strips everyones wealth from them and buying power threw slow degradation and Inflation onto the people which is a HIDDEN TAX onto them! The FED is like giving the Fox the key to the Chicken COOP! That's how downed down America has become. If you want to trully undersdtand why this government is BROKE and deterioated from inside! You have to study up on your NATIONAL Constitution and Laws pertaining to it! Our Nation! OUR Nation IS being slowly and surelly taken away from us threw a Subversive money system that is a HOAX, A PONSI Scheme! Controoled by FOREIGN Bankers. UhHUMMM! Foreign Bankers? How do you see Foreigners looking at this country these days? Not to good are they? And then we have the Euro dollar competeing against the US Dollar note fabrication? Which is also controlled by FOREIGN BANKERS! You people just don't get it out there. Inflation has destroyed our money to which it now only has the buying power of about .08 cents! And guess who's Buying the gold to which they will control everyone in the world with once this Paper Fiat money system collapses? That's right Kids! The same GD Banks that is controlling our money system NOW! And people wonder why they can never get government to listen to National constitutional issues in the Supreme Court? Hell! They work for these same Bankers that are working to RUIN OUR COUNTRY! GO SEARCH if you donot believe me! DON'T! I don't really care anymore. But it's the truth! W the F-U !!!!!!!!!

got it off your chests yet? 29.Dec.2004 13:30

cleareyes

So, instead of all the anti-u.s. rhetoric expressed here, isn't somebody interested in the progress of abude's complaints? Actually documenting the occurrence of this kind of travesty with hard evidence would seem to be constructive. This incident occurred almost 3 years ago. Has no one received any recent updates on the status of his complaints? I suppose I could try e-mail him myself and hope for a response. And dm-rucker...somehow, even though an e-mail address was left, it's hard to believe such a person is logging onto little old portland indymedia to check up on this story, so I find the validity of his claims about being who he says he is, suspect. Of course if he'd like to offer some additional information to confirm, he's welcome to do that.

don't fly! 29.Dec.2004 13:44

anony mouse

It's obvious the airlines were in on 911 all the way. Where are all the airport gate videos of the hijackers anyway? Not to mention DMV videos when they all got drivers licenses. How about those put-options on airline stock just before 911? Where ARE those hijacked planes? Especially the one that supposedly hit the pentagon? No jumbo jet ever crashed there. Check the photos if you can still find them. Seeing is believing. Forget that feel-good crap on A&E, the airlines are gulity of co-operating with the perpetrators of the horror, FLATOUT! Cell phone calls from a jet? You CANNOT make a cell call from a cruising jet. Try it. Just look at the reception area strength graph on your cell phone as you take off. See it disappear! Nothing is more spook-related than the dear old airlines. Just ask Howard Hughes! Better to take the train or Greyhound if you can. But you'll just watch more "Airline" on A&E and get all comfy and fuzzy about flying again. SUCKER!!

Will America wake up to what is happening in our own back yard? 29.Dec.2004 15:25

David M. Former US Marine, Son of World War 2 veteran CastleDavid2005@lycos.com

Hello one and all;
How is everybody doing in this wonderful earth we are living in these days??? I'm just going day by day as I'm going through this wonderful country today, thanking God for being alive as I am after serving this country as a US Marine soldier, 20 years ago. My father before me was an officer under General George S. Patten in North Africa and the rest of the conflict.
Well, after looking after quite a few million pages of websites of what our country is going through and what our leaders are doing to this country, why do I bother in being an American Citizen after all??? Why??? I did my salutes to Marine Officers, even a General! But God has given every single person the abiltity to think for himself and to make the right choices in life in this universe we live and unfortunately, well, there are a select few in high powers of office who would "think" otherwise to take away those freedoms of life we hold so dearly. But it makes us who we are! Where we go in this life! What we do in life! But I'll be "DARNED" if I'm going to continue being a private citizen and still have to kiss cheeks and say I'm an American when our leaders are doing their damnest to rid this country of every fiber in our beings and treat us like dogs the way those bastards treated people in those concentration camps in NAZI Germany. To be in a concentration camp I think is, we don't need fences to have them close us in, they already have them already, we just don't know about it. I would rather suffer the humiliation outside this country because I am a human being rather then to hold a "sign" in my forehead saying I'm an American, please kick my butt, the US Government gives you permission to do so at your discretion. I'll tell you what, if there are more atrocities in this country the next 4 years with the President we have now, let me shake my hand to you and say, "Asta Lavista, Baby". You can be the pansy, not me! What will happen in the next 4 years will tell all! Semper FI! Totally committed to God and country!

Email me of what you think of this letter from this former US Marine soldier!
 CastleDavid2005@lycos.com

Detestable treatment of visitors to our country 29.Dec.2004 15:25

Peter

I had not heard of this incident before and the kind of treatment which some foreign visitors are receiving in this country at Customs offices at airports such as Los Angeles. This is indeed detestable treatment which is inexcusable, even if Riccardo may have overstayed his visa on a previous visit. This kind of treatment by Customs people of visitors is a "wonderful" way to create enemies and people who hate this country.

Can we think any less of the kind of treatment which the average American receives at security check points at the airports? The American gestapo in action. It's like the frog put in lukewarm water and gradually turn up the heat. By the time the frog realizes he's in a pot of boiling water, it's too late---he's cooked! It is a process of conditioning--getting Americans to give up their freedoms and submit to inspections and invasions of their privacy--all in the name of security. They had a Department of Homeland Security in Germany, too. What happened to the average German's "security" under Hitler?

We are moving rapidly toward fascism in this country. For some visitors like Riccardo, it is already here.

Americans should not take their freedom and liberty for granted. Benjamin Franklin's quote is very appropriate. Those who willingly give up their freedoms for security, deserve neither.

Rucker 29.Dec.2004 16:06

JS

I read your account of your ordeal at LAX at  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306916.shtml.

Someone alleging to be an LAX customs officer posted a response, to wit:



not full story 28.Dec.2004 19:59

D. Rucker  dmrucker@aol.com link

I am the Assistant Senior Customs Officer at LAX. I was on staff the when Mr Abude was detained. He has left out some improtant details about his "ordeal." He was extremely uncooperative. For the first 2 hours Mr. Abunde "forgot" he new English. He quickly remembered the language when he realized his stay would be prolonged. His passport's photo was altered and could not give a reason for the alteration. There are many other things I can go into, but I have already walked a thin line sharing these details. All the facts of this case must be discussed to paint an accurate picture.

(end of Rucker response)


I hope you, Mr. Abude, will answer Rucker's accusations about your concealing your ability to speak English and about your passport photo having been altered, not that either accusation, even if true, excuses what happened to you.

Too bad Mr. Rucker is walking such a "thin line" for his mess of pottage, or he might enlighten us with further excuses for flushing his liberty, along with everybody else's, down the toilet.

America is full to overflowing with such cowards and bullies as did Rucker's dirty work for him. Many are nothing more than criminals which is why they have to wear masks in order to avoid being identified.

Thank God for these forums 29.Dec.2004 16:14

RogueOne

Yes, thank the good Lord for this gem in our lives: the internet forum.
Evidently, many of our society's instituions are failing us. This poor man became a victim of cruelty - as have so many others around the world.

The US Government (military, state dept., INS, Customs), airlines, airports, police, US media, Red Cross, UN, and even the Brazilian governement - all failed to help him, or serve justice. The Institutions allow and facilitate abuse.

Realistically, there was nothing else he could do but resort to the internet here. For those non-US citizens: Amen. Those of us who've learned and know of the abusive US government ...we are sorry. I know all about the US/Israeli complicity in 9-11. Not to mention the fraudulent wars and regime sabotage in Venezuela, Haiti, Ukraine, etc. Unfortunately, people like us are extremely outnumbered here. There is very little we can do.

Our vote's get switched by preprogrammed computers. Our protests are met by heavily armed storm-troopers, putting us in jail. Our letters to papers go ignored. Our websites, attacked. The internet is all we have now.

Fly no more 29.Dec.2004 16:31

Former air traveler

I used to fly with wife 8-10 times a year accompanying her to conferences. Now we drive, even if it's on the other coast. The best way to bring this nonsense to a halt is to vote with your wallet.

Lawman 29.Dec.2004 16:39

JS

P.S. I just noticed "Lawman's" remarks at the same address which I had skipped over before.

I hope Mr. Abude will also answer Lawman's accusations about overstaying on previous visas. How could these homeland security baboons at the airport get and keep track of that kind of information, which would normally be the job of whoever issues visas, and why, if indeed they did suspect you of overstaying previous visas, they didn't simply inform you rather than treating you as a potential terrorist?

The truth is that "homeland security" (and their supporters like "lawman",) is a criminal organization that makes up the rules as they go along. They have been coached to utter whatever sounds like a plausible excuse on the spur of the moment, then hide behind national security secrecy if challenged.

no man's land 29.Dec.2004 16:52

JS

Abude wrote"


"Sunday Feb 24 18:00 hrs - Due to my unceasing protests, they finally allow me to make a phone call. I contact a Lawyer in LA, in the hope he'd get me out of that hell, but the information I get from him is even more surprising, and disheartening:

- Ricardo, the INS grounds at the Airport are not legally considered American soil, so I cannot invoke any civil right to take you out of there.... he tells me. How about that ???

In other words: I realize I'm in a no-man's land, a lawless place, arrested by arbitrary Nazis in the guise of INS Officers, that, due to this legal technicality, have the power to do whatever they please with you - and what is worse - with your family. I start to dream of the moment of catching a plane back home to Brazil.....however, before that, I'd still go through the worst night of my life....."


If this is the case, would some lawman or other defender of homeland security please explain to me whose laws are enforced at LAX.

Farm Animals 29.Dec.2004 21:13

United States Marines Corp/0311

I apologize on behalf of the American people. These undisciplined - tiny endowed farm animals need to make up for their self esteem somehow.

Your papers please.... 30.Dec.2004 06:26

katie

Hi!

I'm very sad about this man's treatment at the airport. As a former wife of a Police officer in a big city, I can fairly well say that power does corrupt. The human animal seems very susceptible to the misuse of power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. No doubt about it.


Some years ago I dreamed of traveling to Europe. I thought it would be a nice vacation. Now, after hearing all the terror stories about flying I don't want to fly again. I don't care if I never take another flying trip. I feel unsafe from all the horror stories I have read about rough security at airports. Forget it. Also, I don't want to be treated with hatred because I am American. I can't help that. I understand now if people hate Americans. I am sorry, but I have no control over the corporate/government aka USA INC. I don't even vote anymore. Why bother? Voting isn't legit.

I don't feel there is much hope for the future. Everything seems hopelessly corrupted. I can't imagine anything getting better here on earth. My whole life, since kindergarten, has been to be frightened with bomb drills (yes, I was suppose to be safe hiding under my desk) and movies like the
Day After and all the fear I've lived through such as the American/Cuba missle crisis & Vietnam war and watching young men die on the news while I tried to eat my dinner as a kid. Oh, shall I not forget watching the President Kennedy assassination as a small child at school on tv. How perfectly horrible.

I feel the old men (policy makers) of the past are still operating today. The same old group of geezers are still fleecing America. I let you, gentle reader, figure out which old group of geezers I'm referring to. My one wish is that the greedy owners of humanity would just go away. I don't care where they go; Hopefully they will go far away from humanity.

Okay, this is wishful thinking. But, I really do feel deeply for all the people of the world. I feel connected to the good men and women and the children. I feel connected to the family of man. In this sense of connectedness I feel a great sadness that all my earth years have been manipulated for some greedy profit by some controlling geezer group. Very sad.

I'd like to express my good will to the man who wrote the article. I think during these hostile times it would probably be best not to do business here. I don't think we have a business friendly climate. If you have to do business here, maybe you can send a representative that will be prepared for extensive screening procedures. Who would think in America you would have to present your 'papers' in order to travel?

I've noticed the older generation, the "me", generation seems to approve of what is going on in this country. Incredible. Maybe It is because what is happening right now with the eroding of freedoms is not directly affecting them. Maybe because the dying that is going on right now does not involve anyone of their family. I've notice that this aging "Me generation" group that supports the current policies are not very computer literate. They seem to get their only news from mainstream corporate television "car commercial" sponsored news. Could this be why they vote as they do? This supportative group of the political rulers have not paid a price yet. They have not paid a price for the costs of a financed war. But they will. We all will. Note: if you want to make a small protest, stop buying new cars.

The voting "ME" generation is not going to like it when they have less. And, they will lose in the end because after all it is just a "game" or a "job" to those who hurt us isn't it? This is a sick game of profit making, power brokering, racketeering, and endless fear. It isn't right. It isn't American. It isn't fair.

God bless us.
God bless all the good people of Good will on earth. God bless the peacemakers.

Happy New Year,
Be Well,
katie

I also knew the secondary... 30.Dec.2004 07:52

Latin traveler tropicalcattleya@yahoo.fr

In the summer 2003, my tunisian daughters and I were travelling from Tunisia to my home country in Central America. While I had a fresh valid visa (10 years ahead), my daughters (14 and 12)were travelling under the "Transit without visa" modality, that they have already used in previous trips. As soon as we arrived to Migration, at Miami airport, they saw my daughters tunisian passports, and immediately sent the 3 of us to the famous office ...Reason? the fact of having a Tunisian passport!, no matter their young age (I'm married to a Tunisian citizen, but I keep my country's own passport and nationality). Of course, they didn't treat us kindly at all, and we spent there, documents and luggage confiscated, from 21 h to 3 am. We lost our connection flight and there were moments we thought they were going to send us back to Tunisia. For my daughters, who loved the idea to pass by USA, country of many of their music idols, like all the teenagers, this was a very disturbing and traumatic experience. They felt betrayed. They were simply innocents, as I was, too. The end of the ordeal arrived when an official female came and let us go free, without giving us any explanation. I must say in my case, the angel was the Iberia's agent at Miami airport, who conforted us during the 6 hours of "emprisonement". I must say I wasn't transfered to any jail or whatever, like the Brazilian citizen. But they never gave us food or anything. We were sleepy and tired, sitting in those horrible chairs for 6 hours, after the long trip Madrid-Miami, with other travelers (jordanians, palestinians, with babies and crying toddlers...).
A traumatic experience for someone who just had to make a stop over of 2 hours!
As a result of multiple cases like our, Iberia has moved the connection flights fron Miami to a latin american country.

CHEERS TO BLKBAT and QUALIA 30.Dec.2004 12:31

Panda

SPOT on guys! There should be more comments on this,really.With the increase in the passing of "time" those that have chosen to serve that path will get there payback soon.No, not an eye for an eye deal here,this is something that can not be ran away from. There is comfort in knowing that these sick creatures are going down and going down hard,but we still must take action or the cycle continues.

Nazi Germany Started Out This Way. 30.Dec.2004 14:36

Paul Revere

Soon the Natives will be treated like the foreigners . Unless you have a ticket from the "Elites". Or you have the right last name.
It will be time for revolution then.
It has been said, the tree of freedom must sometimes be watered with the blood of tyrants.

is this all? 30.Dec.2004 15:25

cleareyes

the listed e-mail address for abude doesn't work. It would be nice to get some real news here on this site instead of just a lot of moaning and groaning about something that apparently happened, but about which we nothing of any progress addressing the wrong against abude that may have occurred in nearly 3 years since the incident.

FASCHIST CORPORATE POLICE STATE 31.Dec.2004 00:31

ICKESTRUTH

Decoymaker hit the nail on the head about this government not being in control of the printing and valuating of our currency. Contrary to what many believe, our government is forced to BORROW money from the FED in order to run the country. The FED (Federal Reserve Bank) is NOT a government institution. It's a private bank owned and operated by these CORPORATE ELITE PIGS. The high taxes we pay out of our hard earned money goes to pay the so called deficit. The typical common worker pays about 57% of their income out in taxes in the form of payroll deductions and the hidden taxes that you don't see. This is the INTEREST that is being charged us by these ULTRA WEALTHY PIGS that think they have some divine right to rule the world. It is my hope that every caring citizen of America get their mind out of the mainstream media and quit listening to their CORPORATE CONTROLLED LIES and start looking at alternative truth about where we're headed if EVERYONE don't WAKE THE HELL UP REAL QUICK! This so called "WAR ON TERROR" is just another trumped up excuse for these "ELITE MASTER PIGS" to foster more control over the people of this planet. They call the common people GOYIM CATTLE or "the heard." To those world travelers that have been subjected to these "SCHOOL YARD BULLY" tactics by those weak minded knuckle dragging barbarians, I offer my deepest and most profound appologies to you. It sickens me to be an American sometimes. And to you assholes that want to tell me that if I don't like America to "GET OUT", hell no! I'm a citizen here and I'm staying! I'm going to do my very best to get the word out to all who have the guts and brains enough to listen and open their minds up about what's really going on. But I've found that most of the people here are so brain washed and more interested in playing with their toys that are provided by the "CORPORATE MASTER PIGS" that they don't want to hear truth. The people trying to get the truth out are just a bunch of "conspiracy theroists" acording to Bush and his cronies. If you all want to live in the up-coming FASCIST CORPORATE POLICE STATE, just continue doing what you're doing, playing with you're toys, watching that CORPORATE CONTROLLED NEWS, and watching those CORPORATE SPONSORED TV SPORTS GAMES that use child labor to produce those TEAM LOGO clothes you wear. If you want to do something to stop this madness, STOP FEEDING THE BEAST and WAKE UP TO THE REAL WORLD!

mesage to the marine and blkbat 31.Dec.2004 09:21

anon losmocasfritos@hotmail.com

I stand with your comments shoulder to shoulder.....and if ever there was a time for those of you in the cia and law enforcement to band together and deal with these troublemakers the way that blkbat did...then do it now......and if you think I'm shitting you....I will personally travel and help you give them the INS the kind of non-intellectual treatment that they deserve......the purposely engineered events of september the eleventh have but only proved amongst other issues...ONE THING.....that alot of you people in law enforcement and the us marine corp come from a long line of extremely brave hearted courageous men and women.......Anyone can see that from your words....And I personally deplore having to resort to means other than diplomacy.....and I am in agreement with the chap who says that him and his wife drive from coast to coast..hell yeah...breathe that air....give the seagulls a break would you?LOL...but seriously I urge those of you in law enforcement,the u.s military and cia etc and all other appropriate ports of call....to absolutely and totally no longer stand foir the destruction of the basic right of civil liberty in your country...not only are the bush bunch shitting them {innocent citizens) they are shitting you good men and women by turning the other cheek and vicariously supporting the INS in their barbaric actions against MR Ricardo Abude...who for the attention of the easily led posters here states emphatically that "Late feb 23 I embarked in rio heading to LA ,in possesion of my third visa to the US,issued in November 1999,and valid until november 2009".. so lets cut the crap and get the meat off the bone about MR Abude's U.S Visa.s "irregularities" as falsely quoted by someone purporting to be lawman,who is vaingloriously hiding behind the prevaricies of legal waffle to cover up for his other cowardly bumass alters,is he a D.I.D.....and is his prgramming shortcircuiting?evidenced primarily by this bogus waffle?and how about "D Rucker" {replace the R with an F}who resorts to racist alters in his subconcious split personality "law-giver" program....but those of us who are courageous and brave enough can see that we are most earnestly dealing with a bunch of ingrates who could possibly be best described as "A good ole bunch of illiterate rednecks"...the only difference being that the"rednecks" of today are a cross cultural mix of ignoramii of the most splendid kind and not necessarily confined to the arcetypal deep south fly swattin' beer swilling thug...well whats up doc..whadda you know...so lets all join hands in a prayer.... IF we are righteous WE must Do all we can To serve, to Protect The innocent ones lest there be nothing left.... I am a very big fan of these guys JOHN DOUGLAS and MARK OLSHAKER of the behavioural science unit at quantico ,virginia....they wrote some darn good books about how serial offenders ie rapist .murderers and all manner of sexual deviants ,like your good ole bum chums in the INS.....have sometimes though not all specific parental backgorunds etc balh blah which moulds them into the criminals they are today.... And aside from the intricacies of criminal profiling...I would suggest this... that these criminals in law enforcement and the INS would have had to have been given the green light higher up in their "chain of command" ...like abu ghairab....a case of monkey see monkey go duuh do..duuh do ...duuh do....well says one INS officer ina private dialogue "he's just felt her tits up and I aint getting no pussy so what the heck that'll get me to masturabate" The other thing that I would like to re-iterate here is that without sounding patronising...the armed forces of the world..and the police forces....thought not always ..do and would tend to attract these nutters,paedophiles,and downright social outcasts.....not to say in one fell swoop that all apllicants for law enforcement and the military are all the same....but I bet if you got all those thugs from the INS together "the tit squeezers,and the ass kickers"...then they would defintely have a similair criminal profile.... So the key issue here is that the time of griping has been and gone....either the good the decent the honest men and women amongst us gather toghneter and make this earth a safer place or we just sit back and lets this monstrous band of satanic...pederasts,drug addicts,and peadophiles in the white house,the pentagon take over... It is evidently important at this stage in the evolvement of your family and the wider human family to do whatever you can to make this world a much safer,more loving,violence free station.....bon chance *"mind hunter" by john douglas and mark olshaker www.trance-formation.com for info on high level pedofiles www.vialls.homestead.com for info on media disinformation and how it works www.davidicke.com for info on how to separate what is real in life from what is false www.copvcia.com for how cops in la from LAPD deal crack with CIA and BROWN AND ROOT from an ex highly decorated polce officer with the narcotics squad/bureau so you wanna wake up ? take care

My son too. 31.Dec.2004 12:17

Christina

Hi,
I just read what happened to this passenger in U.S.A.
My son 18 (Irish) was stopped by these brainwashed humans at Chicago airport.
He was treated like a criminal and was questioned for hours.Being surrounded by armed chimps did not help at all.He was terrified.We did not know where he was,as no calls were allowed.He had nightmares for months after.When it came to returning he did not sleep for 5 nights before the trip.
A great welcome to the land of the free.American people think they are free because only 10% of them have passports and therefore have never seen outside the *cage*.Teaching children that they are superior to everyone else is crazy.Worshipping a flag is crazy. We are all humans on the same planet and it does not matter if we are black, white, pink or purple. As for all this talk of religion Bush should read his bible where it says*as long as you do something to one of these, the least of my brethern you do it to me* Sorry,that's too difficult for him.
If we are free..why do we need permission/passport from any Government to travel anywhere.We do not own the Earth...no one bought it from anyone.. did they??
I learned a long time ago that terrorists are created by society!!!!!
We all need to wake up before we are all microchipped and then controlled totally.I have no intention of ever going back to USA. It has nothing to offer me anymore.Their loss not mine.

How Sad 31.Dec.2004 16:38

Zedd zeddzardoz@yahoo.co.uk

I have read through all of the postings, and have to admit that they have left me saddened. For the ignoramus who thinks qualification only comes at a certain age, I suggest he switch his brain on prior to speaking, if indeed he does have a brain. For those who have undergone the torments of the original topic, my deepest sympathies.

I myself am not american and am very pleased at not being so brainwashed that I stand in awe of a piece of fluttering rag that happens to have emblems on it. That is the worst brainwashing one could imagine. When will you americans wake up and realise that you do not owe allegiance to a flag, but rather to the brotherhood of man (that includes you sisters out there, but this is not an exercise in being P.C.) For those of us old enough, have we forgotten the things Jim Morrison so poignantly sang about? "When the music's over turn out the light"....well, if we all fight against each-other we may as well turn out the light because that is what the fascists want. As long as disharmony rules our ranks, the fascists win. The music is becoming dimmer by the day. I hear that over there government is elected by the people for the people? What a load of hogwash! Absolute tripe and drivel. If you are indeed the great america, woe to you, for you have truly slid into the quagmire of decay and corruption.

Remember people, fighting for peace is like fornicating for virginity. There are other ways of doing this without resorting to violence.

1. Boycott your airlines for 1 month. Foreigners stop visiting till america stops warring against other nations.
2. Stop smoking for 1 month. (Hey if I can stop smoking then you can too).
3. Don't drink coke for 1 month. Make that forever.
4. Stop wearing designer/labelled garments.
5. Support the little old lady who sells her health products instead of buying branded goods. Visit the farm stall/market where you can buy from the farmer....set up a bloody co-op with the farmers and cut out the mainstream fat cats.
6. Switch your TV's off for a month. Make this permanent also.
7. Refuse, en-mass, to pay taxes. From my studies they are illegal anyway.
8. Watch Fahrenheit 9/11 again but this time absorb what is being said, even if the director is a fence sitting wimp looking for kudos from the wary.
9. Stop the draft before it starts. The government is supposed to be for the people, so stop your whining and get into some real action. You know the old saying, they came for the jew and I was silent because I wasn't one. They came for the catholic and I was silent because I wasn't one. They came for the homosexual and I was silent because I wasnt one then they came for me and noone was left to defend me. BE COUNTED, STAND UP oh you great big american rambo's !
10. Stop buying the corporately owned newspapers forever. They are feeding you a diet of trash and you are swallowing it, unbelievable. It is like taking a tiny does of rat poison everyday because it has become a habit.
11. ABove all, pray for those who have lost so much, so tragically due to the tsunami that hit on thew 26. Change your focus from your own woes to the very real woes of others. Give instead of taking, be a healing balm instead of an irritant and this will be medicine for your own soul.

You see people, these are just a few of the things you can do. Believe me, this idea a lot of americans have that we out here in the non-free world want to be like you, are sadly mistaken. I count my blessings daily that I am not like you. You are a sad and pathetic nation.(With big guns, but then all that makes you is the schoolyard bully, and they ALWAYS get their come-uppance...for each and every action, an equal and opposite reaction).

To those millions of you who are genuine and lovely people lost in a lost world, join in the fight for real freedom. We are one people after all, no matter race creed or location, and we owe it to each other to love one another, not to foment hatred and revenge.
Zedd

problems with emigration ,iam not emegrating iam only visiting 31.Dec.2004 17:12

captain@my boat

after a small over sight in1984 idid not have a visa but a important job on the ship they let me off the hooki had a nice time i went canada also and hitchhiking the people in the car told me to duck so i did and i was again on american soil after that i was there several times i even got a indefeniy visa but they stole the origonal pasport some13 years ago i enter no problem i go canada come back they are to much on the border i travel allthe way to mexico and come back my god these people are realy not friendly in the end i tell him to shut up because americans coming to europe are being left alone as being free people iwant to be treated the same and they let me in but for all iknow and read iaint coming back keep it i have been in 44 states lived ayear there but its yours if you want to be like that what can i say,,succes on your war on terror get rid of the guys who are in charge and stop also this no nonsense war on drugs what is the use of putting people in prison for 55 years for posession of mariuana please wake up the danger is coming from whitin season greetings

more abuse 31.Dec.2004 18:07

foreinger

I am a Mexican citizen that used to fly to the US on business about every month, I now refuse to, frankly because the INS officers scare the *hit out of me, I have valid papers to enter the US and get pulled aside for searches as soon as they see my mexican ID, one time they even took away my seat on the from of the plane and put me on the back right next to the turbine engines along with ten or fifteen other passegers with Gonzalez, Perez or any other last name you could think of that does not sound "america", I used to fly through Houston because it was cheaper to use a US carrier to fly from one border town to another border town in the US Mexico border, now I bite the bullet and pay the extra 150 bucks it costs me to fly on a mexican carrier, from a mexican airport to my final destination, my american based employer is having a fit but I just dont care plus I get free beer on all flights, the attendants are much nicer (average age is around 25 too!) and I help out my own economy.

boycotting by zed 01.Jan.2005 11:13

anon

right on how about eating organic food as well...that way you don't get your reasonable mental faculties addled by concentrates preservatives and e numbers.........but try telling that to the one billion or more americans that "go dating" at *Mc shits,Taco bell,Sizzlers,and anywhere else....all the crap you guys eat is filled and laden with colourings preservatives....so how you sposed to think you way out of a wet paper bag?........ They fill your minds with shit .....via media They fill your lungs with shit .....via contrails {www.carnicom.com} You fill you body with shit......Mc shit ,Taco bell,hormone colouring laden angus steak etc... So if we are collectively going to wake up to the distinct illuminati stench here on earth then we would of course need to look at how the food,drug,religious,industry are doping your minds left right and centre.... Is it any wonder that alot of you out there allow these human rights abuses {911 ,abu ghairaib,"earth quake in s.e asia)in your country...when your conciousness is so asleep....so please wake up,switchy the lights on...because if we are to make this earth a paradise we need aware alert and concious coiurageous souls...not Taco-bell filled dodos

Atrocities in American Airports 01.Jan.2005 12:15

Ben D. Bumper lurnorman3946@yahoo.com, lurnorman44@hotmail.com, idwhatakins@netscape.net

I am not surprised to see a number of disrespectful comments regarding Mr. Da Silva's treatment by the INS. My advice to those making these comments is to mark my words, a change has come about in this country. Those of you who continue to delude yourselves by thinking that we live in a 'democracy' in the USA are sadly mistaken. Once again like 'Chicken Little' (there are plenty of those who would laugh about a situation as serious as this, however if it happened to them would scream and cry 'bloody murder'!) would laugh until a big chunk of the 'sky' fell onto their heads!

Harassment of people in airports is not necessary! I wish to commend the Dutch authorities at Schipol International Airport, Amsterdam, Netherlands; who have been watching and dealing with the possibility of acts of terrorism for some time, however have yet to the best of my knowledge been accused of harassment of visitors to their country. I was on a KLM flight from Vienna to Amsterdam nearly two months after September 11, 2001. I was to continue on to Seattle from Amsterdam on Northwest Airlines, however we learned there might be a glitch in our departure time. The agents and flight crew for the Northwestern flight remained very patient as every passenger was interviewed before being allowed to board the flight. After the interviews were complete, there was an apology given for any inconvenience and we were allowed to board. Not only did the authorities do what they felt was necessary, they efficiently got it done so the flight was not delayed in it's departure! NO ONE WAS MADE TO FEEL A CRIMINAL!!! It ended up with not only the authorities being satisfied, but also the crew and passengers were willing to cooperate to the fullest extent! Everyone was made to feel that an important goal had been accomplished, and we were all part of the same team!!

With the current political climate in the USA, this would never happen. Someone will be needlessly singled out to prove that HOMELAND SECURITY is on the job (just like in Steven Speilberg's THE TERMINAL!), even though their only crime is appearing to be different. A couple of months ago a teacher was arrested in a U.S. airport because a security person thought her bookmark was a weapon! She was grabbed and handcuffed right away even though the only weapon she carried was knowledge!! This is a very sad state of affairs. The USA needs to heal herself before she sticks her nose in any other national's business. Can she remedy herself before it is too late?

US a fascist state 01.Jan.2005 14:32

elan

Of course government apologists have attempted to cover their tracks...( D.Rucker and Lawman) Their lies are very transparent, I too have experienced the rotten fascist underbelly of the Amerikan state- and now all the phoney Christians have united with the fascist element we are all in trouble. I advocate every Amerikan teveller should jailed and interrogated as a matter of course. I advocate and already adhere to a boycott of all Amerikan product. Only this will wake up Amerika.

Just my two cents worth 01.Jan.2005 21:21

Rain lover

Here`s a suggestion for artichoke: Being that you`re such an analytical, discerning, critical thinker ("he says he`s 42 and graduated from college 20 years ago......") maybe you should devote your time to unraveling the mountain of lies regarding the Busheviks and their "war of terror". Hell, you`d be busy 25 hours a day, 8 days a week for the next 75,000 years!

it will get worse 07.Jan.2005 00:24

tuko

In America, the children of the U.S. are being turned into the commies thier fathers fought so hard against. The loss of freedom for security proves it.
In the rest of the world, Americans are being turned into Hitlers Jews, the scapegoats the world is being taught to hate.
Its all to degenerate humanity into war and submissiveness. Dont let it get to you, or else WW3 will be the result.
Im a Canadian, theres absolutely no way i will ever cross the border into the New Russia.
Enjoy your FEMA camps or get out while you can!