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MOVE ON * ORGanize!

Ok, we are going to have to live with Mr. Bush for 4 more years. Big Fucking deal!
Lets stop worrying about Bush and start worrying about ending up with Hillary Clinton as the democratic nominee in 2008.

If we don't take this party away from those who manipulated Kerry's loss then they will select Ms. Clinton. She is being touted as the front runner already.

We can not reward the Clintons for helping Bush win this time.

We have to let everyone know it was Bill and Hillary Clinton who sabotaged Howard Dean, and John Kerry so they would have a clear shot at the Whitehouse in 2008.

TAKE IT BACK! TAKE IT BACK! TAKE IT BACK! TAKE IT BACK!!
grab your hammer 13.Dec.2004 22:01

smash the state

Revolution should be much easier with Bush than it would've been with Kerry.

UNITE*RESIST UNITE*RESIST UNITE*RESIST

Response... 13.Dec.2004 23:02

zero_sum_0g

2 comments/questions, I'd appreciate some conversation here:

1) Do you really think H. Clinton could win where Kerry couldn't/wouldn't? Would the majority of people elect her? Will the Republican leadership, having skated through 2 dirty elections in a row, allow a Democratic victory in '08 out of the kindness of their hearts?

2) How did the Clintons sabotage the Kerry campaign? Please, this is a serious question. Kerry seemed to embody their values/goals of "kinder, gentler American Empire" so I'm not sure where you're coming from with that accusation.

See the videos I posted 14.Dec.2004 02:27

2ndOp

See the video of the boston rallies I posted. One of those has part of your answers, if you want to know...you must learn.

Moveon should let them have it. I've heard it a hundred times on here, but most importantly from George Washington himself. "parties" are the equivalent of organized crime families. Once you understand that, you will seek people who are telling the truth...not people who are scamming you.

Insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over, and expecting differen't results. The democratic party has been compromised. Either you expose that, or forget it. Once you compromise your own integrity, out of loyalty, you will "look the other way" on things you shouldn't. This is more daily kos strategy.

The black caucus needed one senator to stand up in 2000, just like now...you think your going to "change" the direction of dozens of crooked democrats. LOL. The DLC has neo-cons on board, PNAC people...vote third party, not that they count anyways...within a few years many people will start waking up, but it will be too late. So we just sit back, try, and watch the end of the great empire. It's like a front row seat to history. The greatest superpower in the world...once again, just like history shows, will fall because of it's arrogant megalomaniacs, not terrorism.

moveOUT of the way.

Clinton's strategy 14.Dec.2004 05:59

yes they sabotaged Kerry and Gore.

1) Do you really think H. Clinton could win where Kerry couldn't/wouldn't? Would the majority of people elect her? Will the Republican leadership, having skated through 2 dirty elections in a row, allow a Democratic victory in '08 out of the kindness of their hearts?

She knew it would be hard to win against a sitting president. that's why she wanted to wait until 2008. After 8 years of a conservative president, the Democrats will be VERY willing to take anybody who can win. So she won't have as big a hassle in the primarys. Just look at Kerry during the primarys. What was the big reason people voted for him? "Because he can win!" Not because he was any good. They were told he was a winner, and thats all they wanted..


2) How did the Clintons sabotage the Kerry campaign? Please, this is a serious question. Kerry seemed to embody their values/goals of "kinder, gentler American Empire" so I'm not sure where you're coming from with that accusation.


Yes, Go back to early 2003

Clinton throws his people into Kerry's campaign and it falls apart, then they quit and try and work for Dean.

Clinton pushes Wesley Clark in to the mix.

Clinton Keeps Terry McAuliffe (his money/bag man) as Head of the DNC despite Gore and Kerry's objections.

Clinton starts circulating rumors about Dean in late 2003.

Clinton has Wesley Clark tell the press that a "major scandle" will break out in the Kerry campaign.
One week later Alex Poiler Bimbo eruption happens. (both Kerry and Ms. Poiler denie it)

Clinton schedules book to come out near DNC convention to steal Kerry's thunder.

Clinton packs Kerry's camp with his own people who steer Kerry in a direction that leads to his defeat.

Clinton makes sure there is internal power struggles going on in Kerry's camp, inflamed by his own people there.

Clinton schedules Heart surgery so he doesn't have to campign with Kerry during final weeks of the election, but has excuse.

Hillary is nowhere to be seen campaigning for Kerry.

Clinton and Kerry talk on phone after Heart surgery, and Clinton leaks entire conversation to the press, embarrasing Kerry.


On Election day Terry McAuliffe spends money on "get out the vote" in a manner to look like everything was being done correct, but ignoring key areas (suburbs) so a loss is certain.

I can hunt down details of each of these and there is more, but we know who killed the Kerry campaign from way back in 2003.