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CONG.TESTIMONY: on Dec. 10, Plan Hatched to Rig Even the "3% Recount" via Triad Gov't Sys.

RIGGING OF THE "3% RECOUNT" SCHEME MENTIONED IN CONGRESSIONAL TESTMONY!

This is a reorientation of another post that I thought had a misleading title. It's rearranged to feature an clear expression of the point of Cobb's testimony concerning the witness(es) (and affadavits for other vote fraud perpetrators who have come forward!).

I thought this was very important to call attention to as its own post instead of as haphazard assembled comments within another message.

David Cobb, Green Party Presidential Candidate, Speaking to the House Judiciary Hearings on Vote Fraud:
"on Dec. 10, Plan Hatched to Rig Even the "3% Recount" through Triad Computer Systems"; & affadavits (plural) from individuals who say they were involved in the actual vote rigging in Ohio.
CONGRESSIONAL TESTMONY: David Cobb, House Judiciary Hearings on Vote Fraud: 'on Dec. 10, Plan Hatched to Rig Even the "3% Recount" through , Triad Computer Systems



NEWS/CONG.TESTMONY: David Cobb, House Judiciary Hearings on Vote Fraud:
"on Dec. 10, Plan Hatched to Rig Even the "3% Recount" through
Triad Computer Systems"; & affadavits (plural) from individuals
who say they were involved in the actual vote rigging in Ohio.



summary:
[this is partial audio transcript]
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DAVID COBB: Rep Conyers, I have the most recent, breaking information, it
will be brief but I think very important.

It's probably the most ? incident that has been related to my campaign, it
was related only on Sunday, Dec 12th, regarding a very shocking event
that occurred last Friday, Dec 10th. The person who is reporting it, at
this point, wishes to remain anonymous but I will bring it to this
committee because this must be investigated.

. . . [he talks at length about it]

Conyers then replied: "David Cobb I need you to arrange a meeting with our
staff immediately as soon as possible so we can go into detail on this
matter."

According to the radio broadcast of Conyer's hearings today:

1. They have affadavits (plural) from individuals who say they were
involved in the actual vote rigging in Ohio.

2. A rep. from Triad ***(who's machines are used to tabulate the votes in
most Ohio counties)*** [more information about the Triad
infrastructure 'demographics' below] was found tampering with the central
tabulator in one Ohio county just this past Friday. They have a witness
who will testify to this.

Some background info on TRIAD

Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. of Xenia, Ohio,
wrote the computer program that tallies the punch-card ballots in the
centralized counting systems used in 41 counties in Ohio. Rapp, whose sons
now manage the family run company, is a generous supporter of the
Republican Party and the presidential campaign of George W. Bush.

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1.



BREAKING: Curtis Testifying UNDER OATH To Judiciary Comm Dems in Ohio
13.Dec.2004 12:33
This can't be happening. link

Judiciary Committee sources have just informed The BRAD BLOG via Email
from their hearings now taking place in Ohio, that Clint Curtis is
testifying under oath before the committee!

 http://bradblogtoo.blogspot.com/2004/12/breaking-curtis-testifying-under-oath.html

Also WIRED.COM picks up story this morning...
 http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,66002,00.html...

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Here is a very rough transcript of what David Cobb reported at the Conyers
hearing today: There were alot of dropouts on the audio, so some was
garbled, so it's not a completely exact transcript, but darn close:

Rep Conyers, I have the most recent, breaking information, it will be
brief but I think very important.

It's probably the most ? incident that has been related to my campaign, it
was related only on Sunday, Dec 12th, regarding a very shockig event that
occurred last Friday, Dec 10th. The person who is reporting it, at this
point, wishes to remain anonymous but I will bring it to this committee
because this must be investigated.

A representative from Triad Systems came into this county's BOE offices
unannounced on this Friday. He said he was just stopping by to see if they
had any questions about the upcoming recount. He then headed into the back
room where the Triad ?? that is, the machine that COUNTS the ballots, is
kept.

The Triad representative then told them that there was a problem (sic)
with the system, that the system had a bad batttery and had quote "lost
all it's data" endquote

He then took the computer apart and started swapping parts in and out of
it and in another spare ??? (tower PC?) in the room

(garbled -- something about having spare parts in his coat?)

...he finally reassembled everything and said that it was working, but
that not to turn it off.

***He then asked which precincts would be counted in the 3% reount
test,*** and the ones which had been selected, as if it had the right
number of votes, was relayed to him, and he did something else to the
tabulator.

The Triad Systems representative suggested that if the hand recount had to
match the machine count exactly, and since it would be hard to memorize
the several numbers that would be need to get the count to come out
exactly right, that they should post this series of numbers on the wall
where they would not be noticed by observers, such that to make them look
like employee information or something similar. The people doing the hand
count could then, he said, (garbled -- record? those numbers?) no matter
what they actually counted in the ballots.

This would then quote "match" endquote the tabulator report for this
precinct exactly.

Conyers then replied: "David Cobb I need you to arrange a meeting with our
staff immediately as soon as possible so we can go into detail on this
matter"

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nothing to see here folks, move along . .. . . ... Peterson verdict on TV
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??? 13.Dec.2004 15:31
Yahound link

3% handcount? That's not exactly a recount, is it?




TRIAD BACKGROUND



According to the radio broadcast of Conyer's hearings today:

1. They have affadavits (plural) from individuals who say they were
involved in the actual vote rigging in Ohio.

2. A rep. from Triad (who's machines are used to tabulate the votes in
most Ohio counties) was found tampering with the central tabulator in one
Ohio county just this past Friday. They have a witness who will testify to
this.

(I've copied all above, but comments will probabably be added.)
 http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/12/12/195944/61/387#387

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Some background info on TRIAD

Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. of Xenia, Ohio,
wrote the computer program that tallies the punch-card ballots in the
centralized counting systems used in 41 counties in Ohio. Rapp, whose sons
now manage the family run company, is a generous supporter of the
Republican Party and the presidential campaign of George W. Bush.

The second largest vendor of vote-counting machines in Ohio, in terms of
the number of counties served, is Election Systems & Software (ES&S), a
privately owned company based in Omaha.

Together ES&S and Triad GSI count the votes in 80 out of the 88 counties
in Ohio. ES&S, however, manages the elections and counts the votes in the
more populous counties of the state.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305917.shtml

I think I made the first post to which you refer. 13.Dec.2004 21:47

Doing best I can.

And I thank you for this one.

Seems to me your headline is the clearest part -- About even the recount being rigged, or plans made to do so.

I was not aware of that when I posted, and it is sure important.

Kerry's letter seems to me (in retrospect, from memory) to be addressing the problem, at least in part because he requests how the 3% sample, specified by law, be done.

It is sure important that we realize election-manipulators will probably make every effort to be recount-manipulators.

I'm sure there must be more on this at the democraticunderground forums and at 'bradblog too" (and more places). Haven't had a chance to look yet.

Perhaps this will help clarify. 13.Dec.2004 22:31

(Includes partial transcript of hearing link .)

This from :  http://bradblogtoo.blogspot.com/


Cobb's Judiciary Committee Testimony Offers Still More Fireworks! And Possible Criminal Intent! PLUS: Several More Troubling Revelations From Today's Hearings!
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A source inside the Judiciary Committee -- just back in D.C. after returning from Ohio -- has informed The BRAD BLOG that testimony at today's hearings from Green party presidential candidate David Cobb at today's hearings in Columbus shook up their investigations "at least as much" as the stunning surprise of Clint Curtis' sworn testimony reported exclusively by BRAD BLOG earlier today!

The Cobb testimony concerned an eyewitness account from an Elections Official about election machine tampering by a worker from Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. as late as last Friday!

A transcription of part of David Cobb's testimony is now available online via RAW STORY.  http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=490

Cobb claimed to have spoken over the weekend to an unidentified eyewitness to the tampering in an unspecified Ohio county.

Said Cobb at today's hearings, "A representative came in on Friday to see if there were any questions, the Triad representative had told him that [the machine] 'had a bad battery' and had 'lost all the data'. The machine was then taken completely apart" and it's memory apparently permanently lost.

All of this before the full Ohio state recount demanded by the Green and Libertarian parties has been able to get fully underway.

Th eyewitness, who was unnamed in the public hearings, was later identified and interviewed privately by staffers from the office of Congressman John Conyers (D-MI), the ranking Democrat on the U.S. House Judiciary committee.

Reliable sources have informed The BRAD BLOG that the investigation into this matter by Conyers is currently "ongoing" and the conclusion of staffers so far is that the eyewitness and information presented is "100% real and credible".

Cobb noted today in emotional testimony that "this is going on all over the state of Ohio."

Break For News reported earlier to today that Cobb accused Triad of "attempting to orchestrate a fraudulent recount of the 3 percent of precincts likely to be included in the first phase of the recount process." (Audio of Cobb's testimony also available at the site.)  http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/OhioForumDec13Report1.htm

They further report...

"Cobb cited one case detailed by an --as yet anonymous-- informant, that a Triad GSI employee had told staff at the Columbus County Board of Elections office to inconspicuously note a prepared recount result, then report this data irrespective of the actual recount. The Triad GSI representative had also tampered with Triad voting equipment in the offices."

A letter sent to all 88 Ohio Elections Boards last Friday
(  http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/12/ale04101.html )
by Donald J. McTigue, the Kerry-Edwards State Counsel in Ohio speaks to concerns by the Kerry campaign about how the 3 percent sample, discussed by Cobb, will be chosen. That letter also expresses a number of other notable concerns to the Ohio Elections officials.

Further notable news out of the hearings, in a day already filled with enough BRAD BLOG sirens to made Drudge's head spin, include troubling reports from Columbus Free Press' Bob Fitrakis who testified to the Committee last Wednesday in D.C. and again today in Columbus.

Fitrakis, who's excellent reporting on the ground in Ohio has set the standard for investigative journalism over the past month, had several troubling reports in his testimony, several of which are described in this Free Press article.
 http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/985

Amongst his reports are first hand accounts of a "a team of 25 people who called themselves the 'Texas Strike Force' using payphones to make intimidating calls to likely voters, targeting people recently in the prison system." The calls were made from a Holiday Inn and were observed by a worker there. Apparently people were warned that they if they had child-support payments due, or outstanding traffic-tickets, they could be arrested at the polls on Election Day.

Fitrakis presented evidence to the committee which demonstrates that the hotel used was paid for by the Ohio Republican Party whose headquarters is across the street!

He also reports on, and testified to, new information -- including arial photographs -- from the Warren County Elections Board on the night of their now infamous Election Night "lockdown" (  http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00000917.htm ) which officials had attributed to warnings received from the FBI about terror warnings.

The FBI has since denied giving any such warnings to anybody in Ohio. We hope to have more details on those photographs in a report soon.

We're sorry to have had to break out the siren so many times today, though it was suggested to The BRAD BLOG by our source that the Cobb revelations warranted three! We'll stick with one for now.

But we will also take this opportunity to note for the skeptics out there who have wondered where the corporate media is on so much of this, and how one can be sure they can trust "Internet bloggers" like The BRAD BLOG and "Internet-only news sites" like RAW STORY -- who has also produced quite a bit of good breaking information on these events -- that we, so far, have gotten the story right on all of these matters from the get-go.

The BRAD BLOG was the first to break the news of the Democratic Judiciary Hearings, and the first to bring you the exclusive report on the Clint Curtis "WHISTLEBLOWER AFFIDAVIT" that lead to today's "jaw dropping" sworn testimony by Curtis in front of the Committee.

Furthermore, we'll note that, as of this hour, according to AP, those objecting and writing about questionable Election Results in Ohio and elsewhere are now officially described as "dissidents".

"Dissidents" is a step up, we suppose, from "conspiracy theorists" and "leftwing bloggers", and frankly...sounds a bit Ukranian.

So we'll take it.
 http://bradblogtoo.blogspot.com/

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VIDEO ONLINE OF CLINT CURTIS TESTIMONY!
We've yet to review it, but video is now available online from portions of Clint Curtis' sworn testimony before U.S. House Judiciary Members in Ohio.

The testimony was reported as "jaw-dropping" and "stunning" this afternoon in this earlier BRAD BLOG exclusive!

* Real Audio version here.
 http://www.edwardsdavid.com/BushVideos/curtis121304.rm
{is " .rm" extension right? Not sure. I learned to dislike RealMedia and don't have it.]

* Windows Media player here.
 http://home.comcast.net/~clotheshorse1967/video/curtis121304.wmv

Partial transcript of the videos so far available (which only show part of the Curtis testimony) transcribed by the good "ignatzmouse" from DKos here.
 http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/12/13/18416/541/77#77
(Though you'll miss the audible gasps as heard on the video versions!)

Curtis Testimony Transcript 13.Dec.2004 22:52

Get this story into the MSM!

Curtis Testimony Transcript

 http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/12/13/18416/541/77#77

This was a rush job of the video segment posted, so forgive me for any errors.

Q: [Congressman Nadler] And did he ever express why he wanted a code to rig an election?

A: No. I immediately assumed that they were trying to keep you guys from cheating with it... so... [laughter] so... I wrote up the documentation of what you would look for in the source code. How you would make sure the you - CUT - Mrs. Yang, and said, here's your report. Here's your program. And she said, you don't understand, we need to hide the fraud in the source. In the source code.

Q: Hide the fraud, not reveal the fraud?

A: Not reveal the fraud because they needed to control the vote in South Florida, is what she said.

Q: That's what she said?

A: That's what she said.

Q: To your knowledge, to your knowledge, was this used?

A: I have no idea. I was ready to leave, so... (laughter) and and I was tired and left the company.

Q: In your testimony a minute ago I think you said just before you left in answer to Congresswoman Tubbs Jones question, that... would you just repeat what you said in terms of uh the the uh exit polls?

A: The exit polls should not be significantly different from the vote.

Q: And if they were you would conclude what?

A: I would conclude someone's playing with the vote?

Q: Not with the exit polls?

A: That's possible too.

Q: OK and that's why...

A: Something is definitely skewed.

Q: Something is skewed with one of the other above.

A: To select which one you'd have to see where the problem is.

Q: Let me ask you one further question. Assuming for the moment that such software, [UNINTELLIGABLE] such software to rig a vote was used, in one or more machines in Ohio or in Florida, couldn't you today detect that if you looked at the source code?

A: If you could get the machines and they had not been patched yet. I mean, once they get in and touch em', anything could happen. You could also set timers to do that, but then you could see the timer. Then you'd have to take those machines, decompile them, which I couldn't do, but possibly a Microsoft, an MIT something could do, you might... you might be able to.

Q: You might?

A: Depends on how good they are at destroying what they had.

Q: Destroying what they had by tampering the machine afterwards, or by programming them to destroy instructions in the first place?

A: Right. Because then since you...

Q: Either or both?

A: Either or both. You didn't actually seen what's in there, so you don't know if the code is running as a single executable or running in various modules. If it's running in modules you could make the code actually eat itself.

Q: Let me ask you one further question. We've.... I've heard that people who assume that lots of the election results, that a large fraction of the election result within the state may have been effected by deliberate fraud in a computer, are paranoid, because in order to do that you would have to have access to thousands of machines and that would be readily detectable. To what extent is that true?

A: In depends on the technology that used. If you use a central tabulation machine that fed in, all you'd have to do is set a flag. You set a flag; the central tabulation machine would flip your vote.

Q: So if you. So one person putting in bad code in a central tabulation machine could affect thousands and thousands or tens of thousands of votes?

A: Right.

Q: And...

A: And you could activate either automatically, or you could make is so that there's code existing on like an otonic (?) machine which feeds it, where you would punch it in, it would see the flag, the server would see the flag and then...

Q: And if you had a recount and no paper trail, would that be, as soon as that had happened, would that be reversible by seeing the discrepancy between the tabulator, the central tabulator code, and what the individual machines which had not been tampered with code?

A: Not if I wrote it.

Q: Why not? In other words...

A: In other words I could make it match.

Q: You could work back from the tabulator to the individual machines, so that the tabulator could tell the machines to switch their results?

A: Yes. It talks both ways. You could flip it to whatever you need.

Q: And they actually do talk to each other. this the machines and the tabulator?

A: As long as it's hooked up. As long as they are networked together, they can talk to each other.

Q: So in other words, there is absolutely no assurance whatsoever on anything with regards to these machines.

A: Absolutely none, unless you look at the source code and make sure it's safe before it goes in.

Q: Thank you very much. [APPLAUSE]

Chair: Thank you Congressman Nadler. I know that Congresswoman Waters has questions, then Senator Miller, and then Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones.

Q: [Congresswoman Waters] This will only take a moment, if you would come back to the ...

A: I'm new at this.

Q: As you know, there has been a lot of discussion about that, I think it is Diebold Company. Their relationship to the President and a group within the administration and supposedly comments about helping to insure that the President is reelected. In your world in your environment, have you heard any of these kind of discussion? Do you know people from Diebold... do you have any sense of any actions that may have been taken?

A: I don't know anything about that at all.

Q: Thank You

A: Sorry.

Chair: Senator Miller

Q: [Senator Miller] Thank you Madam Chair.

Chair: Sir.

Q: I suspect that people will attack you in terms of your credibility. Could you restate once again for the record your credentials?

A: I'm a programmer. I worked for NASA. I've worked for Exxon/Mobile. Worked for the Department of Transportation. And, other elements of my story, because this company... well let's get into it, why not? [LAUGHTER] This company also, they have a NASA contract. and they were basically downloading tons of information, I mean gigabytes worth, and handing it off to this little Chinese guy named Henry Ng [Lee or Nee?] and it didn't seem right and he was packing things and I wrote a program for DOT that allowed contractors to send their information into DOT and he was kind of the quality assurance guy for software. He put a wiretapping module in the program that went to the contractors so that it actually sent everything they sent back to Yang. So I reported all this and just last March, I think, he was arrested for attempting to send anti-tank missile chips to the capitol of Communist China. If that's correct, this is such a small thing. [LAUGHTER] Although I think that he only got a hundred dollar fine and no ti
me.

Chair: Thank You.

sorry for confusion 14.Dec.2004 00:35

the reposter

No, the thanks go to you! Thousands would have missed it and time is of the essence before the spin sets in.