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On Air America Radio, it was just announced that Senator Kerry will be sending a letter tomorrow to 88 Board of Election Directors. That letter was a result of collaboration between Kerry, Jackson, and Arnbeck.
Listen at Laura Flanders Show. Should be up on archives by tomorrow...

The letter will request investigation into 93,000 spoiled ballots and more.

Apparently, this investigation will involve enough votes "to possibly change the outcome."

Looks like between this letter tomorrow, the hearings (including Mon Dec 13 in Ohio), and the lawsuit, this issue is about to explode on the Main Stream Media.

Calling for a NONPARTISAN audit of the electronic voting machines, having independent analysis of the software.

Reading some reactions over at DU, and someone pointed out this link about Ohio fraud at the local level in 2000. In that article, Blackwell states that: it's up to county boards of elections to investigate voting irregularities, and the secretary of state's office stands by as a resource. Maybe that is why Kerry sent this letter out to the individual Board of Elections rather than just to Blackwell, who would likely just make a paper airplane out of it or something.

Update -- Ohio News Network reporting on the story:
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.

The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend.


 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/12/195944/61 has discussion with updates

 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum= 203&topic_id=146067&mesg_id=146067&page=
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Stopping Bush: Can We Do It? 12.Dec.2004 22:16

let's agitate until the election is reversed!

This news about Kerry's involvment is great. Maybe all the people who have there heads in a Xmas shopping bag will wake up and be angry, too.

excellent! good work...just made my night 12.Dec.2004 22:37

wondering where the hell was too

Thanks author...you rock, just made my night. Just finished responding to a few naysayers and non-believers about Kerry's "absence", and what do you know, he comes out of the wood work.
So, time for all the "naysayers" to try and think positive. Get rockin. Email your freaking congressman , sign an online petition, go to a prostest. It's our government too, dammit!

big kiss to "a citizen", got any photos?

Re: Breaking news about Kerry's push for a full independent audit in Ohio 12.Dec.2004 22:41

Peter (Australia)

Yeah? What's the bet that the MSM will almost break their necks in their effort to try and find some spectacular way to divert all attention from the story and totally ignore it? Another Janet Jackson "Titty-out" sensation, or similar, perhaps? (I mean, you have to hand it to the corporate media, they are bloody experts at this sort of thing)....and all the sheep will go, "Baaaaaah!, Baaaaaah!

But we'll wait and see, though. And why just Ohio? Why not Florida,... and a few other smelly places as well, for that matter?

it's about time 12.Dec.2004 22:42


Better late than never. Kerry has spent too long not going after an Ohio recount. Where has been his backbone? He waited while the people cried "Foul."

mental slavery? 12.Dec.2004 23:05

think about it

Kerry is only intruding to salvage it for the Bones Brothers, here, because he ran as "Anybody But Bush" so they say--when he is actually "Anybody but Changing Neocon Policy."

Definitely removing Bush is important. Though installing Kerry after a month of how he hoped that the Greens/Libertarians would financally exhaust themselves while he twiddled his thumbs. No one should be fooled into thinking that at this stage in the national vote fraud game, that installing Kerry--Bush's good friend--is somehow going to change policy.

Only supporting more third parties has broken open this story. Kerry and Bush are both complicit and silent on it.

Kerry is only "involved" (wow! he sent a letter! wow! what about that money Kerry to help out with the campaign for recout--NOTHING!). Kerry is only posturing. That's all he's good for. He's just as much as hollow candidate as Bush is.

Until Kerry involves his campaigns millions left over, I will see Kerry as a charade-. The 2004 'selection' was and is a total fabricated charade of non-choice since Kerry basically agrees on everything Bush wants.

World? Ready to fight a Bush in Kerry's clothing--if this goes Kerry's way? I certainly hope you are open to this, because that is what is going on.

The fakery of 'two parties runninig against each other in the Presidency' has been going on for at least a century in the "Der Homeland", so I suggest you keep up your voices for more democratic participation whatever your ideoligcal bent--to assure that as Americans we are represented instead of as the fake duelling of the neocon Democrats and neocon Republicans.

Rate the AP Kerry Letter Story a 5 on Yahoo News 12.Dec.2004 23:16

A. Citizen

Rate the AP Kerry Letter Story a 5 on Yahoo News, and email it to everyone you know!

(I'm mentioning this maybe as much because it is interesting as it may or may not be urgent.)

 http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=536 - scroll down to "Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot Inspection"

It was discovered last week that Yahoo will switch the URL of a story so that people clicking on the link from a page telling people to vote for a story go to a page that actually DOESN'T COUNT.

The best way to actually make your vote count is to go to page listing the AP's news stories, THEN find the story and click on that link!

This is the link to the AP results page, which ISN'T BLOCKED:

then you scroll down to "Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot Inspection" click and rate it.

Don't just rate it, Email it to someone. The stories are also rated by how many times they get emailed. Sending the emails via the link on the yahoo story page.

The Free Republic folks -- or maybe the Bush family, is actively pushing the rating of the article down. But actually doesn't matter...It's getting out anyway. Screw Yahoo.

 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=324234 ABC News
 http://www.10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682826 Ohio
 http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/3991471/detail... Missouri

great! 12.Dec.2004 23:17

just in time

kerry is just in time to miss the certification of the election by the electoral college! what a stand up guy this kerry is!

Quigley's "pro-manipulation" observation 12.Dec.2004 23:23

two headed one party state watch

"The National parties and their presidential candidates, with the Eastern Establishment assiduously fostering the process behind the scenes, moved closer together and nearly met in the center with almost identical candidates and platforms, although the process was concealed as much as possible, by the revival of obsolescent or meaningless war cries and slogans (often going back to the Civil War). The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. Either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies." [Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time (New York: Macmillan, 1966), pp. 1247-1248.]

Anybody hear of 13.Dec.2004 00:50


Democratic Republican Party?

why it was formed?

what became of it?

to possibly change the outcome???? 13.Dec.2004 05:49

no way

Legally, and that's all that really counts anyway.

Legally the election has already been certified so the ballots no longer have any legal meaning.

So Kerry may end up with more votes in Ohio, but it can't legally change the outcome of the election at this late date.


Hope is one thing, deluding ourselves is another. 13.Dec.2004 06:17

Nothing will LEGALLY change the outcome of this election!

Why do we continue to give ourselves self-inflicted wounds on this website?

We set ourselves up by publishing some announcement that shows Kerry may actually win the election, without ANY explanation as to the law and what the constitution says.

Then we are shocked, depressed, and disappointed after we found out the REAL story.

Are we Masochists? Sucker's for self-abuse?

The election in Ohio was legally certified. It maybe be crooked as a dog's hind leg, but legally it moves into a "safe harbor" mode today where it can't be legally challenged.

Read the Law!!!!!!

If there was fraud, then it should be exposed and the guilty should pay, but even if this is the case, it won't change the outcome of this election. Its too late (legally speaking)

Not so fast 13.Dec.2004 15:06

Something CAN LEGALLY change the outcome

The following is from MSNBC's bloggermann column by Keith Olbermann on Nov. 21st:

Cobb, Badnarik, Arnebeck, and everybody else actually has more time than they think. I addressed this topic with the wonderfully knowledgeable George Washington University Constitutional Law professor, Jonathan Turley, back on Countdown on November 9th. He noted the election process is a little slower— and has one more major loophole— than is generally known. It begins on December 7th, the date "when you essentially certify your electors... it gives a presumption to the legitimacy to your votes. And then, on the 13th, the electors actually vote."

But, Turley noted, "those votes are not opened by Congress until January 6. Now, if there are controversies, such as some disclosure that a state actually went for Kerry (instead of Bush), there is the ability of members of Congress to challenge." In other words, even after the December 13th Electoral College Vote, in the extremely unlikely scenario that a court overturns the Ohio count, or that the recount discovers 4,000 Gahanna-style machines that each recorded 4,000 votes too many for one candidate, there is still a mechanism to correct the error, honest or otherwise.

"It requires a written objection from one House member and one senator," Turley continues. Once that objection is raised, the joint meeting of the two houses is discontinued. "Then both Houses separate again and they vote by majority vote as to whether to accept the slate of electoral votes from that state."

In these super-heated partisan times, it may seem like just another prospective process decided by majority rule instead of fact. But envision the far-fetched scenario of some dramatic, conclusive new result from Ohio turning up around, say, January 4th. What congressman or senator in his right mind would vote to seat the candidate who lost the popular vote in Ohio? We wouldn't be talking about party loyalty any more - we'd be talking about pure political self-interest here, and whenever in our history that critical mass has been achieved, it's been every politician for himself (ask Barry Goldwater when Richard Nixon trolled for his support in July and August, 1974, or Republican Senator Edmund Ross of Kansas when his was to be the decisive vote that would have impeached President Andrew Johnson in 1868).

The point of this dip into the world of political science fiction is that the Ohio timeframe is a little less condensed than it seems. The drop-dead date is not December 13, but January 6.


thanks 'not so fast' 13.Dec.2004 16:26


Thanks 'not so fast'! I remembered reading this somewhere, though all the poster-stormtroopers who think it's over are sadly mistaken.