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NO RECOUNT WILL OCCUR IN OHIO

if you were hoping a green/lib lead recount effort might reverse the 'unofficial' mainstream media presentation of the 2004 presidential election, then you were wrong, because one man, the Ohio republican Secretary of State is bound and determined to use weekends off and excuses of other business to delay the US presidential election until there is no recourse for a recount.
Because Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell is purposefully delaying certifying the States Election results and becuase the Kerry campaign has not filed any suit of their own demanding an immediate recount in Ohio, the Republican Secretary of State and Ohio Bush2004 leader will certify Bush the winner of Ohio's president determining 20 electoral votes on Monday December 6th. There will not be enough time (10days) for a recount to be conducted after that date and before the electoral college meets on December 13th. After the 13th no lawsuit requesting a recount will be enough to reverse the direction of the election.

The simple fact of the matter is there are more twice as many un-counted (overvotes, undervotes, provisional, and rejected) ballots as there was spread in the 'unoffical' talley of Bush v Kerry for Ohio (137,000 difference; 93,000 overvotes & undervotes; 155,000 provisional ballots; 165,000 rejected votes).

93k + 155k + 165k = 413k uncounted ballots vs 137k spread. if these yet uncounted votes go even 67:33 for Kerry (275k - Kerry, 138k - Bush) they would completly overturn the 'unoffical' results, and Ohio's 20 electoral votes would go to Kerry giving him the presidency. This % of kerry support is likely based off other states provisional, rejected, and under/overvote ratios.

This does not count the difference between what we heard in the 'unoffical' talley (137k) and what we allready know to have changed (instances of counties Bush totals exceeding their voter numbers etc...).

But none of this will be known in time to change Ohio republican Secretary of States plans for pro Bush electors, since he will pull a fast one and squash legal grounds for a recount by waiting till the last second to declare Bush the winner.
you may be right, but you may be wrong 03.Dec.2004 07:22

thinking democratically

the fact is, after reading this article about someone projecting negatively on the process:
we'll see....you may be right, you may be wrong, or as we all know.....the real answer to the riddle lies somewhere in-between. Kerry and Jackson are gathering some momentum now, let's
not forget that laws are framework, not necessarily rigid but more flexible when you have the most and loudest lawyers, or perhaps a valid argument

Democracy no more!!! 03.Dec.2004 08:43

disenfranchised

From now on... This is a DEBAUCRACY!

I think Blackwell is going to be one for the History books. 03.Dec.2004 09:44

A. Citizen

I think Blackwell is going to be one for the History books.

If this comes down to a last minute thing before Congress, like it did in 2000, it's going to be one hell of a dramatic moment. Anyone see M. Moore's Fahrenheit film? No Senator would sign for a challenge in 2000 -- it only takes ONE. If someone with a better memory than myself would kindly post the law specifics on that, we would be most grateful. Meanwhile . . .

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THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

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I TURN with the warm ardor of a friend to those who have nobly stood, and are yet determined to stand the matter out: I call not upon a few, but upon all: not on this state or that state, but on every state: up and help us; lay your shoulders to the wheel; better have too much force than too little, when so great an object is at stake.

Let it be told to the future world, that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet and to repulse it.

Say not that thousands are gone [to fight], turn out your tens of thousands; throw not the burden of the day upon Providence, but "show your faith by your works," that God may bless you. It matters not where you live, or what rank of life you hold, the evil or the blessing will reach you all. The far and the near, the home counties and the back, the rich and the poor, will suffer or rejoice alike.

The heart that feels not now is dead; the blood of his children will curse his cowardice, who shrinks back at a time when a little might have saved the whole, and made them happy.

I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death.

My own line of reasoning is to myself as straight and clear as a ray of light. Not all the treasures of the world, so far as I believe, could have induced me to support an offensive war, for I think it murder; but if a thief breaks into my house, burns and destroys my property, and kills or threatens to kill me, or those that are in it, and to "bind me in all cases whatsoever" to his absolute will, am I to suffer it?

What signifies it to me, whether he who does it is a king or a common man; my countryman or not my countryman; whether it be done by an individual villain, or an army of them? If we reason to the root of things we shall find no difference; neither can any just cause be assigned why we should punish in the one case and pardon in the other.

Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul by swearing allegiance to one whose character is that of a sottish, stupid, stubborn, worthless, brutish man.

I conceive likewise a horrid idea in receiving mercy from a being, who at the last day shall be shrieking to the rocks and mountains to cover him, and fleeing with terror from the orphan, the widow, and the slain of America.

Thomas Paine - December 23, 1776

Hard to imagine this one will get judicial support 03.Dec.2004 10:21

A. Citizen

From Keith Olbermann's blog, Dec 2
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240


But of all the developments out of Ohio, the most provocative, clearly, is still stalled under the weight of its own paperwork. The Alliance for Democracy is not quite ready with its *challenge* to the vote yet. Lawyer Cliff Arnebeck, with who else but Reverend Jackson by his side today on the steps of the Ohio Supreme Court, said that the group hopes to file its election challenge tomorrow -- if not, Monday -- but it's not guaranteeing anything.

If and when it gets around to it, the Alliance will be asking one high court justice to set the election results aside, pending a full investigation and hearing. Arnebeck said today he believes that if all ballots were counted in what he calls a "traditional context," the outcome would not just swing from President Bush's 130,000 vote election night lead -- it would swing all the way in the opposite direction, and give Kerry a 130,000 vote lead.

"Once we file the litigation." Arnebeck added, "aggressive discovery will proceed, and we'll get to the truth. I want to reemphasize once again as we did at the previous press conference that the purpose here is not partisan, the purpose here is not destructive toward anyone and we invite all candidates, we invite the Bush campaign and the Kerry campaign to join and cooperate in a non-partisan effort to find the truth, gather the facts, and assure the public, and assure both candidates, that this is an honest election."

Arnebeck sounded a little like a protestor in Kiev: "Our presidential election affects not just this country but all the citizens of the world. And therefore it's absolutely essential that the person who assumes the mantle of that office has the full confidence of our public and the world community that it was an honest election."

good news 03.Dec.2004 11:24

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Guess what? It the suit was indeed filed on Dec. 2. Sorry to 'let your negativity' down.

Guess what? House Judiciary Committee members (republicans have boycotted it!) are starting public hearings about vote fraud. Yet once more, sorry to 'let your negativity down.'

Speak your mind 03.Dec.2004 11:53

Crucified Ego

At the very least, we can *Try*. Write to Ron Wyden, and plead with him to sign on to a protest of the election. I doubt it will happen, but it's the least we can do.

-J