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In America we have this thing called seperation of church and state, there is also the bizarre concept of tolerance and equality. However, Christians don't like that concept and if you disagree, well God or the GOP doesn't like you. So if your still thinking that this is America and not the christian states of persecution. They've got your number.
"There's only one creator, and it has to be God," said Rebecca Cashman, 16, a sophomore at Dover High. She frowned when asked to recollect what she learned about evolution at school last year.

"Evolution -- is that the Darwin theory?" Cashman shook her head. "I don't know just what he was thinking!"  http://resist.ca/story/2004/11/30/185252/14


I have an idea, how about we leave christianity to God and government to liars. Unfortunately, America has become a recipe of all these ingredients. Christianity, God, government, and liars.

Christians live in glass houses. They love to throw stones at people, persecute them for their beliefs, and if need be, a lie or two helps.

Below you will find an article about creationism being taught in schools in Texas and some things a little more extremist.(just scroll if you don't want to hear the rant).

If my kids have to learn about creationism in school, then I also want them to learn about the koran, buddhism, hinduism, and much more. I want them to know they can live in a world side by side with people that may have differen't cultures, beliefs, and spirituality. I want them to understand christians and how to live with them, even though they would like to see me and my family surrounded by fire and brimstone, while burning at a stake. Sound harsh? Unfortunately, it's true.

What's fair is fair right? That is, if christians still believe in America...that's the problem, they don't. They don't believe in G-O-D, but G-O-P. I wonder what they are doing to spread love and peace...and also uphold their duty as american citizens by speaking up when others try to use their religion for political gain and deceit. Unless that's what Christianity is for, political gain and deceit, then I do believe.

"beware of false prophets"

This trick is similar to the salem witch trials and crusade. Personally, I'm being further alienated from God because of them, because they tell me that if I don't believe, I'm basically no good and deserve a fate worse then death. That hurts my feelings and makes me wonder why god would tell these people to persecute me for my faith. Did God also ask the priests to molest children because it was the moral thing to do? Of course not, but that's because God gave me a brain to use and I understand that sometimes evil men, would use him for their own personal gains. The God I believe in, never taught me to hate, never taught me to impose my or his will on others...the God I believe in, has taught me love. Through love you gain understanding. I believe in Jesus the saviour, not Jesus the avenger...quite frankly, I don't appreciate him being used like some superhero comic book character...unless that is what he is. Which leads to me question the God I believe in, as it's told to me by christians. Have I been fooled? Do Muslims know something I don't? Buddhists? Hindus?

Is Chistianity a cruel trick of Satan? Does God exist everywhere or only in the minds of christians? Has he taken differen't forms? Is god white? Are there any forms of Christianity that teach love, because I'm only being taught anger. It's everywhere around me, Christians are angry people, why? Do they not believe in God, is that why their so angry? Is God telling them to persecute anyone who does not burn the books and films with them? I just need to know.


I need to know, because I see that I will have to pretend to be a christian and go to the churches and teach my children what they want and make sure to tell them we live in a christian nation. Meanwhile I will do my best to try to make sure they escape through some underground railroad system. I don't want my children to be taught indifference, if I have to sneak them out of the country for fear of persecution I will. I must protect my family from the evil that men do, even if they claim God speaks to them personally. He speaks to me too, but he doesn't tell me to pound my fist on podiums, turning red with anger, while sweating profusely telling good people lies.

He is also telling me, that killing is wrong, yet Christians have told me, it's only wrong when it's convenient, like in the case of abortion. If I murder someone who does not believe, then I did God a favor, at least according to Christians. Will I be charged with a crime if I do this? Will Christians come to my rescue when I use God and them as my excuse? Is there a new law for Christians that protects me if I kill muslims, buddhists, hindus, and especially atheists. Because I'm becoming angry too, but I don't think I can kill without knowing that Christian laws will protect me. Why haven't Christians spent more time making sure I can murder in his name, then making sure gay marriage does not become acceptable. Surely Christians understand that if they are going to take over the country, they need laws to also protect them from murder. If Christians had that law, they wouldn't need to worry about gay marriage, it would be legal to get rid of them. Or is that what the army is for, does that give me the moral right to kill in God's name? I think I have found the answer.

The army is where I can learn to kill in God's name and it's acceptable. I wonder if Osama Bin Laden has told his followers the same thing. Is the Christian God better then the Islamic one? If it is, what are we waiting for, why aren't we deporting all muslims, buddhists, and anyone non-christian. I want to believe but I can't, it's not the liberals, it's the fact that people exist that think different then I do and they're everywhere. How do Christians get rid of these people so we don't have to be subject to their seditious ways? If we make a law that protects Christians from murder, then I suppose this is the answer, or maybe we can just put them in jail and concentration camps if they don't believe? I suppose that is the more humane thing to do.

However, this leaves us with a quagmire, who will our enemy be when we get rid of all of them. What will we be scared of next, what will our religious leaders do when they don't have an enemy to present us. Will this be the utopia we seek? One world, one religion, one idea, and all coming from one mortal man who God speaks to. Perhaps Christianity in it's present manifestation, is the evil my God warned me about.

If Christians have the right to persecute my faith, then do I have the right to persecute them? My God tells me no, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Keeping this in mind, I understand now, that my children will not have religious freedom in their lifetime and quite possibley we may have the same fate as the Jews in Germany. I can accept that. I just hope when the Christians set their sights on me and my family, I hope they have mercy and their punishments will be swift and my children's execution will uphold with their moral values. Then again, it may be that I will be punished and my children will be taken from me to serve the army of God. That will relieve Christians the pain of losing their own. America has had concentration camps before, remember when all Japanese-Americans where enemies of the state, well we rounded them up and put them in concentration camps, so it won't be a new concept. If you didn't have round eyes, then surely you were a communist. If you don't believe in the Christian God, then surely you must be a terrorist. The only difference, back then, Americans didn't want to kill the Japanese-Americans, Christians think death is a just punishment for being a terrorist and a terrorist is anyone that doesn't believe.

I think I'll just fake it; and at the conclusion of WWIII...just like now, I will pretend I didn't know what was happening. That is the only choice I have, because I live in fear of the Christians, they are powerful people with hate, death, and paranoia filling up every waking moment of their lives. I believe, really I do, that guy over there, he doesn't look right, he's dark, please arrest him. "Sir, that's your shadow".


Anti-evolution teachings gain foothold in U.S. schools
Evangelicals see flaws in Darwinism

Anna Badkhen, San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, November 30, 2004

Dover, Pa. -- The way they used to teach the origin of the species to high school students in this sleepy town of 1,800 people in southern Pennsylvania, said local school board member Angie Yingling disapprovingly, was that "we come from chimpanzees and apes."

Not anymore.

The school board has ordered that biology teachers at Dover Area High School make students "aware of gaps/problems" in the theory of evolution. Their ninth-grade curriculum now must include the theory of "intelligent design," which posits that life is so complex and elaborate that some greater wisdom has to be behind it.

The decision, passed last month by a 6-to-3 vote, makes the 3,600-student school district about 20 miles south of Harrisburg the first in the United States to mandate the teaching of "intelligent design" in public schools, putting it on the front line of the growing national debate over the role of religion in public life.

The new curriculum, which prompted two school board members to resign, is expected to take effect in January. The school principal, Joel Riedel, and teachers contacted by The Chronicle refused to comment on the changes.

The idea of intelligent design was initiated by a small group of scientists to explain what they believe to be gaps in Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, which they say is "not adequate to explain all natural phenomena. "

On an intelligent-design Web site, the theory is described as "a scientific disagreement with the claim of evolutionary theory that natural phenomena are not designed.''

Critics such as Eugenie Scott, director of the Oakland-based National Center for Science Education, say the Dover school board's decision is part of a growing trend. Religious conservatives, critics say, have been waging a war against Darwin in classrooms since the Scopes "Monkey Trial" of 1925. Tennessee schoolteacher John Scopes was convicted of illegally teaching evolution, but his conviction later was thrown out on a technicality by the Tennessee Supreme Court.

"There's a constant impetus by conservative evangelical Christians to bring religion back into the public schools," said Witold Walczak, legal director of the Pennsylvania branch of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The end goal is to get rid of evolution. They view it as a threat to their religion."

The intelligent-design theory makes no reference to the Bible, and its proponents do not say who or what the greater force is behind the design. But Yingling, 46, who graduated from Dover High School in 1976, and other supporters of the new curriculum in this religiously conservative slice of rural Pennsylvania say they know exactly who the intelligent designer is.

"There's only one creator, and it has to be God," said Rebecca Cashman, 16, a sophomore at Dover High. She frowned when asked to recollect what she learned about evolution at school last year.

"Evolution -- is that the Darwin theory?" Cashman shook her head. "I don't know just what he was thinking!"

Patricia Nason at the Institute for Creation Research, the world leader in creation science, said her organization and other activist groups are encouraging people who share conservative religious beliefs to seek positions on local school boards.

"The movement is to get the truth out," Nason said by telephone from El Cajon (San Diego County). "We Christians have as much right to be involved in politics as evolutionists. We've been asleep for two generations, and it's time for us to come back."

Emboldened by their contribution to President Bush's re-election, conservative religious activists are using intelligent design as a new strategy of attacking evolution without mentioning God, Scott said.

"There is a new energy as a result of the last election, and I anticipate an even busier couple of years coming on," Scott said.

She called intelligent design "creationism lite" masquerading as science. The U.S. Supreme Court in 1987 banned the teaching of creationism -- which holds that God created the world about 6,000 years ago -- in public schools on the grounds of separation of church and state.

John West of the Discovery Institute in Seattle, the main sponsor and promoter of intelligent design, defended the theory he says addresses "evolution follies."

"Mainstream criticism should be raised in classrooms," West said.

The Dover school district's challenge to the primacy of evolution is not isolated. In Cobb County, Ga., parents sued a local school board for mandating that biology textbooks prominently display disclaimers stating that evolution is "not a fact." A federal court is expected to rule next month.

In Grantsburg, Wis., a school board revised its science curriculum to teach "various scientific models of theories of origin." In Charles County, Md. , the school board is considering a proposal to eliminate textbooks "biased toward evolution" from classrooms. Similar proposals have been considered this year in Missouri, Mississippi and Oklahoma.

"There is nothing random about this," said Barry Lynn, executive director of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "You might say it's a planned evolution of an attack on the science of evolution."

The drive to bring more religion and what have been labeled "moral values" into the classroom goes beyond challenges to Darwin's theory, Scott said. The Charles County school board also proposed to censor school reading lists of "immorality" or "foul language" and to allow the distribution of Bibles in schools. In Texas, the nation's second-biggest school textbook market, the State Board of Education approved health textbooks that defined abstinence as the only form of contraception and changed the description of marriage between "two people" to "a lifelong union between a husband and a wife."

"The religious right has a list of topics that it wants action on," Scott said. "Things like abortion, abstinence, gays are higher up in the food chain of their concern, but evolution is part of the package."

This drive has found fertile ground in this part of Pennsylvania, where billboards reading, "Many books inform but only the Bible transforms" line the road, and family restaurants offer free booklets titled "What the Bible says about moral purity" and "The Bible is God's word" at the door.

"These brochures give you an idea where some people in this community are coming from," said Jeff Brown, 54, who, along with his wife Carol, 57, resigned from the school board after they voted against changing the biology curriculum.

Yingling, who voted in favor, said she believes God created the world in six days and doesn't believe in evolution "at all." Another board member who supported the measure, William Buckingham, refused to say what he believes but has identified himself as a born-again Christian.

But religious beliefs or motivations should be beside the point, said Richard Thompson, an attorney who represents the board members. Thompson is the president of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., a pro-bono firm whose Web site promises "the sword and shield for the people of faith."

The decision was "supportive of academic freedom more than anything else, " Thompson said.

While not talking about his own religious convictions, Thompson added, "When you look at cell structure and you see the intricacy of the cell, you can come to the conclusion that it doesn't happen by natural selection, there has to be intelligent design." Thompson said he is ready to represent the board in the Supreme Court if it comes to that. Some parents and teachers in Dover already have asked the Pennsylvania ACLU to sue the board on their behalf. Walczak said the organization's legal team is studying the case before deciding whether to go to court.

Brown, the former school board member, says he is not arguing with other people's religious beliefs.

"Don't get me wrong: I don't have a problem with having these booklets where people can pick them up. But I do have a problem with people shoving this down the throats of our children on taxpayers' dollars," Brown said.

"I happen to believe both in God and evolution," he said, and his wife nodded: "Hear, hear."

The Browns appear to be in the minority. Although public schools have been teaching evolution for decades, a national Gallup poll in November 2004 showed that only 35 percent of those asked believed confidently that Darwin's theory was "supported by the evidence.'' More than one-third of those polled by CBS News later in November said creationism should be taught instead of evolution.

"A guy came up to me and said, 'Wait a minute, you believe in God and evolution at the same time? Evolution isn't in the Bible!' " said Brown, nibbling on a deep-fried mozzarella stick at the Shiloh Family Restaurant on Route 74. As he became more agitated, his voice grew louder, and other customers -- mostly gray-haired women and elderly men in baseball hats -- turned their heads to look at the couple. Carol Brown kept putting her index finger to her lips, gesturing for her husband to be quieter.

After the Browns left the restaurant, a waitress in her 30s slipped a note to a Chronicle reporter.

"Beware," it read. "God wrote over 2,000 years ago that there would be false prophets and teachers. If you would like to know the truth read the Bible."

Recent actions in the teaching of evolution

Tennessee, April 2003: Blount County's Board of Education votes not to adopt three high school biology textbooks because they do not present creationism alongside evolution.

California, September 2003: The Board of Trustees of the Roseville Joint Union High School District (Placerville County) decide not to enact a district- wide policy on teaching evolution. Science teachers have told the district that they do not want to add anti-evolutionist materials that are not state- approved.

Oklahoma, April 2004: Textbook legislation passes after it is stripped of a provision that all textbooks include a disclaimer describing evolution as "a controversial theory which some scientists present as scientific explanation for the origin of living things" and "the unproven belief that random, undirected forces produced a world of living things."

Pennsylvania, October 2004: A Dover, Pa., school board votes to include intelligent design in the district's science curriculum, making it the first such school district in the country.

Georgia, November 2004: A lawsuit is filed against the Cobb County School District over this disclaimer inserted into textbooks: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered."

Source: National Center for Science Education; Chronicle research
National polls on the issue

In your opinion, is Darwin's theory supported by evidence?

Supported by evidence, 35%

Not supported, 35%

Don't know enough to say, 29%

Which best describes your views of the origin of life?

Man developed with God guiding, 38%

Man developed with no help from God, 13%

God created man in present form, 45%

Source: Gallup Poll, conducted Nov. 7-10. The poll surveyed 1,016 adults; the margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

NOTE: Gallup is known for skewed polls.
Seperation of Church and State? 02.Dec.2004 10:05

Man in Portland

Where in the constitution is the seperation of church and state?

I can't stand it 02.Dec.2004 11:36


There's no such thing as "god." "Intelligent design" is not science. We are plummeting toward a new dark age, people, WAKE UP!

U.S. Constitution--Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

it doesn't 02.Dec.2004 12:40

so why not

Good catch, we've been duped. NOT

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Also, I don't think anywhere in this article I saw, "the constitution says...", so your phishing.

If they didn't want to make a law respecting an establishment of religion, does that mean they wanted to merge it?

"...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", does this mean if I'm buddhist, I'm phuqed?

No, it means your little christian infiltration failed, because you are afraid of what lies beyond the level of your understanding, that takes steps to enlightenment, a book won't teach you that, it's a way of life. Some call it Karma, and others use CHI, regardless what you believe, this is what America is about and why our guys are dying for nothing, so you can keep pushing the bible on everyone that doesn't want it. Wow, your god really didn't teach you anything about love did he...or is it a she? Or it? You don't even know do you? You question your god like you question the constitution. Here's and idea. Get out of our country you communist. Hurts when it's on the other foot huh?

What are you a terrorist? You want to take away my freedoms? bush warned me about people like you, he said people would try to take away my freedom and he said they were terrorists. I knew it, christians are terrorists!

Are you starting to see how absurd this argument is, are you starting to see how we can live together in peace...or do you want a civil war? That's treason you know? I love my country and love my constitution, please don't try to take that from me. Does reality scare you that much?

I can't wait to die, because I know I will become part of all things, past, present, and future.

Maybe that sounds kooky to you...so do chariots of fire and the little guy with horns on his head.

Is god white? That was my favorite part.

Yes, we're mocking you, like you do us. Isn't America great? now go call the feds & have us imprisoned or executed for free speech, ya fascist<<<<<is that in the constitution?

What the christians don't understand, is that the neo-con cabal, USED them to get what they wanted. Christians *think* they are using the republicans, but the real people who win, are the guys making all the money. Are christians not aware what skull and bones is? It's practically a luciferian cult and bush was a member, so was his father. Ahhhh, I think I get it, without luciferians, you don't have christians. So they need each other, that's what this little game has been about.

So christians support luciferians, wow, I need a drink to make sense of this. The amount of backstabbing and blackmail between the GOP, the christians, neo-cons, illuminati, and corporations is mind boggling.

Your getting used brother, we're americans, join us, and we CAN all live together and respect each other as well.

I support your religion and believe there are good christians, but where are they when we need love? Supposedly they are 51% of the population. But in reality, it's a bunch of opportunists capatilizing on the word of God and using GOOD people. It's a sad time to be an american.

Separation of Church and State 02.Dec.2004 14:53

Thomas Jefferson

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

Separation of Church and State 02.Dec.2004 14:58

James Madison

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history."

"religion & Gov will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together;"

Separation of Church and State 02.Dec.2004 15:13

Benjamin Franklin

"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."

Argument to end all arguments 02.Dec.2004 17:19


My favorite story about the utter impenetrability of christian creationists is this one: Two groups of parents at a PTO meeting got into the creation v. evolution argument big time, the creationists reciting the usual bible stuff without anything but their own repetition to support it. Among the group on the side of evolution was a world-renowned anthropologist, who proceeded to give chapter and verse on the science supporting evolution and the uncontested evidence of ancient human variants millions of years older than would be possible under biblical teaching. All the creationists pretty much shut up because they couldn't counter the merits of the argument, but one lady refused to yield to science. Addressing herself to the room, she intoned "Just because you say you have fossil evidence millions of years old doesn't change a thing. God can make anything LOOK old."