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Ohio vote certification in 5 days.

What does it mean?
On Friday December 3rd. Ohio's Secretary of State will certify the presidential election.

What does this mean? Legally?
Not much 28.Nov.2004 21:00

Lloyd Hart dadapop@dadapop.com

Kathrine Harris as the secretary of state of Florida certified the Florida election 12 days after the election was held yet the election was challenged legally all the way to the Supreme Court where the Supreme Court was suborned by the corruption inherent in the system.

I don't know about that? 29.Nov.2004 05:30

me again

Didn't the supreme court basically say that the florida supreme court failed to follow the law because it said that the certification date was 12 days after the election and the florida supreme court decided it should be longer, but had no legal right to do so?

In other words the supreme court said "the law governing certification MEANS something."

So Come friday isn't the ohio recount effort just an acedmemic exersise?

Presumption accorded certification 06.Dec.2004 15:15

r.b. Hayes

Harris did not certify the result until after the first round of state-court litigation. Jeb Bush then signed the cerificate and mailed it to the National Archives. At that point there was virtually no way for Vice President Gore to win unless the Supreme Court intervened in his favor and held the Electoral Count Act unconstitutional. The effect of the Act is to make the "certified" candidate the presumptive winner of the State's electoral votes. Nothing the Florida supreme court did could alter this, and thus the second round of litigation (either the contest or the protest phase; I can't keep them straight) was meaningless. The whole second-stage of the Florida mess was nothing more than ginning up a good rallying cry for 2004. The Supreme Court reached the proper result, but never explained its reasoning and wrote an almost insultingly insipid opinion.
The procedures in Florida (and Ohio, for that matter) are designed for everything but Presidential elections. Nothing that happens after December 12th (or is it 13th?) this year has any meaning. The Supreme Court's holding in Bush v. Gore re-confirmed that the date the Electors meet is almost sacrosanct, although a candidate must arguably be certified seven days before the Electors meet to obtain the presumption of legitimacy.
The Electoral Count Act is prolix, confusing, and may be unconstitututional, but it's unlikely to ever be struck down.