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fellow murderer's rally behind Fallujah murderer

all of you decent and REAL Americans, please rise up and shout the truth to
these dumbasses now wearing the US Marine uniform and tell them to be real men
and not murderers!
Marines Rally Behind Comrade
Charged With Killing Iraqi
By Michael Georgy

FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. Marines rallied round a comrade under investigation for killing a wounded Iraqi during the offensive in Falluja, saying he was probably under combat stress in unpredictable, hair-trigger circumstances.

Marines interviewed on Tuesday said they didn't see the shooting as a scandal, rather the act of a comrade who faced intense pressure during the effort to quell the insurgency in the city.

"I can see why he would do it. He was probably running around being shot at for days on end in Falluja. There should be an investigation but they should look into the circumstances," said Lance Corporal Christopher Hanson.

"I would have shot the insurgent too. Two shots to the head," said Sergeant Nicholas Graham, 24, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. "You can't trust these people. He should not be investigated. He did nothing wrong."

The military command launched an investigation after video footage showed a U.S. Marine shooting a wounded and unarmed man in a mosque in the city on Saturday. The man was one of five wounded and left in the mosque after Marines fought their way through the area.

A pool report by NBC correspondent Kevin Sites said the mosque had been used by insurgents to attack U.S. forces, who stormed it, killing 10 militants and wounding the five. Sites said the wounded had been left for others to pick up.

A second group of Marines entered the mosque on Saturday after reports it had been reoccupied. Footage from the embedded television crew showed the five still in the mosque, although several appeared to be close to death, Sites said.

He said a Marine noticed one prisoner was still breathing.

A Marine can be heard saying on the pool footage provided to Reuters Television: "He's f***ing faking he's dead."

"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head," Sites said.

NBC said the Marine, who had reportedly been shot in the face himself the previous day, said immediately after the shooting: "Well, he's dead now."


The Marine commander in Falluja, Lieutenant General John Sattler, said his men followed the law of conflict and held themselves to a high standard of accountability.

"The facts of this case will be thoroughly pursued to make an informed decision and to protect the rights of all persons involved," he said.

Marines have repeatedly described the rebels they fought against in Falluja as ruthless fighters who didn't play by the rules. They say the investigation is politically motivated.

"It's all political. This Marine has been under attack for days. It has nothing to do with what he did," said Corporal Keith Hoy, 23.

Rights group Amnesty International said on Monday both sides in the Falluja fighting had broken the rules of war governing the protection of civilians and wounded combatants.

Gunnery Sergeant Christopher Garza, 30, favored an investigation but like other Marines said the Pentagon should weigh its decision carefully.

"He should have captured him. Maybe the insurgent had some valuable information. There may have been mitigating circumstances. Maybe his two buddies died in Falluja," he said.

Sites said: "I have witnessed the Marines behaving as a disciplined and professional force throughout this offensive. In this particular case, it certainly was a confusing situation to say the least."

The U.S. military has been embarrassed by scandals in Iraq, most prominently the Abu Ghraib affair in which at least eight U.S. soldiers have been tried or face courts-martial over the abuse of prisoners at the jail outside Baghdad.

There have also been several cases in which soldiers have been charged with wrongfully killing Iraqis during operations.
It sounds like "certification of death" 17.Nov.2004 12:07

Lloyd the goy


From Shahak report #152:

"It has been known for some time that under certain circumstances Israel was ordering its troops to murder the wounded enemy fighters and/or prisoners of war as a matter of policy.For example:The obvious fact (not noticed, however, by the American media) that during years of thousands of military operations in Lebanon involving all kinds of Israeli formations, no single POW has been captured."

It is interesting to note that the excuses offered at that time to justify that policy are exactly the same as those being put forward with great volume and shrillness on right-wing radio and in more measured tones on the televised media.In fact, last night on CNN I believe I saw one of the Israeli spokesmen mentioned by Professor Shahak in regard to the "certification of death" policy in Lebanon was justifying the killing of POWs by Marines in Falluja.It is even more interesting to note that Israel was driven out of Lebanon shortly after Shahak wrote this article despite, or because of, these brutal practices.

The Murderer of Fallujah 17.Nov.2004 12:37

you & me in the dear ol' USA

The Murderer of Fallujah

by elaine

All this talk about a re-count and the election and all that is great, and I support it, but I find myself aware, every minute of the day, that children in Iraq are being killed, right now, as you read this. And our tax dollars are paying for it. And it is so wrong.

And I can't stop thinking about it and how privileged and wealthy and healthy and happy I am in my life here in America while my government is wreaking havoc on poor, terrified women, children, and elderly people. That's who we really are bombing, you know. Not the "insurgents." There might be a HANDFUL of true insurgents in Fallujah; the vast majority of the residents are cowering, frightened everyday people like you and me. They are "insurgents" because they are defending their homes! I would be an insurgent if someone were bombing me.

Yet here I sit, at my computer, drinking a nice glass of wine from the Napa Valley, right over the hill from my house; and later I will have a nice dinner with my family and we'll have a fire in the fireplace and then we'll go to sleep in down-covered beds and dream and hope and wonder about tomorrow. And the mothers and babies and aunties and grandpas of Fallujah will wrap their arms around each other in terror. (by "Terror" I mean the REAL kind, not George W. Bush's definition of "terror." He doesn't really know what "terror" means.) And they will eat what little food they can find in their kitchen and then try to go to sleep together, all in the same bed, clinging to each child and mother and auntie and grandpa because they don't know what will happen tonight. They may not wake up. They may die tonight. They won't dream...they will have the nightmare of their lives, brought to them live and in color via smart bombs and shock waves of sound and awesome great balls o' fire (it's SO American, like rock and roll and baseball). Hopefully it will be over quickly; the mother will thank Allah that her child didn't suffer for too long...she died quickly...I'll see her soon, please get this over with and let me out of this Hell.)

I'll wake up in the morning and read about 50 of our soldiers dying in five days...and will automatically wonder how many Iraqi children died during those same five days, and then I will think about what I did over the past five days and feel completely ashamed and guilty that I have so much and they had so little...yet still we took it away.

"When nothing's what you've got, Nothing means a lot." Still, we take it away from them.

Why? Why? Can anybody out there tell me WHY this is happening? Does George W. Bush have THAT MUCH POWER?

How could we give power to a murderer? Why aren't we out in the streets? Where is everybody?

elaine in Petaluma


This makes me feel sick 17.Nov.2004 21:37


The comments of the Marines show how destructive war and violence is...yes...I believe that soldier would never consider shooting someone in the pizza parlor of this hometown, and that war caused him stress, and that under those conditions "they" believe the rules are different.