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Plans and suggestions for this Saturday
Many people I have spoken with who were at the Nov 3rd, and 6th protests were frustrated with the way the protest turned out,
specifically in terms of low turnout, lack of a clear message, and strategy.
So a group of us will be going down again this SATURDAY at NOON to PIONEER SQUARE. It would be great if others could organize affinity groups as well and come with ideas and lots of people,
We have some suggestions, please add more to these:
-Stay in visible areas, if we are in a visible area there is no reason to move, by playing cat and mouse we end up dvided, and can be herded to a non-visible area like the waterfront. I would suggest trying to get a consensus of where to head for before we leave the square.
-bring more signs/art, like large banners, puppets, etc.
-Think of chant/signs specific to an issue, for example voter fraud, Fallujah, or the 100,000+ Iraqi deaths.
-Try to network before, during, and/or after the protest so we can form strong networks, in order to plan more effectively for actions in the future,
-If we feel there are enough of us to take the streets it is much easier to do so early on.
In solidarity,
Thanks, Una 12.Nov.2004 09:44

For being out there

Yes, it's way important that we keep our voices out there. Regarding an action tomorrow, though, I have a few thoughts to take or leave as you desire.

First, it's probably too short notice and too little outreach to get many people. It's not a lack of commitment on the part of others, but simply a matter of logistics. So if you do go ahead with it, don't get discouraged by low turnout -- just make sure you know why you're there. You don't necessarily need large numbers at this moment if you can be creative.

The trick right now is to get the story rolling. So here's what I suggest. First, either create a flyer(s) to get out your voice, or else print one of many excellent flyers and/or articles from this and other sites. Make plenty of copies and hand them out to absolutely everyone. (I suggest Greg Palast's article on how the election was stolen, for example. See, I think,  http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110504V.shtml.)

Second, do something colorful and creative. Make people look. I like your idea of staying visible, too. I couldn't figure out why we kept allowing ourselves to be herded around the city by the ridiculous pigs on the 3rd. It's just a rut we've been in. Forget it. The point is to be heard, not to "outflank" the cops. Sometimes I think we get too wrapped up in the game of the whole thing and forget what we're actually doing. We're getting better, though, as we go along. This is getting serious now, and I think people are taking it that way.

Third, don't even THINK about pandering to the corporate media. In spite of what some people continue to believe and spout, we do NOT need the corporate media, and the corporate media is NOT on our side. Fuck them. Use your own voice, not theirs. Take pics or video if you can, and post it here after the action. Make sure to get people's stories about why they're there and what they see that needs to be changed. Write up an article about it all later.

Finally, network with the (probably few at this point) people who will show up tomorrow, and talk about what more you can do and how you can do it. Get together at someone's house or another mutually agreeable location and talk, think, and act. Remember that there are many, many people who feel as you do, even if they don't necessarily show up tomorrow.

As I said, you can take or leave this advice as you desire. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, only trying to help. This is the time when we all must support each other's efforts in whatever way we can. I applaud you for being willing to get out and do something, and I assure you there's a lot more in the works coming soon. Although I won't see you tomorrow, as I did not hear about this until making other commitments, I look forward to hearing how it goes.

hey una I went to meeting last night and this group might help 12.Nov.2004 11:02



Yea, I saw Flyers all around town 12.Nov.2004 12:40


I will be there! Hopefully this one will be more organized :-) Good Work! I saw the flyers all around town. Even if a lot of people do not show up, we should still do what we can. It's better to voice our opinions in the streets then at home on the couch. I'm ready!!!!!

suggestions 12.Nov.2004 14:43


you have good intentions but it seems to me you are still going about it wrong.
People at Nov. 3rd had good ideas, there were affinity groups, chants, etc. Asking that people bring a plan is not the way to hold an organized march!
Thats what advanced planning groups are for, and spokes councils. Get everyone leading the march together WELL IN ADVANCE, and come up with a unique idea, some action different than all the others. 'Staying visible' is not an action people find all that exciting. Get creative- rather than just saying "don't worry, we'll be creative" because it's likely that the exact same thing will happen.
I'm not angry or pissed or whatever, I'm just saying, if you want an organized march, than actualy do it. Maybe think about weather or not people want to keep going to dead-end peacefull protests, think about options, think about office buildings to rush, think about rep.s to question, think about corperations to shut down, think about recruitment centers to target. I'm not saying you have to be crazy militants, just look at your options. People like doing... something!
If you plan to take the streets, get a deticated group in the front, who is willing to face down cops, think about taking large signs w/ handles to block police horses vision/peper spray. Link arms when entering the street, hold steadfast, I cannot stress this enough!
Know who will be there, the route, and the plan BEFORE HAND, use walkie talkies, contact and keep street medics informed, maybe pick a media person to treat well and stick with for better and more accurate press... THEN you'll have a march.
Good luck to Una and everyone else, peace.

Civil disobedience not the answer 13.Nov.2004 16:23

Donna Loehr ,MartyNDonnaL75@aol.com

While I understand the reason for civil disobedience, it turns me off. Why should
you care how I feel about militant protest? I am upper middle class America. I pay
taxes (big taxes) and I consider myself very liberal ie progressive.

In order to overcome the neo-con, radical right wing agenda we need to out THINK
them. EVOLVE as a politcal force with a message that resonates of truth, fairness,
equality, and equal rights.

I have been a Welfare mom, and because of social programs available under a Democratic
Administration many years ago, I was able to elevate my social status through
hard work, educational opportunities, and child care subsidies.

We as progressives possess a message of truth. I believe civil disobedience will
only fuel the right wing fire.

Thanks for the flyer, appreciate you are out there. This election result has
gotten me off my couch and searching for answers, hopefully many others feel
the same way.


not the answer? 13.Nov.2004 16:40

some would disagree

We who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with an its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because his unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to God's will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber.

Martin Luther King Jr.
Letter from Birmingham Jail