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Nader/Camejo Challenge Electronic Voting Results in New Hampshire

Washington, DC:The Nader/Camejo campaign has filed a challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire after receiving numerous complaints from voting rights activits. Below is Nader's letter to New Hampshire requesting a recount. Also, below is Nader's view on electronic voting without a paper trial. In addition, the Nader/Camejo campaign offered our campaign to poll watchers who wanted to be credentialed to be inside to monitor electronic voting. Hundreds of democracy activists in Maryland working with TrueVoteMD.org were credentialed to monitor polling through the Populist Party which was created by Nader-Camejo supporters in Maryland.
November 5, 2004

Via fax: 603-271-6316
To The Secretary of State of New Hampshire:

The Nader/Camejo campaign requests a hand recount of the ballots in the presidential election in New Hampshire. Numerous voting rights activists have requested that we seek a recount of this vote.

We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire. These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected. Problems in these electronic voting machines and optical scanners are being reported in machines in a variety of states.

We are requesting that the state undertake this recount or a statistically significant sample audit of these vote counts.

We would like to make sure every vote counts and is counted accurately.


Ralph Nader

homepage: homepage: http://www.blackboxvoting.org

nail in the coffin 05.Nov.2004 23:47

disgusted citizen

one more reason why it makes me sick that i voted for the pathetic spineless establishment lapdog kerry. why does it take ordinary citizens such as bev harris of blackboxvoting and candidates such as nader to push this issue of our stolen democracy? do we need any more reminder of what a non-choice kerry was? fuck kerry. fuck bush. seriously.

Nader and Cobb and Badarnik: the only non puppets 06.Nov.2004 02:13


Title: VIDEO: Nader proves that Bush and Kerry are just puppets--by Nader debating PUPPETS!

Groening's Law of Love (And Politics) 06.Nov.2004 06:50

alsis38 alsis35@yahoo.com

For you, "disgusted citizen," slightly modified from Matt Groening's *Life In Hell*:

Q: How do I get revenge on someone who broke my heart ?

A: Don't be such a sap the next time.

Thank You, and enjoy your weekend. ;)

. 06.Nov.2004 07:37


Once again the Democrats have shown how they are equal to the slimiest scum on the face of the earth.

At least Bush is a clear enemy. The Democrats are Grima Wormtongue.

Go Nader and Black Box Voting! 06.Nov.2004 07:52


Thank you Ralph Nader. The Democrats owe you a huge apology for their baseless attacks on you. Of course you will never hear it from them because they did their job of stopping third party participation through their fear tactics. It was a thorough victory for the Skull and Bones brothers John and George.

Now also, all the progressives who attacked Nader have do-do on their face, and I hope they will see how twisted with fear they became that they attacked a candidate with character and integrity, while supporting Kerry who sold everyone out. I hope a lot of people who voted for Kerry will see the error of their ways and take a pledge to not vote their fears but to vote for who they actually want. It is the only way to make a vote count.

Lets get real 06.Nov.2004 11:58

Matt matt.neidenberg@gmail.com

Lets's get real. There were some real differences between Bush and Kerry in this election. Fact is, Kerry won. The enemy to true democracy is George W Bush and his cronies who stole this election, not the democrats and John Kerry. Nader and Bev Harris are rightly fighting for justice for our democracy and the Democratic party. Democrats are supporting their efforts, but since they are on the big stage and must fight "non-radically" they can't go completely public with it just yet as a party. They are getting the word out though many other means. Kerry is not spineless, believe me, he is fighting very hard for this and following everything that is going on very closely. If anyone who reads this really wants to help, send $$$ to Bev Harris's org $1 $2 $5 whatever. Here's her address: Black Box Voting, PO Box 25552 Seatle WA 98165
Matt Neidenberg

Matt still believes 06.Nov.2004 12:16


Matt, you still believe Kerry and the Democrats are secretly working for your interests? Because it's too radical to come out openly advocating things like:

voting rights
paper trail in voting
international law
human rights
health care as a right
the U.S. Constitution
not slaughtering children in Fallujah
not kidnapping democratically elected foreign Presidents like Aristide
not funding covert operations to overthrow democratically elected populist Presidents like Hugo Chavez

Secretly, the Democrats and Kerry are working to do the exact opposite of what they do when they:

speak in public
speak on the House and Senate floor
vote in the House and Senate
solicit campaign contributions from corporate big wigs

Secretly, they are just biding their time until they see an opening, then they will seize upon it and come out swinging and save the day, so in the meantime, you don't have to. You just have to sit there, vote Democrat, sit there, sit there, and believe...

hmmm 06.Nov.2004 12:44


sit there and do nothing but live in wishful thinking. Matt, you deserve Bush because you show the same level of disconnect from reality.

The Democrats are actively working aainst justice, not for it. They have helped Bush for the last year, including changing laws in 9 states to help Bush get on the ballot. This while they spent millions and millions of dollars to do their best to destroy Nader and keep him off the ballot by any means. If the Democratic Party just disappeared, we would all be better off. They are a destructive element in the world. It is their job to subvert and subdue any real dissent, and in enchange they get second place.

Democratic Party 06.Nov.2004 13:02


Whoa there! Bev Harris and Nader are NOT fighting for the Democratic Party. There are fighting for Democracy. Though the names are similar, they have almost no relationship to each other. The Democratic Party actively works to defeat efforts at Democracy.

Matt, you have been played like a fiddle, taken for a ride, had the woll pulled over your eyes, flimflammed. But just like Charlie Brown, the Democrats are going to put the football down, you are gonna run up to kick it, and land on your ass over and over and over. The Democrats spent the last 9 months actively validating the Bush agenda. They are not your friend.

I don't care about the Demopublicans 06.Nov.2004 13:39

I want accountability

I joined Bev Harris' fight against black box voting because I began to believe that if the people cannot hold their "elected officials" accountable for their actions through the ballot box they will become so arrogant and autocratic that violence will become the only viable alternative for the ruled against the rulers.

Nader - deception repackaged 06.Nov.2004 13:54

Matt Marriott

If Nader really wasn't part of the illuminati agenda, he would have denounced electronic vote BEFORE the election and he would have called for a boycott.

... about this article of "The Independent" :

This article is deception of the worst type, pretending to expose in order to cover-up better. Check to what lengths it goes trying to cover-up the simple fact that ONE simple line of code decides what results you will get ("invested, may, None has been tested, difficult, risks, possibility, could") :


After the "hanging chads" nightmare in 2000, many states have invested in electronic voting machines. But these may introduce new problems. None has been tested in a presidential election. In the event of recounts, few produce a paper record of votes, which will make verification difficult. Other risks include malfunctioningmachines or computer servers, and the possibility that outsiders could hack into the system. </i>

<h3> Accepting to press the touch screen machine is accepting to carry the mark </h3>
There are no excuses - even a child understands that a computer will "say" whatever he was told to "tell".

<h3> Accepting to carry paper to cast the ballot is accepting to carry the mark</h3>
There are no excuses - even a child understands that alone the fact that more than one third of the votes will be created by computer is more than enoughto falsify ANY results.

Besides that, any adult voter understands that the possibility of voting on paper is only an alibi to tranquilize the sheeple (including himself) as electronic vote is introduced :
Results of votes from paper will not be statiscally checked against results of electronic voting, unless results of paper votes are also "counted" the "right" way.
Nobody can pretend that he doesn't understand the difference between democracy and <a href=" http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=14077">how votes are "counted" the "right" way - the Stalin way : "elections" in Afghanistan.
The difference between Stalin and Halloween 2004 is that Stalin wasn't pretending to play democracy - Kerry, Bush, Nader & Badnarik are.

<h3> Refusing to vote is not enought to pretend not to carry the mark </h3>
Refusing to take part in this satanic cerimony is not enough. Any adult understands that this is the celebration of the situation that has existed now in fact for years : the end of freedom, the official proclamation of enslavement and allegiance to satan.
God is going to ask you what have you done against it, and you'd better be convinced now you have a good answer, if you think that you will not be carrying the mark of the beast during the short time of the satanic rule.

Come On People 06.Nov.2004 14:41

kc kconley81@netscape.net

Listen to you all.You just want to be apathetic and discontent.Kerry is a good canidate.Why is noone talking about all the money Nader accepted from the republicans.Doesn't anyone get you have to work in the system to beat it .How do you make it better when all you do is hate everything and not work for change ? If you think neo conservatism is bad what about what your doing?The complain and whine and be apathetic "Because they are all corrupt any way" You make me sick.Change doesn't happen in big leaps it is a frustrating slow process. Kerry is making sure all the votes are getting counted .But you don't want to hear that because you didn't vote and BUSH IS OUR FUC*ING PRESIDENT. Nader is a piece he has been taking money from the kind of people he has fought against his whole life the GREEN PARTY would not even endorse him.Open your eyes you are doing exactly what the bastards want you to do NOTHING.

KC 06.Nov.2004 15:31

George Bender

"Why is no one talking about all the money Nader accepted from the republicans."

Where have you been? This has been endlessly discussed, and refuted, on this website. One more time: Only about 4 percent of Nader's funds came from people who also donated to the Republicans. Nader has the right to accept money from anyone, as long as it is legal. The other parties do. Most of the Democrat and Republican campaign funds come from rich people. The same rich people donate to both major parties, hedging their bets so they'll have influence no matter who wins. It is hypocritical to apply a standard to Nader that you do not apply to the Democrats.

Also, Nader's campaign fund was tiny compared to that of the Democrats and Republicans, and none of the donations he received changed his positions on any issues. Nader remains exactly what he is, no matter what, unlike flip-flopper Kerry.

Why is all this so difficult for you to understand? Is it because you want to smear Nader so he won't threaten Democrats?

"I say you been had, you been bamboozled." -- Malcolm X

very suspicious counts in Florida 06.Nov.2004 18:48


On a related note:

"...Take Baker County in Florida -- where Bush recieved 7700 votes on first count. Baker County has a little over 800 registered non-affiliated voters and almost 3000 registered Republicans. So, for Bush to get 7700 votes in that county, 4000 Democrats also had to vote for Bush...

I urge each and every one of you who feels that this might have happened in your own state to look at the voting data county by county and see if this same pattern follow in your State. Also, I urge those of you in Florida to help me find someone who will pay attention to this and stop the certification before the deadline of November 13th..."


Jeb accused by Florida State Rep. of rigging his 2002 election 06.Nov.2004 21:02

thom hartmann

I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

rest of article:

Keep The Love Strong 06.Nov.2004 22:01

Jared Nyberg

Keep the love strong. It's all about belief people. Do whatever you can to change the system that corrupts our couuntries and keep the love strong. In the end, you read and then trust your intuition. My readings and intution tell me Bush is a puppet and so is Kerry. Kerry actually won. Nader demanding a recount is good because it's a step.

This is all the same as when Lincoln stole the election back in the day. Things will change as long as we keep on fighting. Keep the love strong.

Ya! alsis 06.Nov.2004 22:41


Thank you for the chortle.


'disgusted citizen' does not know how not to be a sap. All his life he has been taught to put his trust and faith in kings' minions. Doubtless, he can remember being beaten when (not through any disobedient impulse, I am sure) he failed to give over quickly enough his faith, his trust, and everything else he happened to have in his pockets at the time. Jesus could say, "Take your bed and walk", confident of a miracle. You can't. (Can you?)

'disgusted citizen' needs more than excellent admonitory advice. He desperately needs help learning how to think and make reasoned decisions.

Also 06.Nov.2004 22:45


'disgusted citizen', you really must stop lusting after dirty old white men.

Nader/Camejo Challenge Electronic Voting Results in New Hampshire 07.Nov.2004 10:18


Repost of article from the "Nashua [NH] Telegraph" regarding a probable denial of the Nader / Camejo request for recount:


Nader requests N.H. vote recount

By KEVIN LANDRIGAN, Telegraph Staff

landrigank [AT] telegraph-nh [DOT] com

Published: Saturday, Nov. 6, 2004

CONCORD - Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader requested a hand recount of ballots in New Hampshire after getting seven-tenths of 1 percent of the vote.

"We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire,'' Nader wrote.

"These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5 percent to 15 percent over what was expected. Problems in these electronic voting machines and optical scanners are being reported in machines in a variety of states.''

Nader's recount request came in as a fax at 4:59 p.m., one minute before the deadline.

The application is not legal, however, because it did not come with payment, according to Assistant Attorney General Bud Fitch.

"At this point, we aren't considering it to be a valid request,'' he said.

Anyone who loses by more than 1 percent of the vote has to pay for a recount, he said, noting the cost statewide could be $80,000.

Nader can appeal that decision to the state Ballot Law Commission.

Two years ago, the commission agreed to go forward with a recount for a legislative seat after a losing candidate tried to fax a copy of the check to pay for the recount.

Secretary of State Bill Gardner said a Nader official told him the campaign tried to fax a copy of the check to pay for the recount but it jammed.

"If they appeal, it's up to the Ballot Law Commission to settle this,'' Gardner said.

Fitch said he had been in contact with Nader campaign officials throughout Friday to inform them of the recount requirements.

In the request, Nader said he wants either a full recount or a "statistically significant sample audit'' of these vote counts.

"We would like to make sure every vote counts and is counted accurately,'' Nader wrote.

Gardner said his staff intends to meet today to schedule the 14 recounts that were legally requested - three state Senate elections and 11 for seats in the 400-person House of Representatives.

The recounts requested on Friday included Hillsborough County District 27, the Hudson-Litchfield-Pelham district that elected 13 representatives on Tuesday.

Hudson Democrat Donna Marie Marceau requested the recount after finishing 32 votes away from the 13th-place finisher.

Kevin Landrigan can be reached at 224-8804 or landrigank [AT] telegraph-nh [DOT] com.


URL of article:


Why did Kerry and Nader not ask about computer security BEFORE the elections? 07.Nov.2004 11:16


CNN had a story on whether democracy was in peril due to the new computerized voting. Surely,Nader and Kerry's campaign managers watch CNN. Surely they all knew of the insecured voting machines, so why did they note express their concerns to the country as a whole? This is strange. (And what happened to the chap- Athan Gibbs Sr of Nashville- who invented a machine with a paper trail?)

Can a citizen's movement demand a NEW ELECTION? In the meantime, this fraud new must be make WORLD
WIDE to build up international support. Exporting "democracy" or "gansterism"?

Maybe I'm a dreamer, but... 07.Nov.2004 16:07

blackboxbusters unite!! wind4change2004@yahoo.com

...but just maybe with our 2004 elections quickly becoming the laughing stock of worldwide opinion, the Dem Lapdogs may feel they have little choice but to actually listen to their grassroots, and to join forces with Nader, to use the alternative media effectively to expose the Fascist takeover and send the Bush criminals to jail where they belong.

Back Up 07.Nov.2004 16:28


I am a CPA and I suggest you all contact your congressman and demand a hard copy backup on E-Vote terminals because when the IRS audits your returns they demand hard copy backup to expenses! They don't take your word for it and niether should we when we count the votes!

Nader did oppose electronic voting BEFORE the election 07.Nov.2004 18:53

George Bender

This is from the Nader platform on his campaign website at  http://www.votenader.org/issues/index.php?cid=32. You should not assume that because you didn't hear about something Nader said, he didn't say it. You can always check his website to see what he is saying. Nader is a prolific writer.

Paperless Electronic Voting

A bedrock of democracy is making sure that every vote counts. The counting of votes needs to be transparent so people can trust that their vote is counted as they cast it. Paperless electronic voting on touch screen machines does not provide confidence to ensure votes are counted the way voters intend. The software on which votes are counted is protected as a corporate trade secret and the software is so complex that if malicious code was embedded no analysis could discover it. Further, because there is no voter verified paper record, it is not possible to audit the electronic vote for accuracy, nor is it possible to conduct an independent recount. This Primary Day six million voters will be voting on paperless electronic voting machines. This is a grotesquely designed, over-complicated expensive system fraught with the potential for mistakes and undetected fraud.

On July 23, 2003 the Johns Hopkins Information Security Institute reviewed the electronic voting system in Maryland and found that it had security "far below even the most minimal security standards . . . ." Johns Hopkins computer security experts concluded: "If we do not change the process of designing our voting systems, we will have no confidence that our election results will reflect the will of the electorate."

Computers are inherently subject to programming error, equipment malfunction, and malicious tampering. If we are to ensure fair and honest elections, and retain voter confidence in our democratic process, we need to ensure that there are no such questions. Therefore, it is crucial that any computerized voting system provide a voter-verifiable paper audit trail and that random audits of electronic votes be conducted on Election Day. Paperless electronic voting machines make it impossible to safeguard the integrity of our vote thereby threatening the very foundation of our democracy.

The seller of the machines, the Diebold Corporation, is a supplier of money to one of the major party candidates, George W. Bush. The CEO and top officers of Diebold are major contributors to the Bush campaign. This does not pass the smell test. Voters should report immediately any suspected malfunctions and deficiencies at voting precincts around the country to their Board of Elections. And voters should urge their legislators to require a voter verified paper ballot trail for random audits and independent recounts.

refute anti nader words 07.Nov.2004 18:55


the caution against electronic voting was on the nader website months ago. it's still up and there still are other good reads, including refutations of repub money bs and details of what the dems did to keep nader off the ballot in or. if you've had a change of heart since the election it's probably not too late to sign up for volunteering, so you don't miss out on the next fight for justice. www.votenader.org

Write letters to every newspaper 07.Nov.2004 19:25


This is a sample of letters I sent to several newspapers in two states where I have lived. I would highly encourage you do do the same.

Dear Editors,

It is more than obvious that something went very wrong with
the election. What is even more obvious and equally disturbing
is that the media by and large is being silent on the issue. As
a citizen of this state I want answers. So do a lot of other

You can begin to search the internet and find there are
numerous reports of election fraud. Here is one of the more
popular sources, and one that appears to be seeking legal

There were protests and arrests in Portland Oregon this past
week, as well as serious demonstrations in Ohio, where the vote
count was quite inaccurate. It seems these events are being

The exit polls differed from the actual results and in almost
all cases the exit polls showed Kerry ahead anywhere from 51 -
49 to 53 - 47. Then things suddenly changed. Why?

I would also like to know why few or perhaps none of Americas
newspapers reported on the groups in Chili that are seeking to
charge Bush with war crimes:

This surfaced just prior to the election, yet it was kept
silent, except for a few reports on internet message boards.

Please investigate these matters. Or do we accept a system based
on fraud and lies?

What's going on??? 09.Nov.2004 17:21

Anxious activist

Is the recount going to go ahead? Is it really going to happen!?

I can't find any recent news about it, wah!