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I'm so mad I could just spit.
I just received a recorded phone survey regarding measure 36, same sex marriage. First i was asked by the survey how I planned to vote, and was then informed that in Mass where same sex marriage is legal that the gay lifestyle is now being taught to children. I was then asked if that information would affect my vote to which i replied no..fuck you.. Frankly it's the catholic priest lifestyle i'm more worried about.

me too 19.Oct.2004 07:24


I have very normal blood pressure, but I could feel it going off the scale by the 3rd "question."
I seriously doubt this was a "survey." I did not get the impression from the speed the "questions" rolled by that any answers were being recorded. Furthermore, most legitimate telephone surveys I've
encountered are performed by people, or allow the polled to select answers by keypad entries.
I hope their random/sequential dialer hooked them up to some well-versed lawyer with caller i.d. who will prosecute them for their sleaze.

right on 19.Oct.2004 07:49

theresa mitchell

Measure 36 is really about creating a permanent scapegoat class.

I got the same.. 19.Oct.2004 10:15

Crucified Ego

I got the same. Unfortunatley, it was recorded, so I couldn't ask who it was/who they were paid by. I did manage to *69 it and get the number.. of course it was DC based. the number was 571-522-1899. I tried to look it up.. first place said it was registered to Verizon. I went to Verizon, they claim it didn't exist. Interesting... Anyway, this is push polling, and is despicable. I forwarded a letter to KATU/KOIN/KGW... perhaps if everyone who got this did we could cause a bit of a ruckus(not likely) ..But it's worth a shot.


Me, Too! 19.Oct.2004 10:30

Straight, but not Narrow

I just got one of these "surveys," too. I told the recorded voice that I wasn't voting for 36 and was told that Massachusetts is "teaching homosexuality to kindergarteners." It said a teacher defended it saying "Give me a break, homosexual marriage is now legal!". The recording then asked me if I was worried about this happening in Oregon. I quite politely said no.

I have no problem with the schools discussing ALL kinds of families, even in kindergarten. This is especially appropriate to young children because families are the only context they know before going to school. It is never too early to break down the barriers of prejudice.
Don't Tell the Kid!!!
Don't Tell the Kid!!!

"confusing" the kids? 19.Oct.2004 18:05

Bulky Rhythm

I think kids are less "confused" if they learn that their non-conventional family arrangement is not some kind of inferior family. The country is full of non-conventional (i.e. not "Onemandandonewoman" constructs) families that need and deserve our respect, if not support:

Extended families living together because they cannot afford to do otherwise . . . grandparents caring for grandchildren . . . single parents of both sexes . . . same sex couples with kids . . . foster families. I hate the way this administration and the neo-cons dump on them as though they had a choice.

It's like their solution for "no child left behind." If the schools are failing, condemn the schools and teachers and transfer everyone out of them to "successful" schools. What does that do for the failing schools and the children left there who can't manage a move? Absolutely nothing.

God this 20.Oct.2004 08:29

God that

I got this nonsense on my answering machine. At the end it said it was the Parents Education Association. Here's their Voter Guide statement (and true agenda):
Measure 36 Argument in Favor
Argument in Favor

Our nation's laws are excellent teachers for young people. All laws attempt to draw a line, to say something is good, or something is not good and should be discouraged. Oregon's laws have always limited marriage to a union between one man and one woman, establishing a policy that only male-female marriage is proper.

Now, some are calling for Oregon to put its stamp of approval on same-sex marriage, a practice that God in the Bible clearly calls wrong. Obviously, this would be a significant change in public policy that would influence the values of many young people.

The proponents of same-sex marriage have used activist judges in their attack on traditional marriage. But the problem is not ultimately activist judges. If Oregonians decided that stealing was good, we would approve of judges overturning the will of the people, because God says stealing is wrong. If our culture was traditionally homosexual, we would call for overturning a tradition that is wrong.

The question is, should the State of Oregon put its stamp of approval on what God has clearly said is wrong? Right and wrong are not ultimately determined by people, but by the God who created them. Rulers are to rule in a way that pleases Jesus Christ. When they do, they act in the best interests of all people. Youth thinking about entering into same-sex intimate relationships should not be encouraged by the government, but discouraged from something that brings God's displeasure.

There is no automatic right to marry. You have to be of age, you can't marry a close relative, you can't marry more than one person at a time, and you must marry someone of the opposite sex. This is the line we have always drawn here in Oregon, and it is the right line. It pleases God and helps our youth.

Dennis Tuuri for the Parents Education Association
Box 847, Canby, OR 97013 503-263-8337 peapac.org

Tell him 20.Oct.2004 08:49

Matthew 7.1-5 sent you

Parent Education Association contact:

Dennis Tuuri
Box 847, Canby, OR 97013

How To Stop Calls From 571-522-1899 21.Oct.2004 05:30


Your telephone number ***is*** on the Federal "Do Not Call" list, right?

If not, get signed up as soon as possible, otherwise file a complaint here:  https://www.donotcall.gov/Complain/ComplainCheck.aspx

Separation 21.Oct.2004 07:14


Has anyone here ever heard of this new thing called "separation of God and State"? It's a new concept we just came up with..... If someone else justifies a law, motion, "measure", etc. with God, I'm going to have a heart attack.

This same number keeps coming up on my caller id 571-522-1899 21.Oct.2004 11:24


How come even though I am on the "DO NOT CALL" list that these type of phone calls still seem to find their way through? I wasn't here when the call came through fortunately, but it sounds like it's a good thing I wasn't. These questions they ask are rediculous. Your oppinions are private unless you choose to make them public. It's none of their business! Good luck everyone!

Seems the "Yes" vote is being coached at every turn 25.Oct.2004 04:35

Ron Rodriguez

I thought I'd "keep my enemies closer" by visiting the 'Yes on 36' website this evening.

On the 'Letters to the Editor' link of the  http://www.voteyeson36.org website, the following text appears:

" Writing the Letter

Many people would like to write a letter to the editor of their local paper, but for many, the idea of writing something to be read by a mass audience seems intimidating. If this is the case, or if you could simply use some inspiration, please contact us. We may be able to help you organize your thoughts or give you some topical direction.

Writing a letter to the editor is actually very easy. You can write about relevant state or local issues or you might want to respond to a recent article or published letter. Typically, your letter will have a better chance at being published if you reference a previous story or letter with which you may have agreed or disagreed. This isn't always the case, however.

Here are a few key points to keep in mind:

1. Letters should be between 100-150 words maximum.
2. Do not be hateful or overly aggressive, however creative sarcasm and whit is acceptable.
3. When writing a fact-based article, use facts. If you need help with this, please contact us.
4. Spell check.
5. Always begin your letter... "Dear Editor, ... "
6. Include your first and last name, address and phone number. At the very most, your name and city will be published, but the rest of the information is for their use only. (If you have questions concerns with this please contact us."


First off, I find it absolutely hilarious that they feel the need to warn the potential author of such a letter, "Do not be hateful or overly aggressive, however creative sarcasm and whit is acceptable.". What are they afraid of? I guess their experience as a previous organization called the Oregon Citizens Alliance taught them all they need to know about looking bad in front of the press. I am still trying to fathom why they would think that any mean spirited, narrow-minded bigot would be remotely capable of "creative sarcasm and whit."

Oh, and I loved this:
"When writing a fact-based article, use facts. If you need help with this, please contact us." Because the Defense of Marriage Coalition is just so thorough about presenting the "facts", so be sure to contact them if you find yourself standing in the middle of your mobile home scratching your rear in contemplation.

The fact that they are part of a larger organization based in DC is a testament to Scott Lively's persistent hate-mongering. I've been watching these goons for a while now, and I find it horrifying yet sickeningly fascinating how far veteran members of the OCA will take this issue riding on the backs of taxpayer dollars. I guess the allure of money in politics was too strong to ignore. I mean, why continue to rant and rave in your local greasy spoon, small town gas station or hunting lodge while shooting spotted owls and clear cutting old growth forests when you could move your cause to Washington DC and "Get Paid" by your mindless flock?

Be warned, folks, they will keep trying to attack us. If 36 passes, the floodgates for new legislation will be thrown wide open. There's good "blood money" to be made.

Want a number you CAN call? Try this one:

Phone: 1 (877) 203-9595
Email:  info@voteyeson36.org
Fax: (503) 257- 4834

Defense of Marriage Coalition
PO Box 30536
Portland, OR 97294

(I love the whole 'PO Box' thing. They must feel so secure.)

Definition of "Whit" according to The American Heritage Dictionary. 25.Oct.2004 05:34

Ron Rodriguez

I feel so foolish. I entirely missed the irony of the "Yes on 36" website's use of the word "whit".

According to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, the definition for "whit" is as follows:

whit (n.) The least bit, an iota: "doesn't give a whit what was said; not a whit afraid."

So, basically the 'Letter to the Editor' link on the http:www.voteyeson36.org website is coaching people to write the least amount of information possible to their local newspaper. What a novel idea. I guess someone's "creative sarcasm" at the offices of the 'Defense of Marriage Coalition' made a whit of a Freudian slip. Gotta love it.

Here's your answer to the location: 26.Oct.2004 21:19


5160 Parkstone Dr
Chantilly, VA 20151

got the 571-522-1899 on the caller ID 28.Oct.2004 18:40


At 6:28 pm 10-24-04 the phone rang twice then when my wife picked it up the line went dead. Caller ID revealed
10/28 6:28PM

Homophobe in Virginia 29.Oct.2004 08:44

Steve from Atlanta, GA

I am upset at this Nazi like opinion pushing poll. If indeed the number is owned or was traced back to www.freeeats.com, the person who purchased the web site or controls the web site is:

Joseph, Gabriel
13800 Coppermine Rd
Herndon, VA 20171-3408
703-234-5858 [fax]

Homophobe in Virginia 29.Oct.2004 08:58


More research on the number that is polling.

Don't know if anyone took note that the initial recording stated that the pollster was with the F.C.C.

This now involves fraud. I will contact the F.C.C. to see if these calls may be stopped. The phone number is a Verizon land line number. I verified this with Verizon, whose number is 800-922-0204.

Hompphobes in Virginia 29.Oct.2004 09:11


The phone number 571-522-1899 is associated with this web site:  http://www.electionresearch.com/nav.asp
13800 Coppermine Rd
Herndon, VA 20171-3408


Administrative Contact:
Joseph, Gabriel
13800 Coppermine Rd
Herndon, VA 20171-3408
703-234-5858 [fax]

Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Joseph, Gabriel
13800 Coppermine Rd
Herndon, VA 20171-3408
703-234-5858 [fax]

I say we should take some time, and *67 on our phones, so mr. joseph can't trace our call to give him our opinions.

Good Christians 29.Oct.2004 19:52

Qwerty Fly

Please do not suppress the right of Good Christians like President Bush, Reverend Falwell, and the marriage preservationists in VA to usurp and appropriate the name of God as they see fit. These are good, white, wealthy men who understand that Jesus was as menacing 2000 years ago as they are today. They speak God's will with God's voice, and until you are as Christian as they are, I'll thank you to remember your place.