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Of course american VFW whom rape pilage and burn and come home with sore heads are aganst memorials for the Dodgers, but I am all for its. We need such a memorial in Portland!!!!!!!!
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World - Canada


Canadian City Blocks Memorial to U.S. Draft Dodgers

Wed Sep 29, 7:16 PM ET World - Canada



VANCOUVER, British Columbia (Reuters) - A Canadian community has blocked plans for a controversial memorial to Americans who fled to Canada to avoid the Vietnam War and U.S. military draft, officials said on Wednesday.



Peace activists wanted to build the memorial as part of a reunion celebration scheduled for 2006 in Nelson, a small city in the mountains of southeastern British Columbia, where many of the Vietnam-era draft dodgers eventually settled.


The proposal was denounced by the U.S. Veterans of Foreign Wars, and came as the issue of service in the military during Vietnam has become an emotional flashpoint in the U.S. presidential campaign.


Nelson's council passed a special resolution on Wednesday that would requires any memorial using public funds or being built on public lands to have "widespread community support."


"The Our Way Home monument does not meet this standard," the council said in a press release.


The veterans group and other U.S. critics of the plan had asked the White House to intervene, and threatened to organize an economic boycott of the Nelson area in the Kootenay Region, which has a significant tourism industry.


The Our Way Home group had already told city officials it was willing to locate the bronze sculpture somewhere else, but still planned to hold the peace gathering in July 2006.


The group said it wanted to honor both the U.S. citizens who moved to Canada, rather than serve in a war they politically opposed, and the Canadians who helped them build lives in a new country.


It has been estimated that 125,000 Americans fled to Canada to avoid Vietnam and prosecution under U.S. law, although about half returned home after President Jimmy Carter granted amnesty in 1997.
Story update 30.Sep.2004 11:14

130,000

plus when to Canada so as not to help the Americans in their mass murder, of that about 30% only not half returned. The rest had move on, why would anyone come back.

President Jimmy Carter granted amnesty in 1997 30.Sep.2004 11:16

try again

arter wasn't res then.

Resistors vs Dodgers 30.Sep.2004 11:23

kzoo

Who wrote this posting? A Draft Dodger is someone who favors a war but not for themselves, say Dan Quale. He did everything he could to avoid serving in a war he said he supported. A Draft Resistor is someone who opposes a war and will not under any circumstance aid in its fashion, say me.

Regrettable these terms will be misused a lot in the near future.

to kzoo 30.Sep.2004 11:30

commrade

how do draft dogers relate to your proposition and your conclusion that they advocate war?

pride is a bitch 30.Sep.2004 12:43

y

The action that I have announced tonight puts the leaders of North Vietnam on notice that we will be patient in working for peace; we will be conciliatory at the conference table, but we will not be humiliated. We will not be defeated. We will not allow American men by the thousands to be killed by an enemy from privileged sanctuaries....
My fellow Americans, we live in an age of anarchy, both abroad and at home. We see mindless attacks on all the great institutions which have been created by free civilizations in the last 500 years. Even here in the United States, great universities are being systematically destroyed....
If, when the chips are down, the world's most powerful nation, the United States of America, acts like a pitiful, helpless giant, the forces of totalitarianism and anarchy will threaten free nations and free institutions throughout the world.
It is not our power but our will and character that is being tested tonight....
I have rejected all political considerations in making this decision....
Whether my party gains in November is nothing compared to the lives of 400,000 brave Americans fighting for our country and for the cause of peace and freedom in Vietnam. Whether I may be a one-term President is insignificant compared to whether by our failure to act in this crisis the United States proves itself to be unworthy to lead the forces of freedom in this critical period in world history. I would rather be a one-term President and do what I believe is right than to be a two-term President at the cost of seeing America become a second rate power and to see this Nation accept the first defeat in its proud 190-year history....


 http://vietnam.vassar.edu/doc15.html
SOURCE: Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States: Richard Nixon, 1970, pp.405-409.

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commrade 30.Sep.2004 15:08

kzoo

I didn't say Draft Dogers, if you mean Dodgers the contrast is easy to follow. There were those that were not against the war in Vietnam they just did not want to tie up their time getting shot at, say for example the current resident in the WH. They had no problem having others kill for them. Then there were some of us that will never be apart of a killing machine, no matter how lean and mean it is. These indiviuals resist the simple notion of being drafted, whatever it takes not hiding in the National Guard as others did. The difference is they are against war not against just being in harms way. OK?

Phil Ochs says it best 30.Sep.2004 15:12

kzoo

G G#/A
I'm just a typical American boy from a typical American town
D7 G
I believe in God and Senator Dodd and keeping old Castro down
G# A
And when it came my time to serve I knew better dead than red
D7 G
But when I got to my old draft board, buddy, this is what I said:

G
Sarge, I'm only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen
G#/A
And I always carry a purse
D7
I got eyes like a bat, my feet are flat, and my asthma's
G
getting worse
G# A
O think of my career, my sweetheart dear, and my poor old
invalid aunt
D7
Besides, I ain't no fool, I'm a goin' to school, and I'm
G
working in a defense plant

I've got a dislocated disc and a racked up back
I'm allergic to flowers and bugs
And when the bombshell hits, I get epileptic fits
And I'm addicted to a thousand drugs
I got the weakness woes, and I can't touch my toes
I can hardly reach my knees
And if the enemy came close to me
I'd probably start to sneeze

(chorus)

I hate Chou En Lai, and I hope he dies,
but one thing you gotta see
That someone's gotta go over there
and that someone isn't me
So I wish you well, Sarge, give 'em Hell
Yeah, Kill me a thousand or so
And if you ever get a war without blood and gore
Well I'll be the first to go

(chorus)


Notes:
Chords supplied by Jim Lesses

The liner notes for this song on the album I Ain't Marching Anymore read:

In Vietnam, a 19-year-old Viet Cong soldier screams that Americans should leave his country as he is shot by a government firing squad. His American counterpart meanwhile is staying up nights thinking of ways to deceptively destroy his health, mind or virility to escape two years in a relatively comfortable army. Free enterprise strikes again.

i think i get it 30.Sep.2004 17:14

to kzoo

A draft dodger is on who evades the draft in the english dictionary. Dan Quale is an idiot not your leader.

People who refused to show deserve honoring for they show the direction of peace.


Those who showed up perpetuate war between nations that have gone on for eons. They carry the burden place on them by States that takes little to know responsibility for thier pain. They deserve pity.
The citizens that supported thier waste deserve shame and guilt.


In the wwI trenches the troops almost quite fighting and ended the war. Of course thier own governments shot thier own troops till they continued the fight. Now we got a government hiding the waste it is causing.

See you at the march-----for peace--to stop the waste
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