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Mandatory draft 6/15/05

Express your preference.
Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15, 2005, is something that
everyone should know about. This literally effects everyone since we all have
or know children that will have to go if this bill passes.

There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion bills: S89 and HR 163) which
will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005,
just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed
immediately. Details and links follow.

This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the
draft. Also, crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult.


Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . .And let your children know - - it's their future,
and they can be a powerful voice for change!

This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at this website:

< http://thomas.loc.gov/>http://thomas.loc.gov/
Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less
than two pages long.

If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for
military action. In addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within it's borders. This bill also includes the extention of military service for all those that are currently active.
If you go to the selcet service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergradates, our children and our grandchildren.

Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you feel about this legislation.

< http://www.house.gov>www.house.gov www.senate.gov

Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't telling their constituents
about these bills and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're
not covering this important story.

The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective
service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which
has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation.

Please see
< http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html>www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html
to view the Selective Service System annual performance
plan, fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070
appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves
accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

< http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp>www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp
entitled the
Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common
defense by requiring that all young persons (age
18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of
military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the
national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These
active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.
Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the
Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options.

In December, 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could
be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's
minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security
director, Tom Ridge,the declaration involves a 30 point plan which
implements, amongother things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of
people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making
the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also
eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only
be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester.
Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

What to do: Tell your friends, Contact your legislators and ask them to oppose these bills

Just type "congress" into the aol search engine and input your zip code. A list of your reps will
pop up with a way to email them directly. We can't just sit and
pretend that by ignoring it, it will go away. We must voice our
concerns and create the world we want to live in for our children and grandchildren.
Research 24.Sep.2004 10:40

got snopes

Do a little research instead of just posting crap that gets forwarded to you.


true 24.Sep.2004 12:18


got snopes, you're right about the hysteria around this issue. thing is though, this is not a DRAFT. i dont know how many times i have to say it...it is UNIVERSAL SERVICE. this bill would not make you eligible for a draft, it would REQUIRE some kind of service for 2 years. peace corps and americorps and homeland security corps would all count. the difference is huge and few seem to get it, and those that do somehow think it is a great thing since it would require "even rich kids" to serve. that is typical left wing thinking and i dont get it.

as for the reliability of snopes, that is another thing.
try:  http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
i mean, if you believe that, i cant help you...

I wouldn't dare poop paw this posting, considering 24.Sep.2004 13:46

the sorry people running this country nowdays

here is a reposting of what was written on TBR NEWS the other day...read it and THINK...

TBR NEWS- September 20, 2004

The Voice of the White House

In previous issues, we carried comments from a reporter assigned to the White House press corps. Some of these remarks, most especially one about Bush's physical and mental problems, drew an enormous number of viewers and hundreds of inquiries, most especially from foreign press entities. The reporter advised us by email that there was rampant fury in the White House and security was becoming very tight. As a result of this, he decided to lay low for a few weeks and see how the wind was blowing. Yesterday, he sent us the following material which we are now posting. Some of it is outrageous in the extreme but to date, no one has proven him wrong.

September 19, 2004: "This afternoon, while schmoozing a minor aide, I saw a copy of a Pentagon memo concerning the forthcoming draft. I could not copy this and it took me about twenty minutes, in brief segments, to read it through. The White House and the Pentagon have worked out a plan to call up all reservists and National Guard units if and when Bush is reelected. The moment that the election results are poured in concrete, orders, now drawn up and waiting, will be issued throughout the United States. I am not speaking of a few units but all US Guard and Reserve units. On the same subject, the pending Universal Draft is also a done deal. Everything is place awaiting the President's signature. This is planned for June of 2005 and contains some real shockers. Women will be called up as well as men. There will be absolutely no deferments of any kind permitted. Persons with medical problems such as diabetes, cardio-vascular disease, chronic asthma, physical deformities such as a club foot or hunch back, vision problems, etc. will be called up! If a draftee has a medical problem but can move around, they are subject to the draft but will be assigned to non-military positions such as clerk-typists, maintenance positions and so on. There will be absolutely no deferments for someone with a family to support or who is enrolled in any kind of a school. Students may be permitted to complete their semester and will then be compelled to report at once to their nearest enlistment center. For example, as I read it, an 18 year old girl with two children and no husband to support her will be subject to the draft. There was a discussion about what to do with the children and if the family cannot raise them during the draftee's tour of duty, then some kind of Federal Child Care center will have to suffice. The nominal ages covered are from 18 through 26 but a special exception is now in the orders for anyone with what the Army calls "technical skills" such as proficiency in computers, foreign language skills and so on. These poor jerks are subject to the draft until they are 35! Again, no deferments will be allowed unless the subject is already working for a government agency and is certified by his superiors as "vital" to whatever "war effort" the Army deems important. These orders, note, came from the desk of George W. Bush to Rumsfeld but Bush will cite a vague"national crisis" to cover his useless ass. The top brass at the Pentagon are having fits about this. Why? Because for decades they have been downsizing, closing bases and so on. I have been told by Pentagon people that they would have no place to put the anticipated great flood of draftees if and when the draft is activated. One said to me, "Where the fuck do these dimbulbs expect us to house them? In local hotels?"

Comment: Because the subject of a universal draft is Bush's political Achilles Heel, the Administration and various governmental agencies have gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal it from the public. Nevertheless, anyone with a computer and basic skills can locate information on the upcoming draft by looking at dozens of official government sites. Admittedly, these sites are so buried in the official underbrush as to be difficult to locate, nevertheless, they are there. We have included an anti-draft article in this posting. If America's cannon fodder do not want end up dead or mangled for life, it would be to their advantage to read these sites, organize and in November, vote en bloc against the man who would cheerfully dump them into the Imperial sausage grinder. Because Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all went to great pains to avoid any kind of military service during the Vietnamese war, their present macho militancy stinks and shines like a dead mackerel in the moonlight.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector

a draft would be a good thing 24.Sep.2004 15:07

about to be 27

send off all the young arrogant and emotionally devoid youth of america to get killed, wounded and crazified by insurgency, while in the meantime raising enough fear and hysteria to cause america's eventual leaving of Iraq. I for one support the draft.

Then go enlist! 24.Sep.2004 18:29

Dad of a 21 year old

Hey 27 year old, I think your support of military consciption is a brave and heroic position to take. So please, don't wait for the draft, get yer butt over to the nearest recruting office and enlist. The military is always looking for people with no fucking brains and you certainly seem to fit the bill... Good luck, we are all counting on you to defend your nation in the desert of Iraq.

Snopes investigation on miltary draft CONCLUSION 25.Sep.2004 06:57

T. Jefferson

The conclusion of the Snopes investigation of this report tells itr all. Here it is:

This is the last paragraph of the Snopes report--

"There is as yet no definitive answer to the question of whether or not the U.S. will reinstitute a draft. Obviously some thought has been given to the issue, but the possibility that such thoughts will be turned into reality appears rather small at this point. Still, conditions and attitudes can change very quickly another event of the magnitude of the September 11 attacks could prompt some rapid shifts in government policy and public opinion."

Hey, I'm not gonna sit back and wait for the next event that give the NEO-CONS the rationale to ask my two kids to fight for their cause! Don't you get it! The writing is on the wall and if we don't pay attention to it now a discreet lttle shift of public opinion and political spin can become a full blown draft in a heartbeat. DON'T BACKBURNER THIS. We can look forward to a country sunk to the level of defensiviness the ISRAEL. Isreal could not be the belligerant little shit of a country that is is without it's required national service (miltary). Is Israel our role model??

NATIONAL SERVICE 25.Sep.2004 09:21


Regardless of the state of things in Iraq, mandatory service is a cornerstone of any fascist movement trying to establish itself. The reason being the opportunity it provides to movement for psychological conditioning to accept authritarianism and government. The Armed Forces have long been such a form of psychological moulding. Much for good reason, but notice the almost automatic support servicemen have for Republican rhetoric. Bush was a draft dodger, Kerry served in combat and caught shrapnel, yet support among the military remains very right. That has lessened considerably over the last year, due to Bush's disregard for military leadership and the debacle this war has become, but the point remains.

Bushshit 15.Oct.2004 18:40

Jim Murphy surfmurf@surfmurf.net

This ploy is serious to every American who values Freedom. "Service" such as Peace Corp etc will be reserved for the affluent (Think President Bush's Miltary service record) and you have it. Soldiers are far cheaper to protect the oil fields, i mean battle terrorism, than private companies. Remember who's watch 9-11 occurred on. Bush says it will be an all volunteer miltary. Heis plan is to do nothing and let the Reublican congress do it for him, akin to being agains a ban on automatic weapons. He says he's against the ban beig lifted but does absolutely nothing to counteract it and viola you ave what the gun lobby wants. This guy decieved America and the media has no investgative sense to look into what he's saying and doing. If Nixon were in the white house and watergate occurred today you would never hear about it. Bush has a free ride. He's a liar and the apple (George W.) fell from the same tree as "Read My Lips. No New Taxes" Only thing is the old man was a far better liar.