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Government tower collapse theory is nonsense

The WTC towers could not have collapsed at a free fall rate without some help. This is easy to prove with a simple thought experiment and some easy mathematics.
Here is the proof. First you know that an object will drop at the rate of 1/2 g t^2. The tower is 1350 feet high so an object would fall from the top in ((2*1350)/32)^.5 = 9.18 seconds. There is general agreement that the towers collapsed in less than 10 seconds.

The same result can be reached by a different method. In the following computer program, the time for each foot of the fall is calculated and added together to find the total collapse time.

FOR H=0 TO 1350 :REM distance to ground zero
T=(-V+(V^2+64)^.5)/32 :REM time taken to fall one foot
TIME=TIME+T :REM total time to reach ground zero
V=(V+32*T) :REM velocity in feet/sec
M=M+1 :REM mass
NEXT H :REM loop back
PRINT TIME :REM print total time

run

9.187994 Seconds

Note that the times match nicely. We know the program works.

Now a thought experiment. If the tower is collapsing, one floor hitting the next, the fall will be slowed due to the conservation of momentum. A moving mass is striking a stationary mass. The speed must be less than free fall, but by how much?

We modify the program to account for this accumulating mass. Let's say each story has a mass of M. We do not need to know the actual figure for mass because the units cancel out. Velocity V is multiplied by the moving mass and divided by the stationary mass.

M/(M+1)

FOR H=0 TO 1350 :REM distance to ground zero
T=(-V+(V^2+64)^.5)/32 :REM time taken to fall one foot
TIME=TIME+T :REM total time to reach ground zero
V=(V+32*T)*M/(M+1) :REM velocity in feet/sec
M=M+1 :REM mass
NEXT H :REM loop back
PRINT TIME :REM print total time

run

15.8823 Seconds

It would take almost 16 seconds to reach the ground given that the fall started at the top. But this model is incomplete because it does not include the resistance of crushing the steel and concrete. The energy needed to destroy the building would have slowed the fall much more.

These calculations are simplistic and do not take into account all variables, but they do help quantify what common sense tells us, that steel building cannot collapse at free fall rates without demolition. Government collapse theories overlook these physical realities and are nonsense.

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Why physics majors canít score with chicks.. 11.Sep.2004 18:29

good god...

Look, all of this makes perfect sense if you are trying to ace your weekly physics 102 quiz, but it makes little sense from a real world prospective.

So it seems we either have a missing 5 seconds in time, or the buildings fell apart 5 seconds too fast, correct?

Keep in mind the planes didn't hit the top floors of each building they hit about 2/3s of the way up. So you don't have one floor collapsing on top of another, you have about 25 floors collapsing on top of on floor at a time. This means that the conservation of momentum was minimal or greatly reduced.

Your not going to find an answer to 9-11 in a math book., but good try eggbert.

No, CS. 11.Sep.2004 22:15

good god..

Not a liberal arts major. Sorry, I foresaw the desire to have a family and an house, and knowing they would be hungry I knew that family, house and food cost money, so I chose wisely and avoided liberal arts because I didn't want to work at a coffee shop after receiving my masters..

Since we are in the mood for critique, lets have a look at your code shall we.

I noticed you chose to write it in BASIC, and Not C++. This is quite revealing. If you have chosen FORTRAN, I would assume you would be old enough to know better than to assume that secret bush agents planted charges on all floors of both towers so they would drop 5.897 seconds faster than they normally would have.

If you had chosen C++, you would have shown us that us that you had more skill in computers than you do, but not anymore common sense.

I tutored dozens of sophomore engineering students like you remedial programming in college. No indentation, you don't use tic marks for your comments, one char variables, its amateur night in the old dorm room huh?

If there is any ignorance in this thread, its not because of bad science, or software design, its because of rotten judgment..

Rubble Falling Through Towers Encountered No More Resistance Than Air 11.Sep.2004 22:15

repost

Rubble Falling Through Towers Encountered No More Resistance Than Air

Given the mushrooming of the tops, most of the mass fell outside the footprint of the building.

* An object in a vacuum would take 9.2 seconds to fall from the towers' height.
* It took the rubble from the towers' tops about 13-16 seconds to reach the ground, both inside and outside of the tower's footprint.
* Air resistance was the only thing slowing the descent of the rubble outside the footprint.
* 1000 vertical feet of intact vertical structure would have been slowing the rubble inside the footprint, barring demolition.

Since a steel structure should have provided hundreds, if not thousands, of times the resistance of air, it must have been demolished ahead of the falling mass.
 http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/freefall.html

Good Job 11.Sep.2004 23:04

constraining models

Its intriging to consider the model time with the tower collapse but I missed the point of blowing up the towers after they were hit by planes. And why the government is your suspect.

A sideline note as to what caused tower seven to go down is interesting to consider.

Has anybody heared of the 747 that hit the pentagon but left no evidence
of itself.

What is the difference between knowing and beliving? What should be a standard of proof?

Question For Everyone Reading This 11.Sep.2004 23:05

:

from which laboratory was the anthrax strain used in the September 2001 letters to Democratic Congressional leaders and mass media outlets sourced?

Interesting 11.Sep.2004 23:09

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"good god" criticizes trivia like indentation
(failing to note that the web-site engine here removes indentation)
but he says nothing at all about the mathematical model
(except that he doesn't like the conclusion).

how did Shakespeare put it? 12.Sep.2004 01:59

"first thing we do, let's ____ ___ ___ _______"

"Look, all of this makes perfect sense if you are trying to ace your weekly physics 102 quiz, but it makes little sense from a real world prospective. ... Your not going to find an answer to 9-11 in a math book., but good try eggbert."

If the numbers don't work, the model is wrong. You might not find the right answer, but you can eliminate the wrong answers.

The official story is one of the wrong answers. It doesn't matter how many lawyers, judges, and politicians sign off on a lie, it doesn't become the truth.

1+1+1=Larry Silverstein 12.Sep.2004 07:13

9-11 payoff

One curious question how does engineering and physics explain the collapse of building seven. How does one explain the unscathed buildings in between the twin towers and building seven?

Oh, I know, those other buildings were not owned and insured by Larry Silverstein.

Florida Anthrax Hit on American Media (AMI) Explained 12.Sep.2004 11:24

click link

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297234.shtml

"George W. Bush's homosexual relationship, since about puberty, with Victor Ashe, long-time Mayor of Knoxville. [Both of them are from the same cohort of Skull and Bones.] When some in Congress began inquiries in the fall of 2003, Ashe in December, 2003, gave up being Knoxville Mayor and was appointed by George W. Bush, the occupant and resident of the White House, as the U.S. Ambassador to Poland. That is, getting Ashe out of the U.S. jurisdiction, not available to nosey Congressmen.

Bush and Ashe are both members of the satanic cult, "Skull & Bones", headquartered in a windowless building,called "The Tomb" on the campus of Yale University. Part of the initiation procedure is for the new proposed member to divulge his entire sexual history, to several other Bonesmen, so that when he is shoved up into high office, government, finance, etc., he can be blackmailed into silence. The new member has to cavort, au naturel, sometimes more than once, with another Bonesman in a double-size coffin filled with mud. An older Bonesman member has to also participate in such proceedings. This was done by John F. Kerry slightly older than George W. Bush. the secret pictures of this, reportedly ended up in the possession of the picture editor of a group of magazines run by American Media, Inc., AMI, headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida. That editor was Bob Stevens. Being of near-sighted vision, he took off his glasses and he opened up an envelope addressed to him, holding it close up to his face, breathing thus in spores of anthrax,..."

Cutter Charges In Building 7 12.Sep.2004 11:28

controlled collapse of WTC 7


Fred Bauer is in good company 12.Mar.2006 00:59

Jim

Physicist Steven Jones of BYU reaches the same conclusion, the Twin Towers and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolition:

 http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
By Steven E. Jones

Department of Physics and Astronomy
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602

possible error in 2nd program 12.Mar.2006 01:42

Jim

Your calculation for conservation of momentum looks wrong because it's not initialized properly. The first time through the loop you should multiply the velocity by 1, then 1/2, then 2/3, etc. If M is initially zero in your program, you are multiplying it by 0, then 1/2, then 2/3, etc.