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CBS Bu$h-whacked by RNC hoax docs?

Is this a pentagon/RNC COINTELPRO JOB?

"Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter. "

"The White House is declining to comment on the veracity of the documents. Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November. "
False Documentation?
Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service


Sept. 9, 2004 — Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.

Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.

"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."

First reported by CBS's 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.

Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."

Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.

"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man ... was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Experts Question Veracity

Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter.

The memos are dated 1972 and 1973, when computers with word-processing software were not available.

More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

"These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973," said Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication. "The cumulative evidence that's available ... indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter:"

Among the points Flynn and other experts noted:

The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.
The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.
The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.
The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas — the bible of fonts — does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.
The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers

The White House is declining to comment on the veracity of the documents. Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November.

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CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION 09.Sep.2004 20:51

drudge

CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED

CBS NEWS executives have launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.

The source, who asked not to be named, described CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather as being privately "shell-shocked" by the increasingly likelihood that the documents in question were fraudulent.

Rather, who anchored the segment presenting new information on the president's military service, will personally correct the record on-air, if need be, the source explained from New York.

Theory. 09.Sep.2004 21:06

hj

So Bu$h has his buddies in the pentagon give phony records to CBS that makes Bush look like a shit-head, then a day after CBS parades the records on 60 minutes II for all to see, experts are called in to show that the records were made using Microsoft Windows and not an old 1960s Typewriter.

This makes CBS look like a bunch of unreliable amateur dildos with an axe to grind, and makes any future legit docs look suspect as well.

You would think that Rather and gang would have enough sense not to be used like this...

The BIG QUESTION IS: 09.Sep.2004 21:39

why

is this entire pResidential campaign's mass media coverage dominated entirely by tit-for-tat subterfugte irrelevancies about the two elite candidate's Vietnam-era service?

and THE ANSWER:

BECAUSE SKULL & BONES WANTS YOUR 2004 pRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN COVERAGE TO BE THAT WAY.
any way you slice it - You STILL GET Skull & Bones.
any way you slice it - You STILL GET Skull & Bones.

re: Theory 09.Sep.2004 21:39

Tom

Rather and his crew are paid to be stooges.

Nothing in the corporate media can be believed. If they say the sun is shining, be sure to look out the window.

subterfugte irrelevancies 09.Sep.2004 21:48

100% correct

you are 100% correct about that.

the media is quite content talking 24/7 about nothing.

did kerry shoot himself in the ass in vietnam?
did bush snort coke at an air guard meeting?
did kerry have a botox treatment last week?
did bush not fly enough to keep his flight status up in 1971?
did kerry recomend himself for his silver star?
did bush have a gay lover in college?


what a crock of shit.

no, not "a crock of shit." 09.Sep.2004 21:59

why

it's a crock of SKULL & BONES.

[p.s. my typo - it's actually subter_f_u_g_e]

A page from the Karl Rove playbook. 09.Sep.2004 22:09

dailygrind dailygrind@emailaccount.com

This is a double whammy against the supposedly "liberal-biased" media (who clearly oh, so HATE the vaunted Boy King) and Dubya's critics. The CBS documents were vetted and given the thumb's up by a knowing White House, allowed to reach the air, and will be quickly smacked down as a "desperate ploy by Kerry supporters" to defame the honor of our godlike commander-in-chief. The wingers are already salivating and you can bet that this bullshit will overshadow ALL other issues in the months ahead. Hopefully a) Roveco overshot the mark and this forgery issue will sway NO ONE as this country is so wildly polarized and b) CBSNEWS, if they aren't in cahoots, will be so incensed at being used that they'll do their jobs as journalists and track down this story to Rove's doorstep.

Then again, the cries of "forgery" may be a mere distraction.. but what could possibly be more damaging than FORGED documents featuring Bush's TRUE Air National Guard record?

Its typical Texas politics. 09.Sep.2004 22:31

Blood Sport

When I lived in Texas, the politicians down there did this kind of shit all the time. Its considered sport down there.

Since Dan Rather is from the Houston area I would expect more from him and not to fall for something as blatant as this.

This is the first "real" campaign that Kerry has ever been in.
Lets face it, how hard is it for Kerry to win in Massachusetts? He had some sort of love fest with Bill Weld in 1996 that the media called the most polite race in the country.

He is now pitted against a group of very crafty bastards who will take pleasure in disemboweling him in front of a national audience.

They aren't looking just for a presidential victory, they want to claim they have a mandate for the next 4 years.

Kerry had better flush out his head gear and buckle down hard and fast if he wants to pull this thing off. He's got another 55 days until its all over...

60 minutes producer blames Kerry campaign as source for docs! 10.Sep.2004 05:48

found this on the web.

Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."


Full Story...


Washington Prowler
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Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM


More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."

The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.

According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."

A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.

"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."

The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.

Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."

ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.

According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.



 http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7096

ABC news thinks both Kerry, DNC and CBS were tricked by Karl Rove! 10.Sep.2004 05:54

read the last paragraph

"60 minutes producer blames Kerry campaign as source for docs!"

read the last paragraph. ABC must read this website...

ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.

According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.

justella 10.Sep.2004 10:39

Bush wins when ANYONE lies, (Including his own.)

When the Swift Boat guy lied about Kerry, it was a boost for Bush's campaign> Now, possible forgeries about BUsh are expected boost the BUsh campaign. That guy can do no wrong! Except of course for Iraq, the economy, etc...

Mrs. Connell Should Shut Her Big Fat Yap 10.Sep.2004 14:55

Cadre

If someone were truly trying to pass off fakes, they would use a machine that was contemporary to the time the letters were written. It's been stated that a variable letter machine was available at the time and just because the National Guard did not routinely buy or use them doesn't mean that Connell himself might not have had one either at work or at home.

The only other explanation would be that the letters were *supposed* to be detected as fake. And if that were so, I cannot believe that no one at CBS detected discrepencies before the program aired.

Why anyone should believe the angry cluckings of Connell's wife is beyond me. How many career military men in sensitive positions and handling confidential personnel records go home and spill their guts to their wives about what's going on in the Guard . . . about one guardsman in particular? Dubya served in the Texas National Guard for such a limited amount of time, it is unlikely that Connell would gush about him at home or even continue to express an opinion after Bush passed on to another State's Guard unit. Not keep files or make notes? What on earth is she talking about? He worked on a base in an office. In any case, whatever she may speculate is only hearsay.

Dead Witnesses 10.Sep.2004 21:43

Anarchy-nonymous

The two most dangerous witnesses to Bush's Career died in their early 50's about the time Bush's political ambitions took off. Joining them were the woman who claimed Bush raped her and the author of Prodigal Son, which exposed Bush's alcohol and cocaine abuse. If those stories were effectively suppressed, I'm sure the Republicans stand a good chance of suppressing this news, and misleading enough people to vote Republican that vote-spoilage and ballot controversies will be enough to throw the election their way. Kerry needs a good seven point victory across the board to just even the odds.

That our government has become this corrupt is just sad. Like John Quincy Adams predicted, materialism and greed have possessed American society to such an extent that it will soon be our downfall, just as it was for Prussia, Austio-Hungary, etc. WWII and Vietnam were nothing compare to the carnage of the coming world war, which will only find precedent in the mechanized slaughter of WWI which claimed the lives of 20 million people.

two points 10.Sep.2004 22:35

Skeptic

1. Why expect the staff at a news organization to be capable of vetting documents? That's the province of professional forensic documents examiners, not TV producers.

2. Are any of the experts who are already bloviating examining the originals? An "expert opinion" based on a copy, unless there are egregious faults in the original, isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

So why??? 11.Sep.2004 15:42

Carmelita Mock

So why is CBS hiding the originals?
Where did they get them, why don´t they reveal their source, what are they hiding?

Or is CBS the source of the documents, made up by themselves to create news,improve?

How can CBS have any credibility on any "news" they report if they don´t let some outside source check out the documents?

Truth in the press!
We complain about the govt. not being honest, what about the press????