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Do Illuminati Lizards Rule? - David Icke's Case

Here is a proposal for everyone to consider: To address this situation and take the action necessary to expose what is possibly going on BEHIND THE SCENES , be it Reptilians or whatever. One major way to quickly find the TRUTH is for the people to use a billion dollars of their own government tax dollars to set up a special Citizens Committee of intelligent UNCONNECTED individuals {no one who was or is a government official or connected lawyers or executives of large corporations etc.} to form a special panel and go INSIDE the government of the U.S.A and INSIDE the governments of every European Nation, INSIDE the British Royal House of Windsor and the British Parliament, INSIDE the Vatican, INSIDE all the secret groups connected to the Illuminati, INSIDE the boardrooms of the Fortune 500 Corporations, INSIDE the House of Rothschild and the Rockefellers, Morgans, Ford's, Duponts, Carnegies, Bushs etc. etc. By being given the power to go INSIDE these groups, businesses and organizations, this Committee could ask the questions that would enable them to see and observe first hand exactly WHAT IS GOING ON.
Do Illuminati Lizards Rule? - David Icke's Case
By Michael Shore
For those who don't want to read the books, though want to know what he says and how he argues it.

One of Rense.com's widely-read contributors is author and lecturer, David Icke. In his books, David writes about the Illuminati and all their connected secret groups and how they are the ones manipulating world events for their benefit. Who are the super rich "elite" Illuminati and their associates? The Queen of England, her husband Prince Philip and the Royal House of Windsor, the hierarchy on the board of directors of the Vatican, including the Pope; the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans,Duponts, Fords, Carnegies,Melons,Bush's etc. You can read all the amazing facts and details in David's books, ...AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE and THE BIGGEST SECRET. After reading these books, one will be more able to see the global manipulation that is taking place on a daily basis. One will be able to see how this evil group manipulates humanity to fight wars in order for them to benefit financially and control the masses of the over 6 billion human beings on this planet. War or the threat of war on a never ending basis is the main way they keep the people in FEAR, so the FEW CAN CONTROL THE MASSES! As David points out in his books, in order for the Illuminati to achieve their horrible insane agenda,.this sick group and the bankers within the group FINANCE AND SUPPORT BOTH SIDES in all the major wars that have been waged or are currently being fought on this Planet. They really have no compassion for human life, and do not care how many millions or quite possibly billions of human beings they have to kill to achieve their end result, whatever their desired result is. They don't care if you're black or white or Christian, Muslim or Jewish, Democrat or Republican, whether you're American, Chinese, Afghani, European, Iraqi, Israeli, Palestinian etc. or whoever. TO THE ILLUMINATI HUMANS ARE NO MORE THAN CATTLE TO BE SLAUGHTERED, IF NEED BE.

David explains how they created organized religions, science, schools and colleges and other educational systems and the militaries all over the world to be used to control human minds. They created the paper money and credit system, which David explains is one of the greatest SCAMS & CONS of all times, and a major means they use to control Nations and individuals. Through their financial web around the world, they control the banks and the money, and the Fortune 500 corporations, through which they control over 80% of all the wealth in the world! They control every major media outlet in television, radio, newspapers, magazines, movies, books, music etc., through no more then 12 huge major multi-national media conglomerates. This is their main way for this sinister group to suppress the TRUTH of their evil deeds from ever coming out.

The Illuminati CHOOSE and maneuver into office the Presidents, Prime Ministers, Senators, Congressmen, Parliament members, dictators, and every other KEY government official in every government in every Nation. As David Icke says "Democracy is imprisonment disguised as freedom". Elections in so-called "democratic" Nations are a charade and an act for the benefit of letting the people think and believe that there are free elections. When in reality there are only two major Illuminati controlled political parties to choose from in "democratic" Nations. Plus it costs so many millions of dollars to run in an "election" that no viable "outsider" candidate has the money or any major chance to be elected. If in the course of events an "outsider" somehow does get elected somewhere and if he/she do not do what they are told, he/she is immediately disposed of in some Illuminati arranged assasination, accident or suicide, or in a smear campaign in their corporate controlled media, Dictatorships are even easier for them to use to control a Nation, since you only need coup after coup after coup to install just one man/woman into the leadership position. Rather than go into all the details, read David Icke's books < link to www.davidicke.com

Now that you have a little back round of the Illuminati, let's look at the other "STRANGE" possibility that David writes about in his books. What you are about to read sounds so fantastic, that it may be almost impossible for one to believe. The Illuminati would not even want you to THINK FOR YOURSELF of the possibility that such a group IS real and actually exists!. So as you consider all of this, keep an open mind and at least be open that what you are about to read may be a possibility.

David talks about a small group that has ruled this planet for thousands of years and have passed on their "rule" from generation to generation through their bloodline. The "rulers" have maintained this bloodline through the intermarriages of the so-called Royal Family monarchies over the course of thousands of years. The so-called "Eastern Establishment" in the U.S.A.. and the "European and British Establishment" also intermarry in the same way to maintain their bloodline. David points out that ALL 43 PRESIDENTS IN THE U.S.A. ARE RELATED and that 33 of the Presidents can be traced back to the bloodline of Charlemagne! This possible TRUTH alone should be sending off MAJOR ALARM BELLS in your mind. Like this is no coincidence; the odds of this randomly happening are billions to one.

David calls the few "ruling elite" at the top of the pyramid REPTILIANS! David sounds sometimes reluctant to talk about the Reptilians and for good reason; most people would think he is nuts and talking like this could negate and cause people to not take his other writing seriously. David's theory is that possibly several thousand years ago "non- humans" came to this planet and mated with the beings on planet Earth. Because of their superior knowledge, they were able to expand their "rule" and control this planet to this day. They maintained their special bloodline for these thousands of years through intermarrying amongst themselves. David says they can"shape-shift" to be able to look like human beings and at the same time they can look like Reptilians when they're privately out of the view of the public. David explains that this group of Reptilians supposedly set up all the organized religions, monarchies, school systems, science, all the media and everything else they needed to control the MASSES OF HUMANITY over thousands of years.

David goes into details about this group being Satanic and performing human ritual sacrifice throughout the course of history and currently "underground" on a large scale to this very day! Just ask yourself the question "where have all the "missing children" all over the world "disappeared" to?" This is a horrendous question to confront, but the possible answers to this question is so important to face up to, if we are to look at the possibility that a very evil group is actually performing human sacrifice in this world today on a large scale too sick to imagine! Only the answers to such a question can allow us to stop them., if this is REALLY happening. You may find yourself saying "how could this group be getting away with mass murder and insane atrocities such as these?" One possible answer is that If you control ALL the major mass media, it can be possible to suppress even this hideous possible TRUTH. Anyone even raising such a question is shown in the media to be just "another one of those crazy conspiracy nuts". But before passing judgment and dismissing such an "unbelievable" possibility, at least let's have a major serious investigation of "where have all the disappearing children gone?". If you remember the problem was so great in the U.S.A. that the faces of thousands of "missing children" were put on milk cartons all across the Nation! And yet no President nor anyone in the U.S. government has ever called for a major serious investigation of this out of control potential "mass murder of children" problem. WHY? David addresses this issue in his books.

Any knowledge that could help humanity "break out of the Illuminati created prison" on planet Earth has been withheld and suppressed, which allows this group to maintain their control. Can you imagine what it would be like if what David is saying is TRUE? If humanity had the knowledge this group withholds from human beings, and if this knowledge was used for the GOOD OF HUMANITY, what a wonderful world this could be!We could go on and on here, so please just take the time to read David's books for all the details.

Lately there have been several key developments that need questioning and answers.The Space Station has been continually in the process of being built now for probably 20 or so years. Right now it appears to have turned into a large "coalition project" of the US, Russia, Europe, Japan and maybe others. Just how big the Space Station will eventually be or what is the ultimate goal of the space station is not told to The People, nor talked about in the media. But it seems like a lot of work is going on "up there". Plus you have the Mars, Venus, Saturn and other space probes working "up there" at a quickening pace. And you have many sitings of UFOs all over the world, plus all of the crop circle stuff, which are never addressed in the corporate controlled media in any serious way. Now how do all these billions of dollars being spent on the Space Station and space probes benefit the 6 billion poor human "slaves" on this planet? How is this benefiting the 30,000,000 human beings, mostly children, who die of starvation every year? There is no benefit. In fact it is robbing the "slaves" of hundreds of billions of dollars that could be used to help wipe out poverty in the U.S.A. and every other country and to prevent so many millions of humans from dieing of starvation! So one may ask "who is making the decisions as to why all this effort is being done and for what reasons and goals? Who is planning and coordinating all of this? In other words "what is going on up there and for whose benefit is all this for?"

You may find yourself wanting answers to all these questions too! The answers to these questions are of the utmost importance for every human on this planet. "We the People" have a right to know exactly what the space program is all about and the real TRUE goals of such a major endeavor.and who's benefit is all this for? It's definitely not for the benefit of you or I or our fellow 6 billion human beings. Only a few "space tourists" were allowed to fly "up there" for $20,000,000 each, a price definitely out of the reach of 99.9999999% of the human beings on this planet.

Those that are familiar with the Illuminati understand how the Illuminati work. They take small steps at a time COVERTLY so the masses won't realize what's going on, thereby diverting attention from what they're really up to. Somehow the space program fits into their plan and it would be a good idea for the 6 billion humans on this planet to investigate the agenda of the Illuminati and all their affiliated groups in regards to this. Are they really Reptilians as David says? Are they getting ready to possibly leave planet Earth after they finish destroying this Planet or most of this Planet?

Many good people write about these subjects on Rense, in books and elsewhere, and they sound frustrated and powerless to do anything about this awful situation and get rid of the Illuminati and their associates and stop this sick horrendous manipulation that is DESTROYING OUR PLANET AND HUMANITY. There is no concerted focused REAL course of action being taken on a large scale to bring this potentially "unbelievable" situation to the surface so it can be dealt with.

Here is a proposal for everyone to consider: To address this situation and take the action necessary to expose what is possibly going on BEHIND THE SCENES , be it Reptilians or whatever. One major way to quickly find the TRUTH is for the people to use a billion dollars of their own government tax dollars to set up a special Citizens Committee of intelligent UNCONNECTED individuals {no one who was or is a government official or connected lawyers or executives of large corporations etc.} to form a special panel and go INSIDE the government of the U.S.A and INSIDE the governments of every European Nation, INSIDE the British Royal House of Windsor and the British Parliament, INSIDE the Vatican, INSIDE all the secret groups connected to the Illuminati, INSIDE the boardrooms of the Fortune 500 Corporations, INSIDE the House of Rothschild and the Rockefellers, Morgans, Ford's, Duponts, Carnegies, Bushs etc. etc.

By being given the power to go INSIDE these groups, businesses and organizations, this Committee could ask the questions that would enable them to see and observe first hand exactly WHAT IS GOING ON. And if it is found that "what is going" on is TRUE according to what David Icke and others are writing about, than the People could take action to get rid of the Illuminati and all their associates.This Committee could also seriously investigate the many UFO sitings and crop circles etc. And they could investigate the Space Program and the Space Station and WHAT IS GOING ON UP THERE? If such an investigation fails to prove that anything in David Icke's books or the books of so many others, who have written in relation to these subjects, is TRUE, SO BE IT! At least "WE THE PEOPLE" will hopefully know the TRUTH. If we do not take some form of peaceful action in this direction, we can expect more millions and possibly billions of our fellow human beings to be killed in Illuminati generated wars we cannot even begin to imagine!

So what are you going to do to help SAVE OUR WORLD and cure this sick reality that "possibly" the Illuminati and their associates in crime are forcing us to live in? Most people just throw up their hands and say"well what can I do about this?", which is exactly the reaction the Illuminati want you to have. They don't want the People to believe they have ANY power. They know that there is only a few of them and there are OVER SIX BILLION OF US! They know if we ever figure out and are able to SEE THE ILLUMINATI "MAGIC"MANIPULATION THEN THEIR GAME IS UP. THEY ARE FINISHED AND WE CAN GET RID OF THEM ONCE AND FOR ALL. So don't just sit there, get up off your chair and START THINKING FOR YOURSELF AND DO SOMETHING.

One of the easiest things you can do immediately is to stop watching and listening and believing the news propaganda on the Illuminati controlled T.V. and radio. Stop buying and reading the news propaganda in the Illuminati controlled corporate newspapers and magazines. Get your news information on alternative news sites on the Internet, like < http://www.rense.com/>www.rense.com , while the FREE Internet still exists. Tell your family and friends to do the same thing and ask them to tell everyone they know to do the same. It is of the utmost importance for each one of us to take some course of action if we are to get out of the extraordinary Illuminati "mind control" of human beings that David writes about in his books. Another simple thing you can do immediately is to buy a copy of David Ickes books.....AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE and THE BIGGEST SECRET and read them thoroughly. After you finish reading the David Icke books, you will be able to see the manipulation that takes place in the news on a daily basis.You will see what is going on in this world differently. {Just to let you know, I have never met David Icke yet, and David has not told me to recommend that people should buy his books}.

Then either buy copies David's books and give them to all your relatives and friends, or tell them to buy a copy for themselves. After reading David's books, if you think you are convinced that what David is saying is TRUE or possibly true, then start telling everyone around you and everyone you meet what you've learned, and tell them to read his books too. In other words if you tell your friends and they tell their friends, who tell their friends, we can quickly get the WORD out to millions of our fellow human beings in a matter of days, weeks, months or hopefully within a year>>>time is running out fast! If a few million human beings unite and organize themselves to expose the Illuminati for who they possibly are, then their demise is imminent.and they know this and will do everything in their power to try to stop this from happening. What they are capable of is pretty freaky, but unless immediate action is taken, humanity is quite possibly doomed! If you value your life and the lives of your children, family and the lives of your fellow human beings than it is suggested that you consider what is being written here and get involved. It really is our only hope. EACH ONE OF US MUST GET INVOLVED NOW.

Hopefully, you may find yourself thinking that a one billion dollar investment to help save humanity and planet earth is a cheap price to pay.

Can you imagine what it would be like in OUR WORLD, if this manipulation was EXPOSED AND STOPPED, and how this would BENEFIT HUMANITY IN SO MANY WONDERFUL WAYS? Can you visualize living in a world of PEACE instead of a world of ILLUMINATI GENERATED WARS?


Michael Shore


Tales from the Time Loop: The Most Comprehensive Expos of the Global Conspiracy Ever Written and All You Need to Know to Be Truly Free -- by David Icke
 link to www.amazon.com

The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World
by David Icke
 link to www.amazon.com

 link to www.amazon.com

film, Length: 180 minutes

Description: These two tapes contain the staggering story of human sacrifice and satanic rituals involving the most famous people in the world. David Icke hosts an interview with Arizona Wilder, formerly Jenifer Greene, who was programmed and trained by Joseph Mengele, the "Angel of Death" in the Nazi concentration camps, to conduct Satanic rituals for some of the most famous people in the world, including the British Royal Family. She describes how she conducted rituals in which the Queen, the Queen Mother and other members of the British Royal Family sacrificed children in satanic ceremonies. She talks of the same experiences with Henry Kissinger, George Bush, Bill Clinton, members of the Rockefeller and Rothschild families and a host of the most famous names in the United States and the United Kingdom. Your view of the world will never be the same when you hear the revelations of Arizona Wilder and their relevance to your daily life.

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Author: Springmeier's research
Date: 2004.04.21 04:36
Description: welcome to your world, already in progress...to somewhere.... and you wonder why there is endemic organized crime protected in the world, when you have these interbred elites who keep themselves above the law? Look to your inbred leadership for why the world is screwed up. IF YOU WANT AN ACTUAL DEMOCRACY, SPREAD AROUND WIDELY AND EXPOSE THEM. DEMOCRACY IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, YET TO BE BORN.

25+ American presidents related....

12 from Edward I; 3 from Henry II; 6 from French kings

...15 from the same Merovingan bloodline

agreed, believe in genetics of mini-monarchy, though more going on strategically 22.Apr.2004 20:44
. link

25+ American presidents related....

12 from Edward I; 3 from Henry II; 6 from French kings

...15 from the same Merovingan bloodline

There is nothing accidental about this kind of close concentration of state leadership and financial power. Just as there is nothing accidental about Springmeier being a political prisoner in the United States, in jail on trumped up charges for publishing this information! Read the above link, after his interview. The update on his situtation goes to 2003.

If you have evidence that it is accidental, then please post it. By the way, evidence for accident would require showing that these people were entirely unaware of (in many cases) who their maternal or fraternal grandfathers were.

Recall that George W. Bush visited Windsor Palace several times in the past several years. George H. W. Bush has a private financial bank account with the British Queen--and this is when he is supposedly a 'private' citizen presently. Plus no where is it saying they are all agreeing with ideal equanimity on policy or politics, etc., only that they are related--and likely competing with one another as well for limited power positions.

Even the blaze [/bla-zay/] and very mainstream Republican-cum-recently Independent political historian Kevin Phillips is writing about this a bit in his 2004 book_The Bush Dynasty_, and mentions some of the same links. This is public information.

There is a lot more going STRATEGICALLY that these charts fail to get into, though starting at the top and following bloodlines is a great way to start looking into it.

And there's that Cheney family! Look!

Cheney by the way have been one of the repetitive families within Skull and Bones...for over 150 years....Surely an accident you say? Ha! Current Cheney attempted to go to Yale to carry on the 150 year old tradition, though presumably he flunked out after his first year, and then went through some very high leveled sponsored positions in his 'career' in Wyoming politics.


wow 30.Aug.2004 06:41

david icke

this is geniunely the most absurd and disturbing thing i have ever read. some people are really, really crazy.

V is for Victory 30.Aug.2004 07:15


David Icke saw that 80s show V one too many times. I imagine Cheney probably eats live gerbils when no one is looking. You have to love the ultra crackpot conspiracy theories. I think David Icke and Art Bell should run for public office. (So what if Icke is English, at least he's not one of THEM.) Quick everyone! Wrap your heads in tinfoil!!!!!!!!

Fnord 30.Aug.2004 07:51

Hagbard Celine

Souds rediculously familiar

open minds 30.Aug.2004 08:39

not crazy

Thats what people said about Columbus! Your crazy, the world is flat! Just keep an open mind. Find a copy of Davids book and check his references. You will be suprised.

lizardpeople 30.Aug.2004 09:21


a sadly joke absurd joke.

david icke is a lil' bit of a nazi

actually, during Columbus' time... 30.Aug.2004 10:24


...scholars and nobles were already well-aware that the earth was round. In fact, most people at that time were aware of that fact.

David Icke goes through the most insipid contortions just to avoid any kind of class analysis. The ruling elite aren't human? Nooooo - they're superhuman shape-shifting 12-foot-tall lizard-people (duh!).

Where is Icke's evidence of any of what he says? He scavenges bits and pieces from many conspiracy theories, with nothing to suggest his frankensteined theory has any validity to it.

Check it out: Icke quotes and believes the fraudulent, anti-Jewish, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And his (as recent as 1991, when he also predicted the apocolypse within the year) belief that he is the Son of God:

A Brilliant Tactician 30.Aug.2004 11:46

Plausable Deniability

David Icke has dropped the reptile thing largely. I'm sure he is probably amused that so many take him literally. Icke has actually revealed more damaging information about the elite than most any other author. Knowing the risk in doing so, Icke choose to give himself a very large measure of plausable deniability...what I would call reverse-plausable deniability. In otherwords, he doesn't have to deny anything himself - he can let the opposition do that: "Oh, he's crazy, he talks about human beings shapeshifting in reptilians". But the more refined intellects understand what he is saying. Or in the vulgar terminology: the inability to think metaphorically is a sign of a real lame brain. Incidentally the so-called "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" where probably written by Ignatius Loyola and his Society-of-Jesus counter-reformationists.

Icke isn't using metaphors - he REALLY literally means it... 30.Aug.2004 16:52


...when he refers to reptilians, he means actual shape-shifting 12-foot-tall reptile-people. And he has not dropped the reptilian bit. He has images of reptilians on teh front page of his own official website, and still has a "reptilian archive" on that same site.

He dropped the "I am the Son of God" bit, I'll give him that (which isn't giving him much, really). And he dropped the "The world will end THIS year (1991)" bit, which is wise since the world did not, in fact, end in 1991. At least that I am aware of.

PD, I fail to see how Icke is any kind of "brilliant" tactician. By selling his tittillating Sci-Fi BS by the millions, he has surely made good money$, but he has stolen bits of legitimate anti-capitalist and anti-corporate work, then mixed it with low-rent racist scapegoating and then coated it in a made-for-TV-Sci-Fi sheen. Voila! Bestseller pie with a side of paranoid groupie entourage worship!

I quite entirely agree with you GS 31.Aug.2004 02:57


exactly the sort of thing that taints the otherwise at times extremely interesting work of people like Dan Winter.

That said I like to add a foot- .. or, if you will, tailnote:

Remember the famous painting from the middle ages that shows darkish brown colours mostly except for the eve instructing creature (human child with halo in the same colour as the sun and a piece of fruit in the tree AND in possesion of a reptilian tail!!!!)

Now compare with efforts by the likes of John Hamaker (and me in his footsteps) along with places like  http://www.nutri-tech.com.au/ and my site is peppered with a return to this SUBJECT par excellence again and again:

x 31.Aug.2004 03:27


ps to gringo: you don't too think every piece of writing great or small that has domination and deception as theme is derivative of and also preliminary to yet another version of the infamous, cause, as I said, undying 'elders' potboiler?

gasp! 31.Aug.2004 10:53


scanned from the Fortean Times magazine...
tony blair - lizard or human?
tony blair - lizard or human?

Well there you go... 23.Jun.2006 17:56

Trade Mark untied_hands@hotmail.com

Everyone who reads this must understand that THIS IS THE TRUTH!!!! If you don't believe it, have fun with first the microchip in your drivers licence, then your wrist. Sound crazy? just wait and see...just before the One World Government takes over.

If you do see clearly! Keep veering on and teaching others!!! Another good source for information is video Google search Alex Jones, and Myspace.com also has lots of truthful information.


Well there you go... 23.Jun.2006 17:57

Trade Mark untied_hands@hotmail.com

Everyone who reads this must understand that THIS IS THE TRUTH!!!! If you don't believe it, have fun with first the microchip in your drivers licence, then your wrist. Sound crazy? just wait and see...just before the One World Government takes over.

If you do see clearly! Keep veering on and teaching others!!! Another good source for information is video Google search Alex Jones, and Myspace.com also has lots of truthful information.



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is the lizard thing just too much for your feable minds to handle ? cmon dont you think there is some validity to what icke is saying IT'S not a coincidence that JIM MORRISON sang " I AM THE LIZARD KING, I CAN DO ANYTHING " He saw the real world and what it held! maybe he didnt die from a heart attack or overdose maybe he was taken out for telling truths in his music? If you simply stop and take a look around we are surround by truths and hints to reality! The lizard people are real and they do worship satan if you cant even take a step back and take a look at the all the satan symbols around us then you are a fool ! look at texaco gas its a star rather a pentagram if you look at our recycling symbol its a distorted 666 surrounding the earth!!! coincidence? i dont think so is it a coincidence that the planets and stars aling into a pentagram every 8 years i dont think so ! People its time to wake up from this state of DENIAL !! we can and have been fooled by these LIZARD people and we need to wake up come together and do something before its too late! WE've got six years people 2012 that;s when the mayan calender STOPS and for good reason its the end! OF the world i dont know but the world as WE KNOW IT that is CERTAINLY A FACT!!!!! here some reading you can do if you can JUST CONSIDER THAT ITS POSSIBLE do some research dont take my word for it LOOK IT UP YOURSELF !!! Texx Marrs, FREEMAN"S PERSPECTIVE, The prophecy club, Frank DOrrel, ALEX JONES, DON MCalvany. THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF MANY once you look up one you will find yourself on a road to discovery and will I HOPE can CONSIDER its possibility that we have been duped and brainwashed!! Turn off that program tv and do your own programing DONT let them tell you what to watch and when! we still have SOME CHOICES LEFT TO MAKE ON OUR OWN !!!! LIVE FREE BE HUMAN FIND THE TRUTH
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