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August 6- The Bombing of Hiroshima

In memory of Hiroshima
The Bombing of Hiroshima
A Watershed in the History of Violence
August 6, 1945
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And Nagasaki 04.Aug.2004 13:06

Lawrence Maushard

This is what war crimes look like.

The attached photo was taken above Nagasaki in the aftermath of the August 9, 1945 atomic bombing by a former Marine combat photographer. I interviewed the man back in 1984 living in a small town in central Illinois. I've never forgotten his story.

If you want to read the article, go to my Web site at www.maushard.net. Click on "Asia," then Nagasaki Remembered.

I post all this to help make people remember the dead and wounded of Nagasaki, too, folks we all too often gloss over in the annual commemorations of the
US-on-Japan atomic bombings.

As for the photograph, I recently received word from the Nagasaki Peace Promotion Office that the ruined building shown is the Nishinaka-machi church. They said the church was only 2.6km away from the hypo centre and lost most of its body in the fire caused by bombing.

So maybe this is what the future really looks like.

The only question might be "where again?"

NuclearBombss Not First Mass Murder of Civilians 04.Aug.2004 14:00

Jim Lockhart

An excerpt from:
Spartacus Educational
Check it out, and see that Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't the first war crimes perpetrated by the US/Britain on a massive scale

The Bombing of Dresden.
In 1941 Charles Portal of the British Air Staff advocated that entire cities and towns should be bombed. Portal claimed that this would quickly bring about the collapse of civilian morale in Germany. Air Marshall Arthur Harris agreed and when he became head of RAF Bomber Command in February 1942, he introduced a policy of area bombing (known in Germany as terror bombing) where entire cities and towns were targeted.

One tactic used by the Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force was the creation of firestorms. This was achieved by dropping incendiary bombs, filled with highly combustible chemicals such as magnesium, phosphorus or petroleum jelly (napalm), in clusters over a specific target. After the area caught fire, the air above the bombed area, become extremely hot and rose rapidly. Cold air then rushed in at ground level from the outside and people were sucked into the fire.

In 1945, Arthur Harris decided to create a firestorm in the medieval city of Dresden. He considered it a good target as it had not been attacked during the war and was virtually undefended by anti-aircraft guns. The population of the city was now far greater than the normal 650,000 due to the large numbers of refugees fleeing from the advancing Red Army.

On the 13th February 1945, 773 Avro Lancasters bombed Dresden. During the next two days the USAAF sent over 527 heavy bombers to follow up the RAF attack. Dresden was nearly totally destroyed. As a result of the firestorm it was afterwards impossible to count the number of victims. Recent research suggest that 35,000 were killed but some German sources have argued that it was over 100,000.
On the site I'm quoting, there is a photograph of some of the dead from this war crime.

This is a new site to me, and a great discovery!


War is an atrocity 04.Aug.2004 20:03

Alex

We also firestormed Tokyo.

Not that this excuses this, but the Imperial Japanese were no saints. They were as bad as the Nazis.
Read about the Rape of Nanking or what they did in Manila. I don't know whether I would've chosen to firestorm
civilian cities or not. I'm glad I didn't have to make the call. I do know I would've strung up Hirohito without a second thought.
It interests me that we defined and prosecuted "war crimes" so much more agressively in Europe.

One thing that bothers me is that a lot of modern liberals are lead by P.C. BS to make the connection
White People = Bad, Western Culture = Bad. Other people are just as bad as we are. Maybe sometimes worse. Go ahead and feel bad about
what happened in last century (and sadly seems to continue) but don't feel bad because we're American or White. Feel
bad because we're human.

Interestingly, one of the big reasons for Japanese involvement in China was a RESOURCE GRAB... See
 http://hnn.us/articles/5247.html

War has and always will be an atrocity. It will always destroy civilian lives. That's why we need to make sure we're
not lead by IDIOTs like GW Bush, who don't seem understand this.

and on 05.Aug.2004 12:15

starlight

It seems to be human nature to destroy each other. As compared to other nations and cultures, I have been inclined to think the U.S. held to higher ideals in regards to human life during the 20th century. I've always argued with myself that the U.S., as the country to drop the atomic and hydrogen bombs on another, was a weird saving grace in an act that might have been perpetrated by a nation or culture with far less regar for humanity.
That seems like convoluted logic. Humans seem to love their toys of destruction over other humans, period. They do not want to expend energy on time intensive, constructive dialogue. They do not want to pool their energy to address global problems as a first priority.
They would rather let people die of starvation in the Sudan and let them kill each other for ridiulous reasons in Iraq. The population grows....people must die to slow the growth. Destroy everything natural and beautiful in the interest of personal gratification for the elite, by the elite, in the process. That seems to be the subconscious response.

Remembering 06.Aug.2004 22:52

Sad

I saw no mention of todays aniversary of the Hiroshima bomb on any TV news networks. It' safe to say there will be no mention of Nagasaki either. I appreciate the articles and comments that have been shared on imc in regards to this human tragedy. May we never forget the victims.

peace

The Bombing of Hiroshima - A Watershed in the History of Violence 06.Aug.2013 23:16

Osho

The sixth of August can never be forgotten. That day we proved that civilization has not happened to humanity yet, that we are barbarians, that we are cannibals, that we are still animals. Darwin is wrong; the whole idea of evolution is just imagination.

Instead of believing in Darwin, I believe in the monkeys, because monkeys also have their idea: they think man has fallen -- and certainly he has fallen -- from the trees. Falling from the height, you call that evolution?

The sixth of August proved the monkeys are right, because to drop atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the ugliest thing that man has done in the whole of history. Everything else paled before it. And the wonder of wonders is that it was not needed at all. Germany had already surrendered; the Japanese forces were almost finished. Perhaps without the dropping of the atom bombs the war may have continued one week more.

That would not have been a great calamity -- people had been fighting for five years; for seven days more.... But that was the reason for dropping the atom bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, because if the war ended then you would never be able to drop the atomic weapons that you had. It was the time to make the world feel how much power and strength you had. America wanted it to be remembered that if Nagasaki and Hiroshima can disappear in smoke, then there is no problem: Moscow, New Delhi, London, Paris -- any place can be evaporated within seconds.

American was trying to prove itself the greatest power in the world. It had nothing to do with the war, they were winning. Now, dropping atom bombs on people who are already losing every day -- there cannot be any other reason.

President Truman -- and what a name he has got. Certainly he was a true-man. We should change his name to President True-monkey; that's where he belongs. Even his military experts were not willing. They told him, "It is absolutely unnecessary, the war has really ended. It is only just a week's work and Japan will surrender. Now that Germany has surrendered, Japan cannot survive; the basic power was Germany. And we are winning every day, so just wait seven days more. And if after seven days the war is not finished, you can drop atom bombs."

But he did not listen, because there was some other motivation in dropping the atom bombs. It was not to win, they were winning already. The motivation was to make it clear to the whole world that now America is by far the biggest power. And just to prove this, two big cities, throbbing with life, were just destroyed. Obviously, Japan surrendered immediately; otherwise Tokyo would go the same way as Hiroshima and Nagasaki had gone. And President True-monkey told his military experts, "See? The war is finished immediately. We don't have to wait."

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are wounds which have not healed yet. And rather than healing those wounds, America is piling up nuclear weapons. Naturally, afraid of America, Russia is doing the same; they are piling up nuclear weapons. In fact, it is now difficult to say who is more powerful, because about American things are known, how much power America has, but about Russia everything is secret. She may be more powerful, she may have more nuclear weapons. She may have new methods which are even superior.

For example, they have been trying, and perhaps they have succeeded, in creating death rays. No bomb is needed, certain rays are just directed towards the country. You will not see them, so you cannot protect yourself.

When somebody is bombing, there is time -- Russia cannot destroy the whole of America in a day, nor can America destroy Russia in a day. But death rays will kill people and nobody will be able to know what is happening.

Suddenly the death ray hits your heart, you fall dead. It is an invisible way of killing, and as far as I know, there is as yet no way found to protect people against death rays.

And because these two biggest powers in the world are continuing to create more and more destructive weapons, even small countries -- just out of fear, the whole humanity is living in fear -- countries which are starving, cannot manage even to survive, which perhaps will not be there to see the third world war at all, they are also trying to make atomic plants, nuclear plants. Their people are already dying and starving, and they are preparing death for others, knowing perfectly well that now there is no time to become in any way a great world power.

Russia and America are so far ahead that by the time you reach that point, they would have moved again, miles further ahead. Now there is no way for them to catch up. It is sheer stupidity on the part of other countries to waste their money on nuclear weapons, for the simple reason that they can never be the top power. That is impossible; they don't have the means, they don't have the time.

And it is stupid for America and Russia too, because they have already so much destructive energy in their hands that they can kill all living beings on the earth, from trees to man -- everything that breathes. They both are ready enough to destroy life seven times over. Can you see any intelligence in making more weapons? Are not these enough? A man dies only once! And you are not the begotten son of God, that after death you will be resurrected with glory, so they will have to kill you again.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki create a division in history. And now, to go on piling up more and more weapons of destruction, just out of fear.... Even India wants a nuclear plant. The difficulty is that one of the most important things needed to make nuclear weapons is uranium, and uranium is found only in Russia and America. So anybody who wants to create a nuclear plant has to depend on these two powers.

America has bigger resources for uranium, so although India deep down condemns America, it cannot declare openly that "We are not with America," because from where are they going to get the uranium? Russia has only enough for itself; otherwise Russia would have provided the uranium for India.

And the situation is absurd. When you have already enough to destroy every man seven times, then stop everything! All the energy should move to provide people with more comfort, more education, more health, more medicine. And this is so simple.

There are two kinds of people who are responsible, and on this sixth of August, those two categories should take the responsibility to see that things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happen again.

Who are these two categories? One is the politicians. They should stop -- not a semicolon, a full stop. No more money goes into making destructive things, no money goes into the service of death. And you should remember, seventy-five percent of the energy of all the nations is going into the service of death. This seventy-five percent of the energy should become available to the poor, the downtrodden. And can you imagine? Seventy-five percent of the finances, if released from the service of death, can make this earth a paradise.

This sixth of August.... The second category is that of priests of all religions, who are teaching people that birth control is against God, that abortion is a crime, is a sin. These are the people who are helping the population grow faster and faster. They all should be in prison. Leaving them out is leaving ferocious animals without chains in the society. They go on helping the population to grow, and the population goes on creating more poverty.

For thirty years I have been continuously teaching that the pill is the greatest revolution after the discovery of fire. Nothing else in between is of any importance. Birth control is your birthright. It is up to you to decide, because there is no God who is deciding. You have to take the responsibility upon yourself.

We are in our own ways trying to raise the consciousness around the world to prevent the politicians from creating more destructive weapons. And whatever nuclear energy, atomic energy, is available should be used for creative purposes. The same energy can bring clouds over Ethiopia; the same energy can stop floods in India. Energy is always neutral. It depends on you for what purpose you are going to use it.

The politicians are responsible -- and the religious leaders. I am not responsible at all, because for thirty years I have been teaching in favor of birth control, the pill and other methods. And I have been teaching against atomic energy. But if people don't listen then it is their responsibility.

If India dies, it is not my responsibility. They should hang their priests who are responsible for poverty in India. They should tell their politicians, "We don't need nuclear plants." India is dying, half of India is starving, and the wheat is being exported, because only by exporting wheat and other things which their own people need, can India arrange finances enough to make nuclear plants.

These politicians should be forced: "Either stop all efforts for war, or get down from your seats. We will find other presidents, other prime ministers."

The sixth of August should be a day of declaration against the politicians and the priests.

Osho, From False to the Truth, Chapter 32

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