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Clinton was just on Letterman ...

Dubya sure is lucky Clinton's not allowed to run again.
None other than former Emperor Bill Clinton was just on David Letterman this evening. He's a scam artist and a war criminal and all that, of course, but somehow I was SURPRISED to see him speaking without a script, in complete sentences, and making some sort of sense.

After four years of Dubya, I guess I'd forgotten that you don't actually HAVE to be a brain-damaged, illiterate, inarticulate fucking MORON to get elected President. Like, despite the examples of the last three Republicans in the big chair, it's not actually a requirement of the job.

It reminded me what an awesome accomplishment it was for Gore to actually lose to Bush. It was like running against a baked potato and losing. Gore should be the one getting perpetually flogged by the Democratic Party machine. Nader was a detail. Gore should have to wear a big scarlet "L" on his chest for the rest of his fucking life.
except of course 04.Aug.2004 00:56


Gore didn't lose. He just conceded.

The advantage of intellect and charisma 04.Aug.2004 01:15

daisy duck

Yes, Clinton is an scam artist, war criminal, philanderer, conservative, and more. However, he is charming and his IQ is roughly double that of W's (180+ vs. ~91). I like baked potatoes (and slugs, but I'm a duck) and comparing Shrub to a potato is an affront (to the potatoes, of course). I gues comparing him to slugs would insult the slugs, too.

So, as I was telling Donald, Clinton's kind of sexy too (ever see a duck dong? not too impressive). W is scary, in a dead fish sort of way. Not even a duck dong, no pecker, nothing. Yuck! Chutzpah, but no balls. Weird.

Clinton was a loser 04.Aug.2004 01:24

George Bender

One of the weakest presidents we've ever had. Accomplished very little, went backwards in some ways. After his reelection in 96 his former advisor Dick Morris said that everyone wondered if Clinton was elected to a second term whether he would move right or left, but no one expected him to go to sleep.

All politicians are swine 04.Aug.2004 08:06

Ludd ludd91101@yahoo.com

Gore was a block of wood pretending to be a robot. (As opposed to Kerry who is a robot pretending to be a block of wood.) Oh, that and the election being rigged were the reasons I have to look at that dumb, drunk, fake-religious frat boy every day.
Horray for America! Patriotism is great! Send more corpses to the war machine!

The Clinton Myth 04.Aug.2004 11:02

Sam Smith, Progressive Review

Filling some of the vast voids at the 2004 Democratic convention were repeated media references to Bill Clinton as the true savior of the Democratic Party. This myth has been one of the most destructive forces within the party. Here are some of the facts:

Bill Clinton got 43.9% of the vote in 1992, while Michael Dukakis - the victim of another myth as the purportedly worst possible sort of candidate - got 45%. True, Clinton was up against Ross Perot who got 19% as well as Bush, but Clinton might well have lost were it not for Perot, in which case he would have joined Michael Dukakis in the hall of shame.

Clinton won a majority in only two state-like entities: Arkansas and DC. In only 12 other states was he able to get ever 45%. Dukakis, meanwhile, got over 50% in 11 states and got over 45% in 12 others.

Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton, based on our latest figures:

GOP seats gained in House after Clinton became president: 48

GOP seats gained in Senate after Clinton became president: 8

GOP governorships gained after Clinton became president: 11

GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254 as of 1998

State legislatures taken over by GOP after Clinton became president: 9

Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became president: 439 as of 1998 Republican officeholders who became Democrats: 3

According to the 2000 exits polls:

60% of voters disapproved of Clinton as a person

59% -including some who approved of him - disliked him

68% said he would go down in the history books for his scandals rather than for his leadership

44% thought the Clinton scandals were important or somewhat important. (In contrast, only 28% thought Bush's drunk driving arrest was important or somewhat important)

18% said a reason for their vote was to oppose Clinton

15% of those who had voted for Clinton in 1996 voted for bush in 2000.

In short, Clinton was a far more negative factor to the Democrats in the 2000 race than was Nader. The Washington media, which coddled Clinton from the moment he started running, continues to propagate a myth about his utility that bares little ressemblance to the facts.

This is what I thought, Too. 04.Aug.2004 11:12

Abuse Me Again

You know, Clinton really sucked. He screwed us in ways the republicans only dream of. He dismantled the social safety net and starved half a million Iraqis to death. But damn if he didn't make us feel good while he did it.

This, to me, is one of the supreme ironies of American elections: When we do manage to get someone who makes us feel good, it only means he can screw us without our noticing it. This is what Kerry will do, by the way. I think w did more for radicals than any "president" before or since. He was mind-blowingly ignorant. He misread the people every mistep of the way. His stupidity rendered him and his policies totally transparent even to the most damaged corporate-mediaholic. Which means, of course, that all of us could see him and the workings of the US government for what they really are. He was simply too stupid to cover it all up. Many people were radicalized during his reign for that very reason.

My fear is that many of them will go back to sleep once Kerry slides in the front door and w slips out the back in his bullet-proof ambulance with his 2 (count 'em, TWO) decoy limos. And the empire will continue as usual...just not as obviously. This is what it was like under Clinton. He could do anything he wanted, and no one was shouting in the streets about it, because he was just so damn charming.

Even now I find myself thinking that, although I couldn't vote for Clinton, I could actually forgive anyone who did. Yikes.

wait a minute 04.Aug.2004 14:04

details details

Er -- about "shouting in the streets" -- the entire "giant mobile protest movement" currently struggling to sustain itself in America started up under Clinton, and went down the toilet under Bush. So I'm not sure the facts back up the last comment.

Clinton and Waco, OK City etc... 04.Aug.2004 16:07


Yes, and don't forget Clinton's connections to Waco and OK City, and of course his ties to drug running out of Mena Airport in Arkansas. Many deaths resulted from that, including the killing of two teenage boys who stumbled upon the operation. Plus the 1996 Anti-Terrorism Act passed after OK city bombing, which set the destruction of our civil liberties in motion. I don't know what "giant mobile movement" the above poster is referring to. Perhaps the WTO in Seattle? I think the protests that followed got sideswiped in some ways because of where the ministerials were located, such as Qatar for instance. But the anti-globalization movement is still going strong as far as I can tell. See Alliance for Democracy and other groups for more on that. And of course besides the devastations from sanctions and bombing of Iraq, there was Clinton's refusal to come to the aid of Rwanda, resulting in around 800,000 deaths. The death toll goes on and on from one administration to another, but I do agree that dubya has helped to pierce through the veil of illusion and awakened many to the perils we face. I just hope Kerry supporters realize this time that they have to keep wide awake when Bonesman Kerry "reports for duty."

Rep what you sew 04.Aug.2004 20:00


Rescumblicans say what?

More Info, Please, Indy 05.Aug.2004 07:14

Ripe for Abuse

Here's a dumb question I'm sure, but I'm interested. Can you tell me more about "drug running out of mena airport in Arkansas"? I don't think I've heard of this before....

Mena info 05.Aug.2004 10:04


For information about Mena Arkansas and Bill Clinton's role in drug running, check out these two books:The Boys on the Tracks by Mara Leveritt--about the murder of two teenage boys. The book is written with input from one of the boy's mothers who worked for years to bring the case to trial and get justice, to no avail. Also, check out: Barry and The Boys: The CIA, The Mob and America's Secret History by Daniel Hopsicker. There are probably many sources for info about Mena, but these are two that I have personally read. The plot sickens.

More Mena Info 05.Aug.2004 11:17

Progressive Review

Here's a nice summary of the CIA's Mena drugrunning:

More info on Mena here:

Clinton, CIA-conn.; drug runner coverup'er, bisexual, Bilderberger pick in 1991 05.Aug.2004 19:34


clinton's in this book, re: drugs and Mena and by the way, like a lot of high political elites in the USA, he's bisexual. His whole federal career started when he went to the Bilderberger meeting before he became head candidate in 1992. Perot Ran to help Clinton unseat Bush by a split right vote. Clinton was hardly ever popular. He's the left-wing drug running spectrum of the Bush regime. It was Bush Senior and Clinton in Arkansas that assured Iran-Contras drug running and arms shipments through Mena.

the book:

Confessions of a WHITE HOUSE SEX SLAVE, '81-'88 [CIA/DIA MKULTRA trauma mind control]
by: Cathy O'Brien  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280183.shtml

On August 3, 1977 the 95th Congress opened hearings into the reported abuses concerning the CIA's top secret mind control research project code named MK ULTRA. On February 8, 1988, an MK ULTRA victim, Cathy O'Brien, was covertly rescued from her mind control enslavement by Intelligence insider Mark Phillips. Their seven year pursuit of Justice was stopped FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY. TRANCEformation of America exposes the truth behind this criminal abuse of the Unconstitutional 1947 National Security Act.