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Nacazi is a CIA False Flag Op Jp Cupp is a Nazi

Its time the cat came out of the bag. JP was caught in a Muslim household rummaging through someones passports records. He threw the Holy books on floor along with passport records and family photographs and had is filthy dog inside the house. The place looked like a US Marine raid on a house in Baghdad. That's why I hit him with a basebvall bat. JP is undercover CIA agent. The PDX has no right to cover-up this kind of activity, especially since he is openly disseminating Nazi propaganda on the IMC. We demand this story gett out here or we will get it out elsewhere. JP is a COP!!!!!
Nazi Operation Operated on PDX IMC in Plain View
by Majdur Monday, Jul. 26, 2004 at 8:35 PM
Musilm-Socialists are increasingly concerned about a CIA false Flag Operation taking place on the PDX IMC.

Nacazi is a transparent false flag operation intending to inject CIA configured neo-Nazism into the Left. We have to remember that it is not only the project of the CIA, et al, to attack the Left in militant ways but also, and on this occasion mainly, to lead the Left into extreme errors that cause irrepairable damage to our cause.

Nacazi is a Nazi operation on its face which is being allowed to disseminate reactionary ideology into a Left forum where no other Nazi group would dare, or be allowed, to tread. On the ground that certain individuals within the PDX IMC collective know JP Cupp personally from his involvement in the Homeless Front he is allowed to conduct a CIA manufactured "black bag operation" in plain view. The adoption of the anacronym "Nacazi" is obviously a metanym for "Nazi".

It is plain that "Nacazi" an onomonopoetic "seme" or "sign" for "Nazi". Nacazi arouses the the linguistic Nazi though it intendes to precess the corresponding accusation "you Nazi" by the displacement of a few linguistic characters as if "Qwest" doesn't say "Quest" and therefore "Shop" and "Shoppee" are as unrelated as "Labor" and Labour". If it were not enough that "Nazi" and "Nacazi" were spelled differently the politics of "Nazi" and "Nacazi" are the same.

On these grounds, the IMC collective must assert that JP Cupp is in violation of IMC editorial policy since he is either a Nazi or a CIA agent pretending to be not only a Nazi, but a socialist and an Arab freedom fighter. JP Cupp is either a cop or the unwitting stooge of a cop.

Cf.  http://irsn.jeeran.com/

portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/293335.shtml

Put Up or Shut Up, Majdur 27.Jul.2004 00:28

Lawrence Maushard

Who are you, Majdur? And what is this posting, your obvious opinions of JP Cupp dressed up, and not very well, in accusations of being a Nazi, CIA agent, cop, and stooge of a cop. Make up your mind, Majdur.

You state JP Cupp "is allowed to conduct a CIA manufactured 'black bag operation' in plain view." What's your proof, big guy? That's pretty harsh.

And you start off your rant with an very bold statement about Cupp being caught by you ransaking a "Muslim home," etc. Okay, give us details: exactly when did this happen and where? Was it your place? And by the way, what is your full name? Also, did you call the cops and file a police report? If so, has Cupp been arrested? Sounds like a slam dunk case to me, the way you say it, and I want to know more.

Hey, I'll be the first one to say Cupp's statements are a bit extreme. But I look at his rants as a natural result of someone seeing and understanding the horrible, barbaric war crimes and genocide of the Israeli government and the IDF. I'm surprised there's not more people around here with his positions.

Also, I had the good fortune recently to march with JP Cupp and a few of his friends when we trekked from the North Park Blocks on the one-year anniversary of the US invasion of Iraq. Cupp, myself and a very few other people staged an unpermitted march through the downtown streets for a few blocks before being sidelined by mounted Portland cops. That took some fortitude. Other than our small group, very few other people had the guts to march without a permit.

Cupp didn't ask questions of anyone or "push" anyone one way or another. If he was a cop or stooge, it would have been a perfect time to cause a physical confrontation with the cops there and then. To discredit and show off the "left" as thugs and nazis. Didn't happen.

Whoever the hell you are, Majdur, you've got a lot of explaining to do. If Cupp did the home crime, give us the details man. Don't make this type of serious fucking accusation without backing it up.

And you better do a lot better at explaining how Cupp is cop or whatever else you claim without some solid proof. Saying he's "either this or that" is proof enough you're talking shit.

Put up or shut up, man. You gotta have better than this lame-ass rant above to go around smearing people.

That lunatic Cupp has friends? Whew-- 27.Jul.2004 01:35

shocked

that's a surprise. Does he pay them to listen to his racist rants?

Now It All Makes Sense 27.Jul.2004 08:12

Mother of Sam

JP Cupp is a brainwashed freak, who emabarasses the rest of us on his behalf. I doubt there is any CIA/Nazi plot spinning around him, but something is very, very wrong with him. Why anyone would worship North Korea or its leaders is beyond me. I hate this government, and the Israeli government and the North Korean government, equally. What scares me here is that it appears that there are other nimrods out there who actually worship the insane and not so bright JP Cupp.

NACAZAI 27.Jul.2004 09:13

John Paul Cupp

The North American Committee Against Zionism and Imperialism does not go by the acronymn NACAZI as suggested rather it goes as NACAZAI. The organization traces its self back to an anti-normalization committee ( with regards to rejecting the zionist entity's right to exist and reject normalized relations with it on all fronts) called The North American Committee Against Zionism and Racism. I was not a member of such said organization, but I do support its activities and aims.

Now then, it was determined by various arab leftist and also US anti-zionist
socialist forces , that their was a need to bring such to a CLASS POSITION and to approach Zionism within the construct of Imperialism, as phenomenom of the imperialist era, and hence what was named NACAZAR is now called NACAZAI. Such were determined to be necassary prerequisites for a dynamic struggle against US Imperialism and Zionism.

This is not bizarre or shocking behavior. Anti-normalization committees ARE HUGE IN THE ARAB WORLD. Contrary to popular belief, the overwhelming majority of arabs reject the Zionist entity's right to exist, and demand the arab and/or
islamic identity of Palestine, along its historic boundries. Major anti-normalization committees exist in Jordan and Tunisia, amongst others.

Our organization is guided by "communist thought" mr. Majdur, per our bylaws. We do not have an affirmed tendancy beyond that, because we are not a party per se, but rather a committee, just one step in a long process, and their is need to united the communist ranks around anti-zionism, and rejection of the zionist entity's right to exist, if we are to ever debrainwash the anti-war and anti-globalist movement from its position of subserviances to Zionism and it chauvenistic attitude with regards to the US, as a result of its existance within the imperialist epicentre.

In defense of the "Racist" and "Insane" 27.Jul.2004 09:22

Lawrence Maushard

"shocked" and "Mother of Sam" are just two lame cowards who don't understand my main points:

--you can't go around accusing someone of serious crimes without proof

--you can't smear someone with damnable labels like "cop," "police stooge," "CIA," etc. without proof or serious circumstantial evidence.

--if you're going to seriously rant on someone, have the guts to clearly identify yourself

Yes, many of us have problems with Mr. Cupp. But is it actually surprising that someone would defend the man in light of the initial slanderous post above? If it is, then the readers on this site are just as small-minded and mean-spirited as any storm-trooper attack dogs on the right. Don't you guys get it?

Am I paid to say these things, as "shocked" implies?
Do I "worship" Cupp as "Mother of Sam" suggests?

Or am I one of the few PDX IndyMedia readers/writers who aren't cowed by anonymous cowards like the three (?) individuals posting here?

These people are taking cheap, easy potshots at voices in our community, especially extreme ones, without backing up their attacks, labels and invective. And when someone points out their lame crap, the shit gets fired their direction as well.

Come on. You can do much better than this, people.

I don't like him either 27.Jul.2004 10:19

speaker for the sane people

he sucks and posts a bunch of racist crap on this site.

All I know is 27.Jul.2004 10:32

clamydia

JP CUPP has openly supported the government of the DPRK (northern korea) ad nauseum, despite the fact that Kim Jong is a totalitarian dictator who oppresses the people living there. He has openly supported Saddam Hussein, an ex-totalitarian dictator. It's one thing to say "I support the people of Iraq who were invaded by an imperialist force." It's quite another to say "I support Saddam Hussein who was such a terrible leader that many Iraqi's have a hard time deciding which is worse: occupation or life under his rule." It's one thing to say "I support the people of North Korea in their time of oppression. I don't wish to see them invaded, but at the same time it would be nice if there were some sort of coup or something to get rid of that bastard Kim Jong." It's quite another thing to say "I support Kim Jong, who is a really, really, bad person." Do you see my point, JP? Any time I try to get JP CUPP to respond to allegations that Kim Jong oppresses his people, he evades the question. HE WON'T EVEN DENY IT! He simply sidesteps by saying "well, the DPRK has a right to allocate its resources (starve people who openly don't support Kim Jong by hanging his picture in their home) however it sees fit because they are a sovereign nation." That is JP's justification for any wrong that one may accuse Kim Jong of committing. JP's ONLY agenda is imperialism. As far as JP CUPP is concerned, as long as you aren't trying to invade someone else, what you do to your own people is your own business. He seems to me like the kind of guy who would hear/see his neighbors beating their children and simply turn up the radio rather than do anything about it, because after all, they are a SOVEREIGN household.

oh and BY THE WAY 27.Jul.2004 10:33

clamydia

His frequent use of the word "jew" as a derogatory term IS racism, no matter how you want to look at it. Criticism of Zionism is fine, but dissing the entire jewish population of the world is not, and JP makes no distinction between Jews and Zionists.

like all cops, 27.Jul.2004 11:27

cupp is a stooge.

i have questioned him in person as well, his beliefs are totalitarian, disguised as liberator. his militant fantasies are dangerous, and stupid, in which cupp is subordinate and compliant to. don't take my word or anybody else's on it either way though, ask him yourself about the root of his politics, what he is saying he is against turns out to revolve right back to what he wants established.

We don't debate cops 27.Jul.2004 12:20

Majdur

Since I hardly need "proof" for things I witnessed myself which asserts therefore that my testimony is the proof that you requested.

On top of that Al-Masakin contacted DPRK officials in NYC and and in London, we were told that JP Cupp is not authorized to speak on behalf of the DPRK and neither is Alejandro
Cao De Benos. Since neither are the DPRK officials at the United Nations and the DPRK embassy in London are authorized to make statements on behalf of the DPRK we find it hard to believe that JP Cupp is. JP Cupp asserted that De Benos is authorized to speak on behalf of the DPRK since didn't even know that the DPRK has representatives at the UN and diplomatic relations with the UK.

Furthermore, the first false flag operation we caught JP Cupp involved in was when he was claiming to the the USA spokeman for the PFLP under the aegis of the so-called "Che-Leila Youth Brigade" CLYB. I traveled to Portland to meet this individual in person. The fact that the CLYB maintained the position that Ahmad Sadaat, the PFLP Secretary General, should remain in prison under USA and UK supervision in Jericho, Palestine, on the grounds that releasing him undermined Arafat at a critical time was a dead give away that the CLYB was not representing the PFLP. Since Ahmad Sadaat contacted me by e-mail from his Jerico prison urging USA supporters of the PFLP to demand that Arafat release him. Published here: (cut and paste to the window because our server will not let you click through)  http://majdur.htmlplanet.com/al-Masakin/Volume%201/Letter%20from%20Ahmad%20Saadat.pdf

Now he asserts to simultaneously represent the American branch of the Fedayeen Saddam and the DPRK. His pretentions to representation of the DPRK are false as DPRK officials have related to us. This leaves him on the precarious ground of being a defense committee for Saddam Hussein--a long time CIA asset. We assert that his real interest is in facism arabism and arab facism though he is not an Arab or a Muslim.

If he hates Jews so much, then why was he in the Muslim house at Dignity Village with a Jew named Moses, complete with orthodox peyoth or side curls, looking through passport information and family photographs? Who has he been passing information to? Though we know some of the people he is in contact with are in Texas and in Jordan. One of those people in Jordan is Ibrahim Alloysh who main public claim to fame is holocaust revisionism.

On top of this JP Cupp actually *did* start fights on the first night of the US-Iraq war and on the days following it, especially as he provoked an incident with a cameraman from Portland's Channel 4, he also showed up chanting things like "Run the Jews to the sea...Palestine must be free" and "Saddam Hussein...Saddam Husein...Saddam Husein" and "Ossama...bin Laden...Ossama... bin Laden"

JP Cupp is a cop working for the CIA. Whether or not he actually knows the CIA has configured his politics is irrelavant, since either way he still works for the CIA. (Just because he may not know it doesn't mean that he's not doing it, but he has real problems either way).

JP Copp (er... Cupp) 27.Jul.2004 12:49

Yumi-chan cat

Did you say you hit him with a baseball bat? Please, tell more

Reply.1 27.Jul.2004 13:32

Majdur

JP Cupp was allowed to use the Muslim house at Dignity Village on the grounds that he *not* bring his filthy dog "Ernesto" inside. As both I and my Muslim brother--who owned the house--were both out of the area. When I returned, not only was the filthy obnoxious dog "Ernesto" inside the house but my Muslim brothers passport records and family photographs were strewn all over the floor along with the Koran and other Muslim Holy books, and "coincidently" JP's friend "Moses" was "just leaving" on a trip somewhere. Having exchanged words with JP over his disrespectful and apparently cop like activities, a blow to the stomach with a baserball bat was required. I left Dignity Village that night since everyone was up in arms (like hitting this cracker any place besides the head should have cause a real stir).

JP Cupp's activities here on the PDX IMC have been noticed by the larger American Muslim community. Alot of Muslims are very upset about his activities here especially as he tries to link American Muslims to the Fedayeen Saddam. People are asking *me* whether or not I'm the one responsible for all this which I am clearly not involved.

Another brilliant rebuttal 27.Jul.2004 13:32

Lawrence Maushard

"Since I hardly need 'proof' for things I witnessed myself which asserts therefore that my testimony is the proof that you requested."

Very sound reasoning there, Majdur. Extremely convincing. Wow.


Like I said, give us details:

exactly when did this Muslim home invasion happen and where?

Was it your place?

Did you call the cops and file a police report? If so, has Cupp been arrested? If you didn't call the police, why not?

What is your full name? And who are you, and who do you claim to represent?

Also, I don't believe there is a Portland TV Channel 4, just 2, 6, 8, 10, 12 & 49. Take your pick, dude.

Finally, you post this gem:
"JP Cupp is a cop working for the CIA. Whether or not he actually knows the CIA has configured his politics is irrelavant, since either way he still works for the CIA. (Just because he may not know it doesn't mean that he's not doing it . . "

Another brilliant piece of paranoid analysis. And this is why you smear Cupp with the CIA label?! You've watched "The Manchurian Candidate" too many times.

whatever 27.Jul.2004 14:31

clamydia

Irrespective of any of this, JP CUPP is a bloodthirsty lunatic, and therefore harmless. Only the most ignorant, stupid fool would fall in with his bullshit anyway. My advice is to ignore him unless he invades your home, and then a baseball bat might be a good remedy.

More clarification, more questions 27.Jul.2004 14:36

Lawrence Maushard

In the original post, it reads:

"JP was caught in a Muslim household rummaging through someones passports records. He threw the Holy books on floor along with passport records and family photographs and had is filthy dog inside the house. The place looked like a US Marine raid on a house in Baghdad. That's why I hit him with a basebvall bat."

Then, with a lot of prompting, Majdur clarifies it a bit:
"JP Cupp was allowed to use the Muslim house at Dignity Village on the grounds that he *not* bring his filthy dog "Ernesto" inside. As both I and my Muslim brother--who owned the house--were both out of the area. When I returned, not only was the filthy obnoxious dog "Ernesto" inside the house but my Muslim brothers passport records and family photographs were strewn all over the floor along with the Koran and other Muslim Holy books, and "coincidently" JP's friend "Moses" was "just leaving" on a trip somewhere. Having exchanged words with JP over his disrespectful and apparently cop like activities, a blow to the stomach with a baserball bat was required."

Hmmm.

Bit of a different picture emerges. Seems to me that Majdur did not actually catch Cupp in the ransacked house. He would have said that in the explanation, no? But his dog was there. Or am I reading this wrong. Also, Cupp had been allowed access to the Muslim House. Well, did anyone else have access? Also, what did Cupp say when you confronted him? Maybe the damn dog tore up the place.

Cupp would do well to say something in his defense at this point.

But the point remains, you said Cupp "was caught in a Muslim household rummaging through someones passports records. He threw the Holy books on floor along with passport records and family photographs."

But then you apparently admit that only his dog was there.

Good indication Cupp was involved? Maybe. Proof? Hardly. Reason to outright accuse the guy of what you claim with no detailed explanation, except for what had to be prodded out of you which then turns out to be not what you said?

No fuckin' way.

And you hit him with a baseball bat? Smart move, Sherlock. You serve no one well, including yourself, when this type of violence occurs.

Peace. Out.

Whatever, pee hole. 27.Jul.2004 15:05

clamydia

"I see."
I doubt it.
"We are just supposed to be good little children, shut up, and not notice..."
Well, it would be nice if you would shut up, but I could give a shit whether or not you want to roleplay as a child. Sounds kinda kinky...
"the fact that thousands of paramilitaries are being smuggled across the Mexican border on a daily basis."
Says you and...who else? Let's see some sources.
"The above article is total disinformation."
Again with the baseless accusations!"
"Our borders are wide open."
"Just ask anybody from south Arizona or New Mexico."
Since those two states are populated by relatively large amounts of people, I'm sure that an opinion from any one person from one of those states would not be an accurate representation of the opinions of the population as a whole.

You have been DEBUNKED, pal. Better luck next time, shit fer brains!


.... 27.Jul.2004 15:16

John Paul Cupp

All of this is very suspecious to me, because yesterday early evening, I was stopped and searched by the police, on the arbitrary "charge" of riding my bicycle funny. Most of the roads were closed or detoured and hence I pulled into the area were Taxicabs rest, and requested to know if anyone knew were the opening to marine drive could be found.

This was roughly 2-3 miles from the Demonstration against Dick Cheney's visit to Portland. I was informed that If I was ever seen in the vacinity of such said area, with out a defineable founds, again in my life, that I would be immiedately arrested for trustpast, as a security issue. I was also informed that I would be folled back by the Police, and was. Ever few miles a group of them would come out and wave at me, with a good ole' boy smile on their face.

Wheither or not this incident and mr.travails slander are one in the same, I do not know.


Then one of the officers began rumagging through my bookbag which contained little to nothing more than food wrapper, my work gloves for day labor, a long sleeve shirt and a note book. The officer informed me that he knew were I lived and asked me stupid questions such as if I loved russia and if i liked how the russians were doing. This officer begain opening my notebook and attempting to read it. If anyone does not know my hand writing is illegible do to a learning disability of mine. The officer began badgering me to know what such material said, and I told him it was an outline I had been working on for marxist study quotes, ( which was obvious anyways).


Now then:

First Mr. Majdur, I have never said that I hate Jews. This has been subscribed to me as red-baiting. It should be noted that your Muslim Brother in question, as well as all of our associates, were on friendly
terms with the "jew" in question. Suspeciousnness and safeguards is onething Mr. Majdur, but the anti-zionism of the communist is not based on the pseudo-naitonal features and physical traits of an illusionary "jewish" nation. The fact that the overewhelming majority of "jews" in the US, are zionists, is another thing. Obviously, one would treat a Jewish youth on the streets, with a lot of communist leanings, who stands up for his comrades against "anti-semitism" differant than they would the general paradigm of US Jewry.


I have never claimed to speak for the government of the DPRK MR. Travail. I have also never claimed to be a member of the PFLP or a spokesman, etc. Organizing in support of factions and nations engaged in anti-imperialist class struggle, and actually claiming to be a member and/or spokesman for them is another thing. I have also not claimed to be a member of spokesman of the Fedayeen Saddam. That said, the overwhelming majority of Arab nationalists and leftists ( including the Iraqi Communist Party al-Cadre) have affirmed their desire to co-ordinate a united front that includes the leadership of the Iraqi Branch of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath party. I have affirmed support for the call to release Saddam Hussein, because even if we were to believe that the former "regime' was as bloodthirsty as the imperialists suggest, to do otherwise affirms the validity of an illegitamite country selling anti-resistance government.


If you want to support Tehran, that's your business, but the Iranians have turned their backs on two of their neighbors being militarily occupied by the US, hardly principled anti-imperialism.


That said our formation "US Solidarity Committee in Support of the NDFSK and the South Korean People's Struggle" comes at the formal request of the
NDFSK Mission in Pyongyang.

What a crock of shit 27.Jul.2004 16:24

Majdur

Look fuck face. I don't debate cops. "Friendly terms" until you searched through somebodys things and desecrated a Muslim home moron, past tense.

Wendy butthole doesn't even know me at all.

"Nacazai" means "Nazi" Jp Crapp stands for Nacazai and is therefore standing as Nazi. The politics he disseminates here origniate from Arab Nazis. Furthering the Nazi cause in an anti-imperialist forum is cop work. JP is a cop, duh.

The insinuation that Muslims are hugely into JP Copp Nazism is a harmful lie created by the CIA and Mossad propagandists. The Muslim in JP Crapp literature is a violence worshiping terrorist like Saddam Hussein and Ossama bin Laden, these people and their supporters no doubt exist (JP Cupp knows them!!!! They must exist.) The question is whether or not the PDX IMC is a forum for Arab Nazis or not?????

###########################

Ode to JP Cupp: No body bag for JP

Isn't it nice
to think of your face
being smashed
by bricks and rubble
or you tounge and penis
cut off
and tossed in a pile
by the Fedayeen
Fedayeen Saddam

You know its true
Mr JP Jew
that you are nothing but a pawn
In a CIA game gone wrong

No body bay
only yface smashed
Jp Cupp
rolling in a pile of glass

###################################

Dogs are people too 27.Jul.2004 16:50

please explain

This is all very interesting, but please, take it easy on the dogs. I understand that they are considered "dirty" in the Moslem religion, and that is one fact I find disturbing if anyone would like to explain it to me. Anyway, please remember that dogs are people too. Tbey are heroic and loyal. They live at our mercy. Many suffer abuse because they are so loving and do not fight back. In all, the animals are the most oppressed group in society. We should learn from dogs and be more like them.

Furthermore 27.Jul.2004 17:09

Majdur

There sure as fuck is a CIA plot spinning around him...not just spinning around him either but COMING OUT OF HIS FILTHY MOUTH!

And yes, of course dogs really are people...like JP Cupp is really a person and a dog hence the epithet "JP Dog". Seriously there's nothing wrong with dogs besides the fact that they lay around licking their asses all day and the fact that they are not allowed into Muslim houses on account of the word of God says they're filthy animals. But that hardly bothers morons like you in the USMC or CIA or Top Cops or whoever that brings them into our houses. I especially like the relation to sensitive personal documents, dogs, orthodox Jews in Muslim houses, homeland security and the Saddam Hussein defense committee in Jordan and, of course JP Cupp.

TO Majdur 27.Jul.2004 18:57

John Paul Cupp

So we have gone from the accusation that a pet I use to own ramsacked through a structure from the idea that I "broke into a muslim household" (were you were staying as a guest, and of course you were my guest at a number of places I resided) and stole your things.

Also for the record, did you not formally, in front of witnesses, apologize for the assault you placed upon me?

Lastly, the arguement, in question had nothing to do with a former pet of mine. It was overwheither or not it is a sin to support arab nationalism. I am not a muslim, and you are more than welcome to believe that it is a sin to suggest ones nationality is arab ( as opposed to islamic) but I hardly doubt you can demand the international left affirm that arab is not a nationality.

The basis for secular support against the zionist entity, is the settler colonial nature of the zionists, that they do not constitue valid citizens on such said soil, and that zionism is a chauvenistic force in support of world imperialism. Such means that the international left, would also theoritically support Hindu or Zoroastrian people's against the zionist invaders.

You are certainly free to believe that Arab Nationalism is a sin, per the faith of your choice, and per the reactionary line of the US bootlickers in Tehran who are supporting the occupation of two of its neighbors. None of these things, however demonstrate that I am a cop. I wonder where you went astray that you are now endorsing John Kerry. In fact, was their not a time, that you to supported Saddam, at least within the sense of the leadership of a nation fighting imperialism. THis is in keeping with M-L tactics.

It is also telling that you are aware of my ability to incriminate you, and choose not to, because I do not resort to red baiting over personal feuds and friendships gone bad.

I wished the best for you upon our parting. Its very unfortunate that you chose me as your target in the face of the zionist onslaught.

Wow, Majdur, I might have had some 27.Jul.2004 19:40

calling out the truth

empathy for you, but now I'm disgusted by you, you filthy human being. I was trying to follow this discussion--trying to sort through the charges of racism, etc., but when it got to calling dogs filthy, it tells me the kind of person you are. I don't care what your fucking religion is--if you can't respect the life of another sentient creature who has never done a damn thing to you, just because of what your made-up god says, you've got problems. If all muslims believe this way, then fuck them, fuck you, and I hope you'll stop polluting this country with your mindless hate. Why would you expect respect yourself if you can't give it to another inocent being? You and JP are both pieces of shit.

Kiss the baseball bat...Mr. JP Saddam 27.Jul.2004 19:51

Majdur

Call you're fucking cops and tell them I smacked you with a baseball bat. As Bakunin kissed the Tsars ring so shall the JP kiss the bat! All all that RRR-Revolution JP wades in in his seven league boots, and like Trotsky he spells "Revolution" with a capital "R".

Listen you fuck. You broke into personal documents inside a briefcase. I want to know who you're transfering this information to, stinking lousy cop fiend. Apologise to you? You have got to be kidding me? Since when do I apologize to the Kafir desecrating the Koran?

racists calling racists "racist" 27.Jul.2004 20:46

you're all right

"but when it got to calling dogs filthy, it tells me the kind of person you are"

Yes, the kind of person who would call another being "filthy".

Looks like their is plenty of hatred and racism to go around. I think you all need a big group hug.

:)

Bottom Line 27.Jul.2004 20:57

Majdur

The PDX IMC needs to decide whether or not it is a forum for Arab Nazism or not. Whether Arab Nazism configures itself as some deep socialist truth that no one can understand except its practioners or to accept what it is on its face. Does Nacazai seem to be a sign of Nazism? Is it what it appears to be? Or is it other than what it appears to be? The assertions of its adherents is that although it appears to be Nazism there is a HUGE (capital "HUGE") basis of support for it in Iraq. Not only from the Fedayeen Saddam, but the entire international left has endorsed these politics.

I say it looks like Nazism. It looks like a false flag operation. And it is what it looks like. It looks like it supports two very notable CIA assets, Saddam Hussein and Ossam bin Laden (though it remains silent on its chief "M-L" ally the MKO--also related to the CIA and Saddam's poison gas attacks on the Kurds and Iran). Anyone supporting Saddam openly supports a CIA asset. Lets take a look at the anacronym itself:

North American Committee Against Zionism and Imperialism. Most anacronyms leave out the superfluous, thus the words "against" and "and" would be dropped leaving NACZI. Out of the hundreds of possible names for this organization these people choose one known to cause the greatest possible offense here on the IMC and then suppose to defend it on Marxist grounds as if it couldn't be named anything else. The group furthermore goes on to do nothing but Jew bait, it has no other topics to discuss until forced to defend itself. It also loudly procailms itself to be a terrorist organization and then waters down this by saying that it only supports a terrorist organization and later says that it doesn't really speak for this organization either. Just at the same individuals said they spoke for the PFLP and, when proven wrong, said they didn't and later said they spoke for the DPRK and are authorized to fill in the blanks on political questions when Kim Jong Il himself has not answered goes on to contradict the expressed politics of the DPRK towards Iran, and when caught, claims to never have been speaking for the people they spoke so long for.

That's three false flag operations that I've documented involving exactly the same people.

Then we look at the content of the propaganda itself. Every bit of it is the most outrageous violent tirades ever seen on the IMC. Lots of people have been pissed about the Palestinian question and have said lots of things, but the JP Cupp clique top them all on almost a daily basis. Every bit of it also shows the devoted following to an immensely powerful political figure, who the suppose to make the most violent statements on behalf of them. But when the leaders themselves go soft, like when the DPRK went into negotiations with the USA on the nuclear issue, no mention is made of these politics at all.

Or if the DPRK, for instance, affirms the DPRK-Iran Freindship Pact...no mention is made. In fact the group changes its politics to suit its own designs at the moment remarking that Iran has sold out Iraq (false statement). But if Iran sold out Saddam (non-sequitur) then the DPRK must have sold him out too. Or if the DPRK had normalized relations with the Saddam dictatorship...the NACZI clique forget that the DPRK also has normalized relations with the UK, in fact the people behind the so-called "we speak for the DPRK, PFLP, Fedayeen Saddam, or (the real Palestinians and the real Jews too)" don't know that the DPRK has a permanent mission at the UN in New York and and embassy in London. They don't need to because thewir poitics is independent of all the groups they claim to represent.

In the last anaylsis the American Muslim community is against the NACZIs since it breed anti-Semitism and thus undermines our cause since we typically wish to underscore the crimes against our people, not support them. The NACZIs basically support the crimes against our people and therefore function as yet anothe false flag operation by characterizinng our community as crazed violent criminals.

We therefore demand that this end.

MR Majdur is well aware of the anti-normalization movement 27.Jul.2004 22:46

John Paul Cupp

Mr Majdur Traval is well aware of the anti-normalization movement and its existance in the US. He is also aware that it long predates any activites I have had with regards to anti-zionism, in fact the word comes out of the era when Anwar Sadaat, as president of Egypt developed "normalized" relations with the Zionist entity. In oposition to this the naserites, and other patriots "rejected normalization".

When the North American Committee Against Zionism and Racism was in existance it also used the words "against" and "and" in its acronymn ie NACAZAR.

NACAZAI is the formation of anti-normalization with the stance of bringing such within the confindes of anti-imperialism and class struggle ie communist thought, or the baby steps to such said point.

1. I WISH TO ENQUIRE MAJDUR'S STANCE ON THE PFLP, HAMAS, and AL-AQSA BRIGADE
CADRE WHO HELD UP PICTURES OF SADDAM TO PROTEST HIS INCARCERATION AND/OR AS SYMBOL OF DEFIANCE AGAINST THE OCCUPATION OF A FRATERNAL ARAB PEOPLE'S SOIL.DOES HE DESIRE TO BEAT THEM UP WITH BASE BALL BATS AS WELL? OF COURSE, MAJDUR TRAVAL IS WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT SUPPORT FOR SADDAM HUSSEIN, AS A SYMBOL OF DEFIANCE, RUNS DEEP ON THE PALESTINIAN STREETS, AND AMONGST ITS DIASPORA IN OTHER PARTS OF THE ARAB WORLD. WHAT IS MAJDURS THOUGHTS ON THIS? DO THEY TO NEED TO BE BEATEN WITH BATS?

2.
I WISH TO ENQUIRE MAJDUR'S THOUGHTS ON AL-HAKIM GEORGE HABASH, LEILA KHALED, AMED SADAAT, ETC AS THEIR FACTION ORIGINATES OUT OF THE ARAB NATIONALIST MOVEMENT, AND MAINTAINS THE IDEOLOGY OF ARAB NATIONALISM TO THIS DAY, INCLUDING THE ARAB IDENTITY OF PALESTINE, AFFIRMED IN THE ORIGINAL PALESTINIAN CHARTER. Are such individuals "arab nazis" in the opinion of Majdur traval? If not why is this differant?

3. I wish to enquire why Majdur traval thinks that communists in the west should not take the lead of the Iraqi Communist Party (al-Cadre)who affirm the need to support the ba'athist leadership, within the parameters of preventing a civil war as the occupation meets resistance. In fact, the ICP(Cadre) spokesman has called for supporting the call to release Huda Salih Ammash, amongst others.

4. I wish to enquire if it is the opinion of Majdur Traval if he believes the Iran Government directly and intentionally committed attrocities against non-combats in Iraq, during that last several years of its war against Iraq?

5. I wish to enquire why Majdur Traval does not publically state with regards to the "MKO" that he was once a militant supporter of such said organization? Also, were does Majdur traval referance me have a clear stance on the matter of the MKO to suggest I am a supporter ( in fact my line has been that I have not studies it enough to see if they are clean with regards to imperialism, etc).

stupid religions are.... stupid! 27.Jul.2004 22:57

infidel

dogs aren't filthy and god is a means to control your mind.

Holy dyslexia ! ! 28.Jul.2004 00:15

politics as impossible

GOD is DOG spelled backwards

I think calling the guy filthy was in reference to him 28.Jul.2004 00:28

see it this way

calling the dog filthy. Kind of to point out speciesism--what it is to call another being filthy. We always find it more outrageous when a human being is referred to in a derogatory way. I think it's a little tongue in cheek here.

I'm looking at this thread--I'm the author of a couple 28.Jul.2004 01:27

I'm learning

posts here--don't have the heart to go back through and pick out which ones--but I'm apologizing for helping to inflame a topic that is already burning. If I ever enter into another thread that involves JP Cupp, generally blaming "the Jews" for all problems of society, the ugly phrase "filthy dogs," or anything else personally offensive to me, I'm hoping to respond with more reason and less flame. Until that time, carry on and be nicer than I have been!

the term "Arab Nazism" is not applicable 28.Jul.2004 01:28

GRINGO STARS

...unless the intent of the term is to link together all enemies of Jews (or Zionists in most Arabs' cases) so as to equate criticism of Israel to Hitler. That is one way to stifle dissent.

To call people who make regularly outrageous claims a cop is another way to stifle real discussion. Perhaps JP isn't interested in real discussion, I do not know.

I openly do not respect Judaism because I do not respect any sexist, ultraviolent, hateful religions, including Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and the Hindu pantheon. Israel uses Judaism to oppress Palestinians, and the US uses Christianity to oppress many, many nations/cultures around the globe. I have nothing against Jews, just like I have nothing against Christians and Muslims, etc. Their belief system may be fucked, but there are multiple ways to diverge from the hateful dogmas, and my contempt is for actively murderous political movements, such as Zionism or Imperialism.

I fully support the Iraqi resistance, but I do not respect Saddam, even though portions of the resistance in Iraq makes a show of such support. Saddam is a mini-Bush, a mini-Kerry warmonger, a disobedient CIA asset who does not deserve respect in my opinion. But Saddam has far more respect than Bush does in Iraq for legitimate reasons. Saddam was never as cruel to Iraqis as the Americans now are. I believe the Iraqis should be left to decide amongst themselves how best to govern Iraq. If that comes to violence, it is none of Americans business. The US has only harmed Iraq. The US should leave and the UN should not enter Iraq, period. It is not up to me, an American, to respect or disrespect Saddam since it is Iraqis who have to contend with US occupation and Saddam as a possible new rallying point for their resistance. It is the US's treatment of Iraq which has kept Saddam, a "strongman dictator", in power for so long over a (somewhat) united Iraq.

I do not support the DPRK, as it is a blight on the name of socialism. It is more of a Cult of Personality. Socialism does not act like either of the Koreas. Socialism usually is starved to death, and mutated from without by covert agents working against "the threat of a good example" as Chomsky calls it. Hence, there is no real socialism in the DPRK.

JP seems socially challenged, and claims to be anti-imperialist, but I can't account for most of his histrionic analyses.

dropped your binky 28.Jul.2004 02:03

ernest

Majdur and jp cupp...you two are quite a pair....why not just meet and duke it out? Alternately, you could consider having sex, since it seems like you might have that kind of energy for each other. Then maybe you two wouldn't have to air your dirty laundry in the public arena.
I'm an old acquaintance of cupp...we don't talk anymore...he's got passion, but is delusionary in terms of his imagined ability to analyze and resolve international conflicts...rational, is a word that would be stretched some distance, if used in reference to his logic and thinking.....but he does sincerely try, I think, and deserves some credit for that.
On the other hand, these two: majdur and cupp, by the exchange they've offered here for our perusal, have perhaps provided examples of the kind of mentality responsible for the perpetual theocratic conflict in the middle east and other parts of the world, now and throughout history. Agressive?...obvious, isn't it?....Mature?....also obvious....Do they have some aptitude for intellectual thought, and a grasp of political, social, religious, and other related concepts?...yes, it would seem, though hackneyed... yet we must face the reality that at least one of them, cupp, is a grown man, chronologically.
A grown man, yet one behaving like a spoiled, maldeveloped, self absorbed child. Yet due to their dubious blend of skills, some people actually seem to regard them with a certain degree of seriousness as leadership material. Across the world, now and throughout history, leaders not too far removed in mentality from persons like these two, have led the world into tumultuous times.
Note these two and others like them. It's a mistake to let them get in a position of leadership or power. People like them are dangerous to everyone. Take whatever means is neccessary to insure that weapons or other forms of power do not ever come into their hands. Zoloft, Paxil, or lots and lots of pot might be good things for these two, and more importanly, the rest of the world.

You have questions, we have answers 28.Jul.2004 10:42

srijyfgqw9uyt98g

1. MAJDUR'S STANCE ON THE PFLP, HAMAS, and AL-AQSA BRIGADE

>>I'm a professional reporter, not a political activist. I don't have a stance per se, if they contact me I will write an article and try to get it published.

2. SADDAM HUSSEIN, AS A SYMBOL OF DEFIANCE, RUNS DEEP ON THE PALESTINIAN STREETS, AND AMONGST ITS DIASPORA IN OTHER PARTS OF THE ARAB WORLD.

>>This is a false statement, except for a few people that Saddam paid.


3. I WISH TO ENQUIRE MAJDUR'S THOUGHTS ON AL-HAKIM GEORGE HABASH, LEILA KHALED, AMED SADAAT, ETC

>>Third verse same as the first

4. I wish to enquire why Majdur traval thinks that communists in the west should not take the lead of the Iraqi Communist Party (al-Cadre)who affirm the need to support the ba'athist leadership, within the parameters of preventing a civil war as the occupation meets resistance.

>>I don't understand the question, though I wish I did, but deny the Bathist leadership is communist and affirm that it is Arab facism.

5. I wish to enquire if it is the opinion of Majdur Traval if he believes the Iran Government directly and intentionally committed attrocities against non-combats in Iraq, during that last several years of its war against Iraq?

>>I emphatically deny the truth of this statement and happily the United Nations recently affirmed that Saddam was the guilty party and therefore agees with me.

6. Majdur Traval does not publically state with regards to the "MKO" that he was once a militant supporter of such said organization?

>>I categorically deny that I was ever a militant supporter of the MKO.

Those are my answers...if its even me LOL

PS 28.Jul.2004 11:04

agpqreugp

1.1 Mr Majdur Traval is well aware of the anti-normalization movement and its existance in the US.

>>I am not aware of this at all. What I am aware of is an Arab Nazi in Texas and his spokesman in Portland.

Who Is Iraq’s No. 1 Enemy? 28.Jul.2004 12:38

kdslgh80reg

Who Is Iraq's No. 1 Enemy?

:::Tehran Times:::

By Our Staff Writer
Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem al-Shaalan recently said that neighboring Iran remains Iraq's "first enemy".

Al-Shaalan accused Iran of taking over some Iraqi border posts and sending spies and saboteurs into Iraq.

He even claimed that Iraq could send saboteurs to Iran if it so desired.

The remarks of the Iraqi official, who is an old acquaintance of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) according to certain documents and a former member of Iraq's disbanded Baath regime and parliament, indicate that he shares the views of Iraq's former dictator.

Al-Shaalan's brazen remarks are a repetition of Saddam Hussein's words in the early 1980s shortly before he attacked Iran.

The toppled Iraqi dictator brought up the same concerns to justify his invasion of Iran.

Saddam has been arrested, but unfortunately his followers, under the influence of the fascist ideas of the former regime, seek to impose those same ideas on Iraqi society once again.

The Iraqi defense minister, who dare not leave the Defense Ministry headquarters for fear of the criminal terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, should try to identify the countries from which terrorist elements are entering his country instead of repeating allegations against Iran.

Although Al-Shaalan's insolent remarks warrant no response, it is essential to note the following issues.

First of all, these remarks are a series of allegations against Iran that the United States and the Zionist regime dictated to their mercenary Saddam Hussein in 1980 which the dictator repeated without taking into consideration the consequences of such statements.

In addition, although Iran suffered greatly at the hands of Saddam's criminal Baath regime over the past 25 years, it took a different view of the Iraqi people.

For humanitarian reasons, the Islamic Republic of Iran hosted more than 1.5 million Iraqi refugees during the war, and the Iranian nation acted in a completely respectful manner toward them, something that the Iraqi nation will never forget.

Reports also indicate that the U.S has once more announced its support of the Mujahedin Khalq Organization (MKO) and has called on Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's government to supply the necessary facilities for this terrorist group. This runs counter to Allawi's frequent remarks about establishing warm and friendly relations with Iran.

Finally, no country currently has the power to threaten a powerful nation like Iran and most of Iraq's Shia majority support the Islamic Republic. Al-Shaalan should establish Iraq's internal security first rather than accusing Iran of various crimes.

Therefore, Allawi's government should expel ministers who intend to incite chaos in the region before the Iraqi nation attempts to respond to the Baathist ministers and Saddam's former mercenaries.

In fact, Iraq's number one enemy is the fascist and Baathist ideology of Saddam's old pals like Al-Shaalan and others who do not want to establish stability and peace in the region and in Iraq.

The Tehran Times will soon publish part of Al-Shaalan's record of crimes against the Iraqi nation.


On Reply 1 28.Jul.2004 19:09

John Paul Cupp

Majdur intentionally brings in accusations about a private individual in question. Were I am obviously a public figure the indivudial Majdur accuses of theft (without proof) "jewish" or not, is still a private figure and as such post "Reply.1" should be deleted by Indymedia per basic rules of libel.

Furhtermore, my friends, "jewish" or not, are private individuals and not public personages per se, and hence post "Reply.1" accusing me of having associated with a Hasidic Jew ( and when was this against the Korean Majdur, particularly if such persons reject the zionist entity's right to exist) on a personal and fraternal level. This is a violation of such person privatecy and could also be a threat to their safety. Why was this such post not composed ( as well as this one of mine in response).

WHA?! 15.Jun.2006 12:17

David

I'm a former member of The Korean Friendship Association and a current member of The Yahoo Geocities Juche Party, which John Paul Cupp is chairman of The Yahoo Geocities Juche Party. He teaches The Juche and/or Kimilsungism philosophies which I've studied very much.

If you are looking for Nazi organizations...try the ku klux klan and/or odessa, odessa is an organization founded sometime around or the end or start of world war 2, go to Peru and you may be able to find it there.

IT'S LEGAL TO BE A NAZI...even so it's not like anyone knows what the law is anymore.