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SUPREME COURT OKs DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF AMERICAN CITIZENS

Any American designated as "enemy combatant" is now guilty until proven innocent!
ALERT!

June 28, 2004

BBC
Supreme Court OKs Detention of US Citizens Without Trial
Overturns presumption of innocence
... the Supreme Court decided that US citizens designated as "enemy combatants" could be detained without trial - but that those held also had the right to challenge their detention in US courts...
[In other words, any American designated by Bush as "enemy combatant" is now guilty until proven innocent!]


AP

By ANNE GEARAN
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court ruled narrowly Monday that Congress gave President Bush the power to hold an American citizen without charges or trial, but said the detainee can challenge his treatment in court.

The 6-3 ruling sided with the administration on an important legal point raised in the war on terrorism. At the same time, it left unanswered other hard questions raised by the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, who has been detained more than two years and who was only recently allowed to see a lawyer...

[How long will you go down for, how much torture will you endure, before you get your day in court? The US constitution is now officially a dead letter. Welcome to Fascism.]

bastards. 28.Jun.2004 15:32

this thing here

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there is no difference between this horrible decision and one in which it would be perfectly legal for a government to torture, abuse, or use cruel and unusual punishment against a citizen, so long as that citizen could challenge the torture, the abuse, or the cruel and unusual punishment in court.

this is SICK.

law is not politics. law is not politics. citizens' inalienable rights leave little to no room for compromise. but this is just that. a fucked compromise, a forced and totally unneccessary "compromise" of the kind explicitly warned about by ben franklin hundreds of years ago. how hard can it be to understand the infinite wisdom in what he said so simply?

sick and broken, watch the justices, the congress, the senate and the executive branch piss on our constitution. oooh how this is the golden age of america's right wing, how they have wanted for soooo soooo long to be rid of civil rights, to put a stake in it's heart, to stab and hack away at it piece by piece until there is nothing but empty words left...

fuck them all.

remember 28.Jun.2004 20:57

no abdication

Your inalienable rights were (according to this govt.) endowed by YOUR CREATOR (whom or whatever you take that to be), so these justices are dreaming if they think they can take them away.
Authority is the permission to act in another's stead. All authority regarding you belongs to you. Never abdicate it.

American citizens worthless chickenhearts 29.Jun.2004 04:17

Joe Blow from Kokomo

The American public is so misguided by Big Brother's Bush1 and Bush2 that I think they would willingly put the cuffs and shackles on their own children, then on themselves. All they want is to meet their payment obligations so they can stay in DREAMLAND numb to the destruction of the REPUBLIC. There was a time in our collective history when Men and Women of STRENGTH would actually FIGHT for what they believed in, and I don't mean just words. Alas that TIME is long gone. Too much COMFORT and too many CHICKENHEARTS.

It's all over... 29.Jun.2004 05:35

Thoroughly disgusted, but not surprised

It's just a manifestation of our already confirmed slave status in Amerikka. I don't know why people are surprised about this. We've already enacted 9 of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto (the only one not fulfilled is that they're not quartering troops in our homes--yet), and most Amerikkans don't even realize it. Fat, dumb, lazy, pompous and thoroughly convinced that we're the 'greatest country on Earth', and that we can't be defeated. Well, the country was stolen and corrupted right in front of our brainwashed eyes, as we were watching Dr. Phil, Jerry Springer and 'reality tv'...

Our country has already been destroyed, and the only thing left is for the realization to hit us collectively. Over $500 billion federal reserve notes (called money by the brainwashed masses) have already been put into the economy since the beginning of this year. Can anybody say 'hyperinflation'? That's not even taking into account the rising federal deficit, the trade deficit, the numerous bubbles in the economy, the total decimation of the manufacturing base, the erosion of the country's infrastructure, etc. I could go on for another 20 pages, but I think that anyone with half of a functioning brain can get the point.

There are lots of good people in the country, although lethargic and mentally lazy. The simple fact of the matter is that freedom requires intelligence, courage, and dedication. From what I see in this country, americans are lacking in all three. Unfortunately, our children aren't going to know the feeling of liberty, because unless people get some sort of dynamite blast out of their frozen state of stupor, we're just going to recreate the Fourth Reich squared.

Tyranny of the clerks 29.Jun.2004 06:44

Patrick pjrsullivan@netzero.net

In politics there are elected officials and all the rest are clerks. The Supreme Felons are clerks appointed for life by the criminal classes to, in the word of Madison, "Provide an eternal bulwark against democratic attacks." So we have clerks providing legal cover for an appointed clerk.
The legality of this State is not in question, rather it does not exist. The decision to create a genocidal planetary destroying nuclear capability in april of 1947 caused the "Gods" to damn this tyranny. The repeated attempts to launch these criminal implements upon the human race have condemned this tyranny to perdition.

The "Gods" are the high level actors who have interposed themselves between the nuclear war criminals and the human race, many refer to them collectively as ET. When the herd figures it out, this band of simple minded brutes are going, and everything from their law books to their holy books are going with them, including their guns and cages routine.

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well said every one 29.Jun.2004 06:50

carol brown carol.carol@iwon.com

I don't see too much that I can add here. A lot of good points have been said.
You all are right. We have been dumbed down thru the media and their lies, school and their lies, the government and their lies, and worst of all have ALLOWED it to happen.

This "government" SUCKS!!!!! Americians as a whole are stupid for allowing this to happen and God help the rest of us who are awake and alert seeing this unfold in front of our eyes.

This is what was said 29.Jun.2004 07:05

John D. Johnson

When sites like tis try to whip the government schooled (uneducated) population into a frenzy, they win! You liberals should read more and knee-jerk less;

"The Bush administration has maintained that the courts may not 'second-guess' the commander-in-chief's enemy combatant's determination. Today, the Supreme Court said the president has no such power over the citizenry. Any American that insists upon his innocence has a right to a 'day in court' and an impartial judge will hear his evidence and make the key decision on whether the incarceration is legal or not."
..........CATO Institute quote from the court.

Child abuse as well as police brutality are already products of this event 29.Jun.2004 07:07

John thundernome@hotmail.com

Dear readers, the Ohio state house has has passed a bill number 265 put forth by on creepy weirdo named Keith Faber, R-Celina that will allow teachers, principles ect to abuse your child and make them immune to lawsuites or accountability...go here to see more on this subject:

 http://nospank.net/n-m50r.htm

here is a quote from the article and this Faeber:

Faber said a paddle print on a child's buttock probably wouldn't qualify as child endangerment but a broken arm might.

Block said physical discipline is undefined in the bill so it's unclear if tying kids to chairs, locking them in closets or washing their mouths with soap would be permitted. Also, Faber's bill applies to anyone working in a school, said Block, who saw paddling injuries while working at a pediatric hospital.

This sounds familiar don't it...sort of like the Iraq torture sacandal were it was okay to torture prisoners for information but, if they broke their arms, or killed them, that was to bad....we didn't know it would happen so that makes us immune and unacountable.......we have the right to get information any way we can.

Well, it's now here in the United States and it's starting witho our children as well with each and everyone of us......Scary, Scary, Scary....God help us all.

It is time for revolution. 29.Jun.2004 07:46

Paul Revere

This is the same scenario that started the 1776 thing. King George just threw everyone in jail that didnt agree with his laws, taxes etc.
Same thing here.

No Matter What Words Were Used ... 29.Jun.2004 07:48

Kay Morgan

As long as there is one American citizen held as an'enemy combatant' in Cuba (and we are allowed to know very little about this), the rights granted to 'all American citizens' have been negated. No, it hasn't reached our domestic courts - yet - but look at the last administration's military fiasco out in Waco, and the (un)PATRIOT(ic) Act and "free speech zones" implemented by the current power brokers. Give meglamaniacs (of whichever phony political party) an inch and they WILL take America away from the people.

Bush is a FACIST WANKER! 29.Jun.2004 07:54

Josef Goebbels

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This is a Test; This is only a Test 29.Jun.2004 07:57

One Who Knows

OK, people - for those of us who portend to be in touch with God and His Divine Plan, didn't we know that this is what HAS to occur in these days in which we live? It's time to get off our cans and rise up and realize that this is it, it is indeed the end of the way "things used to be"...

Although the devil-doers appear to have a great deal of power, we have to remember that the power was created by and belongs to God - the devil-doers have manipulated the creation of God and created evil from good. In the beginning, when God created, He created and it was good. But the devil-doers create evil. As one sows, one will eventually reap.

So, hang on tight, have faith in the One to whom you pray. Keep on doing good and having faith and all will go well for you. Live in accordance with His Law - be in touch with His Wisdom daily. As you see the events in this country tax your faith and your strength, you must not stoop to the level of the seriously deceived who would do this to their fellow humans.

All will go well for us - and we will be a light for others to hold onto because, people, there's going to be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth when the duped people realize what has come upon us in this beautiful country.

Hang on tight because there's going to be an interesting ride coming. But, afterward, the Sun will shine in the way it previously did. The Moon will return to its natural orbit around the Earth. The atmospheric conditions will greatly improve once the spraying has ceased. There will be great abundance in the land when the Earth returns to its natural chemistry and can once again produce fruits and vegetables that will be untampered, whole, pure, and beneficial to our bodies.

Have faith, dear ones - the test of our faith is about to begin in earnest and we will, I can guarantee you, win this battle. How can I be so assured of this fact? The Bible states what has been, what is, and what will be and my faith is in the Law of God.

Peace to all.

Bush Not Goebbels 29.Jun.2004 10:44

Mark E. Moore AdvocateSupreme@comcast.net

Actually, the propaganda of Bush best mirriors Willie Muzenburg rather than Goebbels. Muzenburg tought Goebbels, as astute students of history acknowledge.

I've been trying to tell you! 29.Jun.2004 11:11

Doug Duff doug@funkypretzel.com doug@funkypretzel.com

I've been trying to show Americans the way out of this damnable situation. We can do it, but you better be educated and I don't mean with a worthless diploma or from the electric vomit from your toiletvision set. My whole web site is to warn others, not of the problem, everone sees that, but how to "Step Out" of the problem, and I'm not talking from a religiosity viewpoint, I mean on a FREEDOM AND LIBERTY political viewpoint. Folks, we're not dealing with government. Government went down the rat hole March 9, 1933, via the rat, FDR. I'm just trying to throw out a lifeline, one that will work. Just educate yourself, then you can make your every move count. If you think we're NOT in war, you may be beyond hope. I mean here at home. Anyway, I thank the provider of this space for room to make the comments.


C'mon Americans 29.Jun.2004 11:54

Ferdinand of the Netherlands (europe)

I always admired America (The Americans) for its spirit and it's believe in his own values, (although most Europeans are pretty sceptic about America.)
So I do call upon you all: stand up and fight the ones that are bringing down your country, take your freedom, poison your skies and kill your sons and daughters in a unlegel war. The worst enemy of these evildoers are a consious mass...YOU
So hey stand up and fight! educate yourself and think for yourself its is You that made the country.

Make America great again!

Democrats in Congress are part of the Problem! 29.Jun.2004 13:08

Ken

I'm so disappointed with the Democrats in congress. Republicans will always be Republicans, but the constitution of many present Democrats is driven by the all mighty dollar. The day of F.D.R. and John F. Kennedy are long gone. All there's left is a bunch of silver spooned, bitch slaped, pussies. A lot of bills are being passed by congress were many Democrats jump sides in the name of special interests. All I have to say to the current members of the house and congress is... I'LL SEE YOU IN NOVEMBER!!!

The Supremes sing for Bush and gang again 29.Jun.2004 14:17

Devin

If ANY American is not truly concerned and frightened by this new Fear Factor real time game in bush's america brought to you by the lifeappointed supremes, then, they must be completely asleep. This just puts the stamp of approval on domestic fishing expeditions, aka 'trolling for enemy combatants' on the streets of America, anywhere, anyway, anytime.
Hey and all you bible loving, gun packin', true patriot Americans that voted for bush, don't think you'll be exempt from being investigated because YOU VOTED FOR MISTA TEXAS-THE MAN WILL NOT TOLERATE BEING THREATENED by your very presence and level of 'old fashioned' patriotism.

Kiss America goodbye, this is the dawning of the New World Order, it is smackdown time for America, watch and observe.

A Rule on Enemy Combatants that may not go far enough to protect America 29.Jun.2004 15:02

I Plubius demand adherence to the Costitution

The Supreme Court ruling that "enemy combatants" may be held by the "State" but still have access to American law by petition disregards the Constitutional Separation of the Executive Branch, Congress and Judicial System. People's rights under the Constitution ARE NOT ABSOLUTE meaning that those are rights that cannot be abridged or modified but are relative rights that must be weighted with the FUNCTIONS AND DUTY OF THE GOVERMENT TO PREOTECT THE CITIZINRY and the NATION. The Top most golden rule for a government even above freedom of speech, freedom to a judicial system is THE PROTECTION OF TE NATION and PEOPLE. Wars are not nor ever have been fought based on a "criminal" or "civil" system but based on the needs to protect the people and the interest of a nation. In otherwords Courts HAVE LITTLE CONSTITUTIONAL business in handing down decisions that are in effect an afront to the words, and intentions of the Constitution. The Supreme Court IS NOT ABOVE THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH=PRESIDENT or above CONGRESS. For the Supreme Court to attempt and define the power of the Executive Branch in a way that is contrary to the power given to the Executive branch by the Constitution and by Congress is in effect an attempt by the Supreme Court to bypass the Constitution, Congress=the voice of the people, and undermine the duties and responsibilities given to the Executive Branch. The next point is that the legalities of conducting a war lies not by the word of the Supreme Court but by the word and the law of Congress and the Executive Branch under the rights and responsibilities given to them by "social contract"=Constitution and by international treaties that were signed. A "criminal combatant" is no longer a common civilian that is entitled to rights, nor is a "soldier" the same as a "combatant" or a terrorist. The Supreme Court is no longer adhering to the Constitution, or international treaties, or the historical consistency of similar laws in the book, but trying to impose its social views by "making laws through its own "POLITICAL AGENDA". The Supreme Court acts anti-constitutional when through its Activistic Behaviour puts forth rulings that run against the Constitution, against the powers granted to Congress and the Executive, and against prior rulings and interpretations. Not every citizen in the world or every american citizen is entitled to "legal protection", "legal representation", or even a judicial trial. This is an attempt of the Supreme Court to go beyond the powers granted to them and infringes on the Constitution, the other branches of government, and the laws of the land. The historical laws are replete with rulings that under conditions of war or national security the protection of a nation, the protection of government operations in defense of a nation, or the overall protection of the citizens/population is paramount and justified in denying not only common legal rights but also curtailing or suspending rights given to individuals under the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Do you think that under a time of war a U.S. citizen can get on a radio and broadcast U.S. troop movements, or other information that may be vital for U.S. security or necessary for an attack by a foreign power or agency? It is ludicrous to say that "freedom of speech", and legal representation are absolute rights which clearly are not under the U.S. Constitution , the 200+ years of practice of that Constitution, Congressional Laws, or the legal rulings under more than 4 major wars experience. The idea that the Supreme Court can impose "civil law" on how wars ought to be executed and managed is a violation of the power of the Supreme Court. National security, national interest, and liberties of citizens and none-citizens are defined not by the Supreme Court but by Congress and the Executive branch. The role of the Supreme Court is to interpret the law and BE CONSISTENT with prior laws, the will of Congress and the RIGHT OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH by which powers have been granted to, rather than having a Supreme Court that re-interprets laws to undermine the will of Congress, the Presidency, the history of the laws of the country, and undermine the Constitution of the U.S. . Wars are not fought by having lawyers assigned to soldiers or combatants but fought by the powers and rights granted to Congress and the Presidency in which the American people put their trust on and wrote it in the Constitution. A Supreme Court that looks to undermine the powers of the other government branches and undermines the will of the people is a Supreme Court in violation of the Constitution and in violation of the will of the nation. Tyranny is not an activity that can only come from a dictator but can also come from a judicial system such as the Supreme Court that attempts to impose its socialist values without regard or contrary to the voice of the people and the nation and rules they passed. The balance of power in government is exactly an attempt to balance and restrain not only the activities of a runaway Congress or Presidency but also a runaway Supreme Court. In there lies the true America and the true legitimate power where no SINGLE institution (Supreme Court, Congress, Presidency) can dominate or defined the rights of the individual and the nation.

gibberish. 29.Jun.2004 16:59

this thing here

>"The Bush administration has maintained that the courts may not 'second-guess' the commander-in-chief's enemy combatant's determination. Today, the Supreme Court said the president has no such power over the citizenry. Any American that insists upon his innocence has a right to a 'day in court' and an impartial judge will hear his evidence and make the key decision on whether the incarceration is legal or not."
..........CATO Institute quote from the court.<

yeah. so.

thanks to this decision, now i can be held indefinitely until i can challenge my being held indefinitely. never mind my actually being able to challenge in a court of law some actual criminal charges based on government evidence. no no, that will occur in a separate trial.

that is COMPLETE BULLSHIT. no american citizen granted the protection of the consitution and the bill of rights should first have to challenge the basis of their detention, and then, in a separate trial, challenge the criminal evidence. this is called two trials when the constitution plainly states there will be ONE SPEEDY TRIAL BY JURY IN A COURT OF LAW TO CHALLENGE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WITH THE AID OF LEGAL PROTECTION. YOU WILL HAVE LEGAL REPRESENTATION. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL BY JURY AND THE DUE PROCESS OF LAW. THERE WILL BE NO SELF-INCRIMINATION. YOU WILL NOT FACE TWO TRIALS FOR THE SAME CHARGE. YOU WILL NOT SUFFER CRUEL OR UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.

well, that's what the constitution read until the bush admin. pissed all over it, and the supreme court star chamber started compromising something which must not be compromised if freedom in this country is to mean ANYTHING anymore.

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>Activistic Behaviour<

wow, neat word...

>Not every citizen in the world or every american citizen is entitled to "legal protection", "legal representation", or even a judicial trial.<

huh? you want adherence to the constitution, which grants any and all american citizens legal protection and representation and trial by jury, among other things, so how then do you justify this statement?

sorry, but the central case implied here - that 9-11 happened because we as citizens have "too many" rights - still has not been made in any kind of a coherent argument by the likes of you, or some highly educated right wing legal scholar, or any officer of the executive branch's cabinet, or for that matter the president himself.

JAH 29.Jun.2004 17:07

Quevon

This is where you need to go if you really want the truth.  http://jahtruth.co.uk//plan.htm

JAH 29.Jun.2004 17:31

Quevon

You people have to realize that the CONstitutoin of the US is mearley shackles that the government has used to strip you of your GOD given rights. The laws of men have been designed by SATAN in order for us to volunteer our GOD given freedoms and break our Covenant with the KING of KINGS and the LORD of LORDS the one true GOD YHWH (I AM). We have to throw off these oppressive laws of men if we ever want to truely be free and in GODS good graces.

what the Austrians did plan to do about it[Hitler] 1944-45 29.Jun.2004 17:49

Hans

When the 3rd Reich went far beyond reason in actions of war and secret development, the Austrians had planned to irradicate the problem by physical removal. Luckily, the USA,Britain,Russia Italy, and Canada and France decided to cut that operation of the Austrians short, by enmasse invasion of Germany at that time. It was tempoarily successful, but all the above seems to be resufacing all over again right here in the usa, the original nation that defeated Hitler has now most assuredly embraced those
horrifying qualities, it would seem or appear.

Are we learning from past experience?
Are we more stupid now than back in the 1940's?

comment from a us veteran 29.Jun.2004 20:44

dave

Well my fellow Americans we are now finished.goodbye U.S. Constitution i gave my life for and the rest of stupid America will allow this and not do anything about it until they are the one whom gets labeled enemy combatent We are finished people, finished.Best of Luck written buy a 1991 Desert Storm Vet whom is sick

Ignorance is BLISS!! 29.Jun.2004 22:51

I figured it out. The TRUTH.

Here we go. It all started with the us constitution. The constitution was written as a legal
document wouldn't you say? That's where we get all those "Free" rights from. So in other words
it's a "contract" by two parties. A creator "party" and an "enforcer" party so to speak. The only
"party" that had those "rights" were the people who "created" the document. Which by the way
are all dead now. For example.... You can ONLY receive royalties or profits if you had anything
to do with the creation of a book. Did we as citizens NOW have anything to do with the creation
of the constitution? NO!! But here is the kicker. I saw an article about how now in the state of
Louisiana the police can search your house "without" a warrant. They are taking away those rights
we never had in the first place. I always wondered how can a person be born in a country and
"automatically" receive FREE rights. Sounded kind of fishy to me. So i did some research and
came up with this information. Nothing in this world is for FREE. There is ALWAYS going to be
a PRICE you have to PAY for things. You may not have to pay monetarily, but there are other
forms of payment. For example....Your TIME reading this comment. Sorry to say, that's how messed
up things are here. But let me guess, everybody is going to continue walking around being STUPID
as usual. I guess its all that flouride stuck in their brain. Do your own research and find out.
Flouride makes you "dumb" and "stupid" so keep on brushing your teeth with that stuff. I can go
on and on. But i wont. Seek the truth and you shall find it. Dont get caught with your pants down.

Rise up if there be any brave men amoung you ! 30.Jun.2004 09:07

Give me liberty or give me death

These Judges names and co-conspirators should all be kept track off
for the American trials to come in the future. These trials will be
to hang traitors to this nation. WE THE PEOPLE GOT YOUR NAME AND YOUR
FAMILYS NUMBER. The day ((( WILL ))) come baby !

Hungry and Angry 30.Jun.2004 09:08

Neerio

When the the uninformed, ignorant american masses have lost everything and with nothing to lose even their lives perhaps they will have the courage to stand against tyranny. To have a successful revolution it takes about 1% of the poulation ( about 2.5 million people give or take a few hundred thousand) to mass in any given area across the country on any given day to demand accountability in government and full restoration of our freedoms. Will their be pain, suffering, hardship and bloodshed? You bet. However when one is hungry enough and pissed off enough perhaps one will find the inner strength to do what needs to be done. Will americans finally do this? Who the hell knows. As revolutionary once said "I would rather die as free man standing, than live my life as a slave on my knees" Love and Light to All.

Perhaps Victory 30.Jun.2004 14:57

Winston Smith

As I tried but failed, but failel. This time we shall seek to win. In due time the new Hitler will rise up, proclaiming his intentions to destroy the vermin, the scum, the rascal multitudes. You, dear Amerika are the rascal multitude, the vermin, the scum to this Hitler. He seeks victory and knows no failure. His words poison the minds whom listen, corrupt the weak and flighty. Stand firm and prepare the fight with weapons of your choice. WE are waiting and watching, this battle between the diametric forces of god versus evil will come soon. Prepare for the battle! Germany stand by you in mind and soul Amerika! We await the Armageddon, be strong children of the world. AMERIKA. You can win!

who rules by who's consent 30.Jun.2004 16:01

Danguard

Dear Americans,

We need to boycott the idiot box as the media is mostly mindless drivel to help you stay in your bubble. The government has forgotten that they rule only by the consent of the people. With electronic voting fraud highly probably added to the already shady practices that prevail in some areas of the county, and because the majority of the vote does not even necessarily gaurentee we will get who we want anymore, and because the two candidates of the two partys are really the right and left hand of the same beast, we are not going to get satisfaction with the established, corrupt system. We will need to take action. As the British learned in history, rights that are lost, can only be taken back through blood. Its time to flush the toilet and get the shit out of the government. We also need to put the money supply back under control of a new government and switch to a gold based economy that doesnt let your retirement get eaten up by inflation. The bankers, the corporations and the corrupt government are waging open warfare on you and your families rights to create a one world global plantation where everyone is exploited and enslaved by the elite corporate oligarchy. The only question is when will we declare our war on them. How many of us must fall before we strike?

Steppin Out 30.Jun.2004 21:51

Funky Pretzel doug@funkypretzel.com

How would you like to do something productive, something that would count? If you knew how, would you have the courage to "Step Out" of this damnable system we're in and enjoy the RIGHTS that we had as a Republic. Remember, Democracy is nothing more than mob rule. You can STEP OUT of the system. It's easy to do and will cost you practically nothing, except the shackles around your necks and the chains leading to them.
Everyone talks about the problems. I'm telling you there is a solution. I have a small series of short articles at my web site that explains why we're in the shape we're in and how to get out of it and start enjoying LIBERTY and FREEDOM.
Corporations are to blame. You're a corporation and probably don't know it. If your name appears in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS on your driver's license, social security card, credit card, etc., then, you function as a corporation. "They" have fraudlently used your name for up to one million dollars worth of drug dealing and gun running and "they" are doing it legally because we've been duped into not knowing anything about anything. At my web site funkypretzel.com near the bottom of page 6 you will see a few articles titled "Steppin Out". It's not too late, people. I can't explain it in the space given here, but it's written in simple and basic format. Check it out. Thanx.


Freedom 01.Jul.2004 14:14

Greeny

When freedoms are outlawed, only the outlaws will be free.

Learn more about what is going on 01.Jul.2004 15:12

Danguard

Dear readers:

In case you are not aware of it, there are two good sites to visit to see what is going on in the overall picture. Jeff Rense at www.rense.com is a very valuable website that links important information from a wide range of topics and alternative news sites. Also, www.prisonplanet.com has some very interesting and frightful information. Spread the word to everyone you know. The more people that learn about alternative news sites, the more mainstream it will become raising the general awareness, and act as a catalyst for action forming groups to be established. I have looked at these sites for awhile and they are very enlightening and valuable. The most important thing is for you to look at the information and decide what is relevant to you. Freedom to form ideas and opinions using information from the widest possible range which is greatly assisted by the alternative media is essential for those of us who care to wake up and start a movement of positive change. Good luck truthseekers!

A time for everything 03.Jul.2004 01:08

The Preacher

"LORD, THOU hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hast formed
the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting thou art God" Psalm 90:1, 2

"To every thing there is a season, and a purpose under the heaven
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up
that which is planted; A time to kill and a time to heal; a time to break down,
and a time to build up; A time to weep and a time laugh; a time to mourn, and
a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refain from embracing; A time to get, and a time
to lose; a time to keep and a time to cast away; a time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silent, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time
of war, and a time of peace." Holy Bible, Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

What time are we in?

Bush no better than Saddam Hussein 03.Jul.2004 06:22

Maltese

If this law had to be passed in Iraq, today it would be one of the accusations against Saddam!

By the way.... Who is going to prosecute Bush and his cronies for the illegal war against Iraq??

Let us not let them win our world.

Love and Peace to everyone.

JAH 03.Jul.2004 12:12

Quevon

This is a time to cast away the Government that is destroying us.

Matthew 17:19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this government, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Apathy is the enemy 04.Jul.2004 22:08

Deb

Revoke the privilege of executive order; it is the president's most powerful tool in usurping the constitution, and it has been heinously abused by the current administration.
Here is an idea; I call it "clean slate".
Every member of the House, Senate and Supreme Court- vacate their chair. Those who hold title of Esquire need not apply. The presidential candidates, to be chosen by lottery from the voter registration rolls, with several to choose from, that way we would get a real American, with real ideas, whose loyalties are not paid for by corporations.
Simple, yes, but the chance of continued corruption less likely. It would again be a Government by the people, for the people. Instead of by the lawyers for the corporations.

Apethy = Enemy 05.Jul.2004 17:37

Funky Pretzel doug@funkypretzel.com

Deb - Apethy is the Enemy. Sounds like you've been doing your homework. How are we going to teach the others?


Trial without detention 06.Jul.2004 17:52

ASDF

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September the Eleventh 2001.

The World Trade Center.

In a Perfect World.
Evidence of Explosives in the World Trade Center Towers collapse (0.7 MB).
Why did the World Trade Center Towers Fall? A Review of Thomas Eagar's (of MIT) Article (0.7 MB).
Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. A Review of Charles Clifton's Article (0.7 MB).
The Jet Fuel; How hot did it heat the World Trade Center?
Proof the Twin Towers were Deliberately Demolished.
The FEMA Report into the World Trade Center 7 Collapse is a Total Joke.
Multi-Storey Buildings in Steel: The World Trade Center (0.4 MB).
Some Articles from Engineering News Record (0.8 MB).
Comments on the World Trade Center Demolition (0.4 MB).
Microsoft Software used to simulate the crash of a Boeing 747 into the World Trade Center.
University of California, Berkeley Professor, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl Testifies.
The World Trade Center 7 Explosion Myth.
The World Trade Center Towers collapse as an Enormous Insurance Scam.
What went wrong with the investigation? By Eric Hufschmid (with comment).
Sixty State Street and the World Trade Center towers: A Comparison (0.7 MB).
Was Thermite used to Melt Sections of the World Trade Center Core Columns?
Calculations Say at Least 14 Tons of High Explosive Needed to Bring Down Each Tower.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Reports on the World Trade Center disaster.

Table Of Contents for the FEMA World Trade Center Report.
Chapter 1 of the FEMA WTC Report: Introduction (with comment) (0.9 MB).
Chapter 2 of the FEMA WTC Report: The Twin Towers (with comment) (2.2 MB).
Chapter 3 of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC 3 (0.4 MB).
Chapter 4 of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC 4, 5, and 6 (1.2 MB).
Chapter 5 of the FEMA WTC Report: World Trade Center Seven (with comment) (1.3 MB).
Chapter 6 of the FEMA WTC Report: Bankers Trust Building (0.6 MB).
Chapter 7 of the FEMA WTC Report: Peripheral Buildings (0.8 MB).
Appendix A of the FEMA WTC Report: Overview of Fire Protection in Buildings (0.5 MB).
Appendix B of the FEMA WTC Report: Structural Steel and Steel Connections (0.6 MB).
Appendix D of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC Steel Data Collection (0.8 MB).
The FEMA World Trade Center Collection in PDF-document format.
The FEMA World Trade Center Collection. Alternate location (smaller images, faster downloads).

The Fires.

Research Results from the Cardington Test Fires (text only).
A New Approach to Multi-Storey Steel Framed Buildings Fire and Steel Construction (0.8 MB).
The Behaviour of Multi-storey Composite Steel Framed Structures in Response to Compartment Fires (1.0 MB).
The Cardington Tests and the Broadgate Fire.
Tapes Tell of Firefighters Courage at WTC.
The Cardington Reports in PDF-document format.

The Pentagon.

A Detailed Analysis of whether or not a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon (1.5 MB).
Photos of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon are a Complete and Utter Fabrication (0.5 MB).
The Pentagon Problem in a Nutshell.
The Bijlmer Crash - Joe Vialls - Caught in a Lie (0.5 MB).
Carol A. Valentine Article Completely Wrong.
The Strange Case of the Sports Utility Vehicle at the Pentagon.
How the Size of the Plane in the "Explosion" Photo was Calculated.
The Essence of the Problem.
Article on the Pentagon Retrofit.

The Response, Or Rather, Lack Of It.

District of Columbia Air National Guard Mission And Vision Statement.
New Jersey Air National Guard Mission Statement.
An example of Air National Guard efficency.
Where was NORAD on September Eleven?

Other.

Urgent message to Ellen Mariani: Get a new lawyer. Fire Philip Berg.
The Most Outrageous Conspiracy Theory Of Them All.
Many 9-11 "Hijackers" are Still Alive and Well.
Evidence that the Arabs are Not to blame for the WTC attack.
Stranger Than Fiction (from www.whatreallyhappened.com).
Collection of Eric Hufschmid's early articles.
Israelis arrested on suspicion of 9-11 involvement.
Sept 11th - Unanswered Questions By MalcontentX (0.3 MB).
Seismic Waves Generated by Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at the WTC (0.3 MB).
Seismic Observations During the September 11, 2001, Terrorist Attack (0.5 MB).
Investigation shows Cellphone Calls from 9-11 "Hijacked" Planes are next to Impossible
Benjamin Freedman Predicted the Present Push for WWW III in 1961, prescient eh?

Palestine (Now Known As Israel).

Some Facts About Palestine.
Listing and Map of Land Ownership in Palestine in 1947.
Listing and Map of Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed/Destroyed by the Jews.
More on the Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed/Destroyed by the Jews (0.5 MB).
Time line of the Israeli aggression against the Palestinians in the 1948 war.
Jewish/Israeli massacres of Palestinians and Jewish Terrorism in general.
Brief articles on the 1948, 1956 and 1967 wars started by Israel.
Brief article on the Israeli attempt to ignite a civil war in Lebanon.
Arafat calls for democratic elections in the United States.
The Amazing Cost of Israel to the United States
America should fight minorities and aliens the way Israel does!
The Day Israel Deliberately Killed 34 American Sailors.
Brief article on Israeli apartheid.
Israel wins Huge Victory.
Is Israel a Democracy?
Some Israeli War Criminals.
Some articles on the War Criminal Sharon.
The War Criminal Sharon. The Long Version.
The Chinese claim California as a Confucian Homeland.
Time to Bomb Israel for its Development and Deployment of Weapons of Mass Destruction.
God gave the Jews New York.
The Genocidal God of the Jews.
Some Zionist Fairy Tales.
Israel mugs the Palestinians.
Muslims base their claim to Palestine on History.
Jewish Terrorism.
Jewish Terrorism targeting the British.
Online Books about Palestine and the Jews.
What you can do if you care.
Jews Attack Christianity.


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I'm just learning about the truth and that truth is ugly 07.Jul.2004 12:21

scw

I don't understand, It is written that if we the people find out that there are treaters in our elected Government, they are tobe shot in front of a firing squad for there treasonness acts and we the people can form a Government that works for the people. These elected officials have violated there sworn oath of office,the evidence is overwelming of these treasoness actions and acts by the elected officials. We can bring treason charges against them in the World Court and if we the people do not get the action there than as Citizens of the land we have an obigation to our selves to take action in our own behalf, it's up to our selves to get ride the the cancer that is keeping us sick as a nation,these officials have created havic on the Earth against people of other lands and beleive me if we don't do something to stop these officials the other people will attack America for real and we will have no one to blame but ourselves, this is the perfect time for Americans to stand-up in one voice and declare to the rest of the people of the Earth we are not going to stand by and do nothing. We should boycott the election in November and any other Election after that, lets just fire the officials by not going to the poles or does anyone have a better idea.