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Catholic Church Hypocracy

In which I take a news report and de-hypocratize it to make more sense (and consistent with the teachings of their god, Jesus)
Real Story:

Pro-Choice Catholics Told to Confess

By CHERYL WITTENAUER
Associated Press Writer

ST. LOUIS (AP) -- The archbishop of St. Louis, who has said he would deny Holy Communion to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, now says Roman Catholic voters who support abortion rights should go to confession before taking the sacrament.

Archbishop Raymond Burke said Thursday that Catholics cannot vote for candidates or policies in support of abortion and be worthy to receive Communion.

"We always have to remember that it's objectively wrong to vote for a pro-choice politician," Burke told KMOX Radio. "People could be in ignorance of how serious this is. But once they understand and know this and then willingly do it, vote for a pro-choice candidate, then they need to confess that."

His remarks came a week after the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops adopted a statement warning lawmakers at odds with church teaching that they were "cooperating in evil." The statement left it up to each bishop to decide whether to deny Communion. Under church law, bishops adapt Catholic teaching in their own dioceses.

Burke could not be reached for comment Friday.

In January, Burke drew national attention by saying he would deny Communion to Kerry, a Catholic who supports abortion rights.

The issue has polarized Catholics, putting politicians on the defensive and fueling a larger national debate on the proper role of religious leaders in politics.

Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs, Colo., has said that Catholics who vote for abortion-rights supporters should refrain from taking Communion.

Meanwhile, in Wisconsin, Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison said he has no plans to deny Communion to local Catholic politicians who support abortion rights, considering it "a last resort."

"When we bring up this issue, the last thing I'm thinking about is who wins the election, Bush or Kerry," Morlino said. "I'm thinking about facing Jesus someday and giving an account for my people, and whether I did my best so they could be saved."

The Rev. James Halstead, a theologian and head of religious studies at DePaul University, called Burke's position "poor pastoring, counterproductive and questionable theology."

Burke said he was not trying to influence the election in Missouri, rather he was just "teaching the faith."

A task force of U.S. bishops is examining the issue as they adapt for the American church a 2002 Vatican doctrinal document called "Participation of Catholics in Political Life."

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Pro-war Catholics Told to Confess

By CHERYL WITTENAUER
Associated Press Writer

ST. LOUIS (AP) -- The archbishop of St. Louis, who has said he would deny Holy Communion to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, now says Roman Catholic voters who support war should go to confession before taking the sacrament.

Archbishop Raymond Burke said Thursday that Catholics cannot vote for candidates or policies in support of war and be worthy to receive Communion.

"We always have to remember that it's objectively wrong to vote for a pro-war politician," Burke told KMOX Radio. "People could be in ignorance of how serious this is. But once they understand and know this and then willingly do it, vote for a pro-war candidate, then they need to confess that."

His remarks came a week after the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops adopted a statement warning lawmakers at odds with church teaching that they were "cooperating in evil." The statement left it up to each bishop to decide whether to deny Communion. Under church law, bishops adapt Catholic teaching in their own dioceses.

Burke could not be reached for comment Friday.

In January, Burke drew national attention by saying he would deny Communion to Kerry, a Catholic who opposes the war.

The issue has polarized Catholics, putting politicians on the defensive and fueling a larger national debate on the proper role of religious leaders in politics.

Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs, Colo., has said that Catholics who support war should refrain from taking Communion.

Meanwhile, in Wisconsin, Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison said he has no plans to deny Communion to local Catholic politicians who support war, considering it "a last resort."

"When we bring up this issue, the last thing I'm thinking about is who wins the election, Bush or Kerry," Morlino said. "I'm thinking about facing Jesus someday and giving an account for my people, and whether I did my best so they could be saved."

The Rev. James Halstead, a theologian and head of religious studies at DePaul University, called Burke's position "poor pastoring, counterproductive and questionable theology."

Burke said he was not trying to influence the election in Missouri, rather he was just "teaching the faith."

A task force of U.S. bishops is examining the issue as they adapt for the American church a 2002 Vatican doctrinal document called "Participation of Catholics in Political Life."
good satire 25.Jun.2004 20:39

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I mean, who would ever believe that Kerry would oppose the war.

Religious Simpletons 25.Jun.2004 21:05

Den Mark, Vancouver

Most roman catholic hierarchs are astoundingly simplistic in their one-issue stand. Aside from abortion, i hear deafening silence on issues for those already born. Let's say that pro-choice is wrong, for the sake of making a point here, but is it the ONLY wrong? One would think so, listening to the roar from the "holy" ones. It would be good to hear the same roar against war & poverty & hunger & bigotry & pollution. There are a few bishops who are righteous, such as Thomas Gumbleton of Detroit, but holy mother church silences them, or tries to, & their careers go nowhere. Gumbleton is not ARCHbishop of Detroit, for example, but should be. He spoke out too often! In place of "roman catholic", the names of other churches could be substituted: southern baptist, mormon, & so on. Organized religions, jewish, christian, muslim, are revolting & worship tiny tiny "gods". God must surely be sick of them.

Confession 25.Jun.2004 22:07

K.C.Roberts

The catholic church's position on the abortion issue is correct.However,in the post Vatican II "church",confession is almost a luxury,and quite difficult to come by these days.Today,you have long lines for communion,whereas in the Latin Mass era,there were long lines for confession.I ,myself, was catholic for a number of years,and fell under the spell of the Tridentine Mass in Atlanta.(Luckily ,I finally woke up).The fact is,there's just too much politics involved.I could open up a can of worms here,by stating that according to the Roman Catholic "belief",only baptized Roman Catholics will go to Heaven.Protestants,Muslims,Jews,etc... are headed for eternal damnation.
That includes Vat II catholics.Anyone who is not a baptized ROMAN catholic.
The "new" mass is considered to be a protestant service.That is part and parcel why I left the Catholic church,and christianity as a whole.Too much hatred,and bigotry!! Read Quo primum Tempore for more info.
Thank God I'm a Buddhist!!!

Metta,
K.C.

Quo Primum 25.Jun.2004 22:52

K.C.Roberts

Here is Quo Primum Tempore ,with remarks,and responses as well.
Enjoy.

 http://www.traditio.com/tradlib/quoprim.txt

Metta,
K.C.

Until people realize that religon is the cause of all the wars. 26.Jun.2004 13:37

And wake up to the truth.

Nothing will ever change!

Think for second about what it teaches?

Hate of others!

What causes wars?

Hate!

Can you now connect the dots?

religion makes it worse, but capitalism is the root of war 28.Jun.2004 20:43

GRINGO STARS

Religion promotes a black/white view that dehumanizes non-believers and makes it easier to kill someone who isn't TRULY human. Dubya and Osama both have played the Holy War card. Dubya has even claimed that God Himself told Dubya to attack Iraq! Not even Osama says such dipshit BS! And your average 19-year-old US stormtrooper finds it pretty easy to kill a Muslim "raghead" as they call them, since "they" are responsible for 911, right? Typical.

But it is capitalism itself which makes war happen. Capitalism demands constant economic growth for its own health. Zero growth means losses in the capitalist world. So the economy must be constantly expanding, which is where war comes in. Eventually, the economy will hit a ceiling, no more growth. So growth will have to be FORCIBLY created. By obtaining more markets, resources, and workforces, an invasion of another country can jumpstart a capitalist economy. The many billions spent on rebuilding Iraq, as well as "private contractors" (mercenaries), replentishing military armaments, bullets, missiles, guns. And the you have a whole new population that will join your economy, on YOUR terms, or else! How perfect! Afghanistan was planned well in advance of the actual invasion, all for the gas/oil pipeline that the Taliban refused to have built in their country. Iraq's oil is the US's oil now, not Iraq's or Russia's or France's anymore.

Money talks. And shoots. And explodes. And kills thousands at a time. Religion just makes it easier.