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Welcome, Mr. Attorney General

Brilliant Presentation
Opening Statement Of Senator Patrick Leahy,
Ranking Member,
Senate Judiciary Committee
Oversight Hearing
Attorney General John Ashcroft
June 8, 2004

Welcome, Mr. Attorney General. It is good to have you back before the Committee, and we are pleased to see you have recovered so swiftly from your surgery earlier this year. It has been a long time since our last oversight hearing with you. Fifteen months have passed since your last, brief appearance in March last year.

Sparse And Grudging Cooperation

Mr. Attorney General, I must speak frankly about an issue that has emerged as a basic problem during your tenure. There are two words that succinctly sum up the Justice Department's accountability and its cooperation with congressional oversight on your watch. Those two words are "sparse," and "grudging." Even those of us who have served through several presidents cannot recall a worse performance record when it comes to responsiveness.

Too often we on this Committee, on both sides of the aisle, get the sense that under your direction and example, the Justice Department and its agencies consider oversight by Congress to be nothing more than a nuisance.

But lack of oversight has costs and consequences, and we are beginning to reap them. Why is oversight important? Beyond the fact that the Constitution prescribes such checks and balances among the three branches of government, proper oversight - with cooperation from Executive agencies - helps make government work better. It also contributes to accountability. How is the Justice Department using all of the tools this Congress has provided in the USA PATRIOT Act? With the lack of oversight cooperation we have received, and with the secrecy that shrouds several aspects of the law, how would any of us know the real answer to that question, or dozens of other questions on other vital topics?

Now more than ever, the American people need the Justice Department and the FBI to be as good as we need them to be in combating terrorism. Congressional oversight is an essential ingredient in identifying problems and forging solutions.

Just days ago we learned of Justice Department involvement in devising legal arguments to minimize our obligations under such U.S. laws and international agreements as the convention on torture. Yet a letter I wrote to you last November, well before most of these abuses came to light, went unanswered for months, and when we are lucky enough to get responses, the premium is on unresponsiveness. Few of the answers we get are worth much more than the paper they are printed on. We often learn more about what's really happening in the Justice Department in the press than we do from you.

Could the Administration's cooperation with Congressional oversight have prevented such disasters as the prison abuse scandal? The answer is obvious.

What We Know

So in the meantime, the problems and the questions just keep on piling up.

In the 1000 days since the catastrophic attacks of September 11th, we have learned little from our Justice Department. We know this:

Osama bin Laden remains at large;
At least three senior al Qaeda operatives who helped plan the 9/11 attacks, including the suspected mastermind of the plot, are in U.S. custody, but there has been no attempt to bring any of them to justice;
The Moussaoui prosecution has bogged down because the prosecution refuses to let the defense interview witnesses in U.S. custody;
A German court acquitted two 9/11 co-conspirators, in part because the U.S. Government refused to provide evidence for the cases;
Three defendants who you said had knowledge of the 9/11 attacks did not have such knowledge; the Department retracted your statement, and then you had to apologize to the court for violating a gag order in the case;
The man you claimed was about to explode a "dirty bomb" in the U.S. had no such intention or capability, and because he has been held for two years without access to counsel, any crimes he did commit might never be prosecuted;
Terrorist attacks on Capitol Hill and elsewhere involving the deadly bioterror agents anthrax and Ricin have yet to be solved, and the Department is defending itself in a civil rights action brought by a man who you publicly identified as a "person of interest" in the anthrax investigation;
U.S. citizens with no connection to terrorism have been imprisoned as material witnesses for chunks of time -- with an "Oops, I'm sorry" when a "100 percent positive" fingerprint match turns out to be 100 percent wrong;
Non-citizens with no connection to terrorism have been rounded up on the basis of their religion or ethnicity, held for months without charges and, in some cases, physically abused;
Interrogation techniques approved by the Department of Justice have led to abuses that have tarnished our nation's reputation and likely given strength and driven hundreds, if not thousands, of new recruits to our enemies
Your Department turned a Canadian citizen over to Syria who was tortured;
Documents have been classified, unclassified, and reclassified to score political points rather than for legitimate national security reasons;
Statistics have been manipulated to exaggerate the Department's success in fighting terrorism; and
The threat of another attack on U.S. soil remains high, although how high depends on who, in the Administration, is talking and what audience they are addressing.
Unfinished Business After 1,000 Days

Your testimony here comes about 1,000 days after the September 11th attacks and the subsequent launch of your efforts against terrorism. As National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice acknowledged in her testimony before the 9/11 Commission, the terrorist threats to our nation did not begin in September 2001. Yet preliminary findings of the 9/11 Commission suggest that counterterrorism simply was not a priority of the Justice Department before September 11th. In fact, just one day before the attacks, you rejected the FBI's request to include more money for counterterrorism in your budget proposal. Arab language translators were so sorely lacking that when we did intercept information, we did not have the capacity to learn from it. The FBI lacked computer analysis capability to make sense of the valuable information we did have, such as an informant's claim that he and other al Qaeda operatives had been sent to the United States to hijack planes. The strong concerns of FBI agents like Coleen Rowley in Minnesota and Kenneth Williams in Phoenix were falling on deaf ears. The Justice Department failed to understand and apply the correct standard to get a search warrant for the computer of Zaccarias Moussaoui, who was in federal custody in August 2001. We were more concerned about Mexican immigration along our southern border than with securing American borders from terrorists. We were not coordinating effectively with international allies or our own State and local law enforcement agencies. And while you have recently been sharply critical of the so-called "wall" between criminal investigators and intelligence agents, you did nothing to "lower" it during your first seven full months in office. The President is fond of saying that September 11 changed everything, as if to wipe out all the missteps and misplaced priorities of the first year of this Administration.

Now, 1000 days later, there is ample cause for concern about whether, even now, the Justice Department is using its increased resources well and is setting its priorities toward the right goals.

Another Suspected Terrorist Goes Free

After the attacks you promised a stunned nation that its Government would "expend every effort and devote all necessary resources to bring the people responsible for these crimes to justice."

Last week we learned from press reports that you chose to deport rather than prosecute Terrorist No. 27 on the FBI's Most Wanted List. This is one of the most disturbing and frankly, stunning, revelations to emerge from the home front in the war on terrorism. According to the Associated Press, seasoned prosecutors like Chicago U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald believed that a prosecution was viable. Instead, the Justice Department declined this case on the ground that the United States could not effectively prosecute terrorists without giving away intelligence sources and methods. And instead, this suspected terrorist was deported and turned loose where he presumably could still wage jihad against us.

This was not the only instance since September 11 that the Government has chosen an easy option instead of effective criminal prosecution. I hope that you can explain how mere deportations, dragnets, detentions contrary to international law and definitional charges to inflate "terrorism" statistics serve to make American safer in the long run.

Mr. Attorney General, you have spent much of the past two years increasing secrecy, lessening accountability and touting the Government's intelligence-gathering powers under the PATRIOT Act. I and others here in Congress from both sides of the aisle worked together in unparalleled cooperation to pass the PATRIOT Act shortly after September 11.

But now I must ask, to what end? The threshold issue really is: What good is having intelligence if we cannot use it intelligently? Identifying suspected terrorists is only a first step. To be safer, we must follow through. Instead of declining tough prosecutions, we need to bring the people seeking to do us harm to justice. That is how our system works. Instead, your practices seem to be built on secret detentions and overblown press releases. Our country is made no safer through self-congratulatory press conferences when we face serious security threats.

A Responsibility To Deliver Justice

In December 2001, you announced the indictment of Zacarias Moussaoui and told the world that al Qaeda would now "meet the justice it abhors." At that moment, those who watched the Twin Towers fall in New York City, the destruction of the Pentagon and the carnage in a field in rural Pennsylvania, embraced your promise that "the awesome weight of justice against the terrorists who blithely murdered innocent Americans" would now be brought to bear.

But in the 1000 days since the attacks, the public justice we yearn for has eluded the very criminal justice system we hold up as a successful symbol of democracy to the rest of the world. We need to know why our Government is unwilling or unable to investigate and prosecute the crimes of September 11. From the moment that maniacal scheme was hatched and through its implementation on that terrible day, those responsible in any way must be identified and held accountable.

The Government agency that bears the name of Justice has yet to deliver the justice for the victims of the worst mass murder in this nation's history. The 9/11 Commission is working hard to answer important questions about the attacks and how the vulnerabilities in our system that allowed them to occur, but it cannot mete out punishment for those involved. Neither the 9/11 Commission nor this Committee can do the job of the Justice Department.

You spoke recently about efforts that are under way in a number of nations to transform their criminal justice systems from an inquisitorial system to one modeled after our own -- a system that relies on evidence and adversarial proceedings. But you are not allowing our system to work.

The United States should not be afraid or reluctant to accord those charged with heinous crimes basic due process. Our prosecutors and criminal investigators are ready, willing and able to do their jobs. We have techniques to provide security for sensitive information through the Classified Information Procedures Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and other provisions. This Administration's expansion of all manner of government secrecy has, however, served to undercut the mission of the Justice Department.

There are times and occasions when the United States must act militarily. There are aspects of this effort that must be undertaken diplomatically in the international community and the President is belatedly discovering the benefits of diplomacy and alliances. But our criminal justice system is another dimension of our efforts against those who commit terrorist acts against the United States and our citizens. The skilled and hard-working men and women of the Justice Department and the FBI deserve so much credit for all they do, day and night, month after month, to protect the security of the American people. But under your leadership the Justice Department seems to have all but abandoned the field on so many of these cases. Instead, you deploy the Justice Department's resources to deny justice to the American victims of terrorism who have sought compensation in the courts, while failing to implement the victim compensation program that Congress called for nearly four years ago.

For 1000 days now, the families of the victims of September 11 have waited for the killers of their loved ones to pay the price for their crimes. As you yourself recognized, the indictment of Zaccarias Moussaoui was an important step in securing justice for the victims of September 11. Unfortunately, it appears to have been the last step.



A Time for Accountability

Mr. Attorney General, since September 11 you have blamed former Administration officials for intelligence failures that happened on your watch; you have used a tar brush to attack the patriotism of Americans who dare to express legitimate concerns about constitutional freedoms and civil rights; and you have refused to acknowledge these problems, even when your own Inspector General exposed widespread violations of the civil liberties of immigrants caught up in your post-September 11 dragnets.

Secretary Rumsfeld recently went before the Armed Services Committee to say that he should be held responsible for the abuses of Iraqi prisoners on his watch. Director Tenet is resigning from the Central Intelligence Agency. Richard Clarke went before the 9/11 Commission and began with his admission of the failure that this Administration bears for the tragedy that consumed us on 9/11. I am reminded this week as we mourn the passing of President Reagan that one of the acts for which he will be remembered is his concession that while his heart told him that the weapons for hostages and unlawful funding of insurgent forces in Nicaragua should not have been acts of his Administration, his head convinced him that they were and that he took responsibility.

We need checks and balances. There is much that has gone wrong that your Administration stubbornly refuses to admit. For this democratic republic to work, we need openness and accountability.

Mr. Attorney General we all know that your style is to come to attack. You came before this Committee shortly after 9/11 to question our patriotism when we sought to conduct congressional oversight and ask questions. You went before the 9/11 Commission to attack a Commissioner by brandishing a conveniently declassified memo in so unfairly slanted a presentation that the President himself disavowed your action. I challenge you today, however, to abandon any such plans for this session and begin it, instead, by doing that which you have yet to do: Talk plainly with us and with the American people about not only what is going right in the war on terrorism, but also about the growing list of things that are going wrong, so that we can work together to fix them. Let us get about the business of working together to do a better job protecting the American people and ensuring that wrongdoers are effectively brought to justice.

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Astounding 12.Jun.2004 09:53

Den Mark, Vancouver

Pardon my ignorance. Is this actually Senator Leahy's statement to asscroft? If so, i am astounded by the razor sharpness & the barely-controlled anger. I applaud the Vermonter. We should demand that Oregonian & Columbian print every single word. This should be printed & handed out at every public event. Amazing.

Even better 12.Jun.2004 10:19

to see

Even better than reading those words was watching the faces and their expression while those words were spoken.

The bulging eyes and the pulsing veins, the barely contained anger and I believe I even saw rolled eyes to go with the strained expression.

The media can't let this get out, people may start watching the real news if this got out.

Archive Link 12.Jun.2004 10:52

library mouse

Here is the Senate website archived statement:

 http://judiciary.senate.gov/member_statement.cfm?id=1212&wit_id=2629

if it is Leahy it's pretty accurate on Ashcroft, though Leahy is scum as well 12.Jun.2004 11:02

read this quote

This is indeed interesting, though it's a pot calling the kettle black. Certainly Leahy is mad that the Bush Reich considered him one of the expendables (he was singled out with an anthrax letter, recall). And he is such a NWO and pro-CIA person it certainly would rankle him to be 'offed' so easily? I'm sure he's pissed at them (re this quote, he's talking about his OWN letter that was sent with Daschle's letter: "Terrorist attacks on Capitol Hill and elsewhere involving the deadly bioterror agents anthrax and Ricin have yet to be solved, and the Department is defending itself in a civil rights action brought by a man who you publicly identified as a "person of interest" in the anthrax investigation....")

They are sparring for the same positions of power, with different ideologies on how to go about it, instead of somehow at odds with the NWO plans themselves.

For instance, unlike jackboot religious fundamentalism of Ashcroft's NWO, LEAHY's NWO is way into 'a softer scientific touch' with Project Monarch which is still going on despite CIA denials from the late 1970s that it stopped then. Project Monarch is instrumental to the whole CIA's drug muling, drug running, sex blackmail, pornography, sex slavery for money, and experiments for creating the 'perfect soldier' program of the NWO types. Like Ashcroft and his annointing with Criso oil, the fear of calico cats, his required patriotic songs, and a fear of naked Justice statues--Leahy is equally crazy it seems about Project Monarch which is his favorite private toy to play with AND his governmental interest given his Ingelligence Committee membership as these quotes presume.

It's sickos vs. sickos. There are sickos on both political 'sides' of the U.S. corporate state aisle. It's sickos vs. sickos whenever Democrats and Republicans are involved. We require totally alternative parties more representative of grass roots interests. We require actual decentralization instead of innate battles for which branch of the federal NWO Sicko Party is going to steal the election.



Confessions of a WHITE HOUSE SEX SLAVE, '81-'88 [CIA/DIA MKULTRA trauma mind control]
author: Cathy O'Brien

On August 3, 1977 the 95th Congress opened hearings into the reported abuses concerning the CIA's top secret mind control research project code named MK ULTRA. On February 8, 1988, an MK ULTRA victim, Cathy O'Brien, was covertly rescued from her mind control enslavement by Intelligence insider Mark Phillips. Their seven year pursuit of Justice was stopped FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

TRANCEformation of America exposes the truth behind this criminal abuse of the Unconstitutional 1947 National Security Act.

One of the world's only [two?] escaped MK-ULTRA Project Monarch mind control slave, Cathy O'Brien, who lived to tell about it. You will find below an eyewitness to high crimes including the following: federal governmental drug trade organization, ethnic biowarfare, and global government networks in Canada, Mexico, Haiti, Saudi Arabia, the United States, the UN, the Dominicans, the CIA, the United States legislature, judicial, and executive branches, and the Vatican --- particularly active in select US states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Alabama, Vermont, and Tennessee. Ethnic bioweapons testing in Haiti for racial war and Catholic holy war purposes, US plague delivered in communion wafers, see Iran-Contra and NAFTA from the inside; see Reagan, Bush Senior, George W. Bush, Cheney, Habib, de la Madrid, Salinas, Trudeau, Mulroney, King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Baby Doc Duvalier of Haiti, Senator Byrd (D-West Virginia), Arlen Spector, Gerald Ford, Senator Leahy (D-Vermont), Bill and Hillary Clinton, Alan Cranston, Governor Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Governor Blanchard of Michigan--all using these MK ULTRA sex slaves regularly; see Bohemian Grove details; many more users: Guy VanderJagt, former Governor of Pennsylvania Dick Thornburgh, Congressman Jim Trafficant, Congressman Gary Ackerman, and much more.

longer excerpts here:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280183.shtml

EXCERPT FROM THAT PAGE ON LEAHY:

. . .

Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), who served as vice chairman on the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee in 1985-86, was a "friend" of Senator Byrd. Leahy's position on Byrd's Senate Appropriations Committee, coupled with his former position in Intelligence, afforded him an inordinate amount of power and influence. While I had cause to have contact with Senator Leahy on numerous occasions, Kelly was apparently more familiar with him than I.

. . .

The LL Bean outlet, located near the top of supposedly the highest mountain in the pristine forest, appeared to be a store front for CIA covert activity. When I asked the 'clerk' assigned to Kelly and me for a black, Swiss Army Knife, his response was indicative of familiarity with government covert operations. Using the old familiar statement (trigger), he ordered Kelly and me to "Walk this way," as he led us through a storage area and out the back door. There a black, unmarked helicopter was waiting on a pad for us.

The pilot flew us a short distance to the top of a mountain, where we landed in a clearing next to a house that appeared to have no other access. The place was run like a fortress, and two guards in suits met us as Kelly and I emerged from the helicopter. The guards escorted us into the house, keeping Kelly while I met with Senator Leahy.

. . .

I delivered the documents and message as ordered. Leahy then proceeded to explain that he was aware that my death was imminent due to my groundwork participation in NAFTA, and that subsequently Kelly would be traded to the West Coast pornography operation. Not only did he obviously want to join in on "using me up" before my 30th birthday, but he had "tracks" to cover-up where Kelly was concerned.

. . .

Kelly and I had been given what felt like a sophisticated variation of the NASA CIA-designer drug, Tranquility, which turned us into the robotic mind-controlled slaves that Senator Leahy preferred. As the drug was overtaking me, I attentively listened to what Leahy was saying.

. . .

Kelly was standing quietly and robotically just outside the door with the two guards. The ushered us down the hall, through an ornately carved door, and into Leahy's bedroom. The room was highly effeminate for a man, decorated in pastels, white eyelet, and huge billowy pillows. When the Senator walked in Kelly groaned, "Noooo, not you again." Leahy signaled Kelly with his hand, thus switching her into total silence and submission. . . .His pale skin looked even whiter against the white eyelet sheets, which seemed to accentuate the perversity of his pedophile actions with my daughter that I was forced to watch. His tortures complete, Leahy ordered Kelly and me to follow him downstairs to his "torture lab."

I had seen and experienced basement "spy conditioning" torture chambers before both in the U.S. and in Mexico, and Leahy's "torture lab" looked more like a NASA lab. His access to the latest advancements in electronic/drug mind-control technology was consistent with his ability to use it. I was immediately strapped to a cold, chrome and stainless steel table by the two guards. Leahy began reciting, "Cross your heart and hope to die, Stick a needle in your eye." A wirey "needle" was pushed slowly into my right eye while Kelly was forced to watch. This entire ordeal was directed for trauma purposes primarily at Kelly since Leahy figured I would be dead soon anyway. "If you holler, if you cry, Kelly will be the first to die. Pray to God and Bush will hear, because this Eye now has an ear."

. . .

While I was literally out of my mind from intense pain, Leahy utilized the opportunity to program me with what he said was financial information to deliver to Byrd.

. . .

I had photographically recorded numbers in my mind's "computer banks" ever since Leahy prepared me for the task some months before at White Sands Missile Base in New Mexico. It was there in the TOP SECRET mind-control area of the base that Leahy subjected me to extreme tortures and high-tech programming. Combining purposes as usual, Leahy was saying, "Funding will continue to be approved as long as (mind-control) Projects such as this continue to receive your full attention."

. . .

Confessions of a WHITE HOUSE SEX SLAVE, '81-'88 [CIA/DIA MKULTRA trauma mind control]
author: Cathy O'Brien

On August 3, 1977 the 95th Congress opened hearings into the reported abuses concerning the CIA's top secret mind control research project code named MK ULTRA. On February 8, 1988, an MK ULTRA victim, Cathy O'Brien, was covertly rescued from her mind control enslavement by Intelligence insider Mark Phillips. Their seven year pursuit of Justice was stopped FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

TRANCEformation of America exposes the truth behind this criminal abuse of the Unconstitutional 1947 National Security Act.

One of the world's only [two?] escaped MK-ULTRA Project Monarch mind control slave, Cathy O'Brien, who lived to tell about it. You will find below an eyewitness to high crimes including the following: federal governmental drug trade organization, ethnic biowarfare, and global government networks in Canada, Mexico, Haiti, Saudi Arabia, the United States, the UN, the Dominicans, the CIA, the United States legislature, judicial, and executive branches, and the Vatican --- particularly active in select US states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Alabama, Vermont, and Tennessee. Ethnic bioweapons testing in Haiti for racial war and Catholic holy war purposes, US plague delivered in communion wafers, see Iran-Contra and NAFTA from the inside; see Reagan, Bush Senior, George W. Bush, Cheney, Habib, de la Madrid, Salinas, Trudeau, Mulroney, King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Baby Doc Duvalier of Haiti, Senator Byrd (D-West Virginia), Arlen Spector, Gerald Ford, Senator Leahy (D-Vermont), Bill and Hillary Clinton, Alan Cranston, Governor Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Governor Blanchard of Michigan--all using these MK ULTRA sex slaves regularly; see Bohemian Grove details; many more users: Guy VanderJagt, former Governor of Pennsylvania Dick Thornburgh, Congressman Jim Trafficant, Congressman Gary Ackerman, and much more.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280183.shtml

full book:

more at:

TRANCE Formation of America is the first documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control. Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch operation. Tracing her path from child pornography and recruitment into the program to serving as a top-level intelligence agent and White House sex slave, TRANCE Formation of America is a definitive eye-witness account of government corruption that implicates some of the most prominent figures in U.S. politics.

read chapters of the book, and buy the book:

 http://www.trance-formation.com/

It's all the same story, over multiple books...

9-11 Director CHENEY RAPES CHILDREN and has a history of playing HUNT THE HUMAN in Wyoming [with 25 comments]
author: excerpt, testimony
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277523.shtml

The Franklin Cover-Up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska
by John W. Decamp
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963215809/qid=1076445070/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-8669967-1194255?v=glance&s=books

Secret Agenda: The United States Government, Nazi Scientists, and Project Paperclip, 1945 to 1990
by Linda Hunt
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312055102/qid=1076445119/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-8669967-1194255?v=glance&s=books

of course, reagan had to die the very same week... 12.Jun.2004 11:38

this thing here

... so the press went freakin bonkers with a reagan love fest and conveniently missed reporting this.

sen. leahy says:

>We need to know why our Government is unwilling or unable to investigate and prosecute the crimes of September 11.<

hmm, interesting a member of the very same government sen. leahy was referring to would say this.

i would say to mr. leahy that attention needs to be directed a little more sharply to persons and activities of the present admininstration.

i would also ask sen. leahy to observe closely the fact that captured "terrorists", or those who have been held for suspicion of being involved in "terrorism", are held as enemy combatants. this means they are held without the usual legal rights of u.s. citizens accused of crimes. they are held indefinitely, they are held incomunicado, they are held on a piece of land in cuba where who knows what laws apply and what don't, and if, if they are ever to go to trial, many of them will face a military tribunal, a form of trial the press is not allowed to cover. except, that is, for the verdict.

and i would ask sen. leahy to notice that the most recent trial, held in a civil criminal court on u.s. soil, which used the expanded powers of the PATRIOT Act, resulted in an aquittal.

so i would ask sen. leahy to answer his own question by noticing that the bush admin. DOESN'T WANT TRIALS OF TERRORISTS.

and then i would ask sen. leahy to ask about why, WHY wouldn't the bush admin. want trials of terrorists. hmmm.......

because what dirty secrets might those trials turn up about islamic terrorism and the u.s. government? especially those trials held in civil criminal courts on u.s. soil, covered by the press...

and if that is the reason, maybe terrorism is a very difficult crime to prosecute unless there are huge amounts of direct evidence? so just hold the accused for a year or two, or twenty, until that evidence majically turns up on the prosecutor's desk one day...

and if that isn't the reason why the bush admin. is intentionally avoiding trials, and therefore prosecutions, and therefore justice, maybe it is because the bush admin. and it's supporters really are just a bunch of saddam wanna be's, who think 9-11 is a perfect excuse for doing away with america's "goddamn bill of rights", those rights that the right hates so damn much, and installing in it's place an increasingly authoritarian statist junta which just holds people indefinitely without bothering to go through the trouble of prosecution. a place where everyone is really safe but no one is free. maybe that's the reason...

... because i sure as hell can't figure out any other reasons...

See it on CSPAN 14.Jun.2004 10:07

Carumba!

The text of this message is not a transcript, but appears to be a statement that was released. While very similar to the actual statement as delivered before the committee, there are differences.

 http://www.c-span.org/
Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft Testimony Before Senate Judiciary Cmte. (06/08/2004)

This statement begins about 11 minutes into the video. You can hear his response