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The Government UNDERGROUND: FEMA/military bases itch to be only game in town

The President or the next in line of succession, would take his place in an area there known as the White House. But until then, a FEMA official is performing the function as Mount Weather is now performing the duties of a back-up United States Government. Pollack wrote: "High-level government sources, speaking under the promise of strict anonymity, told me that each of the federal departments (Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, State, Transportation, and the Treasury) represented at Mount Weather is headed by a single person on whom is conferred the rank of a Cabinet-level official. Protocol even demands that subordinates address them as 'Mr. Secretary.' Each of the Mount Weather 'Cabinet members' is apparently appointed by the White House and serves an indefinite term. Many of the 'Secretaries' have held their positions through several administrations."

There are also parallel versions of the Selective Service, the Veteran's Administration, the Federal Communications Commission, the Post Office, the Civil Service Commission, the Federal Power Commission, and the Federal Reserve.
The Government Underground

One of the first publicly revealed underground facilities was the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center. Construction began in May, 1961, and was completed December, 1965. The main tunnel is a third of a mile long and leads to a pair of 25-ton blast doors which are 50 feet apart. Beyond the second door is an underground complex consisting of a 4-1/2 acre area of chambers and tunnels nearly a mile long. The main chamber consists of three areas 45 feet wide, 60 feet high, and 588 feet long, which are intersected by four chambers 32 feet wide, 56 feet high, and 335 feet long. Within the inner complex, there are fifteen free-standing buildings- a one story, a two story, and 11 three-story buildings.

Although the primary source of electricity is the city of Colorado Springs (a back-up power source comes from six 1,750 kilowatt, 2,800 horse-powered diesel generators), it is essentially a self-contained complex in that all the support services necessary to maintain the operation is contained within, such as a dining facility, medical and dental facility, pharmacy, two physical fitness centers, a base exchange, chapel, and a barbershop. Water is stored in four excavated reservoirs (three are for industrial purposes, and the other is the complex's primary domestic water source) which have the potential to store 1.5 million gallons of water.

This underground complex contains facilities for Air Warning (providing aerospace warning and control for North America), Missile Warning Center (for attacks against the United States or U.S. forces overseas), and Space Control Center (to detect, track, identify and catalog all man-made objects orbiting the earth).

During the Cold War, many Federal Relocation Centers were built for the purpose of the "Continuity of Government," to maintain essential government services and emergency functions during any event which affects national security. It had been reported that there was a system of 96 facilities established around Washington, D.C., in what is called the Federal Arc, which are earmarked for critical governmental personnel from specific agencies, and are located in North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania. After 9-11 it was revealed in an ABC television special with Peter Jennings, that there are 19 emergency operating facilities for sheltering federal government officials within 300 miles of Washington. The administrative nerve center for the whole system is Mount Weather.

Mount Weather

On December 1, 1974, a T.W.A. Boeing 727 jet crashed into a foggy mountain in northern Virginia, killing all 92 people onboard, after that, it was discovered that there was a secret government compound nearby called Mount Weather.

Mount Weather (Western Virginia Office of Controlled Conflict Operations) is an 561 acre installation located about 48 miles (by air, and 54 via the roads) west of Washington, and 1,725 feet above sea level, near the town of Bluemont (5 miles northeast), Virginia. As you drive on route 7, west of Leesburg, you'll turn left on Route 601 just west of Bluemont, and that will lead you right to the gates (actual address is 19844 Blue Ridge Mountain Road). In case of an all-encompassing national emergency, a hand-picked list of civilian and military leaders will be taken to this huge underground shelter in order to form the nucleus of a postwar government. It is run under the auspices of FEMA who refer to it as the "special facility," but it is officially called the "Continuity of Government Program."

Mount Weather has been owned by the federal government since 1902, when the 94 acre site was purchased by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. President Coolidge even talked about building a summer White House there. During World War I it was used as an artillery range, and then during the Depression it was used as a work farm for homeless people. The Bureau of Mines began using the site for experiments in 1936. Initiated by the Federal Civil Defense Administration (later known as the Federal Preparedness Agency), construction began in 1954, and was completed on 1959. Eisenhower told the director of Mt. Weather (code-named "High Point"): "I expect your people to save our government."

It was reported that Millard F. Caldwell, former governor of Florida, suggested that it be used as an alternate capital, because it was believed that the fallout shelter beneath the East Wing of the White House (known as the President's Emergency Operation Center) did not offer sufficient protection from a nuclear attack against Washington.

The plan is for the President, and key administration officials to be flown out of Washington on Air Force One, which, at an altitude of 45,000 feet, is said to be safer that any area on the ground, can be refueled in the air, and stay airborne for up to three days when the engine will fail because of lack of oil. They will be taken to Mount Weather.

It is named for the weather station that was formerly maintained on the mountain by the Department of Agriculture. The facility was constructed inside a mountain made of greenstone and striated granite, the 4th hardest rock known to man; the entrance is sealed with a door, similar to that of a bank vault, only much larger; and it is guarded around the clock. There are also about 65 primary buildings on the surface that is part of this complex. There are 403 people there to take care of the needs of the 1,000 to 2,500 that work there everyday, around the clock.

Richard Pollack, a reporter for Progressive Magazine, in the mid-1970's, interviewed a number of people who had been inside the man-made cavern, and revealed that it is an underground city with roads, sidewalks, office buildings, cafeterias, dormitories, medical facilities, a television station, law enforcement unit, fire department, and a battery-powered subway. It is illuminated with fluorescent lighting. It has a spring-fed artificial lake (large enough for water skiing), its own waterworks, a power plant, and one of the most sophisticated computer systems in the world. It even has a chamber for members of Congress to meet. It can support a population of 200 for up to 30 days, although it can accommodate up to 2,000 people. Only the President, his Cabinet, and the Supreme Court would have private sleeping quarters.

The President or the next in line of succession, would take his place in an area there known as the White House. But until then, a FEMA official is performing the function as Mount Weather is now performing the duties of a back-up United States Government. Pollack wrote:

"High-level government sources, speaking under the promise of strict anonymity, told me that each of the federal departments (Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, State, Transportation, and the Treasury) represented at Mount Weather is headed by a single person on whom is conferred the rank of a Cabinet-level official. Protocol even demands that subordinates address them as 'Mr. Secretary.' Each of the Mount Weather 'Cabinet members' is apparently appointed by the White House and serves an indefinite term. Many of the 'Secretaries' have held their positions through several administrations."

There are also parallel versions of the Selective Service, the Veteran's Administration, the Federal Communications Commission, the Post Office, the Civil Service Commission, the Federal Power Commission, and the Federal Reserve.

In 1975, Senator John Tunney (D-CA) made the accusation that Mount Weather had records on more than 100,000 Americans, and a computer system that gave them access to detailed information on virtually every American. He said they were "out of control."

In 1975, General Leslie Bray, director of the Federal Preparedness Agency (which became FEMA as a result of Executive Order 12148 on July 20, 1979, who also took over the duties and responsibilities of the Defense Civil Preparedness Agency and Federal Disaster Assistance Administration), told the Senate that Mount Weather has extensive files on "military installations, government facilities, communications, transportation, energy and power, agriculture, manufacturing, wholesale and retail services, manpower, financial, medical and educational institutions, sanitary facilities, population, housing shelter, and stockpiles." Bray also told the Senate that the list of those chosen to go there in the event of an emergency had 6,500 names on it. All those on the list have a photo I.D. card with the following inscription: "The person described on this card has essential emergency duties with the Federal Government. Request full assistance and unrestricted movement be afforded the person to whom this card is issued."

In 1961 (Cuban Missile Crisis), 1963 (JFK assassination), and 2001 (September 11th terrorist attacks), the facility was activated to assume governmental responsibilities.

Raven Rock

At Raven Rock Mountain, at the 4,667 acre Raven Rock State Park in Franklin County (near Fountain Dale), on Blue Ridge Summit, is an Alternate Joint Communications Center (AJCC) simply known as 'Site R' (for Raven Rock) or 'The Rock,' which is just over the state line near Waynesboro, PA. It is about 6 miles north of the Presidential retreat of Camp David in Catoctin Mountains near Thurmont (MD), and it is believed by some to be connected with it via a tunnel. In 1950, President Truman approved the 716 acres as part of Camp Albert C. Ritchie in Maryland. Construction began in 1950, and it became operational in 1953. It came under the auspices of Fort Detrick (MD) when Fort Ritchie closed in September, 1998, as part of the 1995 Base Realignment and Closure Act. Because of its 'back-up' status, it is known as the 'underground Pentagon.' It is actually a duplicate of the Pentagon's Command and Control Center, and was used by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz during the September 11th terrorist attacks. It provides computer services, functions as a disaster recovery site, and oversees over 38 communications systems.

The 260,000 square foot facility lies 650 feet beneath the 1,529 foot summit, and can be accessed by 4 tunnels, which is secured by a chain link fence.

There are five buildings within the complex- with at least three of them being 3-story structures. Inside this massive bunker, which can accommodate 3000 people, there is an underground reservoir containing millions of gallons of water, fluorescent lighting, medical/dental facilities, dining facilities, a fitness center, a convenience store (Post exchange), a barber shop, a chapel, 35 miles of phone lines, and six 1,000-watt generators.

In 2002, in a Department of Defense briefing, in response to a question as to why $74 billion needed to be allocated for upgrades to the facility for power, cooling, and staff accommodation, it was revealed that "... it fits into the overall continuity of government plans."

According to the 1994 U.S. Army Military Police publication Physical Security of the Alternate Joint Communications Center they reference a location known as 'Site Creed' which is the "limited area on the west side of the AJCC with an underground building complex." Highly secured, most personnel at 'Site R' did not even know it existed. It is a Presidential Emergency Facility (PEF) that is code-named the "Lucy and Desi Suite."

Greenbrier Facility

Code-named "Project Greek Island," (and sometimes "Casper") only a half-dozen members of Congress, at any one time, knew of its existence. On Sunday, May 31, 1992, an article by Ted Gup, a Washington correspondent for Time magazine, appeared in the Washington Post (pg. W-11), which revealed that this secret 112,000 square foot facility was located under and beside the Greenbrier Resort Hotel, which is located on 6,500 acres in the Allegheny Mountains in White Sulpher Springs in West Virginia. About 250 miles from Washington D.C., it is an hour away by plane.

The luxury hotel actually looks like the White House. In the winter of 1941-42, it served as an internment area for Japanese, Italian, and German diplomats. In 1949, Secretary of Defense Louis Johnson held a meeting there with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretaries of the Army, Air Force and Navy for a "top-secret discussion of postwar military strategy." In 1956, Eisenhower had an international meeting there with the leaders of Canada and Mexico.

In 1960, when they began work on their new West Virginia Wing (which contains a complete medical clinic), the Greenbrier website indicates that the "top secret relocation center for the U.S. Congress" was constructed underneath. It was completed 2-1/2 years later. Supposedly deactivated, there are actually public tours of the "former government relocation facility" now.

Its purpose was to house the Congress in the event of a nuclear attack. It has an area for the Senate, House, and a large hall for joint sessions. According to former House Speaker Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill, who received an annual briefing about the site, spouses would not be allowed in during a nuclear event.

The relocation center's largest room is actually part of the Wing's design. It is 89 by 186 feet, and has a 20 foot high ceiling supported by 18 huge columns. It is now called the Exhibition Hall, and is used for conference events. It has a vehicular, as well as pedestrian entrance, both of which can be sealed off quickly by blast doors hidden behind a false wall. To hotel guests, it appears only to be a very large room. However, its purpose is for joint sessions of Congress.

Behind the hall is a 470-seat auditorium for the House of Representative and a 130-seat auditorium for the Senate. Not too far from these areas is a large white door leading to a corridor about 20 yards long, which culminates with a locked door, and a sign that says: "Danger: High Voltage Keep Out."

Beyond that is an underground installation having 2 foot thick concrete walls reinforced with steel, and a concrete roof under 20 feet of dirt; and contains an infirmary with an operating table, hundreds of metal bunk beds, a shower room, numerous offices, a television studio, radio and communications room, dining room, an internal power plant (with two 2-story high diesel generators); and a "pathological waste incinerator," or cremation oven, which would be used to dispose of bodies, because once the doors are sealed, they can not be opened again until the crisis has passed. A tunnel for vehicles was constructed through the hill to a secret location at the rear of the property which easily accesses Route 60 and a railroad.

The facility was connected, via an underground cable, to a microwave communications outpost at nearby Kates Mountain Road, in the Greenbrier State Forest.

Though this facility is said to be decommissioned, my feeling is that the Government didn't spend millions of dollars on such a facility for it not to be used.

Mount Pony

Mount Pony, east of Culpeper, Virginia, near the intersection of Routes 658 and 3, about 70 miles southwest of Washington, is a 20-1/2 acre site, which contains a 140,000 square foot underground facility with a 400 foot long bunker built of steel reinforced concrete a foot thick and covered with 2 to 4 feet of dirt. It was built in 1969 as a "Continuity of Government" facility and operated by the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, where 7 computers became the central point for all American electronic fund transfers. It is self-sustaining, with its own wells, power system, electrical generator, indoor pistol range, incinerator, maintenance shops, cafeteria and storage for water and fuel. It was able to house 540 people for 30 days.

Until 1988, it stored several billion dollars of currency that would be used "to replenish currency supplies east of the Mississippi," and reactivate the economy after a nuclear attack, including a large quantity of $2 bills, in its 23,500 square foot vault with ceilings over 11 feet high, which were shrink-wrapped and stacked on pallets 9 feet high.

It was decommissioned in July, 1992, and in 1997, Congress approved its transfer to the Library of Congress who is using use the installation to protect its collection of 150,000 movies and recordings.

Warrenton Training Center

The Warrenton Training Center (WTC) was initially established in June, 1951, and is believed to contain an underground relocation center for an unknown Federal Agency. According to a report on the Environmental Protection Agency website, the WTC is identified as a "closed and classified communications training and support facility of the National Communications System." The NCS was established in 1963 by President Kennedy to coordinate intra-government communications between 23 Federal Agencies (including U.S. Information Agency and Postal Service), as well as the State Department and CIA.

In June, 1973 it was transferred to the Department of the Army, and redesignated as the U.S. Army Training Group and U.S. Army Security Agency. In September, 1982, it was placed under the auspices of the Defense Department.

The WTC encompasses four sites all secured by a chain link fence. There are 2 underground facilities (Site A and B), on Vinetree Mountain, which some say are connected by a tunnel, because they are only a couple of miles apart.

Site A is at the intersection of Routes 802 and 744, southwest of Warrenton, Virginia. It seems to be the only place where training actually occurs, and contains several small buildings in a heavily wooded area.

Site B is on top of the mountain at Bear Wallow Road on Route 690, and is about 2 miles northwest of Warrenton. Located on 346 acres, this is the official headquarters for the WTC. It has many multi-story buildings, many built in the late 1980's, and is nearly impossible to see from any publicly accessible areas. Its facilities include 2 microwave towers, a large water tank, the Brushwood Conference center, and a pond. There is testimony attesting to the fact that it contains underground facilities. It is part of a fiber optic system that runs from Site C and D, and connects to other intelligence outposts for Washington like Site E, the microwave station in Tysons Corner, Virginia.

These two are code-named "Yogurt" and "Byjams."

Site C, code-named "Brandy," because of the nearby town Brandy Station, is a few miles southeast of Remington on Routes 651 and 654, and has a lot of high frequency antennas, including several directional antennas.

These 3 sites are located in Fauquier County.

Site D is located at Routes 669 and 672, just north of State Route 3, in Culpeper County, 10 miles east of Culpeper, Virginia. It also has a lot of antennas, though fewer of them are high frequency. There is more activity here, and the buildings are larger.

Some Other Underground Facilities in the Federal Arc

The Office of Emergency Preparedness (OEP, now known as FEMA) built a 'hardened' (protected against nuclear attack) underground facility in 1971 at 5231 Riggs Road (Gaithersburg), near junction of Routes 97 and 108, beneath a cow pasture, in Montgomery County, MD, between Olney and Laytonsville. It is entered by a staircase from a small surface building, although there is a horizontal entrance that is used to unload freight. The Federal Regional Center at the Olney Special Facility had served as the Alternate National Warning Center (contained a National Civil Defense Computer system) and was one of two centers (the other being at the North American Aerospace Defense Command or NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain) that would issue a warning in case of a nuclear attack on the United States. It was believed by some to be at least 10 levels deep, however the report of 2 levels seems to be more realistic. It takes up an area of 65,000 square feet. With the Warning Center supposedly transferred to Thomasville, Georgia, it now serves as a Satellite Teleregistration Facility, along with other Regional Centers.

There was a bunker located under the north lawn of the National Park Service's Stephen P. Mather Training Center (formerly Storer College) off Fillmore Street in Harper's Ferry, Virginia. It was to be the emergency relocation center (ERC) for the Department of Interior. Containing only pedestrian access, the door is set into a retaining wall adjacent to the driveway. The facility is now used by the NPS Interpretive Design Center.

There is an abandoned bunker, code-named "Cannonball," on top of Cross Mountain in Franklin County, near the town of Shimpstown, PA (south of Mercersburg), that served as a FEMA V.I.P. Evacuation and Support Center. It is a 103 foot high cylindrical tower, that is 25 foot in diameter, with reinforced concrete walls 15 inches thick. The tower, accessed through a blast door on its side at ground level, contained microwave communications equipment, and served as a microwave relay station. It is believed to have one underground level, which is now flooded. The site also contains an 8,000 gallon fuel tank.

A similar looking facility, part of the same network of facilities, known as a V.I.P. Evacuation and Support facility (code-named "Corkscrew"), is located at Boonesboro, Maryland, between Middletown and Rohersville, on the spine of South Mountain, called Lambs Knoll. On Reno Mountain Road, near the monument of the Civil War officer (Reno), there is an unmarked black-topped service road (marked "Private") that leads to the gate of this installation and around to the back of a silo-like structure, where, a short distance away, is a metal door below ground level. There are no other visible surface structures, which makes it obvious that its facilities are underground. It is fenced in, not marked with any signs, and has an unmanned electric gate. On the grounds there are a couple of collapsible antenna masts and fire tower, and an AT&T relay tower. On the USGS map it is referred to as a fire tower and helipad; while local people refer to it as a missile site, missile silo, weather station, radar site or atmospheric test facility. It is not only a microwave relay station; it is also a complete Presidential Emergency Facility (PEF) which contains a 2-level underground circular bunker (it is divided into wedge-shaped rooms like a pie) about 100 feet in diameter.

Another underground FEMA V.I.P. Evacuation and Support Facility has been identified at Hearthstone Mountain, west of Hagerstown, MD. One of 60 (20 are underground 'hardened' installations) built around the country, it housed an AUTOVON (Automatic Voice Network) center, terrestrial microwave links and troposcatter radio equipment. They were typically large, multi-level installations built to withstand a nuclear attack, with walls 1-1/2 feet thick, and shielded with copper to repel electromagnetic pulse. There is a decontamination chamber and internal filtering system, power generators (with fuel storage), bunks, medical supplies, and enough food to accommodate a staff of 30 for about three weeks. This site is said to be abandoned.

Other Underground FEMA Facilities

During the 1950's, it was reported that there was a large underground facility underneath the AT&T building in downtown Santa Rose, California, which was believed to have tunnels extending a couple miles away to a nearby military base. In 1992, about 15 miles southeast of Santa Rosa, in the mountains near the Napa and Sonoma County line, another underground facility was built. Investigated by the Napa Sentinel, they were told by officials at Travis Air Force Base and Hamilton AFB, that it was to be a FEMA base. There is a large microwave transmitter there.

East of Santa Rosa, in a remote area of Napa, in Oakville, near the top of the mountain, is the Oakville Grade Facility, which is another secret underground installation that is part of the Continuity of Government system. Constructed of reinforced steel, it replaced other sites which were located in Benicia, and an old railway tunnel in Ukiah.

The first concrete reinforced underground FEMA Federal Regional Center (FRC) in the country (representing Region VI and states of Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas) was constructed on a 20 acre parcel of land in Denton, Texas (800 North Loop 288). The FRC for Region X (Alaska, Idaho, Oregon, Washington) is an underground office facility located in a refurbished decommissioned Nike missile site in Bothell, Washington (130 228th Street SW). The FRC complex for Region I (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts) is at 63 (Bldg. A) and 65 (Bldg. B) on Old Marlboro Road, in Maynard, MA (Middlesex County), and has an underground facility containing 2 levels. The FRC for Region IV (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Tennesse) in Thomasville, Georgia is located on a 38 acre site, and is a 37,734 square foot underground facility that was built in the early 1970's. It has its own independent water, power and support systems, as well as a telecommunications center.

The FRC for Region VIII (Colorado, Montana, N. Dakota, S. Dakota, Utah, Wyoming) is located at the Denver Federal Center (accessed through Gate 1 at W. 6th Avenue and Kipling Street in Lakewood, CO). During World War II, a 2,080 acre area west of Denver was the site of the Denver Ordnance Plant, which produced ammunition for the war. Afterwards, the Government kept 690 acres, which became the single largest concentration of federal offices outside of Washington, DC. In 1963, the FEMA center was located in building 50, with a 96 foot by 22 foot Quonset-type (corrugated steel structure with arched ribs) bunker submerged in the ground west of it. In 1969 they moved to building 710, a self-contained, two-level underground installation that can provide working and living space for 300 government personnel for up to 30 days. It is accessed through a lobby that protrudes from the earth, and beyond the blast door is a command center, offices, reception area, living area (male and female dormitories with 3-tier bunk beds, pantry, dining facilities, lockers, restrooms, and showers) and communications center (with computers, high frequency radios, ham radio, and a 10,000 watt transmitter which is protected against electromagnetic pulse, lightning and electrical surge). It can operate independently of public utilities, has a main and back-up generators, an 800 foot well, and a 5,000 gallon water tank. A 40 acre antenna field contains 10 above-ground, and 2 buried antenna (which can be raised to the surface in the event the others are damaged).

Because these installations were constructed during the Cold War, when there was a constant threat of nuclear attack, their locations were kept a highly-guarded secret. The information I outlined on the FEMA installations within the Federal Arc is all that is known about the facilities near the seat of power in Washington- which means there are many others. In addition, because officials from Washington could be anywhere in the country on a given day, it is necessary to have underground facilities around the country. For instance, when the terrorist attacks occurred on September 11th President Bush was at an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida. With the skies being a very dangerous place, his plane redirected to Offutt Air Force Base, outside Omaha, Nebraska, where he was taken to a blast-proof bunker beneath a tiny brick building. So, basically there are probably a lot of underground facilities around the country. Besides serving as Emergency Relocation Centers, there are also regional installations for FEMA operations, as well as bunkers that are used for military purposes.

Although it is not known how many are still operational, most likely a lot of them are. Again, just like the detention centers, there is a list available on the internet of underground installations throughout the country. Though I would love to reproduce the list here, I struggled with the fact that, for the most part, these lists are not totally accurate.

It is admitted that most of these underground facilities would not be able withstand the direct hit of a nuclear blast, which is why the secrecy of their locations was so important. However, were their primary purpose to really be functional bomb shelters? It's safe to say that billions of dollars were spent to build these installations within a twenty-year period. It's almost as if government officials were expecting our country to be totally decimated. I believe there was a secondary reason for their construction. In a time of martial law, they will be able to protect Government officials from any sort of paramilitary attack from the citizenry. No matter what is happening on the surface, they will be able to run the country and direct events from below.

Wow! 03.Jun.2004 02:00


"I believe there was a secondary reason for their construction. In a time of martial law, they will be able to protect Government officials from any sort of paramilitary attack from the citizenry. No matter what is happening on the surface, they will be able to run the country and direct events from below."

That was an amazing amount of info you put up there only to end it with a bizarrely ridiculous, paranoid conclusion. Obviously, these locations were constructed for continuity of government in light of a possible cold war (or other) attack. As far as a paramilitary attack from the citizenry? Get real - what threat do you think can't be "controlled" by US armed forces. You? Maybe with some neighbors armed with shotguns? Trust me, the government isn't afraid of the sheep. Don't believe me? Just try to launch a paramilitary revolt and see what happens - that's if you don't "disappear" after posting your on the Internet or a neighbor turns you in. I know it feels good to assume such empowerment - but folks like you need to grow up if anyone is ever going to make a difference. Sheesh.

to neon 03.Jun.2004 06:41

government does fear insurrection

"Get real - what threat do you think can't be "controlled" by US armed forces?"

Good question, Neon. How about the threat of Iraqi insurgents? The US armed forces don't seem so good at "controlling" them. You are a troll, put in place to disempower the people, by spreading the bullshit myth of military omnipotence. That myth is the primary psy-op, keeping people in check by making them feel hopeless and powerless. It's really not true. When the people realize the military and government have no right, and no ability, to control them, THEN change will be possible. We are not sheep, you asshole.

Of course the US government fears an all-out insurrection by the people. No, the military is not prepared or capable of "controlling" such an revolt. And these facilities, originally designed to survive nuke war, could of course be used to hide government during such an insurrection. Where do you think Cheney went during 9/11?

Neon, go back to your supremacist website, idiot! 03.Jun.2004 07:06


Who now has the capacity to make the devils we have for leaders hunker down and hide uder their rocks? No one because the Amerikkan people sure as hell do not but that is still their greatest fear - and it should be, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm still waiting 03.Jun.2004 12:17


For all you "big talkers" to do something. Where's your revolution? Been waiting for years and all I see are these posts. Folks sure talk a good fight in cyberspace. I don't see any of YOU going against the military. That's because you don't have the heart (or the guts) of the Iraqis who KNOW what it is to not have anything else to lose. You just keep typing at that computer, now. Ya hear?

There are more of Us 03.Jun.2004 14:07

than there are of them

The people of Spain after their terrorist attack went into the streets angry and demanding their government do their will not the will of the global elite. That many people out in the streets angry and knowing that they have been played by their governmnent is a spontaneous and therefore unpredictable danger to these cowards.

The people of the US are asleep but that is for now. What it will take to wake them up and how the masses will act spontaneously is the danger they are so anxiously preparing for.

DUMBs (deep underground military bases) & Schneider 03.Jun.2004 18:47


There's a lot more to these DUMBs (deep underground military bases) than what is printed above. The late Phil Schneider said that they are all over the world and that in at least every one of the United States 50 states, there are 2 very very very deep underground military bases, where horrific things go on that only Nazi germany can compare to. A NATO retiree--who took the whole geology staff with him when he went in a group protest at what he had found out--he was murdered within 6 months of finally going public with this information. They tried to get him back many times, and he refused. He turns down a million dollar pension PER YEAR. Stil refuses. Then, they finally kill him after about 15+ times.

He was killed in 1995. The book he was planning to publish and the manuscript, the notes, and materials he had accumulated were entirely cleaned out of his apartment without anyone knowing who did it.

However, several recording of his talks were made in that time have been made available on CD. If you want an insider's view of the international military crime organization, you have to know about Phil Schneider's "last message" as it is called. Schneider was on the pulse of it all, get it from an insider.

see some at this website:

Well 03.Jun.2004 23:51


This is utter nonsense :

"... spouses would not be allowed in during a nuclear event."

So is this :

"... once the doors are sealed, they can not be opened again until the crisis has passed."

And this :

"... several billion dollars of currency that would be used "to replenish currency supplies east of the Mississippi," and reactivate the economy after a nuclear attack ..."

Wonder how anyone gets to publish pretty specific information, like full official names and code names, about top secret sites?

Not that there is any doubt that underground facilities exist, that $billions were spent on them, that corporations who made obscene profits on for example canned excrement called MREs made even more which was never accounted, and that some people actually think these facilities will save their sorry asses.

However, this acticle has no credibility.

great article! 15.Jun.2004 10:23

steam dragon

As someone who has spent some time in a couple of these sites (in Corkscrew particularly) I can tell you that the author did their homework and that all the information about these "sites" is correct, and at least was, top secret. I once asked the operator on a closed, secure phone system to connect me to site X. I recieved a stern lecture for using the code name of the site over the (secure) phone. Corkscrew does have a relatively nice area for the prez. The rest of it is cold and not very comfortable.

By the way, Raven Rock and Camp David are not connected by a tunnel (nor are the White house and Camp David).

what's in the game? 23.Jun.2004 00:25

Y factor Y

Is the point actually to revolt against the U.S. military, per se, as a collective sub-entity of government? Or to provoke a civil war betwixt all insubordinating factions of separate griefs? Does EVERYONE want someone else to blame, and thus to kill, kill, kill? Conspiracies abound, but does anyone have cause to think that maybe infiltration of our regime comes from its own doubling, painful insides? There are those members who've signed on for a different reason than the mindless millie groupies, even if they don't know it yet. It's an interesting thought, I believe...

For Steam Dragon 05.Jul.2004 22:24

Albert LaFrance lafrance@att.net


I did some of the original research on CORKSCREW and CANNONBALL (CARTWHEEL, too!), as well as the AT&T hardened troposcatter stations (Hearthstone Mountain, etc.), and would be very interested in hearing about your experiences at those facilities.

My web sites:
 http://coldwar-c4i.net (Cold War infrastructure)
 http://long-lines.net (former AT&T Long Lines microwave and cable networks)


Albert LaFrance

DUMB sites 10.Aug.2004 14:25

made up name

Most of the site information is accurate. I would like to see a link to the list of other websites showing other alleged facilities. With a little homework and perhaps a field trip (to help pass the retirement) we can judge for ourselves which ones are accurate or not. The idea the sites were built to hide a secret government that hides from it's own people is silly. The sites were built to keep American leaders alive just long enough to give an order to hit back at the Soviets after the nukes started going off. I have been in some of them and let me say they are highly over rated. The attention paid to their maintenance was minimal. Dripping water, cracks in walls, dead lights, expired cases of MREs and LRRPs, doors shifted out of plumb, etc. were not uncommon in several I have been in. One of the little noticed stories in the post 911 was how some of the remote command centers couldn't communicate with DC. Some of the hidden bunkers had old IBM 390 mainframes and 486 PCs running Windows 3.1. The joy of learning even the spreadsheets needed new machines. Tube based Collins radios incapable of newer frequencies, etc. Major funding was needed to buy new PCs and upgrade. When Series V pentiums come around, want to bet the command bunkers never see them for ten years?

There was a story going around some circles during the J. Carter years. Seems the Secret Service wanted to test the system one day. So they faked an alert. The first problem was no one had tipped off the helicoptor crews. The Marine pilot who was supposed to be standing by in case, since he did not know a drill was coming, had left his hanger and went for coffee. Just like he always did at that time of the day. There was a 45 minute wait for the pilot. The real fun began at Mt. Weather. There they thought the alert was real. When the helicoptor didn't show up at the specified time the FPA/FEMA guards who were (in theory) supposed to stand on the helicoptor pad waiting for whichever came first, the air burst, a Spetznaz team of commandoes, or the Presidential helicoptor, decided to go in the bunker. They went inside secured the blast doors and sealed the bunker. When the chopper arrived the guards refused to come out. They believed Spetznaz troops had captured the facility and it took two days for them to open the doors and come out to be fired.