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Oregon's Mail-In-Ballots "safe & secure" in the computer hands of DIEBOLD and ES&S?

What?

You mean to tell me ... you didn't know that our Republican/G.W.Bush luv'in (i.e. major conflict of interest!) buddies over at DIEBOLD and ES&S own the Oregon Elections Division voter verification software and Mail-In-(paper)Ballot tallying machines?

What?

You thought that Oregon elections were safe and secure from the companies responsible for the nefarious private corporate clutches of the likes of DIEBOLD and ES&S?

What?

You thought that DIEBOLD and ES&S only made "Touch Screen" voting machines? The same Touch Screen machines that are "alledgedly" (so far...) suspected of electronically rigging past elections and devoid of any form of voter verified paper trail?

Well, guess again ...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.eff.org/
http://www.eff.org/
http://www.votersunite.org/
http://www.votersunite.org/
Hey... don't feel so bad. I didn't know, myself, until yesterday, that is...


Yesterday, I had the enlightening oportunity to Observe the Clackamas County elections office vote tallying/verifying process. The interesting point that I want to make is not regarding Clackamas County alone, but, rather, as a part of a larger whole -- of all elections offices, in all counties, in all of Oregon under the jurisdiction of the State Elections Office.

The new machines we use to count our paper ballots in Oregon Elections Offices are built by ES&S and the new software in their computers is writen by DIEBOLD. I do not want to make inflamatory accusations, however, my observations (and frightfully seeing "DIEBOLD's" name on every header of every computer program and "ES&S" right on the rear panel of the large paper ballot machines) yesterday, has me asking pertinant questions about the machines and computer software that are entrusted with our Mail-In-Ballots. RIGHT HERE! RIGHT NOW! In our very own county elections offices in the towns in which we all live. The Touch Screen voting machines, perhaps, are not, yet, here... however, I (for one) am feeling very uneasy and have (my own) misgivings about these two nefariously companies and their alledged vote tampering practices and known pledged support of the Banana Republican party and the pResident Select G.W.Shrub et cabal.

Hey... this is just a question, but...

Do you suppose there is a chance that these companies could electronically alter the votes from our "safe" (exuse me... MY ASS!) and "secure" (you bet'cha... NOT!) Mail-In paper ballots? Nahhhhh! Our elections officials are far tooooo impartial, and (just dang) upstanding, and (gosh) truthful, and (darn it) they take the boyscout/girlscout oath, tooooo! Right???? Don't they?

I mean (shucks!) these folks would never have an agenda other than making sure that we have good, clean, fair, wholesome (hold-on, I think that I'm going to be sick...), impartial vote counting, so that all of Oregon (OK, here is the part where we eat apple pie and wave our Amerikan flags) can sleep soundly, knowing that (of course) DIEBOLD/ES&S are good American private companies looking sell an honest product on the capitalistic "free" market and our public officials always look out for and protect our better collective public interests... (give your best PollyAnna smile/deer caught-in-the-headlights look) RIGHT!

I DON'T BUY IT! It just doesn't fly with me.


The Elections Manager (Darlene) asured me that they gaurantee "equal" party representation throughout all of the PAID/volunteer staff that handle -- and (by-the-way) "guess" the "intent" of the voter -- paper Mail-In ballots. Not to forward an "age-ist" view, by they were MOST all well into retirement age. Why do I make such an insensitive observation??? How do people of our elderly populations tend to overwhelmingly lean their voting locust and descisions? I dunno? Golly, I guess, a little bit conservative? Just maybe? Does this construct in-and-of-itself sound representative of our society as a whole? Where do they hire their staff? Do you think that they might try recruiting from the colleges and universities? The activist community, perhaps? Regardless where they find their pool of help... does that pool really reflect a good representation of our society as a whole? I don't think so! I am 40 years old and I don't feel represented by a conservative pool of people that are going to decide my voter intent. If you happen to be a new 18 year old voter, in your twenties or thirties... Does this make you feel secure knowing that you are not represented at that table?

Here is another point of contention on the representation issue. Say, I am the member of a third party... say, it's the Pacific Green or the Socialist or Liberatarian party...
Is my vote represented at that table, if the only people sitting there are (presumably) Democrat or (more seemingly) Republican? Is there a reason that third party representation was not present at the tables of each four workers? Wouldn't election day make for a prime oportunity to involve the youth of this country, of this state, of our counties and prospective communities in the workings of the elections system? If the youth were involved... would there not be less apathy and more involvement? Does it not follow that our youth would feel like they would be valued in our society and that they could see the workings of the political system and effect a change? Would this not get our youth (at least for a day) off the streets of dispair and give them some hope for instituting some kind of change in which they have a hand in? We force our youth to "volunteer" for selective service and the possiblity of one day having to be indoctrinated into the war machine through a draft, but this same youth is never selected for service into a democracy that very narrowly ignores and neglects their political involvment. Our youth are stripped of the tools of democracy by not being aquainted with their existence.

I am leaning toward saying that this stagnant pattern of exclusive democracy is less than representative and anything but resembling democracy. And the fact that these two election machine making (legalized private monopoly) corporations are exclusively handling our Oregon Mail-In ballots, doesn't help to allay my growing cynicism and skepticism in the entire electoral process.
ES&S is cause for worry 19.May.2004 16:36

green1

We should be concerned about the ES&S vote scan machine that Multnomah County and other counties throughout the state and country use. For more information about who owns these machines, go to: www.madcowproductions.com. There is information about the investigation into who owns the machines and links to how to get a video documentary on the subject. As to who is opening the secrecy envelopes, the mostly retired folks who are manning the elections stations--it may be difficult to get others to do this job, as it is during normal work hours, and of course retired people are more available for those time slots. An important question is who has access to the voting machine software---the supervisor at the Mult. Co. elections office says to ask the Secretary of State, so that seems like the next step in getting some accountability into our vote system here. I think the bottom line is that we can never really be certain if our votes are counted the way we intend them to be with these voting machines. In the old days, and in Canada today, where votes are counted by hand, even though there may be some problems, it is a much more accountable system.

I thought oregon machines 19.May.2004 18:04

concerned citizen

Were all Sequoia... Well, time to do some more research. Hey, and how about we figure out how to get a citizen's recount of the paper ballots? We have a paper trail but it's useless if we don't know how to use it.

my vote chaste 19.May.2004 18:14

disenfranchised

"Worried about computerized democracy? You should be. You may have
already voted in 2004 — they just haven't yet told you whom you voted
for. Bev Harris gives you the real skinny on the Gatesification of our
ballot box."

— Greg Palast

Author, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy"

This is ridiculous 20.May.2004 08:49

somebody DO something!

The question is....what are we going to do about it??

"It's hard to tell - I'm predicting between 49 and 50 percent because it's so close now," Newingham said. "By the time we finish processing the `problem' ballots and getting results back from the other counties where we share items on the ballot, we just might be over half."
 http://www.registerguard.com/news/2004/05/19/a1.prezprimwrap.0519.html

I don't know if this person was talking about 50% voter turnout but I read that Oregon had about 25% voter turnout so did they throw half of the ballots out?

"The election office also has several wandlike tools used to pre-scan ballots for problems"

What is the wand for exactly?

Is there anyone who could pursue this in Oregon and find out how many ballots were tossed out? Dennis predicted problems with the ballots a few weeks ago.

With the proven problems with diebold, why are we accepting that Kerry is our nominee? Did everyone hear about how bad the primary was in Cali? We should go to the DNC this summer and DEMAND an open convention. WE don't believe diebold, we want the people to decide.