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The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing questions about the Bush admin and 9-11

a book i recently discovered. Its by Prof David Griffin, and is a carefully reasoned synthesis of some of the best investigations into 9-11 by people like Thierry Meyssan, Gerard Holmgren and Paul Thompson.
Below are some reviews of this book:


Reviewer: Dhouma Gupta Boobsies (see more about me) from Owls Head, Maine
Were the attacks of September the 11th the daring exploits of crazed Muslims seeking to deliver a fatal blow to the economic engine of the United States? Or were they a carefully crafted plan among elite insiders within the Bush Administration to kick start a war and invigorate a new American Imperium?

Both radical Muslims and Bush insiders (Neocons) have reasons to want a larger war, a "clash of civilizations," but did Muslims really have the means to carry out such a large terrorist operation while eluding the prying eyes of the NSA, CIA, foreign intelligence, and the FBI? David Griffin takes the details of 9/11 apart a piece at a time, looks it over, and comes to the conclusion that the standard storyline about Muslims hijackers simply strains credulity. In fact, I think most people have very little knowledge of the precise events of 9/11 and have too quickly and naively bought the government storyline. If there were a real investigation into the events of 9/11 it would not start with the premise of how did Arab hijackers get away with it, but were Arab hijackers really part of the story at all?

Why were the response times to the first hijacked airline, AA flight 11, so slow? We knew that the flight was hijacked by 8:18 a.m., but the Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m., well over an hour later. Why were fighters not scrambled to protect the air space of New York and Washington D.C.? Did someone give orders for the fighters to "stand-down" or was it just bungling incompetence? Even if we concede there was a collapse in normal protocol, what tranformed pitiful Arab pilots into top gun showmen? The hijacker, Hanji Hanjour, who crashed flight 77 into the Pentagon was engaging in aerial manuevers that would bedazzle the best fighter pilots. Radio operator at Dulles, Danielle O'Brien, first thought Flight 77 was a US military aircraft heading to protect D.C. based on its speed and aerial acrobatics. The flight then descends 7000 feet and acts as if it's starting a landing approach, except it's moving at 450 mph, when it crashed perfectly into the lower wall of the Pentagon. Can a pilot who cannot land a Cesna align a Boeing 757 to perfectly impact the Pentagon, leaving the lawn in pristine condition?

Even if it's conceded that both towers could collapse solely due to the impact of two large Boeings, what brought down WTC7? The FEMA report was inconclusive, but owner, Larry Silverstein, in a PBS documentary, said he made the decision to "pull it." This is a frank admission, and suggests there were bombs already in WTC7 long before 9/11. Of course this also raises the possibility that there were also bombs, C-4 explosives, in the two world trade towers.

The Neocons in the Bush Administration have long sought a greater war with Islam, and believe it's paramount that America assume its role as the new Imperium. These ideas first began to germinate during the first Bush Administration when Paul Wolfowitz, now assistant Sec. of Dec, wrote a memo proposing a new strategy for American foreign policy: to prevent the emergenge of any new rival. Then we have a 1996 Foreign Affairs essay written by Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan arguing for a "benevolent global hegemony." In 1997 Bill Kristol formed a new think tank, Project for the New American Century, where the infamous essay Rebuilding America's Defenses called for incrases in defense spending, a new American cavalery to police the world, the development of space weapons, unilateralism, but the observation that this "tranformation" would require another "catastrophic and catalyzing event, like another Pearl Harbor." They got their wish.

It might be easier to think that only radical Muslims could carry out such a bloodthirsty attack, but evidence clearly shows the Neocons also have a motive and have benefitted from the terrorist attack. Before the ruins even finished smouldering we had Neocons like Norman Podhoretz writing essays entitled How to Win World War IV.

Griffin's book really eviscerates the mainstream story about 9/11, but another book needs to complement the information in this book with one that highlights neocon perfidy. At the end of the day, there is a good case to be made that the 19 hijackers were not suicidal Arab pilots, but key administrators who continue to walk the halls of power in the Bush Administration.

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Reviewer: gsluss from Valley Center, CA USA
Essential Reading!
Book Review by Dr. Gerald H. Slusser, Valley Center, CA.

A new book written by David Ray Griffin, a professor of theology at Claremont School of theology, raises significant and pungent questions about the involvement of the Bush administration in the tragedy now known as 9/11. This book reads like a fine detective novel. Nonetheless, its author has done his research very carefully and it is in the marshalling of the evidence that the suspense is created. It is difficult to overestimate the importance of this book in bringing to our attention facts that challenge any attempt of the administration to explain away its responsibility, or even complicity, in the events of 9/11. Whatever you now think of the Bush administration and its handling of 9/11., this book is must, essential reading because it presents in careful, scholarly manner facts that have to be dealt with in any further analysis of the 9/11 tragedy and its aftermath, the war on terrorism.
Griffin begins with a detailed account of the events of 9/11, which he says constitute "the strongest evidence provided by critics of the official account". At 8:46 AM, one hijacked airliner hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Seventeen minutes later, at 9:03, another crashed into the South Tower. Then at 9:38, forty-six minutes after the first event, something hit the Pentagon. The standard procedure for dealing with hijacked airplanes calls for the Air Force to scramble jet fighters immediately and to escort these planes to an airfield and, if they do not comply, to shoot them down. The standard procedure was not followed; why? There was adequate time for such interceptions, but the orders were not given when they could have been.
There are further questions as to whether it was possible for the airplanes crashing into the WTC to have caused two towers to collapse and a third building, which was not hit and was over a hundred yards distant, also to collapse. The towers were steel-framed buildings and no buildings of this type have ever collapsed due to fire. The theory advanced is that the airplanes had so much fuel aboard that the fire was enormous---enough to soften the steel girders. Analysis of this possibility was quickly made impossible by gathering up all the steel and selling it as scrap overseas. Further evidence cited makes a good case for the towers having been brought down by demolition bombs carefully placed within the buildings. Seismic evidence suggesting such explosions was recorded by local laboratories.
There are also some very curious facts regarding the hit on the Pentagon. Qualified witnesses said that what they saw was some sort of aircraft [or missile] observed on radar at 7000 feet above the Pentagon. This craft then made a spiral descending turn of about 360 degrees descending to ground level in two and one-half minutes, to strike the Pentagon. Experienced air traffic controllers said they believed it to have been some sort of military plane. On-site evidence suggests that it was not a Boeing 757, but a missile or guided fighter jet that actually crashed into the building. Also, the part that was hit was an area under repair in which there were few military officials working. The damage that was suffered by the building was entirely too small to have been the result of the impact of a 757 plane. For your own sense on this matter, check out the photos shown on "Hunt the Boeing. Test Your Perceptions", found at: www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
Griffin puts forward ample evidence that the Bush administration had motive for this. In the year 2000, the right-wing authors of the: "Rebuilding America's Defenses", written by The Project for the New American Century, expressed the opinion that the military expansion they desired would be difficult or impossible unless a "new Pearl Harbor occurred". This project envisioned a major imperial expansion of American power that included a vastly increased military budget and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. The goal for such invasion was primarily to gain control of oil supplies and their assured delivery.
Griffin further cites adequate evidence for assuming that the Bush administration actually knew in advance that such an attack as occurred on 9/11 was planned. He notes that as early as 1995 there was a report from the Philippine police to the U.S. government that they had found certain information on an Al-Qaeda computer outlining a plan named "Project Bojinka". This project envisioned hijacking airliners and flying them into targets such as the World Trade Center, the White House and the Pentagon. By July of 2001 both the CIA and the FBI had intercepted information that such an attack was planned for that Fall. Other sources also sent to the U.S. information stating that such an attack was planned.
Notable in Griffin's account is the failure of the press. After Dubya Bush came into office, the press did virtually no investigative reporting and hence totally failed in their responsibility to the public. Griffin points out that one year after 9/11 the New York Times wrote "One year later, the public knows less about the circumstances of 2,801 deaths at the foot of Manhattan in broad daylight than people in 1912 knew within weeks about the Titanic." The Bush administration has been the most secretive in history and continually wraps around itself the flag of national security as its protection.
In closing this review I want to make two comments. First is to commend Professor Griffin for an independent, careful and systematic examination of the evidence. He has set before us sufficient data on which to base an impartial opinion of the 9/11 event. Secondly, the conclusions of this book make it abundantly clear that we have the greatest problem in our history on our hands, far greater than the Nixon Watergate scandal. We seem to be being led like sheep into an imperialist stance in which America is to rule the world for the sake of American business and profit.

Rev. Gerald Slusser, Ph.D. is a professor emeritus of theology and education from Eden Theological Seminary in St. Louis.

 link to www.amazon.com

Brian's eye is on the ball!! This is the only important story 14.May.2004 07:04

the rest is

manure that we are being fed in order to forget the Reichstag fire. Thanks Brian!

Indeed... 14.May.2004 09:58

Tony Blair's dog

maybe this is overkill but there might be some
really interestng clues in the event with the
AA Flight 587 which tail and engines just
"happened to fall off" right after take off ;-)

I take it you remember that it was freshly taxed
out from "maintainance". And that it "happened" to
crash where many of the surviving firemen from 9/11
lives outside NY City.

For the inclined, maybe a little digging in the passenger
history could turn up one or two or three gems...to start with.

Good hunting! ;-)

Thierry's Silly Theory and the Jared Israel Connection! 14.May.2004 10:45

Gerard Israel (Already Published)

the Emperor Wears No Clothes

Reader: "I'm Unimpressed with Attempts to Link Israel and 9-11"
[Posted 15 September 2002]
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Dear Emperor's Clothes,

There's a disturbing trend developing among some activists concerned with Sept 11. They seem obsessed with trying to implicate Israel. Myself, I'll listen to any evidence with an open mind, but I'm concerned at the readiness of otherwise rational, ethical people to jump at these accusations on the flimsiest pretexts. There's a fair bit of this stuff floating around the net. I've read a lot of it, and haven't been impressed by the quality of the evidence.

The text below is from a letter on the subject, which I recently sent to one of my networks.

Best regards,
Gerard Holmgren
Australia

I'm Unimpressed with Attempts to Link Israel and 9-11
by Gerard Holmgren

Regarding Israel's alleged involvement in September 11th let me first state that I'm open to anything but I want to see evidence. Everything I've seen on this accusation has been at besthighly circumstantial and speculative and at worst completely without foundation.

Five Men Detained As Suspected Conspirators
Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.

However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Bergen Record, September 12, 2001 (copy)

The White Van
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." ABC June 21, 2002

Spies, or students?
Were the Israelis just trying to sell their paintings, or agents in a massive espionage ring? Ha'Aretz, May 14, 2002

Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities
Drug Enforcement Administration Office of Security, June, 2001
In January, 2001, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Office of Security Programs (IS), began to receive reports of Israeli art students attempting to penetrate several DEA Field Offices in the continental United States. Additionally, there have been reports of Israeli art students visiting the homes of numerous DEA employees. These incidents have occurred since at least the beginning of 2000, and have continued to the present DEA

Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth
Americans Probing Reports of Israeli Espionage

Despite angry denials by Israel and its American supporters, reports that Israel was conducting spying activities in the United States may have a grain of truth, the Forward has learned.[...]

According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September (Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari and Yaron Shmuel) were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.[...]

In addition to their strange behavior and their Middle Eastern looks, the suspicions were compounded when a box cutter and $4,000 in cash were found in the van. Moreover, one man carried two passportsand another had fresh pictures of the men standing with the smoldering wreckage of the World Trade Center in the background.[...]

On December 7, a New Jersey judge ruled that the state could seize the goods remaining inside the warehouse. The state also has a lawsuit pending against Urban Moving Systems and its owner, Dominik Otto Suter, an Israeli citizen. The FBI questioned Mr. Suter once. However, he left the country afterward and went back to Israel before further questioning. Mr. Suter declined through his lawyer to be interviewed for this article.[...] Charlene Eban, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Washington, and Don Nelson, a Justice Department spokesman, said they had no knowledge of an Israeli spying operation.

"If we found evidence of unauthorized intelligence operations, that would be classified material," added Jim Margolin, a spokesman for the FBI in New York. Forward, February, 2002

Dominik Suter of Mossad on an FBI List of September 11 Suspects (large pdf)

First: One thing I've heard a lot is the question, "Who has the most the to gain?"

This doesn't constitute evidence. It merely constitutes grounds for inquiry.

The moment the Sept. 11 attacks happened, I knew that the US would use it for it's strategic agenda, but I never regarded that as evidence of the complicity [of the US establishment].

It took me a month of reading Illarion Bykov and Jared Israel's articles on the standing-down of the U.S. Air Force and the behavior of Bush on the morning before I was convinced. That's what I call evidence, not vague generalizations about who might have the most to gain.

5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy
Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as "puzzling behavior" following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday.[...] They are said to have had been caught videotaping the disaster and shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery.Ha'Aretz, September 17, 2001

Even so, I can't really see what Israel had to gain. We know what the US stood to gain. Cheap oil, strategic influence for a long-standing imperialist policy agenda, and profits from arms trading.

Israel's agenda is completely different and far less duplicitous. Its main concern has been securing its borders....

Unlike the forked tongue propaganda of the US, Israel makes it quite clear and open what its agenda is. It pursues it ruthlessly so what you see is what you get. I see no evidence of a shadowy covert strategic chess game of the type the US plays.

"kee betachbulot ta'ase lecha milchama"
"By way of deception thou shalt do war"

http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/mossad_crest.gif

"Ha'Mossad Le'modiein"
"The institute for the collection of Information"


When I wrote these things- [these instructions to the embassies to frame Arabs for Israeli terrorist attacks against U.S. targets in Egypt] - I still didn't know how crushing is the evidence that was
ALREADY PUBLISHED
refuting our official version. The huge amounts of arms and explosives, the tactics of the attack, the blocking and mining of the roads ... the precise coordination of the attack. Who would be foolish enough to believe that such a complicated operation could "develop" from a casual and sudden attack on an Israeli army unit by an Egyptian unit?
- Moshe Sharett, Prime Minister of Israel 1954 & 1955.


This web site is dedicated to the memory of thirty-four fine young men
who gave their lives on June 8, 1967, defending the USS Liberty
against a sustained air and sea attack by the armed forces of the State of Israel

I fail to see how engineering a war between the US and Afghanistan or the US and Iraq provides anything useful to Israel.

In Washington, Team Chalabi is led by Deputy Secretary of Defense [zionist] Paul Wolfowitz and [zionist] Richard Perle, the neoconservative strategist who heads the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. Chalabi's partisans run the gamut from far right to extremely far right, with key supporters in most of the Pentagon's Middle-East policy offices -- such as Peter Rodman, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser and Michael Rubin. Also included are key staffers in Vice President Dick Cheney's office, not to mention Defense Secretary Donald [so-called occupied territories] Rumsfeld and former CIA Director Jim Woolsey.

The Washington partisans who want to install Chalabi in Arab Iraq are also those associated with the staunchest backers of Israel, particularly those aligned with the hard-right faction of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Chalabi's cheerleaders include the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA).
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/21/dreyfuss-r.html
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Free Iraqi Resistance Calling on Jewry For Support in Quest to Depose Saddam

Allies of Chalabi Meet Ambassador Gold, Warn of White House Folly
By SETH GITELL FORWARD STAFF

[...]
An adviser to INC chairman Ahmad Chalabi, Francis Brooke, and a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, David Wurmser, met with Israel's permanent representative to the United Nations, Dore Gold, last Friday to begin the process of getting Israel to back the INC. Representatives of the group have also met with a spokesman for Prime Minister Netanyahu, David Bar-Illan.

Domestically, the INC advisers believe that the core of America's organized Jewish community could rally the requisite amount of political support for the Iraqi opposition group to enable it to successfully challenge Saddam Hussein.
[...]

With regard to the American Jewish community, [Richard] Perle said: "There's no question that the Jewish community's been at the forefront with the legislation with regard to Iran. One can only speculate what it might accomplish if it decided to focus its attention on Saddam Hussein."
http://www.forward.com/BACK/1998/98.07.31/news.html
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Bush aide: Inspections or not, we'll attack Iraq

Exclusive By Paul Gilfeather, Whitehall Editor


GEORGE Bush's top security adviser last night admitted the US would attack Iraq even if UN inspectors fail to find weapons.

Dr Richard Perle stunned MPs by insisting a "clean bill of health" from UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix would not halt America's war machine.
mirrorUK
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Netanyahu says Iraq-Israel oil line not pipe-dream.

LONDON, June 20 (Reuters) - Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he expects an oil pipeline from Iraq to Israel to be reopened in the near future after being closed when Israel became a state in 1948. - "It won't be long when you see Iraqi oil flowing to Haifa", the port city in Northern Israel, Netanyahu told a group of British investors, declining to give a timetable.
Reuters

In fact the reverse. All Israel has gained out of Sept 11 is a certain amount of political justification for going a bit harder against the Palestinians, and I find it preposterous to suggest that they would use the convoluted route of engineering Sept 11 for this purpose. First, they have a much richer source of justification in the terrorist bombings of Palestinian extremists than in any marginal increase in justification for attacking "terrorism" in general in the aftermath of Sept 11. And any gains in this area are well and truly offset by the stirring up of the Arab and Muslim states following September 11.

This network [Note from http://www.tenc.net As Mr. Holmgren said, this text is based on a letter he sent to an email-list] has spent many words and hours examining in minute detail the finest points of what the US has to gain out of Sept 11, but when it comes to Israel, seems to be satisfied with the vague generalisation that more hostility to the Arab world might prove useful to them. I find this approach unbalanced, unscientific and inconsistent.

Second point. There have been numerous [post Urban Moving Systems exposure] reports that Mossad warned US intelligence agencies about Sept. 11 prior to the event. This is also presented as evidence that they were involved because "they knew." But why would they have tried to warn the U.S. if they were part of it? [Why were the alleged warnings only published after the arrest of the happy Mossad agents?] These reports point to the involvement of US intelligence, not the Mossad. [EMPEROR'S CLOTHES NOTE: Apparently the Russians, French and Egyptians also tried to warn the CIA...]

Third point. It's all very well to say that "Israel was involved" but I'm yet to hear anything specific about how they actually contributed to it.

sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Bergen Record, September 12, 2001

....In addition to their strange behavior and their Middle Eastern looks, the suspicions were compounded when a box cutter and $4,000 in cash were found in the van. Moreover, one man carried two passports - Forward, February, 2002

Standing down the airforce could only be done by US authorities. If the planes were flown by remote control this would have required complicity of US authorities and possibly some officials in the airlines. Slackening or manipulation of airport security measures would have to be organised by US authorities. Issuing of passports and ID to the terrorists, which some think happened, would require the work of US authorities. Did Israel have interests in Enron, or the Carlyle group? Does Mossad have connections with the Bin Ladens? Everything we know suggests a domestic US intelligence operation, tied in with US business.

I want to see evidence and research of real quality before I'll take these allegations seriously, and quite frankly, I haven't seen a shred. Vague stuff about Israeli spy rings or some Israeli kids who were supposedly arrested after cheering the WTC disaster from a rooftop in New Jersey - and who knows if they even knew what was happening [!!!] - do not constitute evidence of the quality needed. When I see things like the Chief of the Israeli airforce being in Washington on Sept. 11 and meeting with Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Myers as the attacks were going on, or hijackers with Israeli-issued passports, then I'll get interested. I haven't seen anything like that.

Why is it that everywhere we look we find evidence of the US Establishment's collusion lying around in heaps so big we keep tripping over them, but we're having to resort to the most circumstantial, vague and twisting speculation to find anything at all to pin on Israel?

-- Gerard Holmgren
Australia *****

Emperors Clothes


What a coincident... 14.May.2004 12:54

Tony Blair's dog

that the "author" calls himself "Gerard Holmgren".

Especially since the real Gerard Holmgren is one of the
persons who appears to dig deep into the 9/11 "plane crashes".

C-130s and Cordite and F77 & 93 15.May.2004 01:24

Gerard Israel (Already Published)

the attempt to whitewash Israel connections to 911 was produced by the same Gerard who did such an appaling job on witness reports and various other aspects of the investigation. His contributions have been much less than helpful.

I'll post a thread on the Pentagon witnesses that Gerard conspicuously ignored a little later.

Double-take 16.May.2004 11:52

Triple-take

The last name of the FBI's Washington spokesperson who announced that there was no connection between the Urban Moving Systems detainees and the WTC attacks is Eban??? Nooooo!!! I already knew that critical positions at the State Department, Pentagon and DC Federal Courts were stacked with Zionists, but if Abba Eban's grand-daughter is in charge of telling the US public what it needs to know about Mossad activities in the US, it is time for me to convert to Islam and settle on some nice, friendly island in Indonesia. I would even consider Komodo.

quad take 17.May.2004 23:14

Already Published

>>> Charlene Eban, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Washington


I didn't notice -- but your right. Thanks.

Sorting out the lies 18.May.2004 19:12

Gerard Holmgren

Exactly what this attack on me has to do with the truth about Sept 11 is not clear. The author of these attacks and I have been having an interesting exchange here.

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/05/288505.shtml

If you check the postings in this exchange, you'll see the how truly ridiculous these attacks are. And check my work at

 http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=50

Furthermore, the author of "The New Pearl Harbour", David-Ray-Griffin actually wrote to me before publication, acknowledging that he had used some of my work for this book.

As for the "appalling job" of the eywitnesses, I invite people to read the article for themselves at

 http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast

and then check the way that my stalker misrepresented it at

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/05/288505.shtml

I like it when people tell lies about me. It shows how desperate they are. Stick to the facts. Check the links I have offered.

What a stalker looks like 17.Jul.2004 16:59

Already Published

classic quotes - Tony Blair's Dog:
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What a coincident... 14.May.2004 12:54

that the "author" calls himself "Gerard Holmgren".

Especially since the REAL Gerard Holmgren is one of the
persons who appears to dig deep into the 9/11 "plane crashes".
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But the lies designed by the alleged Gerard to obscure evidence linking Israel to the attacks, were, in fact, written by the same alleged Gerard that we have here on this very page. And it is obvious that he has no intention of rescinding or apologizing for the whitewash. Certainly he hasn't explained to us why he invested so much time composing it in the first place, or why Jared Israel took a shining to the piece.

Here is the original:
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/holm.htm

And this is what stalkers look like:


sydney and melbourne IMCs



http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=37522

Neo-Nazi cockroach learns how to type
by Chris Parsons - and proud to state it. 2:43pm Fri Nov 29 '02 article#37522
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An anonymous Neo-Nazi who has been plying cyberspace with gormless anti-Semtic rantings has learn how to sepll the word "Jew", but being a spineless insect cannot find the backbone to spell his own name.
"We are very proud of him, though," said SS Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler today. "Whilst gutless and spineless, he is nonetheless one of our slimier specimens."
The little Nazi cockroach has developed an obsessional neurosis centred on an urban folk myth about a group of "Israelis" seen "snickering on a rooftop" in Manhattan after the 11 September 2001 World Trade Centre airline attack.

Offering no other justification for his pathetic existence, he has offered his services to neo-nazism as a Jew-baiter.

Who - or in this case, what - could be naive/crazy/malign/misguided enough to disseminate such fabrications?

The effluent is fed to him from a wide range of sources.

Official Arabic sources, newspapers and television in Arab states, from schools and government-funded mosques, from Arab columnists and editorial writers, cartoonists, clerics and intellectuals, from websites that trail into an infinity of iniquity.

The appearance of modernity in the Arab media is illusory. More important than the presence of the hardware is the absence of the software, the notion of a ruggedly independent self-critical free press. CNN will film American bomb damage in Afghanistan; al-Jazeera and the Middle East stations would never dream of talking to the orphans and widows whose loved ones were blown apart by a suicide bomber. An Arab critic of America and the coalition is always given the last word. How could people be so susceptible to misinformation? Well, conspiracy theories simplify a complex world. The absence of evidence is itself proof of plot: missing records at Pearl Harbor, missing bullets in Dallas, missing bodies in Jenin. Preconceptions are outfitted in fantasy.

Contradiction by authority is mere affirmation of the vastness of the plot: so he's in it, too. Conspiracy and rumor bloom, especially where the flow of news and opinion is restricted and illiteracy is high.

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http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=37511
CAUTION: Neo-nazis hijack Indymedia sites.
by Chris parsons 11:55am Fri Nov 29 '02 article#37511

chrisparsons985@hotmail.com

Neo-nazis - posing as friends of the Arabic world and Islam in particular - are systematically distributing simple-minded fabrications blaming Jews for the September 11 catastrophe and other crimes against humanity. Here a few samples to be aware of.

In response to the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack, Arab government-sponsored newspapers were immediately filled with articles and opinion pieces stating that the Israeli military or Zionist supporters were most likely responsible.

Most of these articles based this claim on eitherfabricated facts, or baseless conjectures (basing on which the CIA or MI-6 could have been as likely contestors), and are seen by the vast majority of people all over the world as yet another blood libel against the Jews.
[...]
Who could be naive/crazy/malign/misguided enough to disseminate such fabrications? The effluent is from official sources, newspapers and television in Arab states, from schools and government-funded mosques, from Arab columnists and editorial writers, cartoonists, clerics and intellectuals, from websites that trail into an infinity of iniquity. The appearance of modernity in the Arab media is illusory. More important than the presence of the hardware is the absence of the software, the notion of a ruggedly independent self-critical free press. CNN will film American bomb damage in Afghanistan; al-Jazeera and the Middle East stations would never dream of talking to the orphans and widows whose loved ones were blown apart by a suicide bomber. An Arab critic of America and the coalition is always given the last word. How could people be so susceptible to misinformation? Well, conspiracy theories simplify a complex world. The absence of evidence is itself proof of plot: missing records at Pearl Harbor, missing bullets in Dallas, missing bodies in Jenin. Preconceptions are outfitted in fantasy.

Contradiction by authority is mere affirmation of the vastness of the plot: so he's in it, too. Conspiracy and rumor bloom, especially where the flow of news and opinion is restricted and illiteracy is high.

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http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=37775
Neo-Nazi cockroach makes excellent bait
by Chris Parsons 6:36am Sun Dec 1 '02 article#37575

Cockroach not completely useless. Nazis used this particular species for bait.


A Neo-nazi cockroach has been described as "no closer to remembering his own identity" despite intensive deep-coma recovery therapy administered by doctors at the Reinhard Heydrich Memorial Hospital in Tripoli.

"Ultimately, the patient must WANT to confess his identity, but this is not likely as cockroaches of this type don't have spines or intestines, and only very tiny brains," said Dr Joseph Mengele.

Dr Mengele is the cockroach's long-time family doctor.

"Nice yellow stripe down his little back though! Matches his liver," said Dr Mengele.

"However, in his present state, the little cockroach is deeply delirious with hallucinations of Jewish plots to control the world, Mossad agents dancing on rooftops. That sort of thing"

"In his sleep, he keeps muttering 'Hi rise buildings are DESIGNED to withstand plane crashes and catastrophic fires. That's what they're INTENDED for!'."

"Heh, heh. Funny little fellow," chuckled Dr Mengele.

"So, is he completely useless, Doctor?" I asked.

"Oh no," said Dr Mengele. "The Fuhrer uses this species for bait. All the time"
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Mossad agenst caught red-hnded at WTC collapse
by Chris Parsons - and proud to state it. 6:04am Sun Dec 1 '02 article#37573

chrisparsons985@hotmail.com

Mossad agents seeen dancing, singing and popping champagne corks as the World Trade Centre collapsed. Nmes were Hymie and Shylock, probably


Reports that Mossad agents were seeen dancing, singing and popping champagne corks as the World Trade Centre collapsed have been described as "credible" by an un-named neo-Nazi cockroach on the Meblourne Indymedia site.

"No, really, that is quite typical behaviour for a secret service agent," said the cockroach, who claims to be unable to remember his own name.

"We know they were Mossad agents because they had T-shirts with 'Mossad Agent 1' and 'Mossad Agent 2' written on them."

"This was all reported in Israeli newspapers at the time - and I firmly believe this."

The interview was broken off here when the cockroache's remote control system broke down due to power failures in Tripol.

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David Irving and his pet Cockroach
by Chris Parsons 4:13pm Tue Dec 3 '02 article#37696

chrisparsons985@hotmail.com

It appears to me that the correct and inevitable inference must be that for the most part the falsification of the historical record was deliberate and ... was motivated by a desire to present events in a manner consistent with his own ideological beliefs even if that involved distortion and manipulation of historical evidence


It is worth noting immediately here that the Cockroach - in his reply to article #37684 (Finally - Cockroach fesses up as David Irving disciple) does not deny his affiliation with David Irving, but merely throws more dubious claims in to the arena as rhetorical diversion..

I might at this time remind the reader of the remarks made by Mr Justice Charles Gray at the conclusion of the epochal defamation trial, David Irving versus Penguin Books Ltd. and Deborah Lipstatd;

"It appears to me that the correct and inevitable inference must be that for the most part (Irving?s) falsification of the historical record was deliberate and that Irving was motivated by a desire to present events in a manner consistent with his own ideological beliefs even if that involved distortion and manipulation of historical evidence"

So too the Cockroach.

The historical record stands like an edifice - and can be toppled. It is doubtless a human construct, and to be a 'scientific' record of events in any sense, I suggest it must be 'falsifiable' - that is, testable - in the way the philosopher Karl Popper means.

The historical record can be wrong. And competing accounts can be genuinely credible alternative records of what "really happened." And open to dispute and 'falsification'.

Like any theory, historical propositions are conditional and contingent.

Perhaps there were "dancing Jews" on the Manhattan rooftops and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if there were Mossad agents in New York on September 11, 2001.

The white van may have been a Chevy - or a Toyota. Who cares.

The whole catastrophe may - but is exceeding unlikely - to have been a clever Jewish/Zionist/Israeli trick to discredit Arabs and manipulate US foreign policy.

In all likelyhood, and by any reasonable test, the hijacking was by Arab nationalists, probably tied up with al-Quadea, and hardly likely to be operating with Mossad assistance let alone the complicity of the US Air Force.

Doubtless, the record of September 11 will be ammended in time as more information comes to hand. Adjusting here, emending there.

But this or that extraneous "suspicious" fact (dancing jews) or "mysterious" bits of information (the enigmantic Dominik Suter ) do not significantly alter - and can hardly be expected to bring down - the vast edifice that is the record of that day.

You'd have to crash a couple of 767s into it to do that.

Unless, of course, you deliberately blind yourself to the enormity of the evidence documenting the event.

Even if you lie BIG enough, long enough - and win enough gullible, semi-literates to one or other "revisionist" line about September 11 to make a "real history" conference a viable proposition - there will still be countless millions that will remember. And who will document the event.

For an excellent paper on Holocaust denial and the role of David Irving, see
http://web.mit.edu/maweigel/www/papers/germanfinal.pdf

See also an interview with Irving by Andrew Roberts of the Sunday Telegraph (London)-

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/press/irving-vrs-lipstadt/Press_Summary.000116

- which includes this choice quote;

Of his various shocking contentions to do with Hitler and the Holocaust,Irving has insouciantly remarked that if one day he was proved wrong, "I think you will then see me adopt a little bashful smile and utter some such
phrase as 'I gave them a good run for their money for over 20 years'. "

The Cockroach - like Irving - knows darned well that he is lying through his teeth. And his humbug is not a speeding 767.

He's just farting in the elevators

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Finally - Cockroach fesses up as David Irving disciple
by Chris Parsons 12:21pm Tue Dec 3 '02 article#37684
(and again on the Wed Dec4, 02 http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=37735]
chrisparsons985@hotmail.com

Indymedia site neo-Nazi and Islamicist finally outs himself by publishing details of September 11 conspiracy theory that appear to have been sourced from Nazi-apologist David Irving?s moronic on-line newsletter FOCAL POINT.


The cockroach has finally outed himself by publishing details of his September 11 conspiracy theory that appear to have been sourced from Nazi-apologist David Irving?s moronic on-line newsletter 'Focal Point'.

Surprise, surprise.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html

http://www.fpp.co.uk/

Those of you who have been following the Cockraoch?s exploits will recall his frequent reference to a character called ?Dominik Suter ? who Cockroach alleges was connected to the World Trade Centre ?bombing plot? ? a supposed Israeli Mossaad operation behind the ?fake? September 11 airline attack on the World Trade Centre

The destruction of the Twin Towers, according to the Cockroach, were calculated to ?discredit? peace loving Arabs and incite hostility toward Moslems as part of an insidious "Zionist" (read: Jewish) plot

"Suter", you'll remember, is the fellow Cockroach alleges is behind the mysterious Urban Moving Systems, whose employees were "arrested" after neighbors reported them "laughing and cheering" as they watched the World Trade Center burn.

These five "Middle Eastern-looking men," as described by witnesses, were "Israelis" according to Cockraoch and his buddies (if he has any)

According to neo-Nazi commentators: "Police interrogated them for hours, and transferred them to a maximum security facility, where they were held for months."

According to this myth, the suspects' van (variously a white Chevy, Mitsubish or Toyota) was supposedly registered as the property of Urban Moving Systems: a raid on the Urban Moving Systems warehouse yielded computers, documents, "and other evidence ? of what, we don't know"

The happless Suter, the "owner of the company, refused all comment", and soon "fled the country ? to Israel" - despite the ?maximum security facility? apparently.

The inclusion of Suter, an Israeli, and the front man for what the Cockroach claims was a Mossad operation, on an official list of "terrorist suspects" is of course intended silence, for good, those who dismiss the Israeli connection to 9/11 as a "myth," urban or otherwise.

Other Nazis and Islamicist "commentators" report that on that list, along with Mohammed Atta, and Zacarias Moussaoui, is not only Suter, but also ?five other Americans ? or, at least, non-Arabs with US addresses.?

Ooooohhhhh?? What could it all mean?

Well, if you go to David Irving's web site, doubtless he'll fill you in on the details

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Cocky logic - and why Hamas does not have an air force
by Chris Parsons 1:40pm Wed Dec 4 '02 article#37733

chrisparsons985@hotmail.com

Cocky's responce to an airline hijacking. Shoot it down General - they're mostly just civilians, after all.

DATELINE: September 11 2001

Excuse me Mr President, I have news from New York.

Yes, General?

Well, Sir, a group of Arab terrorists seem to have hijacked three civilian airlines. Couple of hundred passengers involved all up.

What would we normally do under circumstances General? Should we shoot the civilian airlines down just on the off chance the utterly unprecedented happens and the terrorists crash them into large building killing thousands more?

Er, pardon, Sir?

Oh nothing - I just go this weird e-mail from David Irving's pet cockroach.

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Please address Mr David Irving respectfully
by Chris Parsons 12:05pm Thu Dec 5 '02 article#37775

chrisparsons985@hotmail.com

There have been a few complaints from some of Mr David Irving's friends about the aggressive and indeed hostile tone of my language at the IndyMedia site.


There have been a few complaints from some of Mr David Irving's friends about the tone of my language at the IndyMedia site.

You know the sort of thing: my inferring that neo-Nazi historical revisionists and conspiracy theorists are "nutty", perhaps a tad "immoral", maybe "dishonest" and even calling one relentlessly anonymous individual a "Cockroach"

Therefore, I have consulted an excellent on-line dating etiquette advice page (below), and it seems some of you do have a point!

http://www.togethernh.com/datingtips.htm

Here is one piece of advice I will be observing from now on;

'Avoid profane language. Using foul language to enhance your story or sentence is NOT Acceptable. Because you don?t know your date very well ? and as common courtesy to be extended by both parties ? refrain from using vulgar language. It does not make a good impression and you could offend someone (and not just the person you are with).'

Well, I have to agree.

However, I might remind everyone, it is also good manners to honestly, and openly identify yourself in your correspondence.

In the meantime, I would like to reiterate my earlier statement;

'The Cockroach is a glistening blob of Jew-baiting phlegm and I wouldn't bother pissing down his throat if his fucking lungs were on fire.'

Ahem. Thank you.

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you are a moral bankrupt
by chris parsons 2:29pm Fri Nov 29 '02 comment#37521
chrisparsons985@hotmail.com
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Just imagine for a moment, you degraded imbecile, that five Israelis WERE found snickering on a roof-top. What would that prove, cretin?
"Your honour, the defendants stand before this court accused of snickering - and being suspected of driving a white van."
Ooooooooh, A white van! WHAT COULD IT ALL MEAN???
You are not just conspicuously stupid - you are also too gutless to reveal your identity - you are a moral bankrupt.
You ridiculous, slithering lump of gutless shit.
Did you ejaculate in your pants when you heard of this morning's terrorist hit in Kenya? Are you gloatiing over the dead kids and the African hotel employees?

Get a life cockroach!
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Well, A. Thomas, as an honestreporting.com subscriber, all i can say is;

* I suppose mistakes happen

* and, if you sup with the Devil, use a long spoon.

Perhaps you should post prominent disclaimers on your web pages. I went to
you web site and to me, too, it just looked like some frothing anti-Semitic
creep doing a bit of opportunistic Jew-baiting in cyber-space. Not an on
line libertarian committed to free (if somewhat naive) speech.

Suppose you were a victim of the baddies, too

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refresher 17.Jul.2004 17:19

Urban Moving Catstrophies

working?

test 2 17.Jul.2004 17:36

iao

hmmmm....

test 5 - still nothing 17.Jul.2004 17:46

AP

"your post will appear in a few minutes" - except none of them have appeared in over 40 minutes, and one of my posts was censored today for reasons unexplained....

apology 17.Jul.2004 18:17

AP

false accusation - mea culpa - mea sorry!

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