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Berg's "coincidental" link to Moussaoui?!?

Curiouser and curiouser...
From Foxnews.com (excerpt):

Meanwhile, sources close to the situation told Fox News that there was a "coincidental" link between Berg and accused Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui.

FBI agents interviewed Berg a few years ago when they were investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, the sources said. He was interviewed because, unbeknownst to him, Moussaoui had used his e-mail account when he was in Oklahoma.

Berg attended the University of Oklahoma and Moussaoui first settled in Norman, Okla., when he came to the U.S. The accused co-conspirator used at least one of the university's computers to communicate online, according to the sources.

The sources said that the FBI concluded that Berg had innocently given his e-mail account to someone and it had landed in the hands of other people, including Moussaoui.

homepage: homepage: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119854,00.html

6 billion people on earth, what are the odds 13.May.2004 14:59

Hi

Reminds me of some other coincidental links, like the one between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family.

Personally, I don't put much stock in coincidence.

didja look 13.May.2004 19:38

under "selection 2004" on the left menu?

that's where my nader post was last time i thought one was missing

WHAT THE FUCK are the "Nader" Comments?!?!???? 14.May.2004 01:30

here is the story of Berg meeting "terrorist" on the bus

as he attended a "remote" Univ. of Oklahoma class -

he met the dude on the bus - didn't know him otherwise - and this dude asked to use Berg's laptop email password so he could check his own email (according to Berg's dad, this dude used a lot of other people's email passwords too).

anyway, the dude Berg had met on the bus that day turned out to be one of Moussaoui's best buddies, and that's how Moussaoui later ended up with Berg's email password.


I bet he did too 14.May.2004 08:02

...

Yeah and on that bus a stranger asked me to give him my bank account number so he could send me some inherited money from his uncle in Nigeria. Doesn't that have the ring of journalistic high standards?

Actually, if true, it explains a lot 14.May.2004 11:08

conspiracy theorist

If true, this explains a lot of the strange Berg case. Namely, if Berg already had an FBI record when he arrived in Iraq, that would explain why -- when, as a free-lancer in a battle zone, he came to the attention of the U.S. government in/of Iraq -- he was picked up and held incommunicado for quite some time. That would be coincidence, but that is the kind of coincidence that occurs all the time in real life. Compare it to, for example, you have a name in common with a wanted person and you get hauled into jail and then, when they figure out who you really are, there is still the coincidence that you have an outstanding warrant (maybe something comparatively minor like failure to make support payments or to show proof of insurance) from another jurisdiction. So that would be coincidence, but it's the kind of coincidence that happens all the time.

But try this for a coincidence theory: a couple of U.S. agents are talking troubles over and one of them has a problem that he needs to connect Al Qaeda and show Al Qaeda operating in Iraq, while the other says all he has is this wierdo techno nerd who (nerd-like) had let his e-mail address get away from him in Oklahoma, but he actually appears to be just a techno wierdo with no common sense whatsoever (or why would he even have come to Iraq without a contract with KBR?) Well, some creative thinking, we have a crew that includes a guy who is a dead-ringer for a major Al Qaeda figure, let's see, two birds with one stone. Do you think we could do it up graphically so as to establish the Al Qaeda connection in the public mind back home, say in a gory context? The President's gonna love this.

it may be _intended_ to explain a lot 14.May.2004 14:04

and I hope it does, but

"If true, this explains a lot of the strange Berg case. Namely, if Berg already had an FBI record when he arrived in Iraq, that would explain why -- when, as a free-lancer in a battle zone, he came to the attention of the U.S. government in/of Iraq -- he was picked up and held incommunicado for quite some time. That would be coincidence, but that is the kind of coincidence that occurs all the time in real life."

but this simply gives plausibility to Berg's detention, it may or may not be true, there are certainly some very serious conflicts showing in various information about Berg- his credentials, his company, his college education. even if it makes his detention plausible, it doesn't explain the denials of knowledge about his detention, for example. it may also not quite explain how he got into the hands of "terrorists" with his orange jumpsuit still on, or why he was visited 3 times by the FBI, etc. etc.

CNN story is crap 14.May.2004 14:47

Hi

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as he attended a "remote" Univ. of Oklahoma class -

he met the dude on the bus - didn't know him otherwise - and this dude asked to use Berg's laptop email password so he could check his own email (according to Berg's dad, this dude used a lot of other people's email passwords too).

anyway, the dude Berg had met on the bus that day turned out to be one of Moussaoui's best buddies, and that's how Moussaoui later ended up with Berg's email password."
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Hahaha, people will believe that tripe but when CNN shows a video of eleven UFO's flying across the sky, people start talking "conspiracy theory". Literally every news agency on earth carried that story, yet nobody "believes" it. What's there to believe? 11 lights, they're unidentified! We don't know what the lights were, people just assume it has something to do with some whackos and nuts. "Why else would the lights be there if it wasn't for whackos and nuts... plus they were filmed by Mexicans, Gasp! Giggles!" ...great logic.

The odds in these two people meeting are next to none. There are no "coincidences" in situations like this, especially multiple ones. What are the odds of there being so many coincidence with 9-11 at all? There's this, there's Bush's connection with the Bin laden family. The oldest brother of the Bin Laden kids died in an ultra-light accident in Texas? They go on and on...the number of "coincidences" surrounding 9-11 are unreal. The odds are better that every single person that reads this post will win the lotto twice.

shhh 14.May.2004 15:23

quiet

"There's this, there's Bush's connection with the Bin laden family. The oldest brother of the Bin Laden kids died in an ultra-light accident in Texas?"

You mean Salem Bin Laden, George Jr.'s first business partner in Arbusto Energy (an oil company which the 2 of them founded)? There's no coincidence there... Just because he was close to Osama, and died in a "freak" plane "accident" just after take-off in Texas...

the "accidental" password giveaway, Ashcroft says: "no terror link" 14.May.2004 22:04

jes' thinkin . . . .

the "Accidental" Email Password Give-Away on the Bus

WHY would an acknowleged techno nerd/geek like Nicholas Berg

GIVE AWAY his email account password to a TOTAL STRANGER on this bus?!?

[especially a "total stranger" who AMAZINGLY, COINCIDENTALLY "just happened" to be one of Moussaoui's close associates]

at the very least, he could (and should) have logged into his email account with his own password BY HIMSELF, and then handed his laptop over to this guy for him to send/receive emails.

the 'cover stories' and 'amazing coincidences' are becoming sketchier by the minute.

 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/index.html

and further on the Email Password Giveaway:

even if Berg had any doubts (which according to the 'amazing coincidence' he apparently, naively did not) immediately following his little bus encounter with the stranger,

as a savvy techno-geek he could easily have CHANGED HIS OWN PASSWORD right after this, so that no one passing along his account password would have access later (e.g. Moussaoui).

just AMAZING COINCIDENCE

upon

AMAZING COINCIDENCE . . .


Ashcroft Says: "No Link Between Berg and Terrorists"

washington repost  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27484-2004May14.html

At the Justice Department news conference called to announce an initiative against child pornography, Ashcroft was asked about the FBI's involvement with Berg. He said that after interviewing him at an Iraqi police station in Mosul, FBI agents informed the U.S.-led occupation authority in Baghdad that they had "no derogatory information" about Berg that would warrant further detention.

Ashcroft said FBI and Coalition Provisional Authority officials emphasized to Berg that he was in a "dangerous environment" and urged him to accept an offer to arrange his safe passage out of Iraq. He said Berg refused that offer, as well as government offers to advise his family and friends of his status.

"We did not develop any interest in Mr. Berg or determine in any way that he had any relationship to any activities of terror," Ashcroft said.

Ashcroft was also asked about FBI questioning of Berg in 2002 after a computer password he had used in college turned up in the possession of Zacarias Moussaoui, an al Qaeda adherent who is currently awaiting trial in the United States on conspiracy charges related to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Berg's family and U.S. officials said Berg had loaned his computer and e-mail address to a man he met while riding a bus to classes at the University of Oklahoma in 1999 and that the man turned out to be a terrorism suspect who was acquainted with Moussaoui.

"The suggestion that Mr. Berg was in some way involved in terrorist activity or may have been linked . . . is a suggestion that we do not have any ability to support and we do not believe is a valid one," Ashcroft said.

He discounted the significance of Berg's reported sharing of his e-mail address and the subsequent link to Moussaoui.

"We do not believe that reflects any association with terrorist objectives or activities," Ashcroft said. "It's not uncommon for individuals from time to time to allow computer use by other individuals in university settings."

Ashcroft said he did not know whether Berg ever knew Moussaoui, adding, "I do know that the matter was resolved, and it was resolved in a way that indicated that there was no inappropriate involvement in terror."