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Sodomizing Female Prisoners in Iraq Ordered by Intelligence Agencies

Sodomizing female prisoners, documented on camera, was ordered and condoned by the intelligence agencies, not only to defile and humiliate the prisoners - and defile the soldiers themselves - but to severely tarnish the reputation of America (even more than it already was) with the help of 60 Minutes, and all involved in now suddenly exposing it.
Torture has been exposed in Guantanamo Bay for over 2 years now. Torture and other abuses of prisoners in Iraq by coalition forces has been known for over a year since the invasion. Yet, all have been downplayed by the mainstream media.

Until now. Why? Think about it.

In other words, this latest round of abuse was all staged and meticulously documented, and now heavily hyped in the media as part of the overall plan to make America into the Bad-Cop Evil Empire which will have to be brought down to heel by the global system Good-Cops.

Hegelian Bonesman heirarch, George Bush Sr stated that Iraq was the "Crucible of the New World Order", the vessel wherein the alchemical process of creating a world government tyranny under the thoroughly corrupt UN would occur. The whole mess there is called "Managed Chaos" or Order Out of Chaos, ie, the masonic Ordo Ab Chao. A set up. A totally staged event.

They create the Hegelian crisis to divide and conquer populations and then offer their pre-conceived "solutions". Even the war crimes going down as we watch them unfold are engineered, designed, condoned and even ordered by the intelligence agencies... to damage the reputation of this great country of ours, to foment the Arab world for WWIII and drag to us through the mud internationally in order to bring us down and make us the bad guys, the Evil Empire--SO THAT--so that the "International Community", ie the UN World Government can step in as the savior and be the good guys to "save the day" and thenceforth America will become just
another province of the global neo-feudal system just as Nazi Germany became absorbed in the new European Community, and now the vastly expanding EU Soviet.

Got that?

So THIS is the true agenda. This is essentially how American might and resources are being used to spearhead the globalist agenda worldwide, but to end up by being swallowed up in it, spread thin, corrupted, destroyed and assimilated itself.

. . .

Unless...we wake up to these Hegelian machinations-- which I do not see happening anytime soon.

Too many people are too brainwashed by either the Right or the Left sides of the false paradigm, or too stupid to see, or too morally bankrupt to care. I do hope this horrible state of affairs will change for the better. I myself will keep hoping and keep fighting for the truth till the very end.

Paul Walker
Aftermath News Service
Special Report - May 2, 2004


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Agence France Presse - May 2, 2004

US general suggests military intelligence had role in abuses

Brigadier General Janis Karpinski

WASHINGTON: A US Army Reserve general whose soldiers were photographed abusing Iraqi prisoners said Saturday the prison cellblock involved was under the tight control of military intelligence, which may have encouraged the abuse, according
to the New York Times.

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The Times quotes Karpinski as saying she believed military commanders were trying to shift the blame exclusively to her and other reservists and away from intelligence officers still at work in Iraq.

"We're disposable," she is quoted as saying. "Why would they want the active-duty people to take the blame? They want to put this on the MPs and hope that this thing goes away. Well, it's not going to go away."

Karpinski said the special cellblock, known as 1A, was one of about two dozen cellblocks in the large prison complex and was essentially off limits to soldiers who were not part of the interrogations, including virtually all of the military police under her command, the paper said.

She said she was not defending the actions of the reservists who took part in the brutality, who were part of her command.

But she added she was also alarmed that little attention has been paid to the Army military intelligence unit that controlled Cellblock 1A, where her soldiers guarded the Iraqi detainees between interrogations, The Times said.

She said military intelligence officers were in and out of the cellblock "24 hours a day," often to escort prisoners to and from an interrogation center away from the prison cells.

"They were in there at two in the morning, they were there at four in the afternoon," said General Karpinski is quoted as saying. "This was no nine-to-five job."

Karpinski also said that CIA employees often participated in the interrogations at the prison complex, according to the report.

- AFP

US general suggests military intelligence had role in abuses
A US Army Reserve general whose soldiers were photographed abusing Iraqi prisoners said Saturday the prison cellblock involved was under the tight control of military intelligence, which may have encouraged the abuse, according to the New York imes.

 http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/82809/1/.html

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Abuse may have been 'order'

Abuse of Iraqi prisoners that sparked worldwide condemnation may have been ordered by US military intelligence to extract information from the captives, and was possibly more cruel than officially acknowledged, The New Yorker magazine and Britain's daily Guardian reported on Saturday. Seymour Hersh, investigative reporter for The New Yorker, said that Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick, one of six US military policemen accused of humiliating Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Gharib prison outside Baghdad, wrote home in January that he had "questioned some of the things" he saw inside the prison, but that "the answer I got was, 'This is how military intelligence wants it done'."

 http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1520513,00.html

CIA behind Iraqi prisoner abuse

A US Army Reserve general whose soldiers were photographed abusing Iraqi prisoners has said the prison cellblock involved was under the tight control of military intelligence, which may have encouraged the abuse.

Brigadier General Janis Karpinski told The New York Times in a telephone interview that the special high-security cellblock at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad had been under the direct control of army intelligence officers, not the reservists under her command.

 http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A88B5EC6-9FCC-49D8-9215-99C91D2BD048.htm

The Truth About Abu Ghraib

Comments from Abuzaid in Iraq, Bush, and the Pentagon, all express disgust over the abuse (I'd call it torture) of prisoners being held at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. We are told it is "under investigation." Actually, it has been "under investigation" since January. The US public is being led to believe that this is an isolated incident by some rogue US soldiers. The story emerging paints a very different picture. Virtually missing from all US reports is that the CIA, military intelligence, and private contractors were hired at the prison to direct "interrogation," and that US soldiers most likely were following their orders in torturing the prisoners.

 http://www.correspondences.org/archives/2004_05.html

I was left bloody and bruised. Now we've become the torturers
In the 1991 Gulf war John Nichol, an RAF navigator, was shot down over Iraq, beaten up and paraded on TV. He gives his reaction to the images of allied brutality They are the images I thought I would never have to see again, sickening pictures of Iraqi prisoners, naked, tortured and humiliated. Surely liberation from Saddam Hussein's brutal, evil regime had seen an end to all of that? Yet here they are, photographs of American soldiers abusing prisoners in Iraq's
notorious Abu Ghraib's dungeon and of British servicemen brutalising captives in Basra.

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1208019,00.html

Iraq prisoners faced "sadistic" abuses

Iraqi prisoners have faced numerous "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" by U.S. soldiers, including sodomy and beatings, according to a U.S. Army report quoted by the New Yorker magazine.
 http://makeashorterlink.com/?D1DC22F28

Arab League: Iraqi Prison Photos 'Beyond Disgust'

The Arab League said on Saturday photos showing U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners were "beyond disgust" and that such acts might have been expected from Saddam Hussein, but not those claiming to bring freedom.

Hossam Zaki, spokesman for the Cairo-based body, said the League had complained of abuses by U.S.-led forces after a mission to Iraq in December. The League feared more cases of ill-treatment were going unnoticed, he said. The CBS News program "60 Minutes II" on Wednesday aired photos taken at the Abu Ghraib prison last year showing U.S. troops abusing Iraqis held at what was once a notorious
center of torture and executions under ousted President Saddam Hussein. "It is beyond the words of despicable acts and disgust that we feel at watching such photographs," Zaki told Reuters.

 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5006792

Warning!

These are some of the most graphic photos on the net of U.S. and British abuse of prisoners. Includes many photos of rape and sodomy by US forces.

60 Minutes II talked about the prison and shared pictures of what Americans did there with two men who have extensive interrogation experience:

Former Marine Lt. Col. Bill Cowan and former CIA Bureau Chief Bob Baer. "I visited Abu Ghraib a couple of days after it was liberated. It was the most awful sight I've ever seen. I said, 'If there's ever a reason to get rid of Saddam Hussein, it's because of Abu Ghraib,'" says Baer. "There were bodies that were eaten by dogs, torture. You know, electrodes coming out of the walls. It
was an awful place."

"We went into Iraq to stop things like this from happening,
and indeed, here they are happening under our tutelage," says Cowan.

The Abu Ghraib Prison Photos

It's the "liberation" of the Iraqi people
These are just some of the photos that led to an investigation into conditions at the Abu Ghraib prison, now run by the occupation authorities, as revealed in a shocking report broadcast by CBS on 60 Minutes II.

 http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow

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The outrage 03.May.2004 02:58

Hi

What I wonder is, what is the worse crime in America's eyes?

A. Smashing an Iraqi child's head open, killing them.

B. Chopping an Iraqi childs legs and arms off their body.

C. Torturing and humiliating Iraqi adults.
This looks like even worse torture
This looks like even worse torture
This looks like even worse torture
This looks like even worse torture

Yes the war has been brought home 03.May.2004 05:34

educator

As far as the Hegelian dialectic with America the "Evil Empire" and the UN the saviors, I couldn't agree more.
Why do you supposed the global government has so many foreign troops staged right now in the American West, in the off-limits wilderness areas. Why are they hiding their huge presence and what are they training for?
They are moving forward with thier plans to remove us from our property, freedoms and selectively our lives. Take a look at all the legislation our executive and legislative branches are gladly passing despite the people's objection.
The snakes that run the global world system and control the governments with their printing presses and their 1's and 0's electronically throughout our economy have targetted the United States and their people for elimination.
Wake up everyone you can, turn off the brainwashing tv and stop BEING AFRAID.

None of the above 03.May.2004 06:21

Dan

Hi link


What I wonder is, what is the worse crime in America's eyes?

A. Smashing an Iraqi child's head open, killing them.

B. Chopping an Iraqi childs legs and arms off their body.

C. Torturing and humiliating Iraqi adults.

None of the above.

D. Showing US-army prisoners on aljazera (that is the worst crime in some americans eyes)

Porno Site ... 03.May.2004 15:32

sodomy/falcia/rape photos ...

yes, they come from a porn site in Budapest, Hungary.

www.sexinwar.com ...

It is all a "B" movie folks........... 03.May.2004 19:17

Brian Jerome brian@calgarytelecom.com

The thing to remember about all of this is the FACT that the people we seem to be blaming for all of this are just paid "actors" in a very bad "B" movie.

They have no more control over what has happened than you or I. They are told what to say, how to say it, when to say it, where to stand, where to sit, when to shake someones hand etc, etc.....have you ever seen Bush make a speach without a "script"? Or any President for that matter. Someone else writes their speeches and that means they are paid actors speaking someone elses words. If they actually had real thoughts of their own, they would not have been "elected" president.....or they would be assassinated.

So...do we get mad at the actors of the bad "B" movie because the plot really sucks....or do we get mad at the script writers and the people who are paying the script writers.

Do any of you REALLY believe that Bush & Co. have enough intelligence to actually run the government?

Dubya and his father both have IQ's that are sub 100.
In fact I believe Dubya has an IQ of only 93.....which makes him very close to retardation......can you actually blame a retard for their actions.....of course not...

Folks, it is all an illusion. The wool has been pulled so far over our eyes that we cannot see what is really going on.

I was reading on a military forum today that anyone who thinks Bush & Co had anything to do with 911 or allowed it to happen is crazy because it would mean the end of the Republicans............yes, that is the plan.

Of course the Democrats are no better....especially since Kerry is Bushes "blood" brother from Skull & Bones......nothing will change because they both follow the same agenda.

So what does this mean....if both major political party is not suitable for office, what do we do...

Well this is a classic case of "Problem, Reaction, Solution" It is the way they ALWAYS do things..

It works like this....you have a problem.......How do we bring totalitarian government to a democratic country like the US? And how do we get the people of the US.....and Canada and Mexico to agree to a North American Superstate.....ie; North American Union, not unlike what is in Europe.

Well you have to a number of things.....first start the ball rolling with a free trade agreement, like NAFTA

This gets people thinking about it...........

Next you have to make the population fearful enough that they will scream "something must be done"....ie; terrorist attacks on US soil.....911

The next thing that has to happen is that the population must believe their government is so corrupt that it is beyond repair. And that there is no real replacement....

Then a final blow is administered......the value of the currency is devalued so much on the international markets, nobody will want it........and a final atrocity is committed by "someone" against the people....

With no government, currency worthless, police state in place etc. a suggestion is made.....this is the solution...

Why don't we join with Canada, Mexico and the rest of the Americas in a place that is known as the American Union....the new currency will be the Amero. They will do the exact same thing in Asia to create a Pacific Union which will include Australia etc. Each "union" will be a part of the centralized global government system.

It is all part of the agenda to have a One World Government, One World Army (NaTo), One World Religion, One World Currency and a micro chipped population that is a piece of cake to control. In fact all of this is already happening......

Microchips are now available
 https://gvsregistry.4verichip.com/index.htm

Check out the "Chip Mobile"
 http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichip.html

The final blow to get us all into the Global operation is the extraterrestrial trump card. That is already starting with the Mars Rover........all of a sudden they are announcing that life must have existed on Mars. Then just as Ronald Reagan said at the UN, a threat not from this world will materialize and we will all "realize" that we are all one people on this planet and that we should all give up our individual rights for the good of the whole to defend against this "external" threat........yeah right.

This is a bad "B" movie folks...with very bad acting.

We can stop it..........by not putting any worth or value to what they are saying and doing. Every government official needs to be fired. All of them.

The original constitution is put back into place.

Then a truly independent commission is formed that does nothing but interviews candidates for positions in our government.

Each candidate must meet minimum requirements.

They must have proven, successful management skills. Not having run a business and failed miserably, but proven positive track record. Afterall, running the government is a big business........and they should be able to manage it without destroying it.

Second, they CANNOT be members of Skull & Bones, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Bilderberg Group, Royal Roundtable, Masons, Church of Satan, Bohemiam Grove, Mormon, JW or any other mind controlling organization with an agenda of its own........Funny thing is, almost every member of our government and every top corporate leader is a member of these organizations. Coincidence.....I think not.

Third, the size of government is reduced drastically. Put the power of decision back into the hands of the people. It is very easy to do that now with the internet. You could even have a vote every morning with your coffee on the day to day issues of local, state and federal operations.

Fourth, put EVERYONE in JAIL for the crimes they committed while in government. Give them a taste of what that is like. They have sent enough of us to jail for trivial things that did not deserve it.......they should experience that hell first hand.

Fifth, all military is brought back to our shores. They do not need to be overseas fighting imaginary wars. They need to be here protecting us! Not that we need protecting anyways, but you know what I mean.

Sixth and most important....everyone must watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.....extremely funny shite and very relevant to what is going on.....

And that is my short version of how we fix things. These "people" work for US and we have the right to fire them if they are not doing their jobs properly. I would think you all agree that this is the case and has been since the start.

So there you have it. A very simple track to run on.

Have a fantastic day,

Brian

Pictures Prove School of the Americas Is the American Way 03.May.2004 21:58

Sharon Lee

I guess I'm shocked that everyone is so shocked. This crap has been taught and has been going on at the School of the Americas for decades. What's new? Any single person who participates is HIMSELF OR HERSELF directly responsible, even if it is orders from the top. That is the old German soldier excuse as he shot and bulldozed poeple into mass graves. "I was only working for the Fuerer. I am not responsible." America is a sick country. Now the excursion for the 9 trillion $ in oil profits for Exxon, Unical, BP and Shell is washed up-over-so over. What's happening is that the CIA_US Military were busted to THE ARAB WORLD WHICH IS THE ONLY WORLD THAT COUNTS. They have shown us to be the slop sewer that the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia thought we were. Now that Saudi Arabia is being hit, Bush has been instructed to retreat till another day. By the way check out page 36 bottom footnote in Craig Ungar's book HOUSE OF BUSH, HOUSE OF SAUD. It reads:"The Bohemian Grove has held secret meetings for a global elite since 1873 in a redwood forest in northern California. In addition to Republican presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and George HW Bush, members have included James Baker, Richard Cheney, Rumsfeld, David Rockefeller, William Casey and Henry Kissinger. Each year, the members don red, black, and silver robes and conduct a ritual in which they worship a giant stone owl." So you see boys and girls, the fact is our leaders are completly insane-wacko and rotten through and through. So what's a few humiliated "A-rabs" as the cro-magnans who listen to Bill O'Reilly put it. The people who have our lives in their hands are very, very different from you and me. Sharon Lee

Pictures Prove School of the Americas Is the American Way 03.May.2004 22:02

Sharon Lee

I guess I'm shocked that everyone is so shocked. This crap has been taught and has been going on at the School of the Americas for decades. What's new? Any single person who participates is HIMSELF OR HERSELF directly responsible, even if it is orders from the top. That is the old German soldier excuse as he shot and bulldozed poeple into mass graves. "I was only working for the Fuerer. I am not responsible." America is a sick country. Now the excursion for the 9 trillion $ in oil profits for Exxon, Unical, BP and Shell is washed up-over-so over. What's happening is that the CIA_US Military were busted to THE ARAB WORLD WHICH IS THE ONLY WORLD THAT COUNTS. They have shown us to be the slop sewer that the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia thought we were. Now that Saudi Arabia is being hit, Bush has been instructed to retreat till another day. By the way check out page 36 bottom footnote in Craig Ungar's book HOUSE OF BUSH, HOUSE OF SAUD. It reads:"The Bohemian Grove has held secret meetings for a global elite since 1873 in a redwood forest in northern California. In addition to Republican presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and George HW Bush, members have included James Baker, Richard Cheney, Rumsfeld, David Rockefeller, William Casey and Henry Kissinger. Each year, the members don red, black, and silver robes and conduct a ritual in which they worship a giant stone owl." So you see boys and girls, the fact is our leaders are completly insane-wacko and rotten through and through. So what's a few humiliated "A-rabs" as the cro-magnans who listen to Bill O'Reilly put it. The people who have our lives in their hands are very, very different from you and me. Sharon Lee

It does not matter as it does not hit home .......... 03.May.2004 23:47

Commander Dread

As 2 nuclear devices will be detonated in NY it will matter , as 600 million muslim wake up to the fact americans dont wake up ....

They will be sure they never will .....

The bible predictions FAILED in fact ALL of them in every religion failed
in every book a fact we are near the so called blind spot no seer can penetrate ..
A paradox in time And space .....

GOD protection is being removed from EARTH ....

As people continue in the golden calf dreamland ....

What is America is destroyed .. (Inside OUT )

Hail ? Bush our leader saviour and god ?

BUSH = MABUS Anty-christ

they want to provoke all islam into global war ....

Even nostradamus missed that one ... it was American not european...

CD

When it all began 04.May.2004 03:21

Leonardes Zhynn fame_97@hotmail.com

The game is to involve America and Britain in a total war against Islam. This may be what is called Armageddon. The problem began sometime ago and the deception is related in Genesis chapter 34. The people of the world (Goyim) are considered to be a sub-species and not worthy of a happy life or to own property. The deeds of the patriarch Jacob in deceiving his brother and his uncle Laban (Hebrew meaning white) are all considered to be "right conduct" by the Zionist/Masonic elite. I call it financial circumcision - high interest on loans, loans forced onto people in the interests of financial economics, mortgages, hire purchase, bank overcharges, wrongful judgements in law courts to strip people of their wealth and livelihood.

The game is well on its way to a conclusion, and like evolution, impossible to stop. But remember this, like the immorality that is thrust upon us at every turn, there is a compensation in nature. The promotion of homosexuality for example means that larged numbers of the population will fail to reproduce and homosexuality will eventually die out. The money fanatics need consumers to consume the products that make the money, by forcing unemployment on a state they reduce the peoples ability to purchase and consume. The cure, if it were ever possible to administer, is for people to unite and boycott the financial institutions, deny them access to our hard earned cash, eliminate all the services you provide for the financial elite. Then they will use force to take away what they otherwise take away today.

Have a nice read!


Sodomy Photos Were Counterfiet 04.May.2004 07:38

Randell Gomez svcauto@msn.com

I saw the alledged sodomy photos together with the male prisoner abuse photos-same webpage. I believe there were the real incident of abuse of male prisoners but I am not convinced of the female sodomizing photos as being from a real torture incident. It oviously looked extremely fake. the female looked like she was waering a wig, my intuition tell me its fake, but the male prisoners photos looked very much real.

overnight 04.May.2004 10:54

new age scum

We have turned into Nazi Germany OVERNIGHT!!!!! good going Rummy-We'll NEVER erase this shit from our boots, EVER! GODDAMMIT! Our forefathers are turning over in their graves. Iraq is our Waterloo. Put the statue of Liberty in storage, shut the Lincoln Memorial. We've really done it now. How can these people even go on CNN at all? What time does the international WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL begin???

Geez... People, don't be so stupid and conspirasy obsessed 04.May.2004 11:19

Pole

Why now?
Maybe they didn't have enough courage before, maybe another journalists started exposing it so they wanted to be first...
Or maybe beaucause the US tried to make Iraqis look barbaric after the staged Fallujah incident and an honest journalist must stop this racist self-righteous madness against Iraqis.

Geez... People, don't be so stupid and conspiracy obsessed.
I already read about those Makow's theories about satanism in Gibson's "Passion"...
Now this kind of people have new theories...
Not everything is ruled by Illuminati. Get real people.

AM I surprised, SHOCKED and AWED any MORE now? 04.May.2004 13:02

freemountainman, gardner, infinateenergy, flowerpower

Is this supposed to be more ugly than the opening slavo? The battle to Bagdad. Or is this just designed to stir up the emotion's of the readers and viewer's.
A manipulation ploy? I mean how much more is ENOUGH?
It was enough for me on the opening day of hunting season aka Iraq II or DUBYA DUBYA II that I did not watch it on TV and in fact I protested the minute the bombs starting dropping.

now we see ,real face of evil empire 05.May.2004 06:46

Khan

when 85% of American are suporting Bush&co.to go to the war it means they are all complice of the crimes commit by US. army.

so we thanks Bush administration that they show us, the Reality and the nature of his evil empire and satanic rule they have in the world wide.

note:suporting the war means suporting killing,distruction, barbarie actes etc. ..... so it means be complice of the CRIMES.

Iraqi Abuse Photos 05.May.2004 08:42

Arnie

What a crock of sh*t these supposed abuse photos are. The only real problem which remains to this day is that the world if finding out the the was in Iraq is not by design of the not too long ago... cocain using, too much alcohol drinking, oh my God... I just woke up and realized that my wife is going to leave me and write a book about it all and expose my family for the lies they perpetuate, G.W. Bush... but the FACT that this has bee^n, and always will be a CIA war! How else can you explain that "civilians" have jurisdiction and authority of US military??? Wake up world and do the right thing... take up arms against the people who have hijacked the American government. If you find a politican, judge, or lawyer... do the right thing and remove them from society... with extreme prejudice. And always remember to coordinate your actions with those of others. This will not only insure success but will multiply your good work. The time is now to do the right thing. We, as honest and hard working Americans want what our forefathers fought and died for... FREEDOM! No longer will be living like slaves to an oppressive government which has long since abandoned its obligation to the people! Live free or die!

Many times worse than animals 05.May.2004 10:44

Bob Scott GDKNOS@LETS-WATCH.COM

To me this is the most evil. It is DEMONIC.I cannot stand to see such things.I am a nobody in this world.I have no friends. But I have a great deal of love for people, all people. But not for those who do such things. I wish they had never been born.I wish they were totured and dead.It is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.These are the scum at the top. Those who have authority. I will be gald when this demonic nightmare is over.FOREVER. And God shall wipe away all tears from their faces. And death shall be no more. Neither crying or pain. For the former things are passed away.Revelation 21 lets-watch.com


What America Needs to Do... Immediately 05.May.2004 11:03

David Sadler, 2002 GOP congressional candidate, 12th CD/IL sadlerds@intrnet.net

What America Needs to Do... Immediately
by David Sadler
2002 GOP congressional candidate, 12th CD/IL/USA
www.david-sadler.org
2004.05.05

[This posting may be redistributed and reposted as long as full attribution is given to the author, David Sadler, and his website (www.david-sadler.org) is included in the attribution. If the article is published commercially, the author expects a payment of $100.00 (USD). I have to eat too.]

There is no doubt that torture, rape, sodomy and killing is the rule of the day in war on all sides. Those activities occur globally during peacetime. How naive to believe they wouldn't occur during war.

There is also no doubt that psychological warfare is being conducted 24x7 globally. No one knows the truth or scope of what is going on IN THE DETAILS. But by fitting what we are led to believe into the context of what we think we know, we can begin to see what is happening ON A GRAND SCALE.

Those in control of the US government have no business attempting to occupy the world using the resources and the people of the United States. Such an aggressive, imperialist foreign policy is totally at odds with the principles America's founders held. See notes below. (1)

When Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld spoke of "Old Europe," he forgot to mention "Old America." Old America was the nation our founders established. Old America no longer exists and hasn't existed for a very long time. Such a statement sounds like a conspiracy theory to most Americans, but then, most Americans have been pacified for decades as a result of constant mass psychological warfare being waged upon the American people.

This statement, too, sounds like a conspiracy theory to many. These people are ignorant of the history of psyops programs conducted by our own military during times of war and peace.

*** In a letter to the War Department in early 1946, McClure advocated the integration of material on psychological warfare into service school curricula, stating, "The ignorance, among military personnel, about psychological warfare, even now, is astounding."
-- Major General Robert Alexis McClure: Forgotten Father of US Army Special Warfare,  http://www.psywarrior.com/mcclure.html --

By controlling the media ('news,' entertainment and 'non-fiction' genres including 'science') and public education (state sponsored and public supported indoctrination centers), the American people have been conditioned and pacified. They have been programmed to allow those who have co-opted their government and national treasury to conduct whatever domestic and foreign policies the co-opters desire. The American people will even wave plastic American flags made in China while those special interests who profit from conducting foreign policy in the name of the American people go about their hidden and profitable agendas.

*** "Whatever it is that the government does, sensible Americans would prefer that the government do it to somebody else. This is the idea behind foreign policy."
-- P.J. (Patrick Jake) O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. "Very Foreign Policy," Parliament of Whores (1991) --

*** "If we hope to understand anything about the foreign policy of any state, it is a good idea to begin by investigating the domestic social structure: Who sets foreign policy? What interests do these people represent? What is the domestic source of their power? It is a reasonable surmise that the policy that evolves will reflect the special interests of those who design it. An honest study of history will reveal that this natural expectation is quite generally fulfilled. The evidence is overwhelming, in my opinion, that the United States is no exception to the general rule -- a thesis which is often characterized as a `radical critique,' in a curious intellectual move.
Some attention to the historical record, as well as common sense, leads to a second reasonable expectation: In every society, there will emerge a caste of propagandists who labor to disguise the obvious, to conceal the actual workings of power, and to spin a web of mythical goals and purposes, utterly benign, that allegedly guide national policy.
A typical thesis of the propaganda system is that `the nation' is an agent in international affairs, not special groups within it, and that `the nation' is guided by certain ideals and principles, all of them noble. A subsidiary thesis is that the nation is not an active agent, but rather responds to threats posed to its security, or to order and stability, by awesome evil forces."
-- Noam Chomsky --

Ultimately, the American people are responsible for all war crimes committed under our flag. Most certainly, we will suffer more than those whom we 'elected' and who commit the crimes in our name. For those Americans who today are disgusted by these revelations and seek to see someone pay, look in the mirror. Did you support our invasion of Iraq? Did you support our wars in Korea and Vietnam?

...

America's founders had a different vision for America, but that vision was hijacked and America's great wealth and ingenuity have been co-opted by those whose centuries old agenda, predating America's birth, has been to form a one world government (OWG).

Those who have written that this war, and the events and statements surrounding it, is following a script are absolutely correct.

*** "There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell the country for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
-- John Swinton (New York Times editor, from a speech to the New York Press Club, 1953) --

There is no difference between those who desire a new world order (NWO) and those who desire a OWG. Neither is there a difference between the governments these global conspiracies are in the process of establishing. OWG/NWO is already here and in place. The global government is merely consolidating its power. There is a power struggle going on to see who controls the world government, just as there is always a power struggle between the various partisan political parties to see who controls the power and wealth of any nation. This power struggle involves violence and intrigue within the castle. It has always been this way. Humans haven't changed a bit since the first conspiracy to control and exploit the wealth and lives of others was formed in the minds of at least two people.

This conspiracy will lie, cheat, steal, torture, rape and kill. This conspiracy is alive and well in the US, but it is not confined to, nor did it originate in the US..

*** "Lying is central to the survival of nations and to the success of great enterprises, because if our enemies can count on the reliability of everything you say, your vulnerability is enormously increased....Look at the map of the world: national boundaries have not been drawn by peaceful men leading lives of spiritual contemplation. National boundaries have been established by war, and national character has been shaped by struggle, most often bloody struggle."
-- Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute --

See more of Ledeen's expounding upon the methods of this conspiracy in the notes below. (2)

The scope of this conspiracy frightens even those who have achieved positions of power, and even some who have been a part of the conspiracy.

*** "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
-- President Woodrow Wilson (in The New Freedom, 1913) writing of the western establishment: --

See the notes for others who have spoken of this conspiracy and its subgroups of conspirators. (3)

...

So do not be appalled to learn that torture, rape, killing and lying goes on during war... and peace. Be appalled that you didn't realize it or care about it before now.

The only way we can remove America itself from abusing Iraqis is to leave Iraq. This is not just for the good of the people of Iraq. It is also for the REAL national defense of the United States. And this is what I really wish to talk about.

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I don't know if you've been watching the network TV 'news' programs, but the publication of these US/UK torture photos and the deteriorating situation for our forces in the Middle East has our generals showing fear and not making much sense when they talk. It's as though they are scripted to such a narrow range of things they can say about the situation that they can't form a complete sentence pertinent to the questions being asked. They can't even explain themselves when they are asked to comment on their own.

Now the Marines and the Army are blaming each other for losing the initiative in Iraq. Childish and quite in tune with the performance we see from world press accounts, but more than this, it is quite telling as to the situation. Our armed forces are self-destructing. Rather than face the realities of where we are and what we are doing so we can form an exit strategy, the services are infighting to shift blame.

Rather than thinking about our nation and our troops and getting them out of Iraq quickly and safely, the top brass are engaging in corporate office politics trying to position themselves to survive politically after the military defeat that is on the horizon in Iraq if we stay.

It's disgusting to watch. As the article you forwarded so clearly describes, our logistical and personnel problems are virtually insurmountable unless America goes to a full war footing, and the folks in town really don't want to do that. It's too inconvenient. A national war footing would interfere with summer little league and Friday nights out on the town. The problem for America is, the volunteer forces that got us into this mess cannot sustain it. If we stay, conscripts will be required.

The really scary part is our generals and political leadership will most likely choose to lose it all rather than retreat, reform and reanalyze. Rather than pull our troops out so they can survive and provide a real defense force for the US, these political warriors will most likely keep our troops there and add to their numbers under various means that will begin to show up more clearly in our local communities right after the fall election IF our military situation can wait that long.

In reaction to the Department of State order to remove non-essential personnel from Saudi Arabia, the Middle East nations are escalating in response to perceived weakness in the US position due to the 2004 fall election, US personnel problems, supply shortages, identified tactical weaknesses in our structure and strategy, the growing realization that the US intends to occupy Iraq for decades to come and that our treatment of Iraqis is closer to tyranny than liberation.

Now we have a shortage of corporate contractor truck drivers. The Iraqi defenders are targeting our supply lines with much success. There is no way to secure the supply lines in a nation that does not want us there. Despite the manipulated polls showing that most Iraqis want us there, the truth is they don't. This is borne out by the ability of the resistance forces to attack our convoys at will then disappear back into the civilian populous without a lot of finger pointing by 'pro-US' Iraqi citizens. It's obvious to all but about 95% of Americans. Sad...

Does anyone really think that groups of men could haul weapons out of town and back again on daily raids or bury roadside bombs, then watch and detonate them without the community knowing who is doing it and supporting them doing it??? Americans are willing to believe a psychological operations poll over common sense.

It seems that $100k tax free is not enough for those truck drivers who went and saw. It is time that we respond to every American who supports this war but stays home by asking, "Can you drive a truck?"

If they say, "No," respond by saying, "You can learn in 21 days. If you support the war, don't you think it is time to do the honorable thing and join in this fight to defend whatever it is that you think is being defended? This is a corporate war now, and you need not attempt to join the military to lend your support to this effort. You can contract to lend your help regardless of your age. Do you believe in this cause enough to join the fight yourself?"

Here are three questions I have found to be stumping all advocates of this war. Now with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight,
"Why did the U.S. fight the Korean war?"
"Why did the U.S. fight the Vietnam war?"
"Was the U.S. significantly threatened by either of these nations?"

If they wish to talk after this, ask:
"Who profited from these wars?"
"How did you or your family profit?"
"Looking back, you know families whose grandpa, father, son and grandson have now each fought in one or more wars. Perpetual war did not start with terrorism, but we are being told to expect war for the next twenty years because of terrorism. We are being told this is a 'generational war' that will last the 'rest of our lives.' We are being told that during war our constitutional liberties must give way to national security. If we are to set aside our constitution for the rest of our lives and sacrifice our sons and daughters to the fight, what and who are we defending???"

Now I know why the Bible drills it into us that we are God's "children." Our 'leaders' are acting and talking with the logic of children!

As a child, I used to think our leaders were adults with great wisdom, but it didn't take long as a child to realize there was no consensus among these wise leaders. As I grew older, I realized there was no wisdom at all. Some had vast knowledge, but the knowledge was handicapped with partisanship, prejudice and self-interest. Now, this war is showing me that these people are not adults at all in the sense that I once envisioned the adult reasoning process. Their measured and mature responsibility to their fellow soldiers and their fellow man is nonexistent.

It is typical of the ignorant American populous that we do not question why we are not told what the rest of the world knows and sees each day concerning the war. This Fatwah issued by Saudi clerics being a factor in the Department of State issued order to evacuate non-essential embassy personnel from Saudi Arabia is an example. Two quotes come to mind.

*** [Senators] only watch American TV
"Last Wednesday, CIA officials gave a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill about the rising tide of anti-Americanism sweeping the Arab world. Particular emphasis was placed on Jordan and Egypt. As agency officials discussed the depth of hatred for U.S. actions, the senators fell silent. There were delicate discussions about the uncertainty, if the war was protracted, of "regime stability." After the briefing, "there were senators who were ashen-faced," said one staff member. "They were absolutely depressed." Much of what the agency briefed would not have been news to any close watcher of the BBC or almost any foreign news broadcast. "But they [the senators] only watch American TV," said the staffer. Most of the senators had been led to believe that the war would be quick and that the Iraqi populace would be dancing in the streets. " -Newsweek, April 7 Issue -

*** " The nation that expects to be ignorant and free . . . expects what never was and what will never be. "
- Thomas Jefferson -

On the other hand, the retired military commanders have no trouble whatsoever stating the grave situation we are in. I could go on, but I think you understand where we are regarding logistics, supplies/personnel and now a region wide redoubling of efforts to expel or destroy the US deployments.

The tactical situation changed in favor of the defenders even before 'the cessation of major hostilities.' They have learned to disrupt our supply lines, destroy our convoys and disrupt our ability to drain their nation of its oil to pay for the very expensive task of fighting a war on the other side of the globe.

Their supply lines are as close as the nearest town. They have learned to shoot around our vests. They have learned to take down our choppers with rpgs and to take out our M1 tanks with the rpg rp-7vr. They have learned to defeat our very expensive and complicated weapon systems with very inexpensive but highly effective, mobile and easily concealed weaponry that does not take more than a day to learn to use and is not dependent upon computers, lasers and highly coordinated communications. This is another reason why we have a tank shortage in Iraq. Many of them have gone up in flames and smoke from an rpg!

The Iraqi defenders have established a REAL coalition of the willing, as help is coming from surrounding Middle East nations in the form of material and personnel who are fighting for very little if any financial reward. Instead, their coalition seems to be fighting for the reason Americans used to be told we fight wars. We used to be told we won wars because we knew for what we were fighting. We used to think we were fighting for OUR freedom and OUR defense, but no more. Now we are fighting for a government paycheck, GI benefits for college, a $100k tax free corporate contract and cheap oil. In short, WE are fighting for MONEY, while THEY are fighting in the DEFENSE of their nation and culture. The difference could not be clearer.

We should get the hell out of there pronto, come home and regroup for what is going to be a very rough time because of US energy dependency upon oil. We must do what is necessary right now to shield ourselves from the inevitable disruption of our energy supplies (both global and domestic) from either intentional sabotage, geologic realities and/or rising prices that cannot be sustained by our weakened economy.

Whether peak oil is a geological reality or contrived market shortages does not matter. Prices are rising; our nation is fighting for oil and we are long way from being able to convert our nation to a new energy source even if one were available. The oil companies can not be trusted to tell us what the proven reserves are, and that number matters not, as long as the oil companies control the supply and price in this centralized energy cartel business model.

Because of increased costs due to rising gas prices, food sales are down and food prices are up. This can't go on for long before cold and hungry people who can't afford to drive to work demand action from their 'leaders.' I don't think that under these circumstances, where one is forced to choose between food and fuel, that people are going see invisible terrorists more of a threat than the empty cupboard and gas tank.

Now factor in that our foreign policy has created more enemies that we can possibly fight off, and our vast, indefensible energy transmission system in the US and globally is vulnerable to attack and prolonged disruption, just as our supply lines in Iraq are being currently disrupted.

Those who still want to just kick ass for glory and false patriotism will be kicking ass with an empty stomach and nowhere to go. The war that needs fighting is the energy war here at home and every other industrialized nation on the planet including the United Kingdom. If Americans don't see that soon, it will too late when the lights go out.

David Sadler
www.david-sadler.org

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Notes:
(1)
"'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world."
-- George Washington (1732-1799), U.S. general, president. speech, Sept. 17, 1796. Farewell Address, vol. 35, The Writings of George Washington, ed. John C. Fitzpatrick (1940). --

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliances with none."
-- Thomas Jefferson noninterventionist foreign policy position, 1801 inaugural address --

"...Commerce, which if properly managed, will be a better instrument for obliging the interested nations of Europe to treat us with justice."
--Thomas Jefferson (1797) --

"I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe. Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war."
-- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, June 11, 1823, to President James Monroe --

"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She well knows that by one enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom."
-- John Quincy Adams (1821) --

"Act for ourselves [the United States] and not for others," by forming an "American character wholly free of foreign attachments."
-- George Washington --

"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible."
-- George Washington --

(2)
"Without fear of God, no state can last long, for the dread of eternal damnation keeps men in line, causes them to honor their promises, and inspires them to risk their lives for the common good....Without fear of punishment, men will not obey laws that force them to act contrary to their passions. Without fear of arms, the state cannot enforce the laws... to this end, Machiavelli wants leaders to make the state spectacular."
-- Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute --

"Dying for one's country doesn't come naturally. Modern armies, raised from the populace, must be inspired, motivated, indoctrinated. Religion is central to the military enterprise, for men are more likely to risk their lives if they believe they will be rewarded forever after for serving their country."
-- Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute --

"... of course, we can always get lucky. Stunning events from outside can providentially awaken the enterprise from its growing torpor, and demonstrate the need for reversal, as the devastating Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 so effectively aroused the U.S. from its soothing dreams of permanent neutrality."
-- Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute --

"Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our own society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity, which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. Seeing America undo traditional societies, they fear us, for they do not wish to be undone. They cannot feel secure so long as we are there, for our very existence—our existence, not our politics—threatens their legitimacy. They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission."
-- Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute, in his recent publication, 'The War Against the Terror Masters' --

we must destroy them to advance our historic mission... abridged
" Creative destruction ... both within our own society and abroad ... [foreigners] seeing America undo traditional societies may fear us, for they do not wish to be undone . . . They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission.
-- Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute, in his recent publication, 'The War Against the Terror Masters' --

(3)
"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
-- J. Edgar Hoover --

"There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."
-- Senator Daniel K. Inouye, Dem. Hawaii --

"Those who formally rule take their signals and commands not from the electorate as a body, but from a small group of men (plus a few women). This group will be called the Establishment. It exists even though that existence is stoutly denied. It is one of the secrets of the American social order. [...] A second secret is the fact that the existence of the Establishment -- the ruling class -- is not supposed to be discussed."
---Arthur S. Miller, George Washington University law professor (deceased) --

"In time, members of the establishment lose the ability to discern what is and is not permissible and advisable to openly articulate. They make statements that reveal grave establishment secrets. These statements can be collected and compiled (as in this compilation at  http://www.mega.nu/ampp/) to document the nature of the establishment in the words of its own members."
-- Daniel Pouzzner,  http://www.mega.nu/ampp/ --

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined; by those who are behind the scenes."
-- Benjamin Disraeli, 1844, Prime Minister of England --

"From the days of Spartacus Wieskoff(?), Karl Marx, Trotsky, Bella Kuhn(?), Rosen Luxemborg(?) and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite, recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now, at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hairs of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
-- Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of England, 1922 --

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scene."
-- Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court justice --

"The real menace to our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus has spread its slimy legs over our cities, states, and nation."
-- John Hyland(?), mayor of New York, 1825 --

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the United States since the days of Andrew Jackson."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a letter to Colonel E. Mandell House in 1933; letter is in the [National] Archives --

"There does exist and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for 20 years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret record."
-- Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University history professor (deceased), in Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, 1966, p.950 --

[...] In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.''
--Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, p.324 --

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This torture is punishment for what crime? 05.May.2004 11:55

BobScott gdknos@lets-watch.com

So why are these prisoners treated this way? Is this the righteous anger of Americans for those hidden weapons of mass destruction? What is the crime? We still don't know why the invasion.The Americans are the only ones committing crimes here.They are the liars and criminals.So these innocent prisoners are in total control of the Freedom loving Americans.These are people who have wives and families; who walk in society as well respected, loved, accepted, and legitimate members.And what is in their hearts? What will they do when they think they have total freedom to do to another helpless human being what they want? Forget about their appearance .This is who they really are.This is what they are every day of their life, but what you don't see.I live in America. I was homeless for a number of years. I was hated (still am), looked down upon as the lowest of the low,treated worse than a dog.But I am Christian and have a great deal of love for people, espeacially the poor and weak.To this day I am looked at as a criminal, and a dangerous person. An outcast in America by all, even my family. And these(torturers) are the people loved and accepted in the United States today.To me Americans are the worse people on the face of GOD's EARTH !!!


Old hat 06.May.2004 11:28

quagmi

[b]Colin Powell - He Lai

A curious thing happened today, in the frantic Administration effort to paper over the atrocities going on in Iraq. The New York Times reports:  http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/politics/06CABI.html?hp

[quote]
"Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who has often been at odds with Mr. Rumsfeld, went so far on Tuesday night as to talk about the prison abuse scandal in the context of the My Lai massacre of scores of unarmed Vietnamese men, women and children by American troops, a historical reference that was not in the White House talking points that sought to stem the damage from the scandal.

"Mr. Powell, in an interview on CNN's 'Larry King Live,' brought up My Lai without prompting, saying that he served in Vietnam 'after My Lai happened' and that 'in war, these sorts of horrible things happen every now and again, but they're still to be deplored.'
[/quote]

The New York Times may have a short memory (they don't really, they just don't care to exercise it), but Left I on the News remembers that there's a little more than a passing relationship between Colin Powell and My Lai. Let Robert Parry and Norman Solomon tell the story:

[quote]
"Maj. Powell returned for his second Vietnam tour on July 27, 1968 [Just two months after My Lai; note that Powell had served in Vietnam both before and after My Lai]. This time, he was no longer a junior officer slogging through the jungle, but an up-and-coming staff officer assigned to the Americal division [the division which perpetrated the My Lai massacre].

"A test soon confronted Maj. Powell. A letter had been written by a young specialist fourth class named Tom Glen. Glen's letter contended that many Vietnamese were fleeing from Americans who 'for mere pleasure, fire indiscriminately into Vietnamese homes and without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves.' Gratuitous cruelty was also being inflicted on Viet Cong suspects, Glen reported [the letter did not specifically mention My Lai, but any serious investigation of the letter would certainly have uncovered that scandal].

"Maj. Powell undertook the assignment to review Glen's letter, but did so without questioning Glen or assigning anyone else to talk with him. Powell simply accepted a claim from Glen's superior officer that Glen was not close enough to the front lines to know what he was writing about, an assertion Glen denies.

"After that cursory investigation, Powell drafted a response on Dec. 13, 1968. He admitted to no pattern of wrongdoing. Powell claimed that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully. The Americal troops also had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions, Powell noted.

"'There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs,' Powell wrote in 1968. But 'this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division.' Indeed, Powell's memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.

"Powell reported back exactly what his superiors wanted to hear. 'In direct refutation of this [Glen's] portrayal,' Powell concluded, 'is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent.'"

[/quote]

36 years later, and Powell's role is still the same. Do your best to hide American atrocities in the first place. When they surface, claim they're just "isolated incidents," and that relations between American soldiers and the natives of the country in question are excellent.

Colin Powell may be part of the Dept. of State, not the Dept. of Defense, but he's still the "good soldier" he was 36 years ago.



[/b]

 http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html

Abu Ghraib Just The Tip Of The Iceberg
By Ismail Salami Tehran Times


[b]The recent scandal of U.S. soldiers blatantly crushing the spirits and pride of Iraqi inmates at the Abu Ghraib prison by stripping them naked and performing sadistic acts upon them adds to the many crimes committed by the U.S. government. It's too naïve to think the CIA and the Pentagon were unaware of such activities or that such crimes were committed only by a rogue element of sadistic-voyeuristic reservists who knew nothing about the Geneva Conventions. Crimes are crimes, but nothing can be compared to the sight of a broken spirit. [/b]

According to reports, the U.S. military has admitted to 25 deaths in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, including two murders. Yet, the reports are not complete. And realities that are more horrific will soon emerge to shock public opinion and shatter the image of the Mr. Nice Guy who has embarked on quixotic adventures in quest of an imaginary enemy. U.S. President George W. Bush is feigning innocence, as if such crimes are beyond his imagination. Now he intends to apologize to the Muslim/Arab world and say, ?Well, things did not happen the way I preferred. Torture is a strange word in our dictionary. It?s only to be found in other countries, particularly in those I branded as members of the axis of evil.?

Commenting on the pictures depicting torture at Abu Ghraib prison, Bush said, "These images do not represent what America stands for, nor do they represent the high standards of conduct that our military is committed to upholding." Well, he is right. These images do not represent the true nature of the U.S. government, but rather are a microcosm of their myriad crimes. We still do not have a clear picture of what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq. However, the evil record of the U.S. government leaves no doubt that more will be revealed. One wonders why Mr. Bush even bothers to try to conceal the shameful history of the U.S. government.

An inquisitive person can always discover the truth.

[b]The notorious Iranian intelligence service SAVAK was the brainchild of the U.S. government. The U.S.-sponsored SAVAK agents, who committed extremely barbaric acts of torture, were trained by the CIA and even studied CIA torture manuals.

In Vietnam, thousands of prisoners held by the U.S. died under torture. In Latin America, U.S.-backed dictatorships systematically tortured political prisoners. Most of these torturers were also trained by U.S. personnel. [/b]

Optimism is a good feeling which helps people stay alive spiritually. Yet, unfortunately, there is no reason to believe the U.S. government will bother to delve into the heart of the matter and diagnose the root causes of such inhumane treatment in order to eradicate the evil, since the United States thrives on evil. Rather, they will try to bury the matter in the cavernous archives of their crimes.


 http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=5/6/2004&Cat=14&Num=002

Shocked! But Why? 08.May.2004 03:35

Esamax esamax2004@yahoo.com

It seems to this observer that everyone knows what goes on in prisons in America, so why are we so bothered about what goes on in an American run prison in Iraq? The only difference is that in America, the guards generally allow the prisoners to abuse each other, thus saving the guards the trouble...
This is not to condone the torture of Iraqis, merely to point out that, given the state of prisons at home in peacetime, it seems inconsistant to be so terribly shocked about what goes on in war...

Wwhen will it end?? 15.Jul.2004 17:35

Robert Gdknos@yahoo.com

I believe this coming New World Order, will make the "New Order" that Hitler was seeking to establish look like a picnic. The prisoner abuse seen in Iraq,etc.seem to be indications of this. No wonder Jesus said..."Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth".Rev 3:10 It will no doubt be a truly horrible, satanic, and very dark time. "And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them." Rev 14:13
"And thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased!

The LORD YHVH hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee,, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us."
Won't that be a good time to be.