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The Armagedon Plan: Nightline Sells Martial Law

Will the US be under martial law by June, 2004? That is the impression some are expressing after witnessing a recent episode of Nightline (4/7/2004), with Ted Koppel. On this particular program Koppel is host to Richard Clarke, former Reagan officials Edwin Meese III and Kenneth M. Duberstein; former Clinton official Sally Katzen, author James Mann, and former Bush official Richard Clarke. The subject matter is named The Armageddon Plan.
Scott Loughrey
Nightline Sells Martial Law (4/2004)

Will the US be under martial law by June, 2004? That is the impression some are expressing after witnessing a recent episode of Nightline (4/7/2004), with Ted Koppel. On this particular program Koppel is host to Richard Clarke, former Reagan officials Edwin Meese III and Kenneth M. Duberstein; former Clinton official Sally Katzen, author James Mann, and former Bush official Richard Clarke. The subject matter is named The Armageddon Plan.

Because many US citizens hold favorable views of Richard Clarke he was playing a key role. His affability enables him to convey the dark plans of the Bush Regime to critical observers without alarming the unconcious masses. On this program Clarke was on to inform elite audiences that they better get used to the idea the Bush Regime will sponsor a cataclysmic event in order to plunge the US under martial law.

Richard Clarke is already a legend in the world of propaganda. So far the Bush Regime has parlayed his "defection" from them with great success. As Karl Rove probably surmised, The Left Gatekeepers (e.g., Democracy Now! and Counterpunch, etc.) have been only very eager to treat Clarke's mild disagreements with the Bush Regime as their outer limit of permissible dialogue. With the liberal US media regarding Clarke's thesis that the Bush Regime was merely negligent about 9-11 as if it were the only idea possible the White House sailed through the 9-11 Commission/Coverup proceedings.

Now that the 9-11 Commission/Coverup has been safely wrapped for the Bush Regime the mainstream media is now giving some focus to James Mann's curiously-timed book (Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet, Viking Press, 2004)). Vulcans concerns the efforts of present and past White House officials to establish a set of procedures for the highest-levels of government to follow should a catastrophic attack occur on US soil.

(Note that Nightline has dropped the moniker Rise of the Vulcans for the more Regime-friendly The Armageddon Plan. The latter conveys a greater sense of a Regime reacting to a stimulus, not being the source of it.)

The segment began with congenial chatter between the past and present government officials. As if he is hosting a dinner party Koppel smoothly has his guests reminisce fondly about past drills performed by high-level government officials to test their emergency preparedness. Koppel then imagines an attack that decimates the US Congress. They break for a timely commercial. After the break Koppel immediately launches into the key part of their script: "... aren't [we] left for at least the foreseeable future with some sort of martial law anyway?"

Duberstein agrees with Koppel, adding "You have to suspend rights."

Koppel continues by saying: "... And during that period, then, and given the sense of panic that is inevitable under circumstances like this, the executive branch of government takes on extraordinary power, doesn't it?"

Clarke agrees by saying: "I think in any war where Washington were [sic] destroyed, inevitably, there would be a period of, for lack of a better term, something like martial law. The key here is, though, that the plans all call for going back to a normal three-branch system, as rapidly as possible."

Koppel reacts to Clarke's ideas by suggesting what he has said is a new idea to many leaders in Washington. Sure it is, Ted. The conversation quickly winds down.

Nightline's very efficient use of Richard Clarke to prepare elite viewers for martial law is leading other observers on the Net to reluctantly conclude the merciless Bush Regime is actively planning the catalyst for their own Armagaddon Plan. In a different world perhaps, the journalist leading a nationally-televised discussion about the prospects of the US government under martial law would look Clarke in the eye and ask him if the Bush Regime isn't planning to set off some nukes shortly in some city close to Washington DC (e.g., Baltimore). It really isn't that hard to imagine that the prospect of ruling planet Earth from a secret, underground bunker would gladden Dick Cheney's venal heart. He's been practicing in secret locations for decades in gleeful anticipation for such a moment.

As the prospects for survival under the Bush Regime becomes increasingly dire it should be obvious by now that the only way to stop them is to continue spreading the truth about 9-11, Richard Clarke and the Left Gatekeepers notwithstanding. Specifically, the last idea the Bush Regime wants people to receive is the revelation that jet fuel burning black cannot possibly melt steel. So anti-war activists, it is high time that we tell everyone about this that we can.

Scott Loughrey

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wow 21.Apr.2004 16:02


This is a really frightening idea- but i could totally see it happening, now that you mention it. don't usually watch Nightline, but you're absolutely right, the mild disagreement of Clarke with Bush, the prepping of elites, etc. it all adds up to something really creepy.

Great news, 21.Apr.2004 17:11

this just in

Now what the fuck are we going to do about it??

Caught it 21.Apr.2004 21:30


I was flipping thru the channels that night and happened to catch the last part of that nightline episode. It was bone-chilling. What scares me even more is the fact that in order to declare martial law they will need an event more evil than 911.
I agree, continue to spread awareness about 911. Its a scam and Bush is worse than Nixon ever dreamed of being. America is dieing, dont be silent.

Rex 84 redux 21.Apr.2004 22:21

innocent bystander

This isn't so different from Reagan's plans for suspending the constitution in case of massive protests about intervention in Central America. This plan was cooked up by that good ol' boy Ollie North. For some reason these right-wing regimes seem to think our rights are something that can be 'suspended'. That idea is, of course, completely wrong. What part of "inalienable" don't they understand?

What to do? That is the question. And at what cost?

Evil Unveiled 21.Apr.2004 22:36

Von Noni

It is interesting to see how they are spoonfeed people into believing that martial law is logical and inevitable. They use television quite well to tell people what to think and what to believe. If you see it or hear about the possibility of it on tv then they are setting the stage for their next orgy of destruction and control. They are sick and know no limitations as their lust for power and control corrupts them absolutely. I wish we had an athiest for a president so we would have someone with a hard on for armeggedon. The only God he is listening to is the God of War. Mars was his name in Roman Times.

biological weapons 22.Apr.2004 00:25


The way the media is hyping it up, i would have to say it be virus attack of some sort, that would give them the easiest reason to quaranteen or lockdown or use MARTIAL LAW. im afraid. I love this country but am completely flabbergasted as to what has gone on in this administration. This president doesnt have a clue, and what choices do we have??? Puppet on the left, puppet on the right, were fucked either way

The Website that Roared... LetsRoll911.org 22.Apr.2004 00:33

Phil Jayhan

Check out LetsRoll91.org;

It's attracted the bright spotlight of the Feds and shken Washington in the last 3 weeks;


phil jayhan

The Only Way the NEO-CONS can Stay in Power 22.Apr.2004 01:01


As the neo-cons are under attack because of the arrogance clouding their criminal minds and their subsequent mistakes full blown martial law is their only hope. Most large city metro plans already include 1. Announcment 2. Alowing the "Mad Max" scramble to go to max chaos level 3.Cordon the city with troops and cops 4.Aerial spraying of Opiate type chemicals, Novichock(see Russian Play counter terror attack on Chechens), or Bio weapons if they really want to get it on (estimated death and injury numbers have already been crunched on this by actuaries)5. Tactical armored vehicle deployment begins after shut down of power, gas, water, and telephone.6. Some peasants start to awaken ... 7.Search & Destroy resistance to New announcement re. all food, water,gasoline and guns belong to the Martial Command.8. Round up sorting and tagging and massive force and brigandage by troops whether U.S. or foreign troops here for training are involved. Sports stadiums, schools, parks, prisons, and warehouses to be used.9.Search & Destroy again and again. ENTER THE DARK NIGHT.
However their forces will be spread thin and with m-95 gas masks, tyvek suits, and the proper deer rifle resistance will not be futile...move, shoot, and communicate. God Bless The Republic!

Check out Garden Plot,Cable Splice, and all Executive orders from Reagan til now.

Impeach 'the gang of five' 22.Apr.2004 01:26


does IMPEACHMENT ring a bell? the momentum is there-just do your part by signing the papers.a web site is already avaliable for getting involved. three books published(recently) by former bush officers will easily serve as evidence. our very brave and loyal soldiers are over in iraq dying....(for you??)so why can't americans get up enough 'NERVE" to sign a measly piece of impeachment paper? nahhh... they are all too busy enjoying the 'american dream' beer-sports-partys-vacations-barbeques-dinning-etc. think about the "let's roll" folks on that plane-as they knew they were going to DIE,but tried to do somthing themselvs-knowing they had avery slim chance to survive. are there ANY brave americans left?...you only need to pick up the PEN and sign......

Vote to impeach 22.Apr.2004 02:39

concerned citizen

Vote to impeach:



Public Reaction 22.Apr.2004 02:39


Has anyone out there read the 9th amendment of our glorious constitution? Hang on to your hats folks!!!

so? 22.Apr.2004 03:03


Hiya folks, I'm not scared you know why? Because of people I know, I can make one single phone call and my own personal army armed to the teeth with weapons standing outside my door waiting to do whatever I say.

This is one time I say that I'm proud to be poor. Because I'm a poor white american man and have cirtain links, I am able to fight if necessary.

Thats just great 22.Apr.2004 03:13


New world order at its prime ... The stage is set the curton is about to go up ARE YOU READY?
I think I need a gun every body got a gun? If not I think I need a gun.. do you have a gun.. They have a gun.
all from the guys that didnt win in the first place hmmmmmm
in just 3 short years and we wont even get to vote again... impeach is to late.. its going to be a summer of fun.. and a fall of terror with out power how would you know?
can't you feel it.. the lights are dimming its starting hold tight. its going to be some bumpy nights.
Dont say the bible didnt warn ya
when both sides of a tale say the same things Pick the side that gives you the best chance
 http://aoreport.com/ very good stuff about all this stuff.. and other stuff too
and www.raptureready.com
Think b4 you blink cuz in the blink of a eye it will all be over

Thats just great 22.Apr.2004 03:52


New world order at its prime ... The stage is set the curton is about to go up ARE YOU READY?
I think I need a gun every body got a gun? If not I think I need a gun.. do you have a gun.. They have a gun.
all from the guys that didnt win in the first place hmmmmmm
in just 3 short years and we wont even get to vote again... impeach is to late.. its going to be a summer of fun.. and a fall of terror with out power how would you know?
can't you feel it.. the lights are dimming its starting hold tight. its going to be some bumpy nights.
Dont say the bible didnt warn ya
when both sides of a tale say the same things Pick the side that gives you the best chance
 http://aoreport.com/ very good stuff about all this stuff.. and other stuff too
and www.raptureready.com
Think b4 you blink cuz in the blink of a eye it will all be over

so what can we do about it??? 22.Apr.2004 05:19


So, what can we do about it??? N-O-T-H-I-N-G!!! Just make sure that you believe in Yeshua HaMashiach. The day of the LORD is coming VERY SOON! Peace.

hide in plain sight???!!! 22.Apr.2004 06:14


I seems that all that is necessary to understand the future is to pay attention to mainstream news! Nightline, while chilling is the least of it.

As Alex Jones of Infowars.com has pointed out over and over and over, everyday for 6 hours a day for the last several years, THEY are telling the plans that are in place to control us. On a daily basis he reviews mainstream news, and gov't documents, public statements that show the plan for total control.

But it's all just to keep us SAFE!! It's GOOD for us!

You will be as "free" as they say you will be! Which is the case now but few take the time to realize the true nature of what we call freedom.

Ask your elected offical about the FEMA camps and train yards set for filling boxcars of the "unruly" public to transport them to these camps! See his blank stare!

I hope I don't see half of what I fear for our future.......but for updates..just watch the news and read the paper.

The Coming New World Order! 22.Apr.2004 06:34

Jon Arthur jonarthur@address.com

Hi Folks.
Obviously by the sound of things, the New World Order is marching on. The talk of martial law, national id cards, the criminal USA Patriot Act 1&2, and even the implantable Verichip Microchip from Applied Digital Solutions makes the stakes now even higher.
My friends, the time is getting close to "lock and load"!
Don't go to sleep.....don't vote for either Skull and Bones candidate.
Get your house in order and prepare for the end.
NEVER BOW TO THE GLOBALISTS and always live for the Lord Jesus Christ!

May God Truly Bless This Republic!

Jon Arthur
Nationally Syndicated Talk Show Host
"Jon Arthur Live!"

I think you're right on target! 22.Apr.2004 07:04

Chad Grodi

This would explain the underground tremors at the same times daily under the Cheney residence in D.C.,I don't remember when it was maybe two years,any way it must be for bomb shelter! I really don't see martial law ending very well for the bush regime since there are millions of ex-military in this country that the government routinely turn their backs on ,as we all remember how they treated gulf war syndrome.As terrible as this may sound maybe martial law is what is needed to wake americans up and take back their country!

The Armageddon plan 22.Apr.2004 07:26


My friend's mother-in-law has worked for the IRS for the last five years. She has said the IRS has quietly been closing it's offices around the US and has moved it's main head quarters to Denver CO. This is the place where the weird stories of the underground bases, aliens,contractors being fired so no one would know exactly how huge this underground 'city' is, last but not least, the illuminati with their signature all over the place.
Wouldn't this be the best place for the 'future' government to go hide? But they would need an excuse...hummm...I know! A terrorist attack on Washington! There was a psychic, can't remember exactly who(I think it was Sean David Morton) , that said this attack would happen in July, on OUR independence day, seems approprate as they took down the twin towers on 911; there are many significant meanings to this number. This would serve to rally the 'sheeple' to arms against those 'different' from 'us'. It would also serve to try and break our spirit and accept marshall law.

marshall law 22.Apr.2004 08:05

wise grandma

When I stayed up to watch the election results and saw what was happening, I told my family, " we will not have the next election, we will be under marshall law. My children and grandchildren didn't know what marshall law is, but they may find out soon.

Just Watch 22.Apr.2004 08:25


If you want to know what the future holds for us, listen to the neocon news and read the neocon newspapers. Whatever emergency "contingency" plans are revealed to us is exactly what they are planning. It's the same old ploy: create a problem and give us their solution. So, next time we are given a solution, know that the problem is just around the corner. The NWO boys are telling us exactly what they've concocted. Listen to their words and take them at face value. September could be a really bad month this year. History teaches us one ting: the ones in power have learned nothing from history. Only this time around, we're awake. Are you ready?

Same old fiction 22.Apr.2004 08:25

dhs fellow

Isn't this the same fiction they gave us about Y2K. Martial law, vacant prison camps, detention camp directions on the back of sign....didn't happen did it?

get ready 22.Apr.2004 08:31

pedro alves

get ready and buy weapons.revolution is coming soon.''give me liberty or give me death''patrick henry

Martial law and it's acceptance 22.Apr.2004 08:52


I was talking about the possiblity of martial law being implemented and having the November elections suspended with my daughter, a lawyer in her early 30's, if another 9/11 event occurs. Her comment was that if we have another 9/11 situation she hopes that martial law would be put in place. She considered it logical and necessary. She's not a right wing nut by any means, but neither is she a left wing nut. She is usualy quite logical and reasonable. Which is what scared me about her comment. If people that I consider reasonable would accept martial law, my guess is that it's a done deal as soon as the pollsters report that to the people on Pennsylvania Avenue. The spin has been spun.


martial law 22.Apr.2004 09:35


I hope the author is wrong.However I dobt that.The chain started with seven days in may.May god help America.

A bigger trigger than 9/11 22.Apr.2004 10:05

hideous idiot

Does anyone else wonder about the recent 'upgrades' done to the Statue of Liberty in NY?
It reminds me of the Pentagon having 'upgrades' done prior to 9/11, on the exact spot that ended up getting destroyed...

Conspiracy Theories and the Knowledge Filter 22.Apr.2004 10:13


Hide in Plain Sight had the right idea. The sheeple have become so conditioned by media PsyOps and Spin that the Cabal can now float the idea of an Autocratic take over openly without Lamestream Media having to comment on it.

In fact if you were to take this to the average person on the street odds are that they would give you that blank stare reserved for the obviously insane. You would, in their mind, be assigned the "Scarlet C" of "Conspiracy Theorist" that they have been conditioned to assign to anyone bringing up discordant facts that do not align with the Official Lies.

Looked at another way; the Sheeple are perfectly willing to swallow the Official Lies rather than having the courage to confront the truth and acknowledge the Evil that is going on in the Bush Junta and that which they are perpetuating. That way they can "pop another 'Cold one'" and go back into their stupor of ignorance. To confront the facts and accept what is would scare the shit out of them and they might actually have to take "responsibility" for the existing scene. "Oh No!" "Anything but that!" Not RESPONSIBILITY.

It's pretty damn sick and the hour is late.

I surrender 22.Apr.2004 10:57

Just This Man

Mexico or Canada. Hope they will take me. Do you think it will be like East Germany & Russia or will I be able to leave?

I am one of the Elite which will rule you all !!! 22.Apr.2004 11:42

Emporer Xim of the Jeb'hadar and Cardassian Alliance

I cannot wait to have martial law imposed (hint hint it's not Marshall Law but rather Martial Law)
so I can finally enjoy the dictatorial power to which I am so rightfully entitled.
As a card-carrying member of the non-accredited, Ivy League-like, Illuminatic, vastly conspiratorial legion of the The Elites,
I will crush all you useless sheeple under my Masonic and demonic split-toed hoofs.
Soon I will be able to expunge all that constitutional 2nd ammendment, 4th amendment and 1st ammendment rhetoric
into the black depths of all those underground tunnels which my far-right-wing, capitalist, greedy, 3rd world enslaving
cronies have built in Roswell, New Mexico, since July 4th 1947. After much lubrication by my political action committee, in-left-pocket highly paid
lobbyist and lawyer friends, all those naive globalist United Nation-loving, do-goodie commie left-wing, New-World-Order pinkos
no longer have any clue as to my international-banker-backed plans to collapse the economy by buying all the gold and silver
bullion and coin and then leaving the rest of you credit-card, debt-ridden mortgaged-to-the-hilt dumb-ass country hicks
with no other choice but to work in my old war-buddy family Walmart stores at $5.35 an hour where you can continue to
destroy your fellow countryman's jobs by buying from my crony overseas import company and their cheap Chinese-made running shoes
and Indian-made computer software. Since you are all now home-schooled and believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old
and that the best readin' writin and rithmetic is none at all, your children will never be able to tell the difference
between my outsourced Eastern-Russian call centre employees and the fat, burger-slopping, asparatame-laced, diet coke drinking
lazy government beauracrats at the newly minted United States Local Militia Police Force and Federal Reserve Treasury Building which is in fact
a private corporation, not a public one, owned by your intellectually far superior European betters, the Baron Von Rothschild and his
(read as my fellow) Trilateralist, Bilderberger, CFR, FEMA, NSA, CIA, DIA, Colombian drug running, Iranian-back Islamist,
non-banned-assault-rifle-gun-totin', nuclear missile packing, from-my-cold-dead-hands golf buddies. Since I have helped install the global Superhawks
G.W. Bush, Condi Rice, Cheney, Pearle, etc. by entertaining the masses via my oil-soaked, monopoly-ridden press and media toadies...
all that sex, violence and abortion-loving TV drivel which every American so gleefully watches will cause you to wilfully enter that stone-eyed,
bread-and-circus slumber which allows me to take advantage of good old poor white trailer trash Joe and Jane Q. Public to steal the 2004 election from you,
using my non-dimpled Deibold-made, Halliburton-owned chitless electronically-unsecure voting machines which will randomly select one
of my lackey's (oops..er..make that choose either of the Democratic or Republican non-cigar using, intern-shagging, blue-stained-cross-dressing, Floridinian Electoral-voted candidates).
After this is all said and done, I can then engineer the coming Y2K-like meltdown, global-freezing, asteroid-induced, Yellowstone Super Volcano-caused
global apocalypse which will finally allow the theocratic Azatlanic, Spanglish-speaking, immigrant authoritarian rule so which you richly deserve.
I will then live in Enron-like, pension-funded riches with $5000 gold shower curtains and entertained by my 20 year-old Brittany Spears stem-cell
created clone of a trophy wife (with her plastic surgeon-enhanced Pamela Anderson-like, never-publicly, breast-fed mammaries) while you inner-city
dwelling, rural survivalist starving masses, yearning to breathe asthmatically, the cigarette-company sponsored non-Superfund enhanced filthy air, will
starve in your mud and brick huts fighting gleefully, not with 30-ought-sixes, but rather with spears.

Of course, I will have returned to my native Canada with it socialist health care plan and gay marriage friendly, non-Republican form of government
to watch the Stanley Cup hockey playoffs protected by my red toque and fur Muklucks in my nice cold comfy igloo.


Maureen Farrell <buzzflash.com>

Amoures comment: I read the article on rense .com. There is a compileation going back to Dec 2003. It's a well documented 14 page article with named sources. READ IT!!!!! AT
< http://www.rense.com/general51/nov.htm>


Maureen Farrell <BuzzFlash.com>

Amoures comment: I read the well documented article with references back to Dec 2003. The 14 page article says who and where shown or printed. I read it on < http://www.rense.com/general51/nov.htm>

Attack when? 22.Apr.2004 13:27


I agree that it may happen, but where do they get the june date. I dont see anything indicating that.

The Armagedon Plan: Nightline Sells Martial Law 22.Apr.2004 13:31

Scott Loughrey ehwiebe@mts.net

First time on this site and I love it, thanks to Rense.com that posted your article. Thanks Jeff.
Definitely something drastic this way comes.
All of us should read Sherman Skolnick's "The Onerthrow Of the American Republic - Part 53. The Hang-man Cometh!" He gives you a few pieces of this jigsaw. Available on rense.com a few inches down from this article. It clears up the 60 Minutes interview with Bob Woodward. The two articles fit like hand in glove, "so you must convict".
Being Canadian, I believe it pertains to us just as well, we swim or sink together.
Ernest Wiebe of


COMETS AND ASTEROIDS 22.Apr.2004 13:52


GUESS WHAT PEOPLE - INCOMING!!!!! Find out for yourselves - search out F4,Q4,T7, Itokawa, and Toutatis.

They will not tell us ahead of time. Find out and preprare. Unlikely that we get hit with an Extinction Level event- Likely that we will get hit with one or more 'City Killers'.


wow2 22.Apr.2004 14:24


MMMMMMThis might be fun to. Too many vertans in this ciuntry to put up with this, and others that want less goverment most likly join in the second war of the states!!!!!

a good place to start to look incoming NEO 22.Apr.2004 15:16


Near Earth Objects is
and the sad thing is we are not even off topic at all

love the site

The hour is very late..
look up

Yea Right! 22.Apr.2004 16:03


Martial Law! Yea Right! Even on the governments best day martial law would NEVER work in Texas. Reason being everyone in Texas owns a gun. And it wont happen with out a fight. Plus Martial law would start another civil war in this country. And most of us would agree we wouldnt want another civil war. Please dont buy into this extremist government thought

martial law heebie jeebies 22.Apr.2004 16:32

just another sheeple

Not to worry about Martial Law. The NWO knows it would soon become a civil war and they don't really want THAT on their hands. Look at Iraq. They can't even keep a few thousand fighters at bay. Imagine them trying to contain the entire USA with all it's weaponry! As Papa Soprano says "Fergeddaboudit". And the U.N? Hell, those punks won't even fight the raggedyass Iraqis. You think they're going to take on NRA Militias armed with the Colt Catalogue? Remember, even Nixon was toppled without bloodshed in the streets. In this period there's no room for quick-draw conclusions of utter doom. Hang in there. Not EVERYONE AT THE PENTAGON WORKS FOR DARTH VADER-

Mayday! Mayday! 22.Apr.2004 16:52


I listened to a person called Jordan Maxwell on the Mysteries Of The Mind show on Friday. He pointed out that 'Mayday!' is a distress call given at sea. It's also a public holiday!
Maybe May 1 or the first Monday of the month would be highly appropriate for a "terrorist" event that will usher in the martial law that millions of Americans or Brits would actually demand.
If you are already scared then you will be one of these people.

No Fear.

armegedon plan real? 22.Apr.2004 17:57

weewinki popeye@yahoo.com

This is the best Ted had to offer, the public. What is it evasion of aliens or a fake hoax to bring about it(matial law)lets face it, we have it, Patriot Act, and Homeland defense,plan, and the secret government, chaney in his bunker, under the capital dome. 911-WTC was the start, Teds, playing games, but simulations were really happening at the Pentagon, that day. Is this a "suggestive" idea, he has, or is Ted playing games, hes such a "mole" and a spook, a CIA operative, oh, how the rich live, in total delutions, and cheap wine, and cheese, what fun they play, games with guinne pigs and such, shame of you Ted, count me out and my "family".

Fruitcakes cums to mind.

ta ta!

109 lemon, okalahona city,ok

FEMA - The Secret Government 22.Apr.2004 20:09

By Harry V. Martin with research assistance from David Caul tanchu@olypen.com

FEMA - The Secret Government By Harry V. Martin with research assistance from David Caul Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995 Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations. FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome powers grow under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas. THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, few people know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army. FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed. Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen: EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979. HURRICANE ANDREW FOCUSED ATTENTION ON FEMA FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes, director of the Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The World and I, "...The eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of dropping the ball in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $1.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Yet fewer than 20 members of Congress , only members with top security clearance, know of the $1.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA has worked on National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency, has secretly spent millions of dollars before being merged into FEMA by President Carter in 1979. FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief. FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA's extraordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, such as demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property of those suspected of being drug dealers, to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial. Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation. Once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. But under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking martial law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cites simultaneously, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster. THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Director Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States. The immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at military bases throughout the country. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert Storm was enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to draft new legislation to increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements incorporated into the plan was to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of local or state authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the past. Much of the mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost the bankrupt economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession. The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area, thus preventing a pretext for a FEMA response. On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new goals. The goal was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number 52 issued in August 1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell Disturbances." The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt. Col. North virtually established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the Attorney General prevented the plans from being adopted. But intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. It is believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's concepts, delayed by criticism but never truly abandoned. The crisis, as the government now see it, is civil unrest. For generations, the government was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive demonstrations that surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the direction of emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana Raynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA today and the public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James Madison's worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American's enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy." The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to martial law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency. The most shining example of America to the world has been its peaceful transition of government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great magnitude, the United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now stands on the threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional powers. Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared. For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended. The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are generally found in the society today, economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist attacks, and protests against American intervention in a foreign country. All these premises exist, it could only be a matter of time in which one of these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into action, and then it may be too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored.

RENSE LINK WON'T WORK?? 22.Apr.2004 20:20


i remember a story some where in last 3 weeks about general richard myers? i think who was talking about likelihoods of martial law , i think in context of terror attack before our election, which would cause boosh to stay in office. it was on a sunday talk show, i think?

The Armagedon Plan (To Emporer Xim of the Jeb'hadar and Cardassian Alliance) 22.Apr.2004 22:26

One True Texan robertr 42@aol.com

you thank that you will rule us all. here is a news flash for you KISS MY ASS. I will not be ruled by no one not you not that FUCKED UP BUSH & his punks no one & to the guy that can make one phone call & have an army put togeather I would join in a heart beat. So if you thank you will rule me thank again cause I got something for you. P.S. hope i go to heven but if i don't see you in hell & we well find out.

About Emporer Xim of the Jeb'hadar and Cardassian Alliance... 23.Apr.2004 02:09


I am hoping I'm correct here, in that the poster of the "Emporer Xim" comments was attempting a bit of toungue-in-cheek sarcasm; many use this to make people THINK...especially those who remain asleep or are blissfully ignorant. I know of a gentleman who does a FANTASTIC job at this sarcasm, making people sit up and take notice.

As for the poster who mentioned that all one needs to do is pick up the mainstream media and read it to realize what is going on, they are the one's who have lullabyed the sheople to sleep. Actually, all one needs to do to get the TRUTH is to pick up the Bible, it reads like todays news, but with clarity and Truth.

The time is here, at the very doors, and no matter how much you wish to save your country, or the world, you, me and a host of others will not be able to even put a dent in these demonic plans that are taking over our country. This is no longer the America of yesteryear, this is the Amerika or better yet, USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika). It is no longer, of the people, by the people, or for the people, but rather the Illuminist elites who care not one iota for any of us.

No, we should not sit back and do nothing; I'm active, writing, communicating, speaking, etc...but what REALLY needs to be done now is for those who Trust In, and Believe in JESUS CHRIST to speak to everyone they know, spreading the Gospel of HIS Kingdom. We should be preparing souls, all the while keeping watch as a watchman on the tower, blowing the sounding trumpet to prepare! Sadly, many around me remain ignorant (and they seem blissfully so) to what is truly happening in this country.

As for impeaching Bush, what good would THAT do? We no longer have elections, we are merely given the illusion that we elect those who do not represent us. We no longer have a Republic, but since democracy is the sound bite of the day, everyone feeds into it, as if it is the savior of this world. We no longer have our Constitution or our Bill of Rights, liberal judges have "re-interpreted" them to mean what they WANT them to mean, not what is clearly in black and white. People believe they are free so long as they can jump in their car and go to burger king or walmart, to a movie, buy whatever brand of bread or beer they wish, or even to sit home on their lazy buttocks eating off the labor of the slaves (read hard working legal Americans who pay taxes)! A proverb speaks of this very thing, and to paraphrase it: A lazy man will put his hand into a bag of food, but wont so much as lift his hand to his mouth. There is no longer "responsibility", whether it be personal, marital, family, societal, or professional. Children are left to raise themselves since they have no parent at home to raise them; they are left to the will of the state, to the school/daycare system, to the peers that influence them, to find love wherever they can, because they only get "quality time" at home, rather than TIME period! These children are growing up not knowing what TRUE love is, what sacrifice is, what labor and responsibility are. These children are raised materialistically, thinking that one gets love from things or that is how one shows their love. They aren't embraced and held; they arent worked with; they have no manners and are acting like savage beasts. All the while, parents make excuses why things are as they are, why they need to both be working, and then they justify or excuse the behaviors of their children. They keep the blinders on, thinking their children are better than or above others, that they are above doing any wrong. "It's just the way it is today", "At least they arent doing meth", "Everyone is doing it", "If they are having sex under my roof, at least they arent doing it in the back seat of a car or a grungy hotel"...these are just a FEW example that I have personally heard.

How much worse can it get? Well, MUCH worse! And to bury our heads in the sand will not benefit our fellow man; to deny what is happening will not help those it is happening to nor will it keep it from happening to us!

Someone mentioned civil war? Well, yes, they WOULD want a civil war; it would have us killing each other, which would leave them with time on their hands to carry out their most sinister plans. It would also give them a reason to bring over "international troops" who wont care if they shoot you or your children, much less raping your wives and daughters, pillaging your possessions. Why wouldnt they want civil war? It's happening all over the world (eg. Iraq, Sudan, Phillipines, etc). They have a goal to rid this planet of 4 billion people, what better way than to use disease, war and catastrophies to accomplish it? Each of these allows them to use more of their "dictatorial" powers, which will give them even more control over the masses being led to the slaughter. Ever consider the minor things of today and how they fit in with the "eugenics" of tomorrow? You drivers license has your height, weight, eye and hair color right on it, and soon all your distinguishing characteristics and DNA. Once you are labeled with a "mental illness", you cannot escape it, it is forever sealed upon you, and when the time is right, they know just who is "sick and demented" and who is not...round up time!

But these are just a few of the "basics" going on...it's time to prepare, and if any will hear you, help them to prepare also! But I'm talking a different prepare than what the majority are talking of...I'm talking about your eternal lives. Trust in the LORD, for all things work to fulfill HIS Will, and fear not but HIM only!


btw, if anyone is interested, here are some great sites:

sounds like FEMA has a plan 23.Apr.2004 03:04


Isn't odd that FEMA was made up in the late 60's ?
and its only taken some 40 odd years to get it all up and ready to go...
like I said before sounds like some one has a plan.
This was writtin some 3000 years ago
Psalms 64
v2 Hide me from the secret plots of the wicked From the rebellion of the workers of iniquity
v5 They encourage them selves in an evil matter; They talk of laying snares secretly: They say Who will see them
V6 They devise iniquities: We have perfected a shrewd scheme Both the inward thought and the heart of man are deep.
V7 But God shall shoot at them with an arrow: Suddenly they shall be wounded.
I think WE should all go with the one who made the 1st plan..
Please look at the book with the whole plan in it. the bible..
Its the only thing that can save you/us/all...

Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid

House Approves 'Doomsday' Legislation 4/22 23.Apr.2004 05:39




Chickens: Please Pick Up Your Heads 23.Apr.2004 06:16

Some Old Guy

You are more likely to buy yourself out of a
job by buying cheap imported electronics at
Some-Super-mart than ever live under true
*totalitarian* Martial Law in your lifetime.

This country was under virtual Martial Law for
a week after 9-11. Other than clear skies for
the first time in my long life, I didn't see any
real change in America.

You could still buy guns and ammunition during
that week --NICS was running the whole time.
When you can still go into a gun store and
legally buy a 7.62 Battle Rifle and 1000 rounds
of ammo, it's not Martial Law, kids. Can you
say Clinton/Gore would have allowed that had
9-11 happened on their watch?

(On a side note: funny thing that the so-called
civil libertatians and democrats want the Patriot
Act to expire after 2 years, yet they all had a
problem with the gun-ban being limited to 10 years
instead of a perpetual ban. So, *who* really has
encroached upon freedom in this country?)
There could have been troops in the streets,
there wasn't. There could have been check
points from State to State, there wasn't.
Learn some history. Check out what happened
in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia for a better
view of real martial law and compare it to the
martial law of the US during the Civil War (our
worst example ever). It's still a big difference.

You guys weren't even a distant itch of a itch
when your great-grandparents were using ration
cards and restricted to gas fill-ups once a week.
That's assuming there was anything on the shelf
or even gas to be bought when they could. They
walked and tended their own garden and were proud
it. When was the last time you had foil or lard
collections in your neighborhood? Have you ever
volunteered to do anything? (Carrying a sign
at a rally isn't "volunteering," try Habitat
for Humanity for a better idea of what it really

Get a grip and take it easy. Better yet, get a
grip on a shovel and do some real work for once.


The People


BUSH IS THE ANTIST THAT HAS BEEN PROPHECIED FOR SO LONG. He is the last president and he will be elected again. He is not a real Christian. In 2006 Christianity will be banned in America and Christians will be hunted down as terrorists. FEMA already calls Christians terrorists. That's why they took the Founding Fathers out of school books a FEMA officer said.

Patriot Act
Patriot Act II Section 501 says you can be arrested and secretly executed if they think you're a terrorist and the government believes all Christians are terrorists. By a three military judge panel.

Section 802 of the first Patriot Act that passed and no one was aloud to read it accounding to members of Congress, says the definition of terrorism is any form of action that indangers human life that is a violation of federal or state law. There are many other definations about it that influences government. Read it for yourselves. They are counting on you not reading it or finding out. Hitler and Stalin didn't have the nerve to write that down. They just did it.

It was a staged managed event for them to go around and sell this to the people that this is a good thing. This was really hatched to manipulate you and to con you. That makes me very angry. America is not America anymore. The FBI said they frame people all the time and put them in prison. They want this to be a prison planet.

I can list the crimes of the FBI, the Defense Department, state police, local police all day long. My point is, history shows us that we, as Christians, must watch and we must control, we must limit powerful men. Because power corrupts and absolut power corrupts absolutely. We must be part of history today and do not abstain. To get out in the field in your life and you'll truely be alive. To not sell out to this corrupt system. When the whole world sells out to the system, We,The People, will get more power by not going with the system.

Don't let them scam us.

Section 213 of the first Patriot Act let's them break into your house or business and take whatever they want or plant whatever they want and not tell you for 6 months that they were there and they're administrated. They're rubber stamps. They're not for one person's house because they think he has this on the 4th Amendment. They're for everybody. For whole classes of people. Now under the new Patriot Act they have sections saying, Our officers need not even these administrated sopoenas or warrents. They can go anywhere they want for any crime or suspected crime and they said they are going to use it for everything.

THE VICTORY ACT says any possession of a controlled substance is a terrorist act under Section 802. They said it's a weapon of mass distruction.

People are disappearing in the middle of the night. Are you prepared? America is a great country but we must get the corperate control out so we can be free.

The 5th Amendment is very important subject. During Abolition, which started around 1810 or so, there were cities, there were towns, there were states that were free and they said no to the federal government in the north and to the government in the south and they were safe havens for human beings that didn't want to be in bondage and had the courage to flee and risk their lives. It is so American for local governments to stand up to the tyranny of evil men and say no. That is our place. That is our job. These arguments are baseless and they are arguments of liars and tyrants and sycophants that beg at the hand of this global abcess system. So again, be a part of history. Be a part of history and stand up and don't sbstain. Vote for the Bill Of Rights and Constitution. That shows us how far we've gone, how far we've slid down, into the night and into the abiss, into the darkness. That it's a radical thing for Conservative and Liberal cities. Conservative states like Alaska, Liberal states like Hawaii. It's radical for them to come out and say, You can't secretly arrest people, you gotta have arrest warrents. It goes on and on.

There's this argument they say, Our police officers will get in trouble by not following orders. Not doing what the feds tell them. The feds don't tell the sheriff or the city or the police chief what to do. That's not debatable. They can try but it's a fraud.

It goes back to the 10th Amendment time and time again and it's clear. The Nuernberg trials showed this. That you do not have to follow an unlawful criminal order. Blow that perso's head off and stick him in an oven, NO, You don't have too. Torture people to get answers from them, NO, I'm not going to do it. Take this small pox inoculation. We said so police officer, 99 plus percent said no. They're starting to get wise. You can't stop people from getting wise. It's all over the place. Tyranny's to great. Police aren't going to get in trouble and the feds come in to federalize cities to stop a problem that they caused violating our civil liberties and our God given rights that are in shrines in the first 10 Amendments in the Constitution.

If police just knew our Constitution and taught the Bill Of Rights again there would be trust again in the community. That's what we need. Tell your local polititions to do something right and stand up for humanity.

A pure Democracy is when the Greek were to tally up the stones, they'd say, OK, we're going to kill this guy because we don't like what he's saying. The majority says so and maybe they'll throw him off a cliff. Philosophers would say a Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. That's what a Democracy is. That's why we need a Republic which is a limited Democracy. Where just because a bunch of people under fear when the dictator is carrying out terrorists attacks to scare the people into submission can't stampede off the cliff and round up Arabs, Muslims, Christians or people's land they want. That's what freedom's all about, protecting everybody.

"I want freedom, that's what I want! And that's what you should want!"

"I'm not here to please people but only to please God and spread His Word."

Give Caesar his money and give the people to Jesus as He gave us freedom.

Martial Law 23.Apr.2004 09:06


Where will the military come from? There is none left in the states.

do you think bbb 23.Apr.2004 11:43


That there is a shortage of people in the world who wouldnt be very happy about comming here and taking care of our so called need for troops at home.

Liberty is for the Free Thinking 23.Apr.2004 12:57

Emperor Xim (now that I've spelled Emperor correctly)

Emperor Xim of the now Klingon/Ferengi Alliance (damn shifting alliances) wishes to acknowledge his
rather meek attempt at sarcasm. However is was meant to raise the ire of those who still have an uncontrolled brain to think.

It is not the fault of the Government, The Elites, The CFR, The Bilderbergers et al... that has caused this great nation
to go wayward in its thinking. It is rather the inaction of those who wish to relieve themselves of any responsibility
for their fellow man, woman and child. I am my brother's keeper. Therefore I must in some cases use the rod so that
my brother does not become spoiled. The definition of what sort of rod to use is up to you. My rod is my pen and my keyboard.
I am an angry parent...An angry brother...and I will not let others despoil the beauty of my land for their own gain.
I will first pickup the garbage thrown onto my lawn and then dispose of it. I shall either correct or punish
the miscreant for his offence. My neighbors shall also partake in the correction and be allowed to judge for themselves
the nature of the crime and it's consequences. I will offer the miscreant the chance to defend and/or atone for his mistake.
If no explanation or restitution is forthcoming, said person shall be thrown out and banished to the cruel vagaries of the wild.

One angry ant does not nor cannot not eat an elephant, however one million angry ants does make for a
rather frightening show of power to said (and now scared) elephant.

The key is the one ant is angry enough to get the other millions ants just as pissed, whereupon golly gee we can take
egad...Collective action !!! Yikes! is that a communist phrase: "Collective Action" ?!?!?!

You would be surprised how effective a little paragraph of text can be when distributed far and wide...The idea is called
a MEME. They are ideas or thoughts that you just can't get out of your head. MEME's are like viruses ... they can infect people far
and wide if there are enough carriers.

In short be a "Virus MEME Carrier"...Infect others with your ideas and make other spread those ideas too.
A millions buzzing bees makes for a loud voice in Washington. A million buzzing bees cannot be ignored
and are damn hard to kill.


Now after that is said and done..I still would like to be Emperor so that I can,
at the very least, stroke my already inflated ego. ...The 72 virgins that come along with being Emperor would also be nice too !!!

...and a brand new, shiny fire-engine red Ford F350 Turbo Diesel with tan leather seats, rear duallies, fifth wheeler hitch
1200 watt stereo, 17" Garmin Moving Map GPS Display and Locater and a 17 foot Boston Whaler with custom rod & reels
would also make my day. Oh yes a new Smith & Wesson custom double barrel with etched nameplate would also help
my thinking during those long days at the skeeter range. Oops I forgot the Arctic Cat 4 wheeler ATV will help
get into some of that Ozark back country so I can snag me a few 3 pounders for the 6-burner custom stainless steel
barbecue and help cook mom's fantastic Pot-o-Texas-chili

I am open to massive donations in order to help me achieve this desirable sedentary yet liberating lifestyle.
Plus do help with the addition of a laptop computer so that I may continue my written musings in comfort and peace.

m16s and ak47s? Make me laugh, please 23.Apr.2004 23:57

Psy ops control subject # 23

You are KIDDING your self if you think any weapons like these or any subversive

actions will out think/out run a super computer, Global Hawk, Cruise missle system or the

ever so friendly

chicken virus.

The herd will be thinned and always has been.

We are probably all going to die the question is how and when. A cheap plastic

SUV spewing toxic wastes

kills as nicely as an apocylypse and a greasy chicken patty.

...........Imagine the after image of a nuclear attack for political relief, not to mention millions of

Depleted uranium rounds scattered in diverse areas. (Hint: there is no hope for Man in Man)

Hmm I think Blue Oyster Cult said it best: "Tyranny and Mutation."

[Any semblence to a secret code is purely intentional.]

Martial Law Is On the Horizion 24.Apr.2004 04:30

Artbishop artbishop@mediamonitors.org

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Martial Law Is On the Horizion!

First the 200 election...then 911...then Afghanistan...then Iraq...then a nuclear 912...then martial law...then syria...lebanon...then iran...then egypt...sudan...GREATER ISRAEL!

Bush and Co WANT us to be in a state of WAR with the moslems for the next 20 years.

Holy War Batman!

every man for himself 24.Apr.2004 11:16


Like my father said when he took us on that roller coaster ride when I was a kid and he saw what was coming as the car was read to go down the first 90 degree drop, "Oh shit! hang on for your self".
From that day on I realized I could only depend on myself and no one else to survive.
Better stock up on a extra can of beans or two.
The whistle blowers couldn't stop Pearl Harbor or 9-11. You think anyone can stop what's coming???
The military has taken over our government. Rumsfield said so much so last week when he said they will do and give the military anything and every thing they want.
As far as I'm concerned all those in office including the directors of the FBI and CIA back then ( 9-11) should be held on criminal charges.

It Is Time To Stop Feeding Into Fear 24.Apr.2004 18:37

The Voice Of Hope

The present regime wants us all to believe they are our salvation from terrorism. The first question that comes to mind is who is going to protect us from them? The regime controlled law makers keep passing laws that lead more and more to a police like state. Along with the government controlled media doing their bidding to pave the way for a New World Order. There is a movement that has been growing to stop all of this! It can be found at www.nesara.us and it is time We The People of the United States learn about this law. The website explains everything about the National Economic Secrity And Reformation Act (NESARA) and what is happening right now. On this web site there are many past reports to be read which will help in the understanding of NESARA and how it's announcement will change the present situation. With the NESARA, we the people can take back our freedoms and end the unjusted war that is killing many on both sides. There is something we can do about all of this. It is time we stand up and take back the country our founding fathers setup for us.

Where is the Justification For Spying on a United States Citizen? 25.Apr.2004 10:26

Sherwood Ensey tuatha@cybermesa.com

Where is the Justification For Spying on a United States Citizen?
April 25, 2004

The wheels of tyranny are in motion. The dark and sinister players involved in the machinery to carry out the tyranny and put martial law into effect, are already stealthily at work in the shadows, already eating away at our precious liberties and rights - wanting to take them away from YOU!

You don't believe it? You think the above statement is some sort of a conspiracy fairy tale?

Does the "...it can't happen here" syndrome have you convinced that martial law and tyranny can't happen here, and spying on United States citizens by the US Military can't happen?

The US Military and The Pentagon are already spying on American citizens!!! And spying on it's citizens and closely monitoring the activities of it's citizens, is one of the pre-requisites in getting ready to establish martial law, by any nation intent on a system that will be governed and by tyranny, and run by tyrants!

What I am stating here and am about to further state, will no doubt place me more in the line of fire than I already am, but so be it. The message about what is happening has to get out - that is all that counts, and what is most important.

The following message was sent to several US government agencies yesterday, to Military Generals, to the Inspector General of the United States Air Force, to The Pentagon, the White House, and to the Presidental campaign of Senator John Kerry, and in addition, to numerous others. Some of the responsible US Government agencies had bogus Email addresses listed (the DISA for one) for their agencies, so their messages have been returned, marked as "Undeliverable," which is very convenient on their part. This is one of the reason's I am going widely public with this information.

"5. Except for authorized law enforcement investigations, no other attempts are made to identify individual users or their usage habits."

To Whom it May Concern,
The statement above is apparently a lie. The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) at The Pentagon, continues to actively monitor the Earth Changes Central  http://www.earthchangescentral.com website, and in addition is attempting to identify the users of the site, most of whom are United States citizens.

Why is The Pentagon and the US Military continuing to spy on American Citizens who reside within the borders of the continental United States?

Why is The Pentagon and the US Military actively spying on the Earth Changes Central website with spyware coding / scripting?

Why are these scripting codes and The Pentagon DISA IP address showing up on the Earth Changes Central access log, hour after hour?

What interest does The Pentagon and the US Military have in Earth Changes Central that it has become necessary for them to spy on Earth Changes Central?

What law has Earth Changes Central violated? Is Earth Changes Central being investigated, and if so, why? Where is a subpoena or court order indicating an "authorized law enforcement investigation" is going on?

Where is the 'ethics' and the legal and moral justification, for spying on a United States citizen?

When is this harassment and outright attacks by the US Government, The Pentagon, and the US Military going to come to an end?

Earth Changes Central (ECC)  http://earthchangescentral.com and it's founder, Sherwood Ensey, discuss and present information at the ECC website and worldwide Forums relating to cosmic catastrophism, the Sun-Earth Connection, Near Earth Objects, Comets, and Earth Change issues, including the global climate change that is underway. We discuss and present related issues as well. What is it about the information and issues being presented at Earth Changes Central that has brought about the need for The Pentagon and the US Military to be spying on and disrupting Earth Changes Central?

What gigantic threat does Earth Changes Central and it's few hundred members from around the World, pose to the United States government?

Is the United States already a police and military run state, and we [the citizens] just don't know about it?

Earth Changes Central and it's founder and members, deserve some up front answers and reasons why what is happening, is happening! [More than that, the citizens of the United States deserve an answer why these things are happening!]

When can we look forward to getting those answers and hearing some reasons why? I also want the government / military spyware removed from the Earth Changes Central website, and a public apology for what has been going on, and assurances that the harassment, disruptions, and spying is going to stop.


Sherwood Ensey
Webmaster, Earth Changes Central
HCR 64 Box 17-A
Chimayo, New Mexico

All times shown on the logs are Eastern Daylight Time - USA
[This is only one log of many that I have]

April 25, 2004 00:28hrs EDT
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Date: display=Date dformat=MMDDYY ft=6:md=5:frgb=100;139;216 Http Version: dd=A Size in Bytes: 00
Referer: 28 Agent: 42
Pentagon Server

April 24, 2004 23:54hrs EDT
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Referer: 54 Agent: 37
Pentagon Server

April 24, 2004 23:36hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 23:24hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 22:54hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 21:46hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 21:32hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 21:30hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 20:52hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 20:50hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 20:44hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 20:30hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 20:20hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 19:41hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 19:25hrs EDT
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April 24, 2004 18:23hrs EDT
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Pentagon Server

Server access denied to the following per IP Deny settings on the server:

[Sat Apr 24 16:31:19 2004] [error] [client] client denied by server configuration: /home/wakantan/public_html
Name: belvoir-sun1.iern.disa.mil
IP Address:
Location: WASHINGTON D.C. (38.911N, 77.017W)

[Sat Apr 24 16:31:18 2004] [error] [client] client denied by server configuration: /home/wakantan/public_html
Name: belvoir-sun2.iern.disa.mil
IP Address:
Location: WASHINGTON D.C. (38.911N, 77.017W)

OrgName: The Defense Information Systems Agency
Address: Room BF655A, The Pentagon
City: Washington
StateProv: DC
PostalCode: 20301
Country: US

NetRange: -
NetHandle: NET-198-25-0-0-1
Parent: NET-198-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
RegDate: 1992-12-05
Updated: 2004-01-13

"5. Except for authorized law enforcement investigations, no other attempts are made to identify individual users or their usage habits."

Message sent to disa.mil on April 24, 2004 at approximately 17:40hrs MDT, using the Contact Us form at the DISA website:

Why has the DISA been spying on and monitoring the useage of  http://earthchangescentral.com since approximately 12:00+/-hrs EDT, April 23, 2004? I am hereby requesting the specific nature and reason why this type of activity is taking place, who is responsible for it, and if it is part of an official, and legally authorized law enforcement investigation. If so then I demand a copy of the subpoena and court order authorizing the activity.

I have the logs from the website to back-up my question.

For the fence sitters and others who don't believe it can happen here, or claim that it can't happen here: History is full of examples, and millions of dead, who claimed the very same thing shortly before their demise.

History sadly has a way of repeating itself...

Trust In The Lord Not NESARA! 26.Apr.2004 15:52

Voice Of No Hope In World Organization But Hope In Christ

I believe that the Voice of Hope is delusional. NESARA is just another NWO plot! There is only one that we have hope to bring the world the peace we need and that is Jesus Christ all other governments and organizations will not bring us peace. The prophets of old have told us about those that say peace and safety. Jeremiah is one of them he said in Jeremiah 4:4-11 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD; and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings. Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem, and say, Blow the trumpet in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves and let us go into the defenced cities. Set up a standard toward Zion retire, and say not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. The lion is come up from his thicket, AND THE DESTROYER OF THE GENTILES IS ON HIS WAY; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant. For this gird you with sackcloth, lament and howl: for the fierce anger of the LORD, that the heart of the king shall perish, and the heart of the princes; and the priests shall be astonished, and the prophets shall wonder. Then said I, AM LORD GOD! Surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying Ye shall have peace, whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul. Jeremiah 6:14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of My people slightly, saying peace, peace when there is no peace. II Thessalonians 5:2-6 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the LORD so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they say peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child: and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in the darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are children of the light, and children of the day; we are not of the night or darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. In Jeremiah 30:4-24 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear and NOT PEACE. Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? Wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail. and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of JACOB'S TROUBLE, but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of HOSTS, that I will break his yoke form off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: but they shall serve the LORD their GOD, and David their King, whom I will raise up to them. Therefore fear not, O MY servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed will save from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make them afraid. For I am with thee: though I will MAKE AN END OF ALL NATIONS WHITHER I HAVE SCATTERED THEE, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous. There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines. ALL THY LOVERS HAVE FORGOTTEN THEE; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a CRUEL ONE, for the multitude of thine inquity; because thy SINS WERE INCREASED. Why criest thou for thine affliction? Thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were in creased, I have done these things unto thee. There ALL THEY THAT DEVOUR THEE SHALL BE DEVOURED; AND ALL THINE ADVERSARIES, EVERYONE OF THEM, SHALL GO INTO CAPTIVITY, AND THEY SHALL THAT SPOIL THEE SHALL BE A SPOIL, AND ALL THAT PREY UPON THEE WILL I GIVE FOR A PREY. For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an OUTCAST, saying, This is Zion, whom they seek after. Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingsplaces: and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof. And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glority them, and they shall not be small. Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be etablished before me, and I will punish ALL THAT OPPRESS THEM. And all their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall appoarch unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD. And YE SHALL BE MY PEOPLE AND I WILL BE YOUR GOD. Behold a whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked. The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return until HE hath done it, and until he haver performed the intents of HIS HEART IN THE LATTERDAYS YE SHALL CONSIDER IT. Jeremiah 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob My servant, saith the LORD: For I AM with thee for I WILL MAKE AN END OF ALL THE NATIONS WHITHER I HAVE DRIVEN THEE: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet I will not leave thee wholly unpunished. Read the small books of the Prophets in the Bible there is so much information about what is going to happen and also Revelations. Joel said in Joel 3:1-3 For Behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the CAPTIVITY OF JUDAH AND JERUSALEM, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted MY LAND. And have cast lots for My People Joel 3:19-20. Joel says that who can stand the LORD'S Army are those that turn to HIM with all their hearts with fasting and mourning. Rend your hearts and not your garments, and turn to the LORD your God for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger and of great kindness, and repenteth Him of the evil. Who knows if He will return and repent and leave a blessing behind Him Joel 2:12-14. Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood. But Judah shall dwell forever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation Joel 3:19-20. Zechariah 12:9 says And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half the city shal go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Read what is going to happen to Esau in the book of Obadiah. There shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau. Psalm 83 says why keep not thou silence, O God hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For lo thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ismaelites, of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal and Ammon, and Amalek, the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre. Assur has also joined them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah. Do to them as thou did to the Midianites. 16-17 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek they Name O LORD. Let them be confounded and troubled forever; yea let them be put to shame. That men may know that thou whose Name alone is YHWH, art the most high over all the earth. A few last things I love Isaiah 2:2-21 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the tops of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of HIS WAYS and we will walk in HIS PATHS: For out of Zion shall go forth the LAW AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM. And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD. Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers. Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end fo their treasures, their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end to their chariots. Their land is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made: And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not. Enter into a the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for the fear of the LORD, and for the glory of His Majesty. The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day. For the Day of the LORD of Host shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon the oaks of Bashan, And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up, And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall, And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures. And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day. And the idols HE shall utterly abolish. And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into caves of the earth for the fear of the LORD and for the glory of HIS Majesty, when He ariseth to shake the earth. In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD and for the glory of HIS Majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of? Read The Psalms I Love 18:3 I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from my enemies. 19:7-8 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure enlightening the eyes. The fear of the LORD is clean enduring forever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired than gold yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping them their is great reward. Psalm 27:1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The LORD is the strenght of my life; of whom shall I be afaid? Psalm 32:7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah. Psalm 27:39-40 But the Salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strenght in the time of trouble. And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: He shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust HIM. Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trustest in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities are over. 107:1,8,9,20 O give thanks to the LORD, for his mercy endures forever. Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness and His wonderful works to the children of men! For He satisfieth the longing soul, and filleth the hungry soul with goodness. He sent His word and healed them and delivered them from their destructions. Psalm 118:6,8 The LORD is on my side; I will not fear what man can do unto me. It is better to trust in the LORD that to put confidence in man. All of 119. Psalm 121 I will lift up mine eyes to the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the LORD, Which made heaven and earth. Lamentations 3:22-26 It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning great is THY Faithfulness. The LORD is my portion, saith my soul, therfore will I hope in HIM. The LORD is good unto them that wait for HIM, to the soul that seeketh HIM. It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD. Joel 2:30-32 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, bolld, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great the terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER shall call upon the NAME OF THE LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance as the LORD hath said and in the REMNANT whom the LORD shall call. Read Isaiah 13 which is about Babylon. The Verse that talks about the Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways ackowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths. John 8:31-32 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him, If ye continue in My Word then are ye My disciples indeed and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philsophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 1 John 4:1 Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Acts 20:29 For I know this that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sping the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Read what Jesus says in Matthew 24 about the last days. Be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 and search the Scriptures daily. Then you won't be decieved by the strong delusion that will make people believe in a lie II Thessalonians 3:11. 1 Peter 2:20-21 For what glory is it, if when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? But if, when ye do well, and suffer for it ye take it patiently, this is acceptable to God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His Steps. Matthew 24:1 Take heed that no man decieve you. Remember Jesus said In Matthew 24:13 But he that endures to the end the same will be saved. May All Of You Be Blessed In These Hard Times Remember Our Strength Is In The LORD!

About NESARA... 29.Apr.2004 02:06

DC2C DesireTheLORD@hotmail.com

Let's consider NESARA for a moment, shall we?

It looks GREAT from the outside, something that would surely grab peoples attention, correct? It's promises are highly appealing. Now, let's consider the implications this has...

What exactly WOULD you give, or do, to have:

1. ALL of your debts wiped clear, never having to pay a single penny for ALL the fiat money you borrowed (eg. credit cards, student loans, mortgages, car loans, equity loans, personal loans, etc..any and ALL personal debt, and perhaps business as well)?? Nope, dont have to pay for our "have now" society; the one that does not know how to save, how to set priorities, or how to be responsible. Heck, we might as well run out and by a condo in each port, hock ourselves to the tunes of millions of $$ for houses and tens of credit cards in which we can furnish those houses.

2. The abolition of income tax, excise tax, tarriffs, import/export, user fees, administration fees, local/state/federal taxes, etc. so that every red cent you EARN (no more free rides for lazy no good bums, but no more for those who truly need it either, but charity should be given through the individual as well as the Church anyhow--you know, the good samaratin story) goes directly into your pocket to spend as you wish, where you pay taxation upon consumption (which is a fantastic idea in and of itself, which would get this country out of the death throws of poverty)?

3. Getting our economy back on the solid track by backing it with precious metals, the way it is suppose to be, instead of the fiat IOU's that have dominated this country for the past few decades? And just HOW are we suppose to obtain these metals when there is none to be had except in the hands of a FEW elites (which hold the majority) and a few collectors (which hold such a minority it doesnt even put a dent into the entire supply)?

4. Restoration of our Constitutional Law, down to every minute detail? And who will "interpret" that law, as the liberal NWO judges are so fond of doing? Is it going to mean just what it says in black and white, using the letters and correspondences that our founders left behind which clearly dictates what the true intent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights mean, which if man lived according to the Ten Commandments, we certainly would NOT need a Bill of Rights, nor a Constitution?

5. Are the "current administrations", or future one's when this is enacted, just silently going to step down, especially since they have been working for over 200 years to bring about this countries demise? And the administration isnt the real wizard behind the curtain running the show...it is the Jesuits, the Illuminati, the Secret Societies running it, and do you think they are going to let your desires, or that of anyone elses get in their way?

6. And who is going to see to it that this "peace" holds out? How are they going to see it? What will be the consequences of it? Will we have to disarm (thus violating the 2nd ammendment clearly), and will this make the "international banking system" dictator over a sovereign people? Will there be war to bring about "peace"? Just HOW are they going to bring the "peace"? And what kind, at what cost? Would you be willing for your child to die for this "peace" to be achieved?

Just WHAT would you give, or do, to obtain these delightfully "tickling" objectives? How about if it was stipulated that you could ONLY obtain these IF you took an implant chip IN your right hand or your forehead (which could be within the tissues of the brain...which is already being done)? I'm sure you heard of the Digital Angel implant from VeriChip...but have you heard of the MMEA (Multiple Micro Electrode Array) which has been developed by DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency), and already in use? It's quite easy to implant these: do you use or know someone who uses a nasal mist sprayer? How about the new FluMist, which has been proven to be a fraud, and even to kill..just 1 snort, that's all it would take for the chip to embed itself into your brain, especially considering the new technology of nanno-technology, where these things can MOVE to where they are suppose to be all by themselves. Or how about the "innoculations" or supposed "vaccines", that if they dont kill you first, you will die slowly as well as having this "chip"? These are just a few examples. Soon, they will be like "smart dust" being developed for military/government purposes. But more than likely, people will CHOOSE this "Mark" in order to reap it's benefits.

Will you worship your "liberty" so much as to give yourself freely, taking upon you the "Mark", so that you can reap it's rewards? Dont think that you worship your "liberty"? Well, ask yourself, would you give up ALL yours and your family's "liberty", possessions, and even your life, so that just 1 person can taste what this country was like back a bit over 200 yrs ago, free to pursue their own destiny, worship without government coercion, and to be responsible for their own lives and those of their neighbors? Which do you relish more: Living your life according to the ten Bill of Rights, or to the Ten Commandments? Have the Bill of Rights (man's commandments) replaced GOD'S Commandments (Orders--not suggestions) in your life?

Just WHAT would you be willing to give, or to do, to obtain those benefits described above? But remember, IF you DONT take that "Mark" to obtain these benefits, you will not be able to BUY or SELL, in the soon-to-hit-the-scenes cashless economy, so therefore, because you are debt laden, and a threat to society, perhaps even a "terrorist" because you cannot pay your debts, your family will starve, be hunted, and if found, perhaps even executed. BUT IF you DO take that "Mark" (worshipping the "Beast" and his image--one in the same) to rid yourself of the debt that you have so easily and willingly gotten yourself into, and IF you choose to cherish man's commands rather than the LORD'S, you will suffer eteranal brimstone and fire, gnashing of teeth, the Eternal Lake of Fire, separated from the LORD for ALL eternity!

I choose the Ten Commandments, and my LORD; for my flesh can be mutilated and killed, but my eternal life belongs to the LORD JESUS CHRIST for all eternity!

Martial Law-PLUS Boxcars & Shackles From GUNDERSON of Portland,OR! 27.May.2004 09:51

Pamela Schuffert MyTWaryor4JC@hotmail.com

Oh, foolish Americans, to THINK that IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE! For YEARS the NWO elements have been laying out the groundwork for the coming MARTIAL LAW HOLOCAUST and POLICE STATE USA. So many of us reporters/researchers on this subject have sought to wake up the sleeping American people.I personally lectured in the home of one executive of GUNDERSON FABRICATION of Portland, at the invitation of his wife. She fully admitted to the group that PRISONER BOXCARS AND SHACKLES were being manufactured under SECRET GOVERNMENT CONTRACT there, to be used to HAUL AWAY NWO RESISTERS arrested under coming MARTIAL LAW...off to the DEATHCAMPS OF "AMERIKA" Nazi-style. Thanks, Portland, for your "wonderful" contribution to the NWO nigthmare coming to America soon!And if you don't get it NOW, you WILL later...-Pam Schuffert, www.AmericanHOlocaust.homestead.com

what is disliked about rightsand thier suspension 08.Mar.2005 23:19


Ahem, folks check this out
if you think the above is possible,much less probable, go to the nearest military recruiter ( seriously!) and ask for a copy of the oath that is adminstered to all those who enlist
the first part is I, ( state you name) do solemny swear ( or avow) to defend the CONTITUTION of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AGAINST ALL ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.....................................

now then WHY is this the FIRST PART ot the OATH OF ENLISTMENT?

thank you

It gets worse 05.Jul.2005 06:54

Daniel 11:33 bennysmail46@yahoo.com

A few months agoe I saw an hour long show on TV about the eminent bioattack on the U.S. and the possible economic collapse because of closing the boarders. It hade Madiline Albright and other "officials" both American and foreign on this talk show. I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but the anthrax attacks against Congress came from the U.S. bioweapons lab at Ft. Detric Maryland.

There will indeed be an attack on Americans again and it will come from like minded individuals in the Pentagon that wrote the Northwoods document. As President Franklin D. Roosevelt wrote to a former advisor of Pres. Wilson, and self professed socialists who instigated the 16th amendment "You know as well as I that a financial element in the large centers has owned the (U.S.) government every since the days of Andrew Jackson." Roosevelts letter Edward House

These people in these large centers (Wall street, and financial centers of Lundon, Paris, Munick, etc. are responcible for every war of the twentieth century. They are directly responcible for the assasination of JFK, RFK, MLK, the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, as well as the 9/11 attacks. They are and have used the Hegelian principles the creat fear so people will willingly give up their rights for promised security. This is the siren song of dictators throughout the centuries. The NWO, or "Globalization" is their goal of destroying national sovernty and to create a one world government. They are using Bush, just like they used Hitler to get the rest of the world to support a U.N. invasion to bring "order out of caous" and take down that evil facist dictator. When it was them, the "liberals" communists in sheeps clothing, that created Bush in the first place!

I have made specific warning for the past three years about these things and every one of them has come true. And this one will come true as well! I've studied their plans and they are following them to the letter!

Whether you believe in the authorship of them (Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion)is irrevilent. They are being carried just as written.

The battle is spiritual. There is no amount of force that can stop them. The only thing people can do is warn people (non-violently) and find God through Christ. Read your Bible and don't be decieved by TV preachers or commentaries. They cannot be trusted. Trust Jesus and only him and accept the literal words of Christ and his apostles.

Hope your in the book.

Is this site controled too? 05.Jul.2005 08:02

Daniel 11:33 bennysmail46@yahoo.com

A few months agoe I saw an hour long show on TV about the eminent bioattack on the U.S. and the possible economic collapse because of closing the boarders. It hade Madiline Albright and other "officials" both American and foreign on this talk show. I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but the anthrax attacks against Congress came from the U.S. bioweapons lab at Ft. Detric Maryland. There will indeed be an attack on Americans again and it will come from like minded individuals in the Pentagon that wrote the Northwoods document. As President Franklin D. Roosevelt wrote to a former advisor of Pres. Wilson, and self professed socialists who instigated the 16th amendment "You know as well as I that a financial element in the large centers has owned the (U.S.) government every since the days of Andrew Jackson." Roosevelts letter Edward House These people in these large centers (Wall street, and financial centers of Lundon, Paris, Munick, etc. are responcible for every war of the twentieth century. They are directly responcible for the assasination of JFK, RFK, MLK, the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, as well as the 9/11 attacks. They are and have used the Hegelian principles the creat fear so people will willingly give up their rights for promised security. This is the siren song of dictators throughout the centuries. The NWO, or "Globalization" is their goal of destroying national sovernty and to create a one world government. They are using Bush, just like they used Hitler to get the rest of the world to support a U.N. invasion to bring "order out of caous" and take down that evil facist dictator. When it was them, the "liberals" communists in sheeps clothing, that created Bush in the first place! I have made specific warning for the past three years about these things and every one of them has come true. And this one will come true as well! I've studied their plans and they are following them to the letter! Whether you believe in the authorship of them (Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion)is irrevilent. They are being carried just as written. The battle is spiritual. There is no amount of force that can stop them. The only thing people can do is warn people (non-violently) and find God through Christ. Read your Bible and don't be decieved by TV preachers or commentaries. They cannot be trusted. Trust Jesus and only him and accept the literal words of Christ and his apostles. Hope your in the book. sorry about the spelling.