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hazy skies over N Portland.
This is the current view overhead. Though there are some sunspots, the haze is not from the camera...That's how the sun looks through this "natural" filter.
Check it out through sunglasses sometime and you'll see a giant halo, the inside of which is gray...
Why would anyone want to block the suns' rays??
up early 09.Apr.2004 10:55

fuzzy

There were planes flying all around at 530 this morning.

Very mysterious.

Any I think you are nuts.

Why indeed??? 09.Apr.2004 11:07

fds

Why would anyone want to block research on free fuel sources while pumping tax $$ into the petroleum companies? Why would anyone jail people trying to save trees? Why would anyone murder scientists that have become experts in genetic, alternative fuel and medical research? Why would HAARP be driving larger life forms in the sea to extinction? Why would Echelon be checking out these questions? Why would the Constitution be considered too liberal a document to guide our government? Why would pseudo-christians support a devil that has crashed planes into buildings and then blamed an innocent country that has oil to go to war against it? Why would the "land of the free and the home fo the brave" be committing genocide all over the world? Why would all of the corporations be so dead set against any of these questions being answered truthfully? Why are we suddenly an innert mass of responseless iresponsibles that can barely have sufficient self control to run for the remote control and drown out these questions?

the white lines are NOT Contrails 09.Apr.2004 11:28

they are

CHEMTRAILS and we need to find out WHY?

Yes 09.Apr.2004 12:14

preach it

The regular CONdensation trails (caused by the heat from airplane jet engine exhaust which causes moisture in the atmosphere to CONdense in the heat trail) dissipate and are completely gone after a few minutes. They do not spread out, make the sky overcast, and rain down sticky bits of stuff.

Does anyone recall trails like these recent ones happening twenty years ago? I remember watching jets in the sky as a kid, I did it frequently while lying in grass, the trails were never like those I've seen in the last few years. Has jet fuel changed since then, in a way that would cause the change? Look into it.

Is it really so hard to understand? 09.Apr.2004 12:56

naysayer

Jet fuel is made of hydrocarbons. When hydrocarbons combust, they mix with atmospheric oxygen to form carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, and H2O (in the form of water vapor, due to the heat of combustion). Planes fly at high altitudes, where temperatures are much lower. When water vapor is cooled, it inevitably condenses to form little water particles. That is the definition of cooling. The little H20 molecules become less excited, stop dancing far away from one another and fall close together. On some days with certain combinations of winds, temperatures and relative humidity, these water-particle trails stay relatively congruous. Eith high relative humidity preventing evaporation and no wind to scatter the particles, they float around for a while and slowly disperse.

It's no great mystery.

what you speak of there 09.Apr.2004 13:19

naysayer

is a thermodynamic process that is seeking equilibrium, which under "contrails", is readily
achieved within 27 seconds or less. Chemtrails is a different phenomenon altogether, and
not so glibbly dismissed with such "elementary" science buzz-word tossing. Let's see you
address the phenomenon of CHEMTRAILS for that's what is shown in the photograph, not con-
trails! CHEMTRAILS ARE REAL...WHY DENY THEM?

Got Me 09.Apr.2004 13:39

again.

You guys are really funny.

yes, i do remember seeing this as a kid 09.Apr.2004 14:30

kurtkabang

yes, i do remember seeing this as a kid. i always thought the lines were pretty cool, and they only happened on certain days--um, maybe WHEN THE WEATHER IS RIGHT????

possible 09.Apr.2004 14:40

possibilius

jet fuel mite be spiked with performance chemicals--ARE cars??!--, this could explain the long hangtime of the condensation-particulates. also possible are the effluences of__TADA!--the INDUSTRIAL complex(notice i didn't use military/prison as these are redundant). check your car windshield in the morning/are there sig. quant. of dustlike particles of outrageous size/quant. maybe someone with univ. connections cld get these tested.

Said it before 09.Apr.2004 14:42

say it again

what needs to be done is:

1. get out your binoculars or telescope and *positively identify* the spraying aircraft.

2. use your camera - digital or film - to take photographs of these aircraft, preferably telephoto pictures which identify the markings and external modifications on these aircraft.

Two search terms to use 09.Apr.2004 14:43

on Portland IMC

1. aluminum oxide

2. barium

While the guys may be funny, the 09.Apr.2004 15:34

CHEMTRAILS

sure aren't, for they are REAL! Why is our government spraying us?

Why not 09.Apr.2004 15:53

mmm

Why don't all of these chemtrail people get a couple thousand dollars together and rent a plane to fly through one and a scientist to collect a goddamn sample and get it analyzed at a lab so we can either prove that it's happening or move on.
Is there any actual SCIENCE behind the suspicions? Has there been any documentation - pilots or FAA people saying that something fishy is going on?
Don't get me wrong - I think I'd be more surprised that they're NOT doing it than finding out that they ARE. I haven't really looked into the whole thing. Do people think it's passenger jets doing this or secret gov't tanker planes dumping it over major cities?
I would just think that if people think this is going on across the country all the time, there would be some trail, some bit of proof. Like where are the millions of gallons of chemicals coming from? Where are the tanker trucks constantly filling these planes? Wouldn't one or two civilians working at the airport connect the dots between unidentified military planes and the constant streams of "chemtrails"?

Just curious.......

this biz of CHEMTRAILS sure brings out the 09.Apr.2004 16:24

...

government TROLLS. Whenever someone posts a picture or article that tells of CHEMTRAILS, the trolls come out from hiding it sure seems. WHY? Who are these people that would sell out humanity for a few bucks? Jesus had his grasper for 30 pieces of Silver and we too have ours. Are the trolls a bunch of JUDAS to their own flesh 'n' blood kith 'n' kin? What gives with these people? What is wrong w/ 'em?

saw 09.Apr.2004 16:37

iu

saw saucers in sky a few times ,couple of years ago.2 were following jetliner.they know theyre out there

The "right conditions" 09.Apr.2004 16:44

ALL DAY

"On some days with certain combinations of winds, temperatures and relative humidity, these water-particle trails stay relatively congruous. Eith high relative humidity preventing evaporation and no wind to scatter the particles, they float around for a while and slowly disperse."

Wow, what a peculiar set of circumstances to have happen SO OFTEN...
By "slowly disperse" do you mean spreading out over the sky until they become cloud-like themselves, only to hide the sun?
And why do some planes at seemingly higher altitudes leave normal contrails while other, lower planes leave what looks like spray?
Just how cold IS IT up there, anyway? It' can't be THAT cold!
Give me a break, naysayers!

Anyway, the "contrails" have continued all day, and it is now hazy/cloudy. Anyone with eyes and common sense can see what's happening.
open your eyes and LOOK UP.

CHEMTRAILS: "all you ever wanted to know though were afraid to ask" 09.Apr.2004 17:18

more

sound documentation:


2 PDF FLYERS TO PASS OUT @ AIRPORTS/PUBLIC: Project Cloverleaf summary & HAARP connections
repost 19 Mar 2004 18:04 GMT


Two separate one-page flyers:

1. Mechanics, Airline Executives, & Doctors talk of Project Cloverleaf, 1998 to the Present

2. Project Cloverleaf: Timeline, 1994 to the Present--with its HAARP connections
2 DIFFERENT PDF FLYERS TO PASS OUT IN AIRPORTS/PUBLIC: Project Cloverleaf, short summary of chemtrails

other informative summaries:

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/281081.shtml


INTERNATIONAL TRANSLATIONS AVAILABLE AT THE FLYER'S REFERENCED WEBSITE:

The flyers can be passed out worldwide: The website referenced has international translations.

Other Langauges besides English at the website: SPANISH, FRENCH, GERMAN, ITALIAN, PORTUGUESE, JAPANESE.

This is a globally reported phenomenon.

THE PICTURES ON THE FLYER HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO BE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO SPEAK ENGLISH.

Suggestions:

You have got to cause a stink in the popular mind, it is the only way to save yourselves from them.

And god bless Dennis kucinich who attempted to introduce a bill in 2001 that would ban chemtrails operations--though hardly anyone supported it. One of the few Congressional friends to the American people--and the world--is Dennis Kucinich. Read the nice Dennis quote in the flier about chemtrails, by name.

FLYER #1 mentions how Congressional and governmental stalling is excellent evidence of a coordinated cover-up. Plus, it has some testimonials that are excellent hooks for people to explore the referenced website.

FLYER #2 is a detailed timeline of documentable evidence about chemtrails with its HAARP connections, beginning in 1994. This one has detailed medical reports as well about chemtrails.

By the way, I have little love of trolls, unlike some other comments referenced at "Chemtrails over Portland" article,  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280993.shtml . I hope he gets a nice whiff of the chemtrails or his kids get sick--and then he has to log back in and pretend nothing is going on. That would be true torture.


IF YOU ARE GOING TO AN AIRPORT:

1. Just hand them out or, if you are hassled, put them in magazines in public areas.


IF YOU ARE FLYING:

1. Leave them in the airplanes for other passengers on the next flight to see, particularly put them
in all those "SkyMall" or whatever magazines.
2. or leave them in magazines in waiting areas beyond security at the airport.
3. Even if they are picked up on the next round, the flight crew, pilots, attendants, boarding personnel will be made aware. Break them down from the inside within their own employee ranks. What these airline corporations and military planes are doing is ILLEGAL.



RECOMMENDED WAY TO FOLD THEM: Put page 2 face up towards yourself. Fold right-most third panel over middle second panel. Then, use fingernail to make the sharp and fine fold for the cover, while holding page 1's title/cover image towards yourself. It does fit. I have done this numerous times already.

PRINT THEM 'landscape, double sided' (or if you just have access to a single sided printer, just print on both sides of the same paper by manually feeding it in twice.)

The second flyer is set up to 'self-replicate,' because in the text it references back to the original URL for the Portland IMC article. So, anyone who gets a printed copy via a handout operation can see the link, get on the web, come to the Portland IMC, and get the original PDFs for themselves to print and distribute to others they know.

Both flyers are posted to this other link for convenience:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/283193.shtml


or the main link, get them here:

 http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/03/801061.shtml

what gives with the 09.Apr.2004 18:33

CONTRAIL GUY

who is obsessed with his rabid attempts to debunk CHEMTRAILS as if his job depends on it? Does it?

can the naysayers explain ... 10.Apr.2004 12:47

aced physics in school

... the nozzles on planes then? When viewed through a telescope, it's apparent that the trails behind many of these planes are coming out of nozzles in the wings, rather than forming behind the jet engines. Come up with an explanation for that!

Also, when I posted earlier that I didn't see these trails when I was a kid, I meant the ones that cover the sky and make the sky overcast. The ones I saw always disappeared completely within a few minutes. I'm quite sure that jet fuel additives would not cause the trails to cloud the whole sky that way, btw.

Of course I understand why the regular water vapor trails appear, and may act differently in certain conditions. I was the kid in high school who understood all the science concepts the first time through, while most of the class was moaning "I don't get it!"

Yeah, what is with the debunkers? If the "chemtrail" people are right, that is serious business as it means the gov't is poisoning us and trying to control the weather, among other things, using tax money. If they're wrong, big deal it's just a bunch of posts on a blog.