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Overpaid, undertrained

It takes ten whole weeks of training to become a portland police officer
Then you get paid something like $25 an hour to start and the best benefits and retirement anyone could dream of. Not to mention unheard of job security.

Much of the few weeks of training is just blasting away at paper targets on a shooting range. They do make a little time to learn to drive a big car agressively.


We, the taxpayers, are getting ripped off in a big way.

What are we, the taxpayers getting for our money that is paying McCollister's wages? Nobody has even seen him- what has he done to make the city safer/ cleaner in the last few months he's been cashing his fat paychecks.


Perhaps The latest republican "tax activist" could make some suggestions at the next shin-dig at the shilo inn in Beaverton.

This suggestion could be- Force the cops union out Increase the training to 20 weeks, and cut the pay to $15 an hour to start. No firearms for the first year.


It's tragic that people are dying in the street at the hands of those sworn to protect them. I'm ashamed that I am financing this with my tax dollars.



Do not allow this one to go away. At the very least continue to demand that Sery, Macomber and McCollister be fired.


When a police officer proves he is unworthy of our respect, what the hell do we keep paying him for?

Portland police- A lot of former "scofflaws and ne'r do wells" in this town are dutifully signalling 100 feet before a turn. I hope you feel safer now. - Of course, you get to call for backup or use any number of weapons to protect yourselves if a situation gets bad. Your jobs are pretty safe- My concern is for all the cabbies and mail men and plaid pantry clerks who have to deal with angry people all the time without a badge, gun and radio to summon a virtual army within minutes.
DPSST 07.Apr.2004 12:57

dpsst

It takes 10 weeks to get the training necessary to be a basic police officer anywhere in the state. In PDX they have another 18 weeks of training before they hit the streets with a coach for a year. If you want to complain at least get it right..............

Thanks Dpsst! 07.Apr.2004 17:29

red suspenders

Thanks for taking the time to set me straight! By the way, does someone at PPD get paid to monitor this site??? What a gravy job! but it probably gets boring after a while..

OK- 28 weeks- Isn't that around six months?

It takes 8 years to become a doctor

It takes five years to become a teacher

It takes four years to become an electrician

So six months of training and you can get turned loose on our fine city with a gun and shiny new badge?


Seriously though, I look forward to the day when ordinary citizens such as myself can respect our police force. Do the right thing and quit protecting your buddies who are so incompetent as to make your jobs harder, and more dangerous. As a bicyclist one thing I do to stay alive is make eye contact with any motorist sharing the intersection I'm in. Haven't seen too many happy police officers lately, I can only assume this is due to fallout from the latest north precinct tradjedy.

igloo 07.Apr.2004 20:37

training

I think there is a major, fundamental, philosophical flaw in what apparently is considered appropriate training for portland police officers. That's just my outside view based on key events over the years. (kendra J and perez being prime examples)Hopefully someone will realize that officers must be trained to recognize that many people they have occasion to confront will not be prepared to maintain composure and can be predicted to behave irrationally. They should be trained to approach this situation in a way that prioritzes the life of the person stopped as well as their own. This is absolutely essential in the increasingly densely populated, stressful world we live in, where tension and dysfunction manifested in substance abuse and crime will most likely only increase. Right now, it seems like a stopped person seems to be regarded by the force as merely a dangerous piece of meat. It is not going to accomplish much to fire Sery and Macomber. Their actions are probably arguably consistent with current department training philosophy. A fundamental change in training philosophy and procedure is the absolutely essential first task at hand.

DPSST 08.Apr.2004 02:13

DPSST

I see my comments got a few to look at the situation from a differemt point of view.. If you want to count the underlying degree requirements then let's look past the Academy training and look at it all.......

Doctor-Three years post graduate (School and Residency)
Portland Officer-1.5 years post graduate (Releasable at anytime during training)
Teacher-One year post graduate (Releasable only for cause)
Electrician-No requirements, just OTJ training.

And for Red, I am not here to "spy". I look at all sources of information for input to round my view of the world. Your view seems to be set and only there for your defense.

DPSST 08.Apr.2004 02:39

DPSST

so much for a free and open agenda

DPSST 08.Apr.2004 02:44

DPSST

looks like i may have mis-spoke. will check in the morning

Me! actually unmasks himself and calls attention to the 08.Apr.2004 08:05

real problem

involved with both Jason Sery and Scott McCollister, as well as the culture that allows them to come
into being when he says, and I shall quote, "it takes a special person", and therein lies the problem
...you wretched people think yourselves SPECIAL, and that denotes to me, at least, deep personal in-
doctrination in some group like Brotherhood of the Strong. Only a secret brotherhood GROUPTHINK would
allow for such unrealistic thinking. Those on Portland Police Bureau's force that think themselves
"special" don't belong there, nor will they have my support as a citizen, for I do NOT find them to be
such. Certainly not based upon meager training, certainly not based upon attitude, certainly not based
on self-serving rhetoric and certainly not based on REALITY. If YOU feel that way, then go find your-
self another job somewhere else doing something entirely different where your "specialness" will be re-
cognized.