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INTERVIEW w/Cisco WHEELER, defected from Illuminati; & Brice TAYLOR, Kissinger's sex slave

"...today we begin an interview with Cisco Wheeler, co-author of "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Mind Controlled Slave" and other books about trauma-based conditioning. Cisco is a mind control victim of one of the Illuminati families. She is a descendant of Ulysses S. Grant and has managed to gain a certain amount of freedom from her family's control. She is currently working with Fritz Springmeier to help other victims of mind control heal. Cisco rarely does interviews, so we are very fortunate to be able to bring you this interview with Cisco Wheeler."


I was first involved as an infant. My father came from a transgenerational satanic family. My life was planned according to a particular structure, from the beginning, as my father was a programmer for the Illuminati and the U.S. government.


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"Part 42...Today we are bringing you part one of an interview I conducted with Brice Taylor, a former Whitehouse-level mind control victim. She has been used as a sex slave for a number of U.S. presidents, foreign officials, and other power-brokers while under the influence of mind control. She has been subjected to horrific torture and abuse, beginning in her childhood, at the hands of her family, and has been programmed at various military bases in the U.S., and at NASA...and since breaking free and recovering, has been in touch with hundreds of mind control survivors across the U.S."..."Brice Taylor" is a pseudonym that I chose to protect myself and my children when I first started writing my book and putting it out."
CKLN-FM Mind Control Series -- Part 22

CKLN 88.1 FM Ryerson Polytechnical University Toronto, Ontario
Mind Control Series
Producer/Interviewer Wayne Morris:

Started March 16, 1997

This is a nine month series; episodes will be added as they occur. CKLN would like to make the show available to other radio stations. For more information or to be put on the transcript e-mail list
contact producer Wayne Morris at  ckln@sac.ryerson.ca Transcripts and tapes are available at the office of CKLN, 380 Victoria St., Jorgenson Hall, Ryerson University, Toronto, 416-595-1477.


Good morning, and welcome to The International Connection. We are in week #40 in our radio series on mind control, and today we begin an interview with Cisco Wheeler, co-author of "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Mind Controlled Slave" and other books about trauma-based conditioning. Cisco is a mind control victim of one of the Illuminati families. She is a descendant of Ulysses S. Grant and has managed to gain a certain amount of freedom from her family's control. She is currently working with Fritz Springmeier to help other victims of mind control heal. Cisco rarely does interviews, so we are very fortunate to be able to bring you this interview with Cisco Wheeler.


I would like to start off by asking you what your background is and how you first became involved in trauma-based conditioning mind control.

Cisco Wheeler:

I was first involved as an infant. My father came from a transgenerational satanic family. My life was planned according to a particular structure, from the beginning, as my father was a programmer for the Illuminati and the U.S. government.

Wayne Morris:

What political/military connections did your family have that you are aware of?

Cisco Wheeler:

We had a very strong political background. My father had political connections; my Great Uncle was General Earl Grant Wheeler, he was a direct descendant of Ulysses Grant. General Earl Wheeler was the head of the American military in the Vietnam War. He was the Joint Chief of Staff so we had a very strong political background. My father was also a Grand Master within the Illuminati. He worked on the west coast during the Vietnam War with his uncle who headed the military, to run drugs into this country to create a drug culture. The purpose of that was to destroy the structure within the family unit. The drug culture was the real purpose behind the Vietnam War. My father was also with the USO shows in the military as he was a musician; he was also involved with the CIA; and he was a 33rd degree Mason. Because of his being a Grand Master within the Illuminati, he was very strongly connected to America's political sturcture. Because of the generational ties within the Illuminati, from the planned time of my conception, I entered into a world that was well structured, and well planned. And as a structured slave within the Illuminati, I too became connected to America's political structure. As a small child I was groomed to sexually service the so-called elite within this political structure.

Wayne Morris:

Are you talking people in the White House?

Cisco Wheeler:

Yes. President Eisenhower is the first president that I remember. He befriended me as a small child. I would sit on his lap, sang to him, there were sexual gestures back and forth. I was being trained. I entertained governors, mayors, ministers. I was trained in sexual activity there, and I was part of the Illuminati function within the British Royal Family during elite meetings.

Wayne Morris:

How young do you remember when you started being subjected to trauma conditioning ... from birth?

Cisco Wheeler:

I was traumatized in the womb.

Wayne Morris:

How did you first realize that your family was connected with the Illuminati?

Cisco Wheeler:

If you understand multliplicity, you understand there are many layers in the system. Because there are many layers, parts of ourself knew, and had many memories of certain things happening in our life, but the front part of our system that faced the outside world, they had no recall or memory at all that associated them to Illuminati programming or trauma based mind control. So if I speak for the front part of our mind, they knew nothing was wrong at all, outside of knowing they had a very abusive childhood. They didn't really know anything was wrong until my father died. When he died, that freed our mind to be able to retrieve memory, and at that point, they understood something was wrong. They started hearing voices and having flashbacks and having information that was retrieved, that they knew they didn't have a "history" of and they couldn't figure out what happened.

Where did this come from? This isn't the way I think. Why would I be thinking about sexual issues when I have no recall of ever being sexually abused or why do I remember that I was in a certain place but yet I don't remember ... it's all second hand. Do you understand what I am saying? So, it wasn't until after my father died that they started breaking down the hypnotic walls within the mind that protected me from knowing what happened. Over a period of time, because of memory retrieval and flashbacks, and the trauma it was causing, they became extremely suicidal and they didn't believe in suicide, they sought help. They went into a hospital for nine weeks and started working with a therapist, and after a time period they realized it wasn't normal to want to die when your father died, and we found out there was a real deep problem.

Wayne Morris:

Did these initial therapists that you worked with have knowledge of mind control or trauma based conditioning techniques at the time?

Cisco Wheeler:

Very vaguely. We were one of the first multiples diagnosed in this area and we basically worked with our therapist and she learned. She made a commitment to us, and what she didn't know, she found out.

Wayne Morris:

Your father was your main handler and programmer, and how old were you when he died?

Cisco Wheeler:

My father was my handler and programmer, and I was forty years old when he died.

Wayne Morris:

How did you manage to break free of your family's control of your life at that time? Did other people step in ...

Cisco Wheeler:

When the Master dies, generally the slave also dies, but because of our determination to fight the programming and to get to the bottom of what was happening within our mind, we were able to fight the suicide programming. From there we started a journey into understanding that we were a structured multiple which we didn't even know what that was ... that we had a long road ahead of us, a hard road to travel.

Wayne Morris:

Did you have to travel that alone or did other people help you?

Cisco Wheeler:

No. I had a very strong support team. Several people in my support team were also victims of mind control.

Wayne Morris:

The people that weren't, they had an understanding of the mind control techniques?

Cisco Wheeler:

No. We started this journey basically learning to understand ourselves, listening to ourselves, confronting each other within the system with this is what is happening with you, putting our notes together and realizing 'hey we are getting our memories separately, we are feeling the same way, reacting the same way', taking one step at a time because thirteen years ago, nobody really knew anything about MPD.

Wayne Morris:

Did your father also victimize other people?

Cisco Wheeler:

Most definitely. He was a master programmer.

Wayne Morris:

Did you have brothers and sisters that were affected as well?

Cisco Wheeler:

Not to the degree that I was. I was the firstborn.

Wayne Morris:

Is it because you were the firstborn that you were chosen for this kind of vitimization or were there other reasons?

Cisco Wheeler:

In part. In the late forties the Illuminati wanted to infilitrate the churches because they understood the power of God within the structure of the church, and they had to find a way to infiltrate the church to break down that spiritual strength within the church, the power of the holy spirit that works within the church. They had to find a way to infiltrate that, and they wanted to bring the world into the churches so that the churches wouldn't be so strong spiritually. That was part of my father's job. In order to do that my father married my mother who was not Illuminati, nor was she ritual, but she did have a very strong religious background. She was that perfect example for the world, that perfect wife for the church, to set examples for other young women in the church. When my father married her, that was his way to infiltrate the church, through my mother.

Wayne Morris:

Throughout your father's life, how did he go about infiltrating during this process?

Cisco Wheeler:

By becoming part of the church, by being a minister, by being ordained, by getting into the youth groups, becoming very friendly with the Elders and the Board of Directors within the congregation itself. This was the Pentecostal churches.

Wayne Morris:

You mentioned your father's role in drug trafficking within the Vietnam War. Could you expand on that?

Cisco Wheeler:

When the Vietnam soldiers were killed and they brought their bodies back, drugs were hidden in the cavities in their bodies. My father's responsibility was to get that from the mortician and it would be a controlled substance at that point, and he was the handler of that controlled substance. He wasn't active in Vietnam. He was just the extended hand that was used within our government to make sure the drugs met their destination.

Wayne Morris:

Once the drugs came over into North America, what were your father's connections in terms of the distribution at that point?

Cisco Wheeler:

I do not know. I was not allowed to know that. I didn't see it. I was too young at that time ... well, I wasn't that young, but I was too young to be a part of that.

Wayne Morris:

Do you consider yourself completely free now of the influence from the Illuminati and your former perpetrators?

Cisco Wheeler:

No I do not consider myself completely free from the cult influence. We are continually harassed by external threats. We get a lot of phone calls, we get bullets in our windows, we get run off the road, we get letters, we get people that walk up to us in the grocery store and they threaten us. They let us know in their little way that they know where I am, what I am doing, and what I am up to, and that it's not over until they say it's over. They are calling the shots.

Wayne Morris:

Have they been able to access parts of you that you have not dealt with in terms of healing?

Cisco Wheeler:

In the past they have; at the present time, no. I am very careful on where I am and what I am doing. I am not careless with my time or my energy, and I don't set myself up so that they can access me. I have other people answer my phone. I have other people read my letters. I have other people that walk before to make sure everything is okay before I walk into anything that I can't handle.

Wayne Morris:

What effects has the trauma conditioning that you have undergone throughout your life do you have to deal with currently?

Cisco Wheeler:

I continue to suffer with the trauma based mind control in every aspect of my life. I have to deal with the fact that my father had a beautiful little girl and he didn't want her love as that beautiful little girl that was born to him. I have to deal with the fact that he wanted a little girl but he wanted her to be shattered into a million pieces so he could structure every aspect of my life. And then I have to ask myself what did it take to splinter this 18 month old child into a million pieces? And you deal with questions like that. It is hard for the mind to comprehend what has been done to you because the mind always wants to protect itself to some degree so you take little 'bites' of it. But the mind is always processing material. Then I have to deal with the fact that they planned this - that's what structured is. Structured MPD/DID was planned from the time of my conception and I am afraid that kind of hurts my feelings when I think about it.

Wayne Morris:

They had a definite structure in terms of knowing what they were doing when they were traumatizing you, and what the effects that would bring about ...

Cisco Wheeler:

Exactly. They knew from A to Z what they wanted to do with my life and how they wanted to structure, what they wanted me to be, and what they wanted me to become. That is slavery. I had to deal with the body, soul and spirit because all parts of myself have been raped. I continually have to deal with memories; with spirit issues; issues within me - in my programming; how they dehumanized me; how they shamed me; how they traumatized me to the point that I didn't even know who I was, what I was, where I was going. I didn't even know I was a little girl at some points in my traumatization. They made sure they dehumanized me to such a point I became a kitten within myself. To be a little girl was to be tortured, to be punished, unacceptable. I have to deal with the spiritual issues because I was told God didn't love me, he raped me, I could no longer have my name in the Lamb's Book of Life, my name was taken out of the Book of Life, and then they continued to program me with hypnotically taking my heart from my body, using drugs, so I didn't even know I had a heart. They dehumanized me to the point where there was no place to go except the family. No place to go.

Wayne Morris:

Were there other perpetrators involved in your family, other than your father?

Cisco Wheeler:

Oh definitely. I am trying to think of where I want to start. My primary programmer was Dr. Green, who was Dr. Josef Mengele. My other primary programmer was Dr. Black, who was my father.

Wayne Morris:

When did you realize that Dr. Green was in fact Josef Mengele?

Cisco Wheeler:

I always knew from my internal parts. My deeper parts were programmers and my father was trained by Mengele, he was his #2 man. We followed in my father's footsteps. We were also trained to be a programmer. That was our specialized field.

Wayne Morris:

Did he say or use his name at some points?

Cisco Wheeler:

Yes, he did. As well he went by Dr. Fairchild, Dr. Green.

Wayne Morris:

What's your understanding of Mengele's involvement in mind control across the continent?

Cisco Wheeler:

I am sure that he infiltrated every state, and I know he has worked up in Canada.

Wayne Morris:

What state were you located when he was performing mind control on you?

Cisco Wheeler:

Most of my programming occurred in California and Oregon. In California at China Lake Naval Base; the Presidio north San Francisco; and the Letterman Hospital next to the Presidio military base. In Alcatraz there was programming that went on in the prisons there. And Scotty's Castle in Death Valley in California. Also in Torrence, California. And at the State Mental Hospital in Salem, Oregon and in the big Masonic hospital called Dorenbecker here in Portland.

Wayne Morris:

What time frame would that have been in?

Cisco Wheeler:

1948-9 clear up to the middle 60's.

Wayne Morris:

How did you begin the process of healing yourself into disabling as much as possible the programming that was done to you?

Cisco Wheeler:

By stabilizing myself. By making sure I was in a safe place where I could do my work without being infiltrated. By sincerely making that effort to go towards health above all else. To work diligently on my memories and my programming, and to be a truth-seeker. To find out, no matter what had been done to me, I wanted to know what had been done. If you don't know where you have been, you don't know where you are going. It was very important for me to go towards health, because once I realized what they had done to me and the depths of the programming, I was going to stand by and not say anything, be silent, let it not be spoken ... I was going to beat the programming which has been hear no evil, see no evil, do no evil. I was going to beat that. I was going to tell. That was my determination that helped me fight the trauma of knowing what I had to learn about myself.

Wayne Morris:

The work that you had to go through to accomplish that level of healing - what does that involve in terms of dealing with your memories?

Cisco Wheeler:

I had to face the pain, the torture, face my own fears of the unknown, face the fact that my father didn't love me, face the fact that trauma bonding is not love and no matter what they say as far as in the name of love, there is no love involved in this. I had to look deep inside myself and find that spark of life that was left because they so dehumanize you as they are programming you to be their slave, that for some the light goes out and there is no hope, but for myself I was fortunate. There was some hope and there as a light, and that light enabled me to have the courage and the strength I needed to go towards health.

Wayne Morris:

How did the people around you help you through this?

Cisco Wheeler:

My support team was very helpful. It consisted of three women plus myself. We were all programmed around the same time by the same programmers. My father was a very strong in their lives, because he was their programmer. That tied us together emotionally. All four of us had made the determination that we were going to walk out of this and that we were going to go toward health. We became very bonded, not only from what we knew had ritually happened to us, and through the shared trauma base. We stepped out of that and started building a new type of friendship of trust, lifting each other up, building each other up, being there for each other, having a listening ear, learning how to document our memories, to be there no matter what time of the day it was for the first five years. We all needed each other at any given point. Two of the three ladies have medical degrees, the other is a teacher -- all four of us are free today because we stood together.

In our healing process the first thing we had to acknowledge within ourselves, and we each had to do this separately, is to acknowledge that we are MPD, that we are DID, and that we were generational families of satanism. Yes, we did practice satanism, and yes we were of the Illuminati bloodline, and yes, there is a lot of dirt in our lives, and yes, we don't want to look at it. It was too painful to look at. But there came a time when we wanted to step out of our denial and I think that's the most important thing in the healing process when I look back - we had the courage to look at our life and the reality in which it stood. We were programmed to be a programmer, and that gave us the ability to understand others as well as ourselves, and we could work together within a group, and we did gain a lot of strength from one another. But we also had to call a spade a spade. We couldn't run away from what had happened to us. That was our strength. It gave us the courage we needed to keep fighting.

Once we realized that yes, we were under mind control, and yes, we were slaves for the Illuminati - we didn't like the slavery in which we had been born into. We also didn't like the idea that we never were given a choice as to what happened to us. We wanted to be free agents. We just didn't know how to become a free agent. We had to fight for it. It didn't come easy. The nights were filled with trauma. The days were filled with trauma and pain. The body, soul and spirit is continually in a warfare as it goes towards health. It does not like to release the hidden knowledge of what was done to us, everything was done to us in secret. Because of the programs it didn't want to unravel itself and to do so was very very painful.

Wayne Morris:

Was the ability for you and the other survivors to be able to find a safe place, to be able to undergo this work with others - was this a significant factor in being able to break that control?

Cisco Wheeler:

Oh definitely. Even to the point where we would go to see our therapist, our handlers would be on the stairs of the building which we would enter to see our therapist - to let us know that if we said anything that would bring down the family or to expose the family, that we would pay for it later. They would be waiting for us. In other words, have a good time, enjoy your therapist, but we will be here waiting when you get out. The torture that came - you had to face them every single time you went to see your therapist, you had to face knowing they could be around a corner, or even run you off the road on the way to the therapist. They may burn your house down, or they may put a bullet through one of your children's heads, or through your bedroom window, or they are going to get to you one way or the other. You have to work with threats, the lies. That was at the beginning of our therapy work. Just to get through the trauma of the threat would keep most people at home. But what it did for us and the other survivors is that we became so angry that we decided we were going to fight them, even until death, because it's not over until God says it's over. When He says it's over, that's fine, we are ready to go home. We are going to fight this. We are going to win.

Before when we were under mind control and the memories were taken from us, we didn't have a choice. We didn't have a say in what they did to us. But this time it is different. We have a say. We could walk into the therapist's office or we could choose not to. But to have the ability to say 'even until death I am going to go to therapy, I am going to continue this journey' there was a lot of strength that came with that, because every time we took a step in the right direction, it gave us the power that we needed.

Wayne Morris:

So you found a lot of strength in the anger.

Cisco Wheeler:

Even when they got a hold of us in the first five years of our therapy, and they did get a hold of us, and they did torture us, and they did apply electrical shock, they did drug us, and they did rape us, over and over, they continued these things the first five years. Even after the trauma, it was still worth it. Because it was the first time we knew we were human. We had been so dehumanized from the trauma of the mind control, that just to have a spark of humanism, to really have the reality, "I am not a kitten." "I am a child, I am a woman, I was once a little girl." "It was all lies." You are willing to die for the truth ...

Wayne Morris:

You mentioned about trauma bonding ... can you explain to our listeners what that is and what it meant for you in your case?

Cisco Wheeler:

For instance, Dr. Green. He used to put us in the hot cages in the desert there, they were sweat tanks. He would come out there, after we had no water and no food for a number of hours (it seemed like days to us). We were told it was days, but common sense tells us that it was hours. These cages were set up so we could see outside the cages (like animal cages). In my memory, off to the left me were other cages ... with small children 2, 3, 4 years old. Green would come out there and he would have a daisy in his hand and he would walk through this area where we were being held in these holding tanks, and he would walk up to me and he would say, "I love you, I love you not, I love you ..." If he said "I love you not" I knew I was in big trouble because he had already set a prior example to me by walking in front of the cage to my left, and he told the little girl that he loved her not when he reached the last petal of his daisy. At that point, she was taken out, and she was eliminated in front of me. In other words, her life was taken from her at that point, to show his power and his control, and what would happen if Dr. Green ceased to love you.

What I failed to understand as a child, with a child's mind, is that it was set up. The murder did take place but the thing is, these were what they called "expendable" children. As for me, I was Illuminati, so they weren't going to eliminate me because they had a reason for me, they had my life planned for me. Part of the grooming is to set the stage. The script was played out when Dr. Green eliminated the child in the cage. I was to see all this, because it was a power play. If that's love trauma bonding, "I love you Dr. Green, I love you very very much because you could have said you didn't love me and I would be dead". He did "love me" because he "spared my life" - but it also showed me the power that this man had. Try to translate that into a child's mind when they are only four or five years old.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that the unpredictability of the trauma was a factor in the trauma bonding?

Cisco Wheeler:

Definitely. You never knew when you were going to be loved and when you weren't going to be loved - at any point there could be a change of direction. When my father was kind as my programmer, he was very kind but when he was ruthless, he was ruthless to the core. There was no humanism. He became less than a wild animal himself, there was nothing he would not do to get his point across. We have parts of ourselves that love him dearly to this day, who will always love him, they look up to him.

Wayne Morris:

How many other children were involved in this, that you were aware of, at the time?

Cisco Wheeler:

I knew in 1968 that there were over 2 million MKULTRA's. Since then I don't have the awareness or the knowledge because I am not seeing the paperwork or the records to tell me how many. If I was making a guess, I would say 10 million.

Wayne Morris:

How did you know 2 million were involved?

Cisco Wheeler:

Because I was a programmer and I saw the documented records on this.

Wayne Morris:

So they have been able to program victims to program other victims ... how did they go about doing that?

Cisco Wheeler:

They train you on the job. You have to realize within the Illuminati structure there are many levels to the system. My mothers were trained in programming. That's at the Illuminati level.

Wayne Morris:

They trained you in programming techniques?

Cisco Wheeler:

Yes.

Wayne Morris:

What kind of people did they make you perform this kind of programming on? Were they other Illuminati family members?

Cisco Wheeler:

They were all Illuminati children. We did not work outside of the Illuminati structure.

Wayne Morris:

As an Illuminati family member, what did they have in mind for you, why did they want to program you?

Cisco Wheeler:

The sole purpose - at the deepest layer of the system - lies mothers. They are the foundation. You have three mothers who are on a pedestal - their sole purpose is to rule and reign with the antichrist as his queen when he takes his throne. As god has a bride, so lucifer has a bride, and that bride is the mothers of darkness. That is the bottom line.

Wayne Morris:

Who would be this antichrist figure? I have heard of the name, "Lord Maitreya." Is this one candidate?

Cisco Wheeler:

He is one of the forerunners, a disciple. You have to understand the luciferian belief system and the way that the structure within the Illuminati is laid out. It is laid out according to god's word - so that it can stand, or it can be blasphemous of who god is. But when god sent his son to the earth, christ had twelve disciples that followed him. The antichrist is going to be like three in one, and he will also have twelve forerunners. This is where Maitreya comes in. He is a forerunner. John the Baptist was a forerunner for christ.

Wayne Morris:

Do you have any information on how they are going to accomplish this?

Cisco Wheeler:

They have already accomplished it ... by taking our constitutional rights away from us ... by having a government within a government, like a box within a box. By creating famines, by having wars and rumours of wars, by the American people and the Canadian people no longer having the freedoms that once were theirs.

Wayne Morris:

In a global sense, how is this related to what is known as New World Order?

Cisco Wheeler:

The New World Order is a body of people within the Illuminati, thirteen major bloodlines that rule the world and they set the stage, they play out the script, and there will be a complete fulfillment of what they have staged for the American people, Canadians, and the world. There is no doubt about it.

Wayne Morris:

What kind of things do you expect will occur in the future that relate to this?

Cisco Wheeler:

I believe that the people in the world are going to wake up some day very soon and realize that the stock market has crashed, that financially the world has been crushed. They are going to realize that their food and grain has been contaminated, that their medical field has been dominated by the Illuminati medical force because the Illuminati has infiltrated every aspect of our lives. They are going to realize that we don't have the freedom to even speak for our children, that the government has more to say in regards to our children than we do, they can take them and control them at any given point. We are going to realize that the churches are not what they seem to have been - that the churches have been infiltrated. There is nothing left. There is nothing that has not been touched by the Illuminati and its family.

Wayne Morris:

Is there a time when this is going to be implemented in terms of a one world, military government?

Cisco Wheeler:

Definitely. I expect 1998 to be a year of turmoil as far as people coming to terms with the knowledge that the government is not what they thought it was, the church is not what they thought it was, people they have looked up to are not who they thought they were.

Wayne Morris:

What kinds of things do you believe these power groups who belong to the Illuminati will try and implement in terms of controlling people's anger and responses to what they've got planned? What is their retaliation?

Cisco Wheeler:

To eliminate the people as a whole - anyone who doesn't come under submission of the New World Order will be eliminated.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think they will use the mind controlled victims to implement that?

Cisco Wheeler:

Most definitely.

Wayne Morris:

How do you think that is going to come about?

Cisco Wheeler:

They can use any slave that has been under mind control to accomplish any goal they have set forth with an access code, they can blow up a bridge, they can assassinate any leader - a governor, mayor, pastor - anyone that gets in the Illuminati's path, who will not bend or bow to the Illuminati structure - they have slaves in force who will just go and eliminate them. Whatever is needed, it is there. I guarantee you it is there.

Wayne Morris:

There have been quite a number of survivors of mind control talking about end-times programming where they know they are going to be triggered to do something. Is this related to that?

Cisco Wheeler:

Yes it is. Most definitely is. There is a clock ticking and it is going to strike midnight soon, and when it does, all hell is going to break loose within the world.

Wayne Morris:

Do you have an idea of a date?

Cisco Wheeler:

I do not give dates. I am not God and things can always change. The timetables can change because of circumstances surrounding what they are trying to accomplish. It can either rapidly speed up or time can stand still because everything has to work like a ticking clock - everything has to be in its place in order for the New World Order to come about. Everything has to be in its place.

Wayne Morris:

What do you think people can do out there to try to stop this or to prepare themselves for this?

Cisco Wheeler:

I believe that people need to understand there is a time to weep, and there is a time for war, every man and every woman should have the insight or the foreknowledge within themselves the answer to themselves. When they look around, if they are honest with themselves, they can see that the world is falling apart at its seams, something big is coming down, they need to look at themselves. Listen to themselves. Look and see and hear what is happening around them, and they need to start preparing themselves for the worst because the worst is coming. They need to be in a place, and in a state of mind that when the military soldiers are knocking at their doors and come after their children to take them down, that they say "not me, not me, not me and my house." We are in a fight. There is a time to fight.

Wayne Morris:

Part of your strength, as you said, has been from your anger in terms of trying to expose what they have been doing. What have you been doing since breaking free to a certain degree in terms of exposing what they have been doing? How have you been getting the word out to the public?

Cisco Wheeler:

I have co-authored three books with Fritz Springmeier, and in co-authoring these books we have taken our internal information and our knowledge that we have had because of our own experiences in the Illuminati and we have put it to the page. In other words, we have written it. Because we are a programmer, we understand the inside and the heartbeat of lucifer himself, because mind control and the Illuminati are nothing more than the heartbeat of satan himself, to bring down God's people, the world as a whole.

Wayne Morris:

What more do you think needs to happen in terms of exposing this to the general public?

Cisco Wheeler:

I believe that to understand what is going on within the heartbeat of the Illuminati, that you need to understand what the Illuminati are -- who they are, what they are, and what they have done. To understand something you need to have foresight -- without foresight you are walking in the dark and you are going to think you know but you really do not know until you come in contact with it -- even if it is through the pages of the written word. It's out there -- it's written. Whether it's me or Fritz or someone else, there is written material on mind control and people need to know what's been done. If they don't know what's been done to them, they are never going to know what can be done again to their families and their families, and their children.

Wayne Morris:

So what elements in terms of the Illuminati's belief systems and what they have been doing -- what elements are essential for people to understand?

Cisco Wheeler:

They need to understand that the Illuminati are satanists and that there isn't anything they will not do. They are gods unto themselves. They think they are gods and they are only serving lucifer. They have taken oaths to lucifer to serve him as their prince, as the father of light. They have taken blood oaths in order to see this, to see it done, to see the fulfillment of the end-time, to see the antichrist take his throne. They have done this for centuries.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think it is important that the general public understands the mind control aspects of this and how they have accomplished mind control?

Cisco Wheeler:

Most definitely. If they don't understand mind control, they are not going to understand what's happening in their backyard or in their schools or in their churches or in politics. They need to understand how they have been totally controlled from the cradle themselves -- that most everything they have been told is a lie.

Wayne Morris:

How important in terms of the Illuminati's bloodline is mind control on their own family members? What part does that play in promoting their goals?

Cisco Wheeler:

The Illuminati are very loyal unto themselves. They are gods. They see themselves as gods, and they stay within the Illuminati structure, within the royal bloodlines, within the thirteen ruling families. If you are not generational, you are not going to get into the Illuminati because this is passed from generation to generation from son to daughter to daughter to son, to father ... it touches everyone within the family for generations. This isn't something that just happened.

Wayne Morris:

It seems to be something more than just normal family allegiances at work here in that they have traumatized and mind controlled their own family members. I sense that has been an important part of perpetuating their end goals?

Cisco Wheeler:

That's true, because their allegiance is unto lucifer who I now will call him satan, that's who he is. They believe in the doctrinism of satanism that if they rule as gods and they are obedient to the call which is lucifer's call upon their life because they made blood oaths with him, then they will rule and reign with him in hell. They don't fear hell. They have no fear of hell. They only believe if they do what satan asks them to do, which he does tell them what to do, that they will stand as gods with him in hell and they will rule the people in hell. They will become gods with him. That is the big lie. They believe this. What can I say? That is the bottom line of the doctrine. They believe they will be gods in hell. And they all want to be gods because they see themselves as gods. As a god, they come under no authority except lucifer's authority. Lucifer does their bidding for them. He tells them exactly what to do, what he wants, and they will do it.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think this is driven by just the drive for power and the seduction of power? Is this what is underlying their motivation?

Cisco Wheeler:

It has to do with money, honour, power and glory -- it has to do with demonic entities -- with generational spirits.

Wayne Morris:

So they have aligned themselves with ...

Cisco Wheeler:

With lucifer and his demonic entities, yes, they are very demon possessed.

Wayne Morris:

Both you and Fritz have been helping other victims of this trauma-based mind control. How has the understanding of the programming techniques helped you help others?

Cisco Wheeler:

I have been able to help other victims of trauma-based mind control as I have made myself available to counsel without any charge. Also I have had -- because I have co-authored books with Fritz -- I have the information out there and they are wanting to talk to me about some of the material that has been written in the books because many of them have been facing the same issues and the same problems. Sometimes they just need a listening ear. Also in working with victims of mind control I can understand them in the complexity of who they are and for what has been done to them, without being judgmental. When they tell me they are MKULTRA and Dr. Green or Dr. Black or Dr. Blue or Dr. Star has programmed them and they have memories of this, immediately my heart becomes one with them because I have been there. I have walked in their shoes, and I know what they are going through. I want to hear what they have to say, and I care what has happened to them. I care. I see their journey -- not that I take on their journey -- but I see their journey and whatever I might say may give them the strength they need to continue to go towards health, and that's very important to me.

Wayne Morris:

I am wondering when you are working with other victims, has the act of remembering the trauma of their conditioning, does that help to disable the programming or conditioning?

Cisco Wheeler:

When someone else can walk where you have walked, or say yes, I do acknowledge that -- it's confirmation. We need confirmation. Because the atrocities that have been done to us in order to enslave us to the degree in which we were enslaved under total mind control that we didn't even know we were alive and well on planet earth without permission - you know what I'm saying?

When someone calls me and says "I remember such and such" and I'll say, "you're right on track -- your mind never lied to you -- I can confirm what you are saying -- these things did happen and yes, I am very familiar with this program." I will not tell them about the program because that's very dangerous to do so, but I will let them tell me what they know. Then I will give them the confirmation as to where they are.

Wayne Morris:

What other kinds of things can be done for victims in terms of their own healing and memory work? What else do you recommend for them?

Cisco Wheeler:

I think one of the most important things to remember is that we were all slaves. We were ruled and controlled by the harshest hand of mastery. We were controlled by very sadistic individuals and we were terribly, terribly treated. You wouldn't treat an animal the way we were treated. You wouldn't -- it's important to be sensitive to that because it's very painful. The body has felt raped, the mind has felt raped, the spirit has felt raped. And we need someone to say this really hurts and we need to have someone to say "you know I didn't walk where you have walked and so I can't totally comprehend what you are saying to me, but I am listening, and I truly believe what happened to you did happen to you." Because we have been so programmed to believe that if we tell the world that the world will call us a liar and they will stand us up and either shoot us or put us in prison for the crimes that have been done or that no one is going to believe the atrocities anyway. Did anyone believe about the Holocaust? The world didn't want to hear about the Holocaust. They didn't believe it. It's been how many years -- and people still don't want to believe that the Holocaust really did happen. And what happened to us is no less than what happened in the concentration camps.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that they have done particular types of trauma and conditioning that would set you up to be disbelieved by the public?

Cisco Wheeler:

Oh definitely. When someone like myself or Mr. Springmeier start telling you things about ritual abuse and satanic holidays and yes, they do this, and they do a,b,c and d, the mind goes "Uh, uh. I am going to shut down, you just hit a block here, I don't want to hear it." To hear it means that everything you have been told in your life all of a sudden is a lie. These things do happen. We are programmed within the story lines of fairy tales, etc. and that helps us.

Wayne Morris:

I talked about this with Fritz about how certain cultural - stories, movies, books are used ... Wizard of Oz ...

Cisco Wheeler:

Alice in Wonderland, make believe ...

Wayne Morris:

So this is done for a couple of purposes, both because of the prevalence of this type of material out in our 'cultural' world -- this reinforces the programming.

Cisco Wheeler:

And even if you haven't had the trauma-based mind control, you are still in a world of make believe because you are conditioned to a world of make believe through the fairy tales. There isn't any reality here, but the mind always wants to go back where it is safe.

Wayne Morris:

It seems like some of these programmers also have done things deliberately to discredit any accounts coming -- afterwards -- in terms of the victims, like them dressing up like Santa Claus -- just being ridiculous ...

Cisco Wheeler:

They do that so it invalidates you -- there are certain programs that if you remember this or that -- and I don't want to say it over the phone because I certainly don't want to be responsible for triggering someone out there -- but if you remember certain informatiion you immediately go into an insanity mode. These insanity modes are put in at a very deep level with hypnosis and drugs, and when you hit one, if you don't have a support team that you need, you will go insane. And you will end up in a mental institution. Who wants to believe someone that spent the last six months in a mental institution?

Wayne Morris:

In a general sense, I wonder if you can give some information to our listeners to sensitize them as to what kinds of things were done, what kind of techniques were used for the purposes of mind control? You mentioned hypnosis and drugs, trauma ..

Cisco Wheeler:

Yes, and electrical shock. I always speak for myself, and I go back to eighteen months when they wanted to make sure they splintered my mind. My father was my primary programmer, but he was also my father and when I was born I was isolated with my father in a small room within the environment of our own home, where my father became my primary care provider. I looked up to my father. By the time I was 18 months, because my father was a programmer, he could control my liver, my kidneys, my heart rate, my pulse, my respiration.

Wayne Morris:

How did he accomplish that?

Cisco Wheeler:

Through hypnosis -- I was so trauma-bonded to him. My survival depended totally on him. I was not exposed to the outside world. He was my handler, in every sense of the word. He fed me, he bathed me. I also was a premature birth which was very important because I was a very weak child when I was born. I weighed 2 lb. 1 oz. and he conditioned me through his voice - he always told me he could control me. He loved me to the point that, even in my infancy, as a newborn child, I was totally dependent on him for my life.

When I was 18 months old I was taken from him which was a shock for me because I had never been separated from him, and my first trauma came when I was raped by him. When he finished raping me I had to have reconstructive surgery done to repair the damage. That was the trauma that splintered my mind into a million pieces. I shouldn't say "million", it feels like a million to me -- rather thousands of pieces.

Wayne Morris:

What kind of things were you conditioned to do -- you mentioned sexual slavery -- what other jobs or operations were you programmed to do?

Cisco Wheeler:

I have Beta and Delta alters which are espionage alters -- they specialized in martial arts. They were alters that were used for blackmail of politicians, ministers, anyone that needed to be blackmailed in order to bring them under the subission of the Illuminati.

Wayne Morris:

How would this blackmail occur?

Cisco Wheeler:

Usually through a sexual act. Usually there would be a stage where they would have sex with a certain person and that person, during the sex act, would be traumatized to such a point that the person died and they would be blackmailed that they committed murder, when in fact they didn't. There are many different ways to set up blackmail. It would be recorded and that would be the sex slave's responsibility to do that, and to set that individual up.

Wayne Morris:

Who would be the people behind the blackmail?

Cisco Wheeler:

The Illuminati, the family, who wanted that person under their submission, under their rule, from that day forward. Deltas were assassination alters for anyone who doesn't want to follow the orders of the Illuminati -- anyone who wants to feel like they are bigger or better or stronger or more powerful, and can step outside the authority of the Illuminati and live -- will be eliminated. We also laundered drug money. But you need to understand that these particular alters don't live in the outside world, they live within the mind, within the construct of the mind. When they are needed, they are accessed through a specific code, they are brought up to awareness, to the front of the mind. They are then given the program as to where they are to be, what they are supposed to do, and then after they have done the job they are immediately traumatized again through electrical shock. That memory is shattered again in the mind and then they are put to sleep until the next time. They have no awareness of what's going on in the outside world, or that there is even another world except for the world they are programmed to function in.

Wayne Morris:

The electroshock served to wipe out the memory of the operation?

Cisco Wheeler:

As long as you do it within 48 hours.

Wayne Morris:

You and Fritz have been going public with this information. I understand you have been doing a number of radio shows, you have written books and people have contacted you about that. What kind of response have you gotten from the public with the information you are presenting?

Cisco Wheeler:

We have had very positive response from a lot of therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, ministers, people within our own government. We were just told several weeks ago that there are two congressmen who are reading the books and they are pleased with what has been written, because they know what we have written is factual and they are glad that it is getting out to the public. We have had people say that next to God's word, this book should be in every home, on every shelf, in every library ... Of course it has shattered a lot of their dreams and foundational structuring they have had within their own environment whether that is home or school or church, because things aren't as they seem. People who are truth-seekers are willing to pay that price because that may be the only way they can save themselves and their children.

Wayne Morris:

So some of the professionals who have come across your information have dealt with these issues in their own work ...

Cisco Wheeler:

Oh most definitely. My work has been confirmed by a number of professionals, and they say it's right on. Some of them have worked with multiples for twenty or twenty-five years, and they have confirmed my work.

Wayne Morris:

And what generally is the response from people who have not been exposed to this, just the general public?

Cisco Wheeler:

It's like a culture shock. If you can imagine going into Japan and not being able to speak Japanese - you wouldn't even know how to get a cup of coffee if you wanted one.

Wayne Morris:

And it must be even more of a shock because it's own culture they are confronting.

Cisco Wheeler:

It severs the traditional lies because if you are going to work in truth and you are going to have integrity then you have to see what is in front of you. Our book certainly puts on a light on the darkness so you can see what has happened to you. It's not only multiples who are programmed - the world is programmed. We are programmed to believe our presidents are men of honour, men of great integrity. Our presidents are rotten bastards - they are pedophiles, they are drug addicts, they practise high magic, they practise ritual. They think nothing of live sacrifice of small children. They think nothing of having their own slaves available to them. That's the way it is, that's the truth.

Wayne Morris:

In terms of the books you've written - how much have they gotten out to the public - is it yourselves who are distributing them or do you have distributors?

Cisco Wheeler:

We are self published. If we had a publishing company distributing them, the Illuminati would buy them all up and have the right to them, and we would lose our books.

Wayne Morris:

They would just disappear ...

Cisco Wheeler:

They would just disappear. We can't risk that.

Wayne Morris:

I also wanted to ask you - are you aware of your father's connection to any of the people involved in the CIA MKULTRA projects?

Cisco Wheeler:

Definitely. He was Dr. Green's left hand man. Dr. Green trained him. Also, Dr. Star, Dr. Blue, Dr. White ... these are alibi names. I know their real names but for the sake of survivors who might be listening, I prefer not to trigger them. That would be a very dangerous thing for me to do.

Wayne Morris:

What more do you think the public can do to help victims of mind control? What can the average person do to help?

Cisco Wheeler:

The average person can be a support person, they can contact ministers who are working with MKULTRA mind control survivors, they can contact therapists and say 'I've learned about MKULTRA, about mind control - I'm just beginning to have a picture of what has happened to these individuals who have been traumatized from their birth'. Ask 'how can I help you?' Can I work with you as a therapist, as a minister, as a layman - can I work with you to understand what mind control is? And as I grow and as I understand this subject at a deeper level, then can I reach out and be that hand extended to a survivor out there? Can I be there when they have ritual holidays that are approaching, when their mind wants to have flashbacks as to what happened to them during those ritual holidays? Can I be there to help that individual who can't get out of their house because they are so trauma-bound at this time because they are working on programs or they are fearful for their life and they won't even go to the grocery store because they are terrified? Can I be there to wash that dish because that survivor may not have the strength because she or he is working on their issues, and they are too weak to even do dishes. Can I be there to sit in the middle of the night listening to you because you are in so much pain from what you remembered? Can I be there at night to hold your hand? Can I be there to support you? Those are the little things that give stability to continue because you have to understand, as a survivor, in order to go towards health, everything that was done to us, in order to come out of this healthy, we have to re-live every trauma that was ever done to us. We have to know it with the full impact of our emotions, every sense of ourselves with these five senses that God gave us. We have to see it, smell it, touch it, hear it, feel it.

Wayne Morris:

It's just so difficult for people to understand what you have to go through.

Cisco Wheeler:

I can speak for myself and only for myself because I have experienced it - some of the memories I have had to go through in order to go towards health - as I was going through the memory I would lose control of the process which I needed to work. There's a certain process in retrieving memories that you need to focus on that - there are certain things that you need to do to keep the memory intact, so that the mind doesn't re-splinter itself. If the memory of what was done to you is so powerful that it splintered your mind when you were traumatized. Every memory we have re-traumatizes us. It's a process - it's something you have to learn, over and over again - because every memory has a different feeling. Every memory has a different purpose behind it.

So those who want to be there to help need to learn about mind control. There are many people out there who are working with survivors and they need a break too. They need to have a few days off once in a while, and they need to be able to have a good night's sleep. They need to know that if they want to go and do something special for themselves, that the survivor they are leaving is not going to be harassed all night or is not going to be contacted or is not going to walk out of that house and walk into a trap where they will be re-programmed or tortured. Because the Illuminati is just waiting for a slave to make a mistake and walk out of her house and meet their handlers. All programmed slaves have handlers, and they are just waiting for us. They answer to the Illuminati and their job is to make sure they punish us for what we have done, and that is that we have spoken against the family, we have seen what has been done to us, and we have not held our tongues, we have told, we have talked. And there is a great punishment that comes with that.

Wayne Morris:

For people listening who feel they may have been influenced by this kind of stuff, or know of people, what is your advice for them?

Cisco Wheeler:

I would advise them to seek out a therapist who has had training, at least five years of training, with MPD or DID victims. Who truly understand and believe that ritual abuse does exist on the planet earth. If you are trying to work with someone who doesn't even believe that satanic ritual abuse exists, you are wasting your time. If you are trying to work with someone who doesn't understand DID or MPD, you are also wasting your time because we have no time to play, our minds won't allow us to, there is no playfield here. This is a life and death issue. If you are not in the right setting and working with the right person, they could cost you your life. There is a very high percentage of suicides in recovery for victims of ritual abuse.

Wayne Morris:

In your experience Cisco - how important was it having a strong support system to be able to heal?

Cisco Wheeler:

On a one to ten scale - it's the top ten. Without a support system, you might as well forget it in my opinion. I was one of the more fortunate ones in my healing process - I had Fritz Springmeier who was my support team for many, many months and even into years he was there for me, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, day in and day out.

Therapists have this idea that - and I have heard top therapists say that it's all right to work with a survivor - I prefer to use the word "victim" because we are continually victimized, internally and externally. They say, "well we can spend the one or two hours a week with them and if they get picked up by their handler, that's okay, because we have still made progress." I just about died when I heard this the first time. I thought, man, if you were the one who was picked up by one of your handlers and you were raped, or you were gun-raped, or you were bruised as bad as what I have been bruised, internally and externally, you wouldn't be saying this. When they victimize you and they traumatize you and they de-program you, only the front part of the system is told to tell their therapist they are doing very well. The programs are so intact, and we are so fine-tuned that parts of yourself can be dying internally but part of the system will go to work every day never knowing anything ever happened. It's pathetic. What people do not understand is how severe the trauma is when your handlers get a hold of you and what you could even do to yourself if you don't have someone there. When those programs go off they are hot - they are hot as they were the day they were put in - whether that was twenty years or thirty years ago, it doesn't make any difference - they are red-hot - and when I wanted to cut I wanted to cut myself - when I wanted to burn - I would burn myself. There were times when I had to literally be held down because I couldn't help myself because the programs were so powerful. Therapists don't understand, neither do people understand the depth of the programming - to what extreme they went to ensure everything they did to us would stay intact to be obedient to the laws that govern the Illuminati.

Wayne Morris:

So part of the role of your support team is in helping limit being re-accessed by your programmers?

Cisco Wheeler:

Oh yeah. And it takes a special individual like Fritz - I can only speak for myself because I don't know anyone else who has been as fortunate as I was to have a support person who stayed with me during those hard times. He stayed with me when it wasn't so hard, because there are lot of days that are good, days that are bad. Where we got into trouble - our front system is extremely powerful - very high functioning. They swore up and down that they weren't being contacted, threatened, no harm had come to them in twenty years as far as they knew. That was their information. It doesn't work that way because you have amnesia walls, you are not supposed to know. They go deep, deep into the system. I know the front part of myself - the alters within the front part of my own mind - they made contracts with their therapist, with Fritz, with God - there were certain things they wouldn't do. There were boundaries they wouldn't cross - no, they wouldn't leave the house at 1 a.m. Well, you have sleep triggers and so forth during certain ritual holidays. The minute that front system lays down, there are deep parts that are ready and willing to go. The alters in the front of the mind go to sleep, the other alters slip out. The front alters think they slept all night. Well, we have been playing all night. You know what I am saying?

Wayne Morris:

It must be devastating to realize they have affected you at such a deep level.

Cisco Wheeler:

You cannot make contracts for the deeper parts of the mind because the mind doesn't even know what's going on within the front system, nor are they going to make it a commitment, because they are 100% programmed. They are going to do what they are told to do because they know nothing else. They only know the scripts which are running within their own mind.

Wayne Morris:

I think it's a testament to your courage and strength to be able to have broken the control as much as you have, and to have gone through and dealt with what you have, and I think that sends out a hopeful message to other mind control victims out there.

Cisco Wheeler:

There is lots of hope out there for mind control victims if they have a very strong support system. Like with Fritz - he stayed with me 24 hours a day, and when it was bad, when I would go into memory and be triggered by something and programs would kick in - he was there to support me - to help me talk it through. And he taught me how to run the two tracks. One track I acknowledge as the program track and the other track is the de-program track so that I could balance myself out and get back on my feet. You can stay within a program for days if you don't have someone to teach you how to free yourself up from the old messages.

Wayne Morris:

Can you explain how that worked? How you thought about the two tracks in terms of your breaking control?

Cisco Wheeler:

In my mind, I have the first track set up as: I wanted my life to be new - I made a commitment that I wanted a change of direction - I did not want to be what I was - I did not want to function in the degree in which I functioned working within the Illuminati. I wanted nothing to do with it. I wanted to wash my hands of it and walk away from it. I was very upset at what had been done to me, that my choices as an individual had been taken away from me from infancy. I totally had to acknowledge that I was under slavery. I didn't like it, and my choice was 'I'm out of here - I am going to find a way to get out of here if it's the last thing I do - I would rather be dead than to serve them." And I still feel that way and it's been several years. I still feel very strongly that I would rather be dead than to serve them. I had to come to terms with the fact that I had to find a new way to function. Okay - I have a new track here and on that track I am going to go right across it in an unprogrammed state. You have to see the power, or realize in your mind how good it feels to be able to have a choice that you can make freely because that's what they have taken away from you.

If you are a child and you have learned to walk and you go outside and get hit by a car, and your legs are crushed, and you have to be in a cast for months and months and you have to re-walk when those casts are taken off -- as a survivor I have learned to walk. I had to learn to crawl, I had to learn to walk, now I can run, it's a process.

I also know that I have a second track which is the old messages put in by the programmers which lead me in a state of total 100% mind control, under the influence of the old script, the old programs. I know when I am in that state, I am in a dangerous state. That's when I would cut myself, run away, didn't want to live, all the negatives in life. When the programs kick in from the subconscious to conscious awareness, the memories trigger the programs, they reveal themselves with the full impact of the trauma when they layered it into our minds so many years ago.

Cisco Wheeler:

In deprogramming we have to unravel the programming script and find the lie. When you find the lie then you can put the light on it and the lie loses its power. That's where the miracle is. Your programs are lies. That's all they are. Was I an ugly little girl? No. I wasn't. Children aren't ugly. Children are beautiful. I found the lie. They lied to me. Did anybody ever love me? As far as the cult was concerned no one could ever love me except the family because I was unlovable. Because of the crimes that were done to me, they put the guilt and the responsibility on me instead of taking the responsibility for their own acts as adults. They gave me the responsibility and I wore the coat of many colours. I had to weave a new coat and that's where the two tracks help.

Wayne Morris:

It seems that they have been able to continue doing these horrific acts against other people by not taking responsibility or not taking blame for their own actions and externalizing that.

Cisco Wheeler:

I believe that for every survivor out there - when you were programmed in the womb and you were 100% under their control - when they tell you to cry, you cry. When they tell you to scream, you scream. When they tell you to eat, you eat. Every facet of your life is totally controlled by them. When Fritz found a part in my system, and he told me I was a little girl, I just looked at him and told him, "you're crazy, I am not a little girl, I am a kitten." I looked in the mirror and I had a porcelain face and on that a face is a kitten and that's how they programmed me. They had so dehumanized me as a sex kitten that I didn't even know I was a child. When I went through the memories so I could have an identity for myself, I realized that to be a little girl was the most painful thing in the whole world, because every time I was human in any sense of the word, or I thought I had any humanism as far as being a little girl, I was so severely tortured that I reached a place in my own mind that I never wanted to be a little girl. It was too painful to be a little girl.

They set up two cages for us - one cage was full of nice, beautiful little kittens - white, calico, black, persian gray. I was in the cage next to them with a pan that was hooked to electrical current. Every time I wanted water or to eat something, and I touched that pan, I was shocked. That's just one little example. I was shamed, I was spit on, totally humiliated in that cage for being a little girl. The Illuminati, Dr. Green, my father, made sure that the kittens were fed whatever they wanted to eat. They were loved, petted, cooed at - just loved - for a number of days. After all the trauma I had gone through, I guess my little mind decided not to be the little girl, but to be a kitten. The kittens get to eat, are not lying in their feces naked, they are not being shamed, spit on, kicked. When I had memories of this, my body was so bruised from the kicks I had received from the Illuminati family in the programming that I had to wear the bruises on my body until I worked through the memory. That just gives you a little example of how far they go to make sure they get what they want.

Wayne Morris:

Extremely sadistic.

Cisco Wheeler:

I haven't thought about it in about three years, but these little kittens are very powerful in my mind today as I am talking on the phone. I see these kittens, and how well they were treated. My father totally rejected me at that point. I loved my father very much because I was conditioned to do so. I loved him in his gentleness, and in his weakness and his strength, and when he was bad. It didn't matter because the mind was set up to accept whatever he was.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel your father was also a victim of programming?

Cisco Wheeler:

I have no doubt in my mind that my father was a multiple. My father was a genius at every level, but he had a gentle side, he was a musician as well as satanist. Like I said, he worked for the CIA, he was a 33rd degree Mason plus - there are many levels beyond 33 by the way. He was a Grand Master. He sat on the Grand Druid Council. He was a very wise man, just not wise in the right things. It's too bad that his learning hadn't been applied in other directions - he would have gone far. I can't respect my father for who he is.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think he had a choice in the matter?

Cisco Wheeler:

No. I don't because it was generational. He was trapped as I was trapped. But the difference between me and my father is that there was a part of my father that knew, even when the good side of my father that loved his family, worked in the workplace, was in the military -- there is a real positive part about my father. He was a people lover, he loved people and people loved him. But I think there was a time in my father's life when he realized what he was and what he was doing, I think the barriers within his own mind, within his own multiplicity, had broken down to the point that he knew, but he also knew he was in over his head. It would cost him his life to move away or to change directions. He was too far in.

Wayne Morris:

Then obviously the difference being that you chose, you made the choice to break away and to fight that.

Cisco Wheeler:

Right. And there is a wilful act within the family, the Illuminati family, there is a wilful act there. And I can honestly say the things we did, we did because we were groomed. We were programmed to do so, but when the light was put on, and we did the memory work, and we had a free choice to say "do we or don't we?" our system didn't want to. We wanted to do right, we wanted that hope, that chance to be what we really wanted to be that was born into us, and that was to be good. That's the simplest way to say it. I still feel very childish, I feel like a child that wants to be good. I don't want to be bad. I don't like what was done to me and I don't like what has been done to others. It's been totally unfair. It has destroyed many, many lives. The one thing that I wanted to say is that when I first came out of the system and Fritz was working with me on a daily basis, I asked him, "these children in the world? do their fathers rape them?" He said, "no, good fathers do not rape their children." It threw me for a loop, and I stood there and I looked at him and said, "I really feel sorry for these children in this world because they are not loved." He said, "oh but they are loved" and I said, "oh no - if the fathers aren't raping their children, then they are not loved." I thought rape was love. That's pretty sick.

Wayne Morris:

They just turned those ideas upside down.

Cisco Wheeler:

The first time I had ever had a tear in my eye was when he told me that little girls and little boys aren't normally raped by their fathers, that is not the standard of living in which we live. And that upset me to such a point - that was the first time I ever felt a tear on my face. Because I really felt so bad that children were not being loved by their fathers. And it took me a long time to understand the difference, because right is wrong, and wrong is right, that's how you are programmed. Isn't it something, when you really think about it? I look back on it now, and I cannot believe the ability they had to do to my mind and so many other survivors out there. To what degree they would go.

Wayne Morris:

Especially to children.

Cisco Wheeler:

At Inucurran (sp) they had cages on the walls. They put us in the cages and the monkeys or the apes got to take care of us. We had three of them. One fed us, one beat us, and one raped us to dehumanize us.

Wayne Morris:

... God ... oh boy ...

Cisco Wheeler:

I still wake up and here I am in my fifties and when I was working on my memories at Inucurran (sp) in the cages -- well see, whatever they want in the system -- if they want a particular part in the mind to be a particular something they had to set the stage for that to come about.

Wayne Morris:

So that they are manipulating a particular context to achieve a certain end ...

Cisco Wheeler:

Yes, a certain image within the mind. A child has creativity but they have to give us the creativity from which to work from because you have to understand that the mind is protected by the family in that it is hidden within itself, like a box within itself -- boxes and boxes, many boxes and each box has a family within the mind or it's all set up like a grid. A 13x13 grid and 13 deep, so your hidden parts get no influence from or to the outside world. When I came out into the world and I met Fritz, I had never known what the world was. I had the freedom of knowing how to go to the grocery store or where was it or what was it. I didn't know because I was only programmed to do what they wanted me to. They would wake me up, give me my programs, put me on the right track as to where they wanted me to be. I would go do what they wanted me to do, as soon as I did it, back to sleep I went. I had no influence.

When Fritz told me that I had a family and a mother that was still living I thought the man was crazy. Here's something else that will just throw you for a loop -- I have seven grandchildren, that means I have three children of my own that are grown. When he introduced me to my son when he was thirty (he's a pilot) out of courtesy I just said, well it's very nice to meet you in my mind. Afterwards I told Fritz, you are absolutely crazy. You think I'm crazy -- you guys, you've had it. You're telling me I am programmed as a kitten, a sex kitten, and when I look in the mirror I see a porcelain face, a kitten's face, and I am 17 years old and I am not supposed to age. When you look at me and I am fifty years old, and you look at me and take a picture of me I am 17. I still look 17, but the point is I was so totally 100% programmed that when Fritz wanted to give me the truth about what happened to my life, my mind couldn't even receive it because I had so much programming. It took me two years to realize I wasn't a kitten before I believed him. Two years of hard work every single day to break down the lies. That's how strong my defence was. I looked at all these kids and this is what I said to Fritz: "Fritz you are absolutely crazy. You expect me to believe that this is my son. You are telling me that my son is thirty years old. I have no recall. I didn't carry him." I didn't remember him when he played as a child. I had no identity with this child whatsoever, that's how dark it was inside my world. I said, "He's thirty years old, and I am seventeen -- wait a minute here Fritz, something doesn't add up. You're crazy. You expect me to bite that apple? And I'm going to bite it and I'm going to believe this, right?" That's the way the mind is. That's just one example. He introduced me to my mother, to my sisters. I had two sisters that I didn't know about.

Wayne Morris:

So as you went through your memory work did you regain those parts of your life in terms of knowing who your children were and ...

Cisco Wheeler:

I have had to build relationships. As I was able to get stronger and work on the memories -- first I had to acknowledge the lie -- that is, that my father liked me. That was a very harsh lie for me. I could not believe that my father had ever lied to me, not my father. I cannot express how hard it was for me to acknowledge that my father lied to me. Because if I accepted the first lie, then I had to accept all the other lies. I didn't want to. I did not want my father defaced. As time went on, months went on, then I had to face what he was and what he had done to others. If he did this to me and I was his child, oh my God, what has he done to so many other children being a programmer? And that just about killed me.

Wayne Morris:

Again, that must have been devastating to you.

I would like to thank you very much Cisco for joining us on this show. I know it's very difficult to talk about these issues, and I really admire your enormous courage in exposing this.

Cisco Wheeler:

Thank you very much, thank you for asking.



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Wayne Morris:

We have been listening to an interview with Cisco Wheeler, a survivor of Illuminati family and U.S. government mind control. Tapes of this radio series are finally available at the office of CKLN, 380 Victoria in Juergenson Hall on Ryerson University campus. Tapes are $8.00 each and transcripts are $3.00 each. Catalogues are available listing all the shows. I would like to spend this next few minutes just commenting on last weekend's CBC docudrama - The Sleep Room. In my opinion it was a little too heavy on the drama and too little on the docu based what we have heard on this radio series about Ewen Cameron and his role in CIA mind control on children. It was a two part series, and the first part I found particularly misleading in portraying Cameron as someone with "good but misguided" intentions -- especially using the reason that he left the Allen Memorial due to finding out his patients were not being cured ... also for what it left out about Cameron's role in CIA mind control technology development, including his involvement with experiments on children ... and other disinformation. The movie portrayed the CIA's motive as being just to keep up to the Communists with mind control technology, and the portrayal that the CIA just started experimenting with mind control when it is a documented fact that the CIA had been producing mind control programmed agents ten years previous to that. They also portrayed Cameron as not being concerned with military and intelligence applications for his work -- I find that a little hard to swallow. And not being aware of electroshock's effects of wiping out memory -- when he was an electroshock expert and trained many other psychiatrists how to use electroshock. Other disinformation was that the experiments didn't "amount to anything" and were ultimately useless to the CIA when they have taken mind control technology far beyond what was portrayed and that it was useless is a lie. If CBC had done its homework, maybe they wouldn't be perpetrating this lie. I don't know, maybe they would. They made no attempt to link Cameron to the other well documented doctors involved in MKULTRA or what they were trying to accomplish, what their end goal was in creating Manchurian Candidate type mind control operatives.

The second part of the "docudrama" dealt with the survivors' battle for legal justice. Some good things I thought were the portrayal of the Canadian government reps covering up for the CIA and the sheer sliminess of the CIA scum lawyers. However, it may have had the effect on people who were watching it, especially on people who aren't aware of what is going on in mind control that justice was eventually served -- even though the amount of money that the survivors received was really a joke in light of what these people went through. I felt that CBC considers this movie now closes the book on mind control atrocities, and that's far from the truth. These atrocities, as we have heard in this series, are continuing today.

I thought it was unusual that David and Valerie Orlikow were excluded from being characters in the film when they were the driving force behind the lawsuit and also particularly because David was a Canadian Member of Parliament and the weight that would have carried to bring about the suit. I think it may have been satisfying for survivors of Cameron's atrocious experiments to have seen the movie and how the survivors were portrayed in their search for justice, but the reality is that these people were not the only victims of Cameron and all of the other mind control doctors across Canada and the U.S. I do hope that the movie is raising public awareness about mind control and what Cameron did, and hopefully it will encourage public discussion about this, but I think many people might think that this happened a long time ago, it was settled, end of story. Well, the story does not end there folks. It's continuing right here on CKLN, and we are continuing the series next week. Stay tuned, we will have an interview with Brice Taylor, former mind control slave used by the White House as a Presidential Model sex slave and by the CIA and other intelligence groups, and she is also the author of the book "Starshine: One woman's valiant escape from mind control".

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Brice Taylor Interview

CKLN 88.1 FM Ryerson Polytechnical University Toronto, Ontario

Mind Control Series



Producer/Interviewer Wayne Morris:

Good morning. You are tuned in again to The International Connection, and we are in Part 42 of the ongoing interview series on mind control. Today we are bringing you part one of an interview I conducted with Brice Taylor, a former Whitehouse-level mind control victim. She has been used as a sex slave for a number of U.S. presidents, foreign officials, and other power-brokers while under the influence of mind control. She has been subjected to horrific torture and abuse, beginning in her childhood, at the hands of her family, and has been programmed at various military bases in the U.S., and at NASA. She is the author of a fictionalized account of her life, "Starshine: One woman's valiant escape from mind control", and since breaking free and recovering, has been in touch with hundreds of mind control survivors across the U.S. Here now is that interview:

Wayne Morris:

I am speaking to Brice Taylor, a survivor of mind control. Welcome to the show, Brice. I wonder if you could start off by just giving a short description of who you are, and your background.

Brice Taylor:

Actually, "Brice Taylor" is a pseudonym that I chose to protect myself and my children when I first started writing my book and putting it out. I am a ritual abuse, government mind control survivor, and I have spent since 1985 working to heal from that and documenting what I was involved with at the highest levels within our government and internationally as the people's leaders are invested in bringing in the New World Order.

Wayne Morris:

Who was responsible initially for your programming and conditioning?

Brice Taylor:

Initially, up close, my father primarily was, at home on a daily basis, and my mother was also programmed to abuse and program me. My whole family was actually involved in my programming, including my grandparents on both sides, aunts, uncles and my brothers. As I grew older, by the time I was five, I was being taken to military bases in and out of California and officials there were programming me, and later, doctors at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute in California, and places where there were NASA installations - I was also programmed.

Wayne Morris:

Do you remember when it started - the conditioning?

Brice Taylor:

I had actually some very early memories of being traumatized as an infant, so it started when I was very, very young.

Wayne Morris:

What is your family's background, your father and grandfather in particular ...

Brice Taylor:

My background is intergenerational ritual satanic abuse, and I know that because my father flew me back to Iowa where my grandfather lived and they involved me in satanic ritual there, and it was then that I realized that my grandfather who was a millionaire and politician, was involved and was also intergenerationally connected. It has gone back in the family for generations as far as I know.

Wayne Morris:

Did your family learn in terms of the mind control programming or was it strictly in terms of being traumatized by the satanic rituals?

Brice Taylor:

I have no way of knowing what my parents' duties or jobs were during their early lifetimes, but I believe that my father was made into a multiple through the severe satanic ritual that happened to him, so I don't believe that he was consciously operating with the programming of me, where all parts of him knew what was going on, because I know he was a multiple. I watched him switch into child personalities and all sorts of different entities that he became during the years.

Wayne Morris:

Was that caused by his father's conditioning of him?

Brice Taylor:

Yes. My Dad was severely tortured his whole life, had a very abusive childhood, and as I was healing and able to look back, he even had several near-death experiences due to accidents that I think were perhaps his programming kicking up as mine did later on.

Wayne Morris:

Were there government or military connections in your family?

Brice Taylor:

Not to the public, but certainly I was shuffled and taken into the government and military bases, but as far as being publicly connected, no.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know how they had made that connection with the military in terms of turning you over to them?

Brice Taylor:

I believe that whole connection came with my grandfather who was a politician, and it seemed like once I met him (I had never met him until I was nearly ten years old and my father flew me to Iowa to meet him) - it was shortly after that I started being connected to all sorts of famous politicians and entertainers, and a lot of different people. So I believe it was through my grandfather.

Wayne Morris:

Was your grandfather himself conditioned, or was he knowledgeable about the techniques of conditioning for the purpose of mind control?

Brice Taylor:

I have no way of knowing ... all I know is that he tortured me and my father was there, and there were usually a lot of other men. I have only my own experience and what I believe to be the truth for my father is that although they created these heinous things, and did all of this, that he was programmed also. I can't answer that for my grandfather. I wasn't around him enough.

Wayne Morris:

Can you describe for our listeners what kinds of things were done to you that you remember as a child?

Brice Taylor:

It is always hard for me to go back into this, it seems that no matter how many years go by, it is still very painful. There was trauma done in the form of being stuck with pins and needles, being burned, hung by my feet - sometimes to crosses, spun, dropped off a table as an infant, near drowning, sexual abuse and orgies, being drugged, food and sleep deprivation, and then adding to that when I was around five, was all of the military mind control that was done with very sophisticated instrumentation and chairs and electroshock ... That was all done to create a shattered psyche that I believe was used later for all these different personalities that were created for the mind control purpose.

Wayne Morris:

Were you used by the military at the bases as a child, or was that later in your life?

Brice Taylor:

I was taken to bases in Long Beach, California as a child where they used very sophisticated means of light, sound combined with electroshock and drugs and all sorts of torture and hypnosis.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that your family had kind of laid in the base conditioning in terms of creating dissociation within you, and then more sophisticated mind control later, or were they programming you as well?

Brice Taylor:

My father was absolutely programming me as well, he did the base programming and a lot of the trauma-based conditioning, and then these other layers of more sophisticated programming were put in on top of that.

Wayne Morris:

In terms of your father's public life, what was his public image?

Brice Taylor:

My father was a welder, he was certainly everything any father was supposed to be. He provided well for his family, and was seen as a very charming man. No one had any idea, including his own physician, and I am not sure I understand that either because this man was creating so much torture and trauma in his children.

Wayne Morris:

Was your mother a co-perpetrator, did she have knowledge of what was going on?

Brice Taylor:

My mother also abused me in a lot of different ways, and I thought at the time when I was recovering my memory and going through all of this that my mother had done this on purpose. It wasn't until I healed to the level to be able to go back and confront her with all the different traumas, and tortures and abuses - that I saw her cry and she said to me "it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I can't remember." I felt very strongly that my mother actually may at a subconscious level have known that she had participated, however she couldn't remember. However, she wasn't discounting what I said which was very unusual for most survivors. Usually their parents say, "this never happened" - my mother did not do this. In fact she went on to help fund financially my book when I was running for my life and had no source of income. She has helped me even today, although she still only cries and has not any of her own memories.

Wayne Morris:

Do you have memories of your mother being involved in the cult activity as well?

Brice Taylor:

Yes. I have memories of my mother being tortured and traumatized in satanic rituals that were done at some churches that we went to at night. My mother was a battered wife, she doesn't remember a lot of it but my father battered her and some of the personalities he had were abusive and others weren't. So my mother was absolutely tortured, and I know that she was programmed in a sophisticated way in order to deliver me off in time to the airport late at night or early in the morning when I was being used internationally, and with high level leaders in our government, and with entertainers and she doesn't remember any of that. However to this day she has trouble driving to the airport and doesn't understand why it is so frightening for her. Those are the kind of indications to me that she really knows but she can't remember, because of programming.

Wayne Morris:

Has she attempted to get help for herself?

Brice Taylor:

My Mom did, and my Mom is nearly 80 years old. She said to me "I am afraid I will come apart and I won't be able to function", because she watched me become severely dysfunctional to where I couldn't even take care of myself or anybody else in order to heal. She said she felt her greatest help would be able to help me financially and to be able to be there with my children, who I am not able to have much contact with at this point. My Mother is a victim, and now that I have done my complete healing and realized that my life with my children was very similar to the one that she led with me, I have some very deep compassion for her and wish that in her time it would have been for her to heal, but I understand. I know what it took for me to go through the healing process. It was years, and it was over $250,000 worth of therapy and bodywork, and all sorts of healing modalities ... so I understand what it has taken in the past to heal and what it would take for her as an older person. I was in therapy daily. My Mother is an incredibly strong person, even in her late 70's, she is working in the capacity that she can, and it's pretty miraculous actually.

Wayne Morris:

When you were a child, did you attempt to tell anybody about the abuses, or were you even somewhat aware?

Brice Taylor:

It's interesting that you ask that Wayne, because when I was deprogramming and reintegrating, I had a lot of memories, and one of the specific ones that I had explains this. I had a personality in elementary school that was programmed to do child pornography and the way it was done was that I was taken out of my classroom at school in order to go to be taken to what they called "choir practice". My church was very close locally, so they would take me out of class to be taken to the choir director's home to practice "choir" during schooltime. What ended up happening was that once we got there, and put on our choir robes, the whole thing turned and changed, and we stopped singing. And we went downstairs in the basement to be filmed in pornography and all sorts of heinous ritualistic pornographic, everything filmed with all sorts of equipment. This one day by the time I was taken back to school with the other children, I had for some reason not switched out of that personality. I went to the school principal's office and I told her that this had happened and I was talking in all these terms with sexual language and things that she found very distasteful, and I remember her shaking her finger at me and saying, "stop talking like this, this is disgusting, children shouldn't be speaking like this". I got punished for that like I did lots of different subsequent times when I attempted to tell what was going on - I always ended up getting punished. Yes, I did attempt to tell and whether this woman, the principal, was herself programmed ... I have since learned from my own experience that oftentimes there will be a whole web of people in a community - the professionals, the educational system, the church system - and everyone in that community will be programmed and have been ritually abused and they attend rituals at night without even knowing it in an attempt to keep the whole community traumatized and programmed. So, yes I did try to tell. It took until very late on in my life for people to start listening.

Wayne Morris:

Did this principal inform your parents of what you were saying?

Brice Taylor:

No.

Wayne Morris:

Where did you grow up?

Brice Taylor:

I grew up in California in Woodland Hills - it was southern California - about 20 minutes inland from Malibu.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know if as a child you were displaying signs of abuse that teachers could have picked up on?

Brice Taylor:

Thinking back now, just even that example that I described to you where I had knowledge of sexual behaviour and language that was well beyond the understanding of a child - I was always labelled as mischievous, getting in trouble in school, acting out. I was always the class clown. I think I did have even physical signs that teachers today would possibly pick up, and probably even the difference in my personalities had to have shown. I had obvious switches, where I was switching in and out of different personalities. I know that because when I reintegrated there were a lot of different school personalities that had been created to handle school. I am sure that when teachers and other adults begin to have more information about dissociative identity disorder and all of this abuse that they will have the eyes to see.

Wayne Morris:

When did you first realize that you were subjected to mind control?

Brice Taylor:

The memory of the actual mind control involvement started to come to light in 1988 after several years of thinking I was crazy, having the accident, and all of that. In 1988 I realized there was more than I was just "crazy, nuts, confused".

Wayne Morris:

You had memories of the ritual abuse before that?

Brice Taylor:

In 1985 I had a head injury. I had a head-on collision where my head went through the windshield of the car. What that did was it allowed me to access both sides of my brain for the first time in my life, and I began having memories - very frequent memories of all sorts of abuse that came in such a way that it was difficult for me to continue to process it all. There was just so much of it. There were years of memories that came flooding in. As my programming dictated, when those memories initially in 1985 started coming in, I just thought I was crazy. I was programmed to believe that if anything came up, I would just think I was crazy. In 1987 I had another accident on the same date as the head-on collision where I broke my back and smashed my head again riding a horse. It was on April 12 at 9:15 in the morning which was the same time as my 1985 head-on collision. The result of that accident was more very vivid flashback memories that came in the form of visual flashes, body memories where I felt agony, my body felt drugged. Very specific places in my body had pain. Once I learned through my daily therapy to begin to process that, I learned what it all meant. I would like to explain that during this time I was in school working towards my Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology to be a psychologist - when all of this memory started breaking through. This made me have to quit school before I graduated, but it gave me a lot of information about the psychological process and what I would need to go through to heal.

Wayne Morris:

It seems really unusual that you would have the two accidents on the same day at the same time. Do you feel that they were arranged - or at least the second one?

Brice Taylor:

I believe that it was definitely arranged, and I believe that because what happened in 1991 on April 10th which was 2 days before the anniversary of the accident date - I received a dollar bill in my wallet that had programming numbers and the date April 12th written across it. When I showed it to my therapist they realized this was intentional. Every time they sent things like this in to me, it was just another validation of reality for me.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think they would have programmed you to ride into that tree the second time?

Brice Taylor:

I think I was programmed to have an accident if I became dangerously close to remembering, and I think that once I had the first accident that they may have tied the second one to it in an attempt to kill me. I really don't know that. I know I was still being used. I continued to be used even when I thought I was free in 1991 and 1992, and even into 1993. I believe they were attempts to injure me to the point where I could function. I don't know. I don't have all the answers.

Wayne Morris:

From what you know from other survivors' experiences, do you feel that's a common technique for killing people if they do come too close to remembering?

Brice Taylor:

Yes, I do. I think that as people are educated and become more aware, they will be able to see more clearly what has happened. I received letters from survivors, it began nationally, and now I receive letters from all over the world from survivors who have had all kinds of head injuries, strokes, all kinds of programmed accidents. Fortunately for all of us, and unfortunately for our controllers, what it has done is that it has actually made the brain barriers easier to access and to remove some of the amnesic barriers so that people who are having these accidents are beginning to remember more and more.

Wayne Morris:

Just in the news recently - the fatal accidents that Michael Kennedy and Sonny Bono had - skiing into a tree - sound very familiar. That's immediately what came to my mind. How did you manage to break free of their control, at what point did that happen?

Brice Taylor:

I was in daily therapy from 1987 on, and sometimes twice a day. So I was writing memories at home, in therapy. I was drawing. I was having bodywork. I was doing just about everything to heal. So I had healed and had begun to integrate a lot of my personalities so when in 1991 I received that dollar bill with my accident date written on it ... At that point I had connected with Dr. Catherine Gould who is a therapist in California who has worked for years with children who had DID and have been ritually abused. I met her actually when I was in school along my venture to be a therapist, and so she started giving me information as I was asking her questions about programming. She was able to give me a little information. No one who was around me - neither of my therapists had ever heard of ritual abuse or had worked with anyone at all with MPD - no one who was working with me really understood what I was talking about. Once I realized there was such a thing as mind control, the programming just started unfolding. Parts of me that knew about the programming that had been done started filling up journals listing my specific programming and how it worked; drawing pictures that I share in workshops that I do. I began to understand that there was a lot more to this than I could ever imagine, and I was afraid for my life and for my children's lives. I didn't know what to do. My therapist helped relocate me to an island on Hawaii and I went there and I was only going to spend a week trying to get clear on what I should do. I started realizing that my ex-husband was also a victim of this, and that there was a lot more going on. I went to this island, thinking I would only spend a week, and I ended up there for five weeks and returned in an attempt to rescue my children. During the time I was there, I had a lot of the higher level memories of my government and entertainer involvement. Being on the island, I had no money and very little support. I had a couple who helped me. I got a word processor and lived very frugally and just wrote and continued bringing back the memories and writing every day and re-integrating. With all of that, I realized that I had been used at very high levels within our own government. To help combat the programming that said I was crazy, I began to be strong enough of my own mind and body to be able to recognize when people were sent in on me to access me. I would be programmed to call back into a number and I was advised to keep doing that until I was healthy enough to really break free. I would call in, and these men would be on the phone, and they validated my reality of what I was remembering in a way that I am grateful to them now. I had no way of understanding before why men in suits would be following me in cars around L.A. and all over the place. It started making sense to me and I was able to put it together. In 1991 I was healing at a rampant rate, but I was still being accessed and used on the island. I was still being prostituted along with my daughter on the island. It was pretty devastating when I healed and realized it, but I was still healing and that's how I realized what was really going on.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know up to what point your perpetrators were still using you?

Brice Taylor:

I am not sure if I have the date right, but I believe it was actually until just before our current president was inaugurated was one of the last times I was used.

Wayne Morris:

When you were dealing with your first therapist you said they weren't really aware of mind control techniques. What kind of work were you doing with them? Were you doing memory work at that point?

Brice Taylor:

I started out just doing psychotherapy and analysis - it's absolutely insane to be doing that with someone under mind control - but they had no way of knowing. I was just doing straight psychotherapy and the memories started flooding in from the accidents, the trauma, and as I began to feel safer - that there was someone who, even if they didn't understand ... My therapist looked at me all the time like I was nuts. I was just coming up with all this abuse. The childhood abuse came up first, and then the ritual abuse memories came on the heels of the sexual abuse, and then the government mind control stuff came.

Wayne Morris:

So working with those initial therapists - you started remembering the government mind control ... At the point where they had stopped using you, or you were able to avoid being used, was there something you had done to prevent that? What was the situation?

Brice Taylor:

Actually I worked with a renegade member of the intelligence community who I lived with for a year and a half, and he was able to help me through identifying my codes, keys and triggers, what my programming was. We actually spent a year and a half in the house where he would trigger me and I would just go into my room and write and write and write, volumes of memory work where I would just go right back in ... I had been programmed to have a photographic memory and traumatic memory is laid down differently than normal memory is stored. I was able to not only see and hear, but use all my senses to go back into these memories and document it all. Over time there was no way I had any information or could have known about any of this top secret, still classified projects or the level of political sophistication and the interconnection of politicians and world leaders that I was used with.

Wayne Morris:

Are you aware, or do you know how they programmed you to have photographic memory?

Brice Taylor:

It was a hypnotic command done under hypnosis with drugs and specific personalities.

Wayne Morris:

You have written a book about your account. "Starshine: One woman's valiant escape from mind control", and within that book you mentioned some electronic, harmonics equipment to help with your memory retrieval and deprogramming. Could you describe that and other forms of technology that were helpful?

Brice Taylor:

The harmonic equipment that I spoke about in the book was actually explained to me by this member of the intelligence community - that was some of the specific programming equipment that had been used to program people. It could be used to deprogram people. However, since then I have not been able to get anybody within the government obviously to bring this equipment out publicly. But I do have some very good hope for people that have been through this to heal, and the closest that I know of help for people ... In fact, I am now in the process of beginning to open a business for EEG biofeedback. There is a company in California that is one of many around the country called "EEG Spectrum" and basically it is a way of a person working through with a computer game that is monitoring your own brain waves, where a survivor or anyone is able to begin to realize what brainwave state they are in. Survivors are usually heavy Theta accessed - they are in Theta a lot. Basically what this does is to help people stay more into the Beta which is their conscious, alert awareness and learn that way. One of the beauties of EEG biofeedback is that however a person has been traumatized, and most people born into these generations on the earth now have been traumatized in whatever way -- the trauma begins to be encoded physically and therapy alone over time doesn't affect the body/mind connection in the way that this EEG biofeedback reintegrates brain function so the body/mind can begin to be dealt with. I bought the equipment and began working with my daughter at home during a few months when I was able to have her, and it borders on being miraculous. Of course she was very afraid it was like mind control, but it brought her out of catatonic states and made her be able to function in ways that she wasn't able to. I would say that the EEG biofeedback equipment and technology is the closest I know to help victims with memory retrieval and deprogramming - it is gentler, kinder and without so much body pain memory. It's EEG Spectrum and there are affiliates all over the nation and it is 1-800-789-3456. [ http://www.eegspectrum.com/ (Found via AltaVista)]

Wayne Morris:

With this kind of equipment - was it that you were able to see your brainwave activity and then adjust your own thinking to deal with it? How did that work?

Brice Taylor:

Basically you are fed back a "reward" so it's like - it's operant conditioning - just like a rate in a maze. You are rewarded when pacman goes and you hear the sound accompanied with a reward. It's a reward that rewards your central nervous system, so it's not like someone has to be an intellectual or figure it out - the healing happens. I have been working with children with ADD and ADHD and often within two or three sessions, kids that are 10 or 11 years old who have never been able to read are reading ... they are saying, "I can read", and children who are on Ritalin are coming off Ritalin because they are able to manage their brainwave state. So children can do it, adults can do it, because it works with the central nervous system. It's very powerful and I think it is very hopeful for the future.

Wayne Morris:

I would like to talk now about some of the techniques they used to condition and program you. Do you remember how hypnosis was used to control and program?

Brice Taylor:

It was used in just about all of my earlier programming, whether it was my father or programmers - I was taken a lot to Disneyland or different places where fantasy was intentionally mixed with reality. Hypnosis was always used in conjunction with drugs, and often when I was at military bases or NASA installations, it was used in conjunction with a very sophisticated chair and instruments that went over my head - I was given electroshock and hypnotic commands with drugs that they know are very useful in allowing that hypnotic command to go deeper than the subconscious mind.

Wayne Morris:

What was the purpose of the drugs? Was that to make you more open to hypnosis?

Brice Taylor:

I think the drugs are used in a lot of different ways, certainly I am not a physician or a brain surgeon to know how that all works. But I believe the drugs were used a lot to keep the conscious mind out of the way in order to be able to take the programming to very deep levels.

Wayne Morris:

Just to open the subconscious ... And specifically, what was the purpose of electricity? What factor did that play in mind control?

Brice Taylor:

As a child I was 'shocked' at home by bare electric cords, and as I began getting a little older - with a cattle prod, and then stun guns as I was older still. And then later the hi-tech electronic equipment at the bases. And I believe that's done for dissociation - as a person is shocked and traumatized it affects your whole energy field and the trauma creates dissociation which allows people to be programmed at very deep levels when your conscious mind is out of the way.

Wayne Morris:

Later on, with the more sophisticated programming, what was the role of electricity?

Brice Taylor:

I believe it is still the same thing. There are members of the intelligence community; there are ex-military people who, it may take ten years, but they begin remembering being set in chairs with electroshock, and drugs and hypnosis while they are being given the commands for their jobs or assignments. I believe there is a lot more to be understood and learned about this as more and more survivors are taken as credible sources of information and what they describe having seen in the classified projects is brought to light in that way.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel they also used electricity to make you forget?

Brice Taylor:

In fact a member of the intelligence community who helped me out told me that a stun gun is used, and was used, because they believed it would erase memory twenty minutes on each side of the memory. When an event happened, they would use a stun gun 20 minutes into it in order to erase 20 minutes before the event had happened, and 20 minutes after. They felt confident that would erase the memory; however, I was able to access memory because I became a medicator [meditator?], and I was able to access memory throughout all of it - throughout the electroshock, through the drug barriers - there really was nothing that erased my memory in ways they thought they did. None of their techniques to erase memory was satisfactory. Their techniques have fallen short, and I think that's why there are so many survivors who are remembering.

Wayne Morris:

When you were remembering this, particularly the electricity, was it conscious memory, or did it come back as more body memories, how did the memories appear?

Brice Taylor:

It came back in all ways in every day of my waking hour. I really had probably ten years of my life (once I began healing) that was not my own either because I was so busy remembering, and documenting through writing what I was remembering. The memories came through - things in the environment would trigger me. I would see something and it would remind me subconsciously and I would have a feeling, and I would follow that feeling and that memory back into my own mind. The memory would just be there. I had flashbacks - where, during the flashback state - information and experiences are very clear, and very vivid, and seem as if they are happening even that moment - things that have happened 10, 20 years ago. I recovered memory a lot through the flashback state and basically I kept a journal with me at all times. Anything that reminded me or triggered me or made me feel funny, I wrote about it. Over time all these bits and pieces of information that I wrote about all fell into line, even the ages I was versus the ages presidents were when they were in office. Everything all fit together in a puzzle, a perfect picture, that I couldn't have created if I had tried to.

Wayne Morris:

You mentioned the more sophisticated technology, particularly at NASA, and some of the military bases. Can you describe that, and what effect they were trying to have on you?

Brice Taylor:

A lot of that was being sat in a chair that looked like the NASA space chairs, where I would be strapped in. A lot of the equipment that I imagine was used by the astronauts was used on me. A lot of the spinning, the weightlessness, being put into sensory deprivation tanks. Being subjected to a lot of the light and sound along with electroshock. A lot of that where I was being delivered information like, I would have on headphones and in one ear I would be hearing one sound and in the other I would be hearing other sounds. I was programmed with tones, so a tone on a phone would have a specific meaning that would be subliminally and subconsciously connected with a command. When I was initially healing, when I would try and dial the phone, I would hit the numbers and hear the tones in my ear, it would scramble me and I couldn't think straight. I couldn't function. It was a matter of going back and consciously realizing that these tones were connected to commands that I no longer needed to follow and it took several years for that not to affect me. It still affects me; however, the equipment they used oftentimes in the auditory was using one sound in one ear, and one sound in the other which confuses the conscious mind and sends a message straight into the unconscious which is a very powerful way of controlling a person.

Wayne Morris:

Do you know what kinds of things they deliberately did to prevent you from remembering?

Brice Taylor:

I don't have my diagram with me right now, but off the top of my memory, they gave me programmed commands that should I begin remembering, I would become confused. Should I begin remembering, I would feel tired and fall asleep. Should I begin remembering, I would have migraine headaches. I would have accidents. I would want to kill myself and there were very specific ways to self-injure that I was taught which I had to fight, literally, for a couple of years in order to stay alive to get to the deeper levels of memory. There were endless, endless internal landmines of boobytraps and programming that was intended to kill me or make me feel like I was crazy or insane. Then when you add to that all the people outside - my family that was programmed, the people who I was being perpetrated by, with all of that, it is nearly impossible to begin remembering unless you have a head injury or something happens that really shakes a person up. I also think that the continued trauma to myself, to my husband, to my children was one of the biggest forms of attempting to keep me under control, because the innate mother instinct is very strong and has been one that I have had to logically overcome in order to speak out, knowing that my children will be safer if I spoke out than if I kept silent. There were also phone accesses to codes that would be called, people would say either programmed phrases or set certain numbers on the phone where the phone would then play in my ear. It is endless. A web.

Wayne Morris:

In terms of the actual programming that was done to you, was mainstream culture in any way? You mentioned that you were taken to Disneyland ...

Brice Taylor:

I was programmed with all the regular fantasy that children go through. I saw the Disney films and was heavily programmed to all of them - The Parent Trap, with the twin sisters - that was my base programming for my twin sister programming which was the high level programming that was used in the government to keep me from knowing what my internal twin sister who was actually involved with the elite families and the government was doing. I was shown lots of movies that had very profound programming - not that the movies were programs - but the way they were used was. The film, Lost Horizons, I was programmed to be ageless unless I left. That's the theme of the film - when you leave you start aging. I had a lot of programs where they won't age as long as they stay in. The books and films, it was one tool of programming after another - and they were all mainstream.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that films that are currently coming out are still being used for programming?

Brice Taylor:

Yes I do, and at a higher level. I think if people continue to ignore the profound and deep effect of what children receive as visual and auditory images in childhood - the effect it has on their entire psyche and the framework for which they set up belief systems. Even if they are not programming, for the rest of their lives we need to be mindful of what children are seeing and I think people have yet to look at how serious the havoc that is being wreaked on children really is. If people look with the eyes of a child to the Disney films and to a lot of the things children are watching on television and in movies, it is horrific.

Wayne Morris:

Was music used at all in your experience?

Brice Taylor:

I was even programmed with music to fall in love with my husband. The songs were linked with my emotions in order to initiate a state of feeling that I was in love. I watched as years went by that the music was played to me at very important times when I was to be used for something. I also was used within the entertainment industry and saw how some of the current and very famous and powerful musicians were programmed, and their music and certain phrases were encoded. Oftentimes, I even delivered programmed phrases from the elite to these entertainers, and delivered the words or the phrases they were to say during their performances when they were live and on stage. I believe that a lot of people were programmed to want to be with these people, or to revere them, or get hysterical, see them all the time, idolize them so that they would continue to return to these mass performances for their own programming. It was a way of keeping groups intact that were already programmed so they could be controlled.

Wayne Morris:

About your book. What motivated you initially to write about your experiences, and why did you choose to write it as a fictional work?

Brice Taylor:

I was trying to stay alive. I was running from place to place, from state to state, all by myself. Dr. Catherine Gould recommended that I stay in contact with her and Ted Gunderson, who is a retired FBI agent who has been helping survivors and basically I was trying to stay alive and to be able to explain to people what was going on in order to keep myself and my children safe. And I was trying to help other survivors so they could see and perhaps it would ease their feeling of being alone and feeling crazy, much in the same way that Lauren Stratford's, Satan's Underground, after I had a bunch of my memories, had been something that helped me realize that I wasn't alone and I wasn't crazy.

Wayne Morris:

Did you feel that the book served as a kind of insurance policy for you as well?

Brice Taylor:

Absolutely. It continues to ... in ways that ... a member of the intelligence community told me ... I explained I had written the book and gotten it out all over along with my actual memories, naming the names, dates and places in a letter stating that if anything happened to me or my children, that this information was to be made bigger and that the people that had my information who were public already with this issue were to take it out wider and then ... what ended up happening was it created a huge safety-net for myself and my children.

Wayne Morris:

I was going to ask why you chose not to name the names, but I think you just answered that.

Brice Taylor:

Initially I made it under Catherine Gould's recommendation in order to stay alive. Also to make the problem understood in a more simple fashion by the general public. People really had a hard time back in those days hearing the names that I was naming who they thought as their national icons or heroes as doing this horrific torture to myself and my children. I felt it was a way, in a very simple way, to help people to understand what was going on.

Wayne Morris:

Can you tell us just in a general sense what kind of entertainers were involved, and politicians?

Brice Taylor:

World class, internationally known comedian, actually my owner was an internationally renowned comedian. World leaders, Presidents, Judges, lawyers, politicians at all levels, famous entertainers and musicians, ministers, dentists, doctors - I mean, the list goes on and on and on. It was my experience that there are world leaders and entertainers in Hollywood and all over who are themselves programmed, and are in need of healing.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that these entertainers had intelligence connections as well?

Brice Taylor:

That I have no way of knowing that. But I would say there were some types of intelligence - I don't know actually what the connection was - whether it was actually our intelligence communities or what. But I would often be escorted to a very famous person's home that was an entertainer, by two men in suits and a black sedan to deliver programming. So yes, I would say it was some sort of intelligence.

Wayne Morris:

How well distributed is your book, "Starshine", and how can people get a hold of it?

Brice Taylor:

Right now I can give you my PO Box that people can order it from, and that's to just write a cheque to Brice Taylor Trust, PO Box 655 Landrum, S. Carolina 29356 and I also have another book called "Revivication" which is a gentle alternative method of memory retrieval process for trauma survivors. Both books together including shipping are $25 U.S. Any bookstores carrying New Leaf Distributor books can be ordered in that manner.

Part II
Wayne Morris:

Do you consider yourself completely free from control by your perpetrators, and have they attempted to reaccess you?

Brice Taylor:

Yes I consider myself absolutely free, and I still receive harassment. Although since I have gotten my book out, it's more on a verbal level, or receiving things in the mail that are attempts to trigger my programming, or like messing with my mail, and things like that.

Wayne Morris:

I would like to go into a bit more detail about the kinds of things you were used by your handlers for?

Brice Taylor:

That's a big one. I was used by a member of the National Security Agency and someone that was oftentimes close to Presidents - I was programmed with what he called "Mind Files" and I had government Mind Files where I was programmed to have perfect photographic recall of documents that I was programmed to read and remember in my head. It was like having a computer brain; a human computer at your access. Along with that, I was also used with these Mind Files in order to be like a postal bank of communication between the elite members who were bringing out the New World Order in order to keep their world plan orchestrated and organized. I was also used as a sex slave to Presidents and foreign leaders and entertainers here and abroad, in order to deliver programmed messages from the elite in order to keep the plan smoothly running and operating.

I was also used on lower levels in my community with money laundering, pornography, prostitution. It was endless.

Wayne Morris:

Do you have memories of the details of the information they were keeping in your Mind Files?

Brice Taylor:

Oh yes, years of it. I spent years documenting everything. It's very classified projects and plans for the New World Order.

Wayne Morris:

Can you tell us in terms of alerting the public about what kinds of things they are planning to bring about this New World Order, and what they envision that this would be?

Brice Taylor:

From what I heard on the inside, in my experience sitting among these so-called elite people, the financial elite - their plan is for a world takeover because they feel that genetically and in every other way physicially, the populations of the earth are inferior - of an inferior genetic strain. What they are attempting to do is to bring down the population through various contrived means - which is a whole other subject all on its own - in order to bring these people to death so that the planet will be left pristine and untouched for their future progeny.

Wayne Morris:

It might be a bit too late for that ...

Brice Taylor:

Yeah. They feel that - and certainly I don't have the most up to date information - survivors who have come out since I did, have more current information of the plan. I am certain they have had to change it and alter it in order to bring it through - they feel that what is their ace in the hole this time, because they have tried this many, many other generations - it's almost like a game of wits of the most intellectual and financial power brokers being able to see what kind of game they can do here on the small minds of the planet - these people are unwitting victims. Even people who aren't under mind control are victims of all this and will be in the future.

What I understood was that they were planning a complete and utter economic collapse of the nations that would make the Depression of 1929 look like child's play and through that, bringing people financially to their knees, they would then come in and control them, and bring in whatever other measures they would want to in the guise of rescue - when it certainly wouldn't be that at all. Personally I would like to put a call out to people who are in any way spiritually connected, knowing that this plan can never be able to be brought about as the people even at the higher levels that are participating, may be participating without knowing what they have been participating in, such as members of the intelligence community who have been compartmentalized in their knowledge of what projects they were participating in. I would certainly put scientists that are inventors in that category. I would put people that are in the Masonic Order that are perhaps at the lower levels and are serving the King at the higher levels without realizing that what they are putting their energy into thinking that they are helping children and people that are in need of help - what they are doing actually is serving the highest levels of evil and corruption and destruction of men, women and children. People need to realize that these people they are serving are turning against their own and that we need to take back our own spiritual power and stay connected spiritually in order to know what to do and how to act, and how to see the truth, and how to discern what lies and propaganda and strategies have been given over the television, over movies with intentional strategies.

I sat with the men who strategized about what thoughts and belief systems they were trying to get people to believe so that they could continue with the plans. Mind control was their ace in the hole this time, because they felt that there couldn't be any mess-ups, and no human frailty or weakness of mind or conscience if people were under mind control.

So I would just ask people to please open their eyes, and to begin to not just take what they see that is given out by the government and the intelligence community as truth and reality, but to begin to question and think on their own.

Wayne Morris:

Specifically how do you think mind control would be used in terms of a takeover implementation?

Brice Taylor:

I think there are people they have in positions of power, not only in the military but in political and religious circles who are themselves under mind control and can be used as puppets to do whatever they are instructed to do from higher up levels. People think that we elect our presidents and I have sat with the people who planned who the presidents were going to be and groomed them, and told them what to do, and what to say, and how to say it, and when to say it, and when not to. And I delivered all kinds of messages of instructions to presidents and world leaders about what to do and what not to do. I watched as people who were good people and weren't involved were manipulated, brainwashed and controlled by persons like myself who were programmed, dressed in jewels and beautiful clothes, with all the fancy and sophisticated sexual innuendoes and techniques that I myself, my daughter, others were programmed to do and go in and just -- if these men were at all able to be coerced they were manipulated and then they were blackmailed. These people who are in positions of power know how to find out and research what people's weaknesses are, whether they are sex, drugs, sexual perversion, financial gain -- they lure them in and once people have been forced and coerced to participate and do the dirty deed - and a lot of times it was filmed, videotaped and documented - and these people who were already in positions of financial, political, whatever power, were then told 'this will be public knowledge and information if you don't go along with us'.

I watched people being coerced at the highest levels at parties of the elite, where cocaine was flowing, drugs, alcohol, whatever anyone wanted - sex with children, whatever - anything they wanted - people were given. It was perversion at the highest level.

Wayne Morris:

When you speak of the global elite, I just finished airing interviews with Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler and they speak of this global elite as being what is known as the Illuminati. Is that your understanding?

Brice Taylor:

Actually I couldn't name it. It was never called that inside, but I will go so far as to say it is some of the old money families ... the reason I don't name names is there are too many of them, number one ... the names aren't going to help us sort out the problem, but the information is. And I was clearly told by a member of White House Intelligence for 29 years that I could tell what happened, but not to name the names. I want my children brought into safety and healing, and I believe that my children's level of healing isn't going to much different than what is going to be needed for some of these people who have been involved at the highest level.

Wayne Morris:

Let me go back to the point about the economy. How specifically do you think they will manipulate the economy to bring it down?

Brice Taylor:

I think we have all lived in an inflated society, not just the government, but we have all been trained to use credit cards, buy on credit, and really we own virtually nothing anymore. If you do a crash on the financial things people have invested in - it's all just a mind game anyway - none of it's real. It cripples the economy. The specific means of how that is to be done I would say probably has fingers and feelers into the IRS, all the world banking systems that are in place, have been for years. If you follow the money, you will find a lot of the answers.

Wayne Morris:

Do you believe there will be, for example, a stock market crash?

Brice Taylor:

I don't like to predict these kinds of things but I would say that is a strategy that in the past I have heard and know has been used in the past. I would feel like I would be disrespectful to people to say that I know that to be sure, but I have certainly heard it. But I have been out for a number of years and things change and strategies change. They alter them as they perhaps are uncovered or being a problem to the plan.

Wayne Morris:

What do you feel that the public can do to thwart their intentions?

Brice Taylor:

I think people need to contact their local politicians and demand information be divulged about the government experiments, the medical, radiation, drug experiments, mind control experiments - all of that. I think as people start learning about the internal structure of the Masonic Order and how the programming is working and how people's brain waves can be altered and messed with, even at a distance ... I think people need to get very instructed and educated about what has gone on. I think people need to begin to simplify their lives ... financially and in all ways in order to be able to take the time to evolve spiritually and see what's really going on and connect deeply. Unfortunately I think people are going to have the opportunity to make a spiritual stand as people were during the times of Nazi Germany where they housed babies and people who were going to be killed due to a sick genetic belief system. I believe that as people are able to really take a stand and understand and help that it will turn things around, but I think a lot has been put into place and it's going to take some time to undo it ... obviously with all the people who are under mind control who need to be healed.

Wayne Morris:

From the global elite perspective, what do they consider threats to their plan?

Brice Taylor:

I think the exposure of the plan would be a threat to their plan ... people being in charge of themselves and understanding that there are projects such as the HAARP project that are altering the frequency of the planet and the minds of the people that are here and demanding that that project be stopped ... stopping the military from being able to hide research and instrumentation and experimentation of weaponry that is oftentimes unable to be seen ... it is invisible but it is damaging to the public and to the world. Demand to know what their tax dollars are being used for ... which, from my perspective, people are paying taxes in order that all this research be done on mind control, on everything else ... and they are paying for their own demise, paying for their own destruction.

They are fuelling the government agencies and the military who have been given such a high priority on this earth for destruction instead of funding education and teaching children how to think and critically analyze, and empowering people. It's all built on a military mind, and bent on destruction, and control, and power.

Wayne Morris:

When you had access to this information, what was their time frame for bringing this about or did this come up?

Brice Taylor:

Within the next couple of years ... the plan was intended to be culminated by the year 2000.

Wayne Morris:

Is there a particular significance to the years 1998 and 1999 in terms of their own occult belief system?

Brice Taylor:

It's a perversion of Christianity, it's a perversion of Christ. Everything that I ever saw was a perversion of everything that is good ...

Wayne Morris:

I have heard a number of survivors talk about "end-time programming", do you have any knowledge of that and what it entails?

Brice Taylor:

I had that too ... I never actually got to what my job was, but I knew that there was a job I was programmed to have and do during those end times. I think that people were programmed and are still programmed to create endless chaos. With the general population being so ignorant about the mind control technology, about how targeted energy can affect brain waves, about all of the higher level technology ... that they are blinded to all of this ... and that's dangerous.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that therapists and other professionals have made any headway to disable this kind of programming?

Brice Taylor:

I think the therapists who have been working diligently in this for years, and I highly honour them. I am very grateful, and I think they have done it a lot, and they have done it against all odds, and at a great sacrifice professionally and in every way. I think that certainly bringing the programming to light and to conscious awareness dismantles much of it, and I think that EEG biofeedback technology is something therapists can use so instead of taking 10-15 years to reintgrate someone with DID, that it can be done within a year or two without so much disruption to the person's functional life.

Wayne Morris:

How long do you think it has taken them to actually program these people to the level they can be used to participate in the plans?

Brice Taylor:

Usually it's the intergenerational abuse, so children that are going to be used on official levels are programmed first and it takes years. I understand that starting in the seventies, children that weren't from intergenerational families began to be programmed in daycare centres which is where you have the McMartin preschool case and all of these cases where the children told what happened, and were either initially believed and the people from the inside came out and said this never happened and had the cases turned around and make the children look not credible.

That's another question I always ask people. As a child when I told, how would I have known about all the sexual stuff unless I had seen it? Adults need to logically think about how a child would ever even conceive of this kind of horror, and yet not just one or two children are coming up with this, but hordes of children from all over the world. People have got to start looking at this logically. This is not just the stupid False Memory Syndrome Foundation -- this is something much bigger. Children have better things to be doing and don't have the ability to create this kind of organized horror ...

Wayne Morris:

You alluded to child prostitution and pornography. How closely is this connected to these global elites and the plans with the New World Order?

Brice Taylor:

From my perspective and experience, I believe the child pornography and prostitution was done for their pleasure and entertainment. My daughter and my son were prostituted, taken to parties where the elite or anybody who wanted to have sex with them was able to go in and have sex with children. I think it is used as an incredible fund-raising ability to bring in large amounts of money underground with child pornography in international markets where it is highly sought after and brings in a lot of money for their operations.

Wayne Morris:

In your opinion, how widespread do you think trafficking in children is going on today?

Brice Taylor:

I think that it's enough that if normal people knew how widespread it was, it would bring them to their knees. It's like Ted Gunderson says, as an ex member of the FBI, in California they knew exactly where all the stolen cars were but no one had any idea about any statistics or any idea about where all the missing children went ...

Wayne Morris:

In your opinion can you estimate how many you think have been programmed, how many are mind control victims?

Brice Taylor:

I never heard or saw a number on the inside. I know there are a lot of people healing, and I get letters from survivors all over the world. A statistic I did hear from a member of the intelligence community one time was for the Presidential model project where women were programmed to sexually service presidents and the elite was 3000 in this country. That would mean there were 3000 women, and then as in my case, my daughter would follow in my footsteps. It's like a pyramid game. As the generations go on, the numbers of people gets larger as the families continue to propagate.

Wayne Morris:

Can you speak to what kind of similarities you see in survivors' accounts, and what geographical areas they are from?

Brice Taylor:

Actually, physically they are from all over the world, so I haven't really seen 'everybody is from California' or 'everybody is from Nevada'. It's not like that. But people do name a lot of the same military bases and I will just say for myself and my daughter were programmed heavily at Point ______ Naval Base where they had dolphin tanks in research, and there were places at Edwards Air Force Base and all sorts of different locations. But I think our commonalities are that we are all naming either major medical hospitals where arms of different medical research projects were done, or military bases, or NASA stations ... it's an organized pictures. It's not just some little satanic cult operating here and there. It's all very organized.

Wayne Morris:

Have the people you have spoken to had similar experiences in terms of starting from an early age, and being exposed to these satanic rituals, abuses and what percentage of people are involved in the government mind control that you have spoken about?

Brice Taylor:

Actually most of the survivors I have met have been used more at local levels, not within the government, but used more at a lower level. However there have been ten or twelve other Presidential models that I have met. I have met women who come up to me and are afraid to give me much of their story, but will say so-and-so was also my abuser, or they remember the same man. A lot of my validation has come from not naming the names and for many of these women who are so frightened and have never read my book and they find me out in the hall, and corner me, and name the names and oftentimes they are some of the high level perpetrators that were also my abusers. I quietly validate them and they go off and heal knowing they are not crazy.

Wayne Morris:

I want to also to talk about the criminal connection to other organized crime, and particularly trafficking in children, and I wondered if you could shed any information about what you have been exposed to.

Brice Taylor:

As far as the criminal connection, my memories and my experiences as a child were heavily Mob involved as well as CIA and government, different medical universities and military bases that were used.

As far as that criminal activity, how it all weaves in, I believe is just as ___ that are used in order to benefit from the child trafficking and is able to use these children and certainly the pornography and prostitution, and to bring in other children -- there's a place in my book where I talk aobut how I was used under mind control to enlist other children into an automobile in California. These were children, as far as I was aware as a child, that probably did not have the background or programming, or had not even been abused, that were kidnapped off the street and enticed with the use of another child to bring them in. And then once they were in the car they were trapped and I watched as they were used in pornography and were used in snuff films in which they were actually killed during the filming, and then were disposed of in whatever manner. Certainly this type of what some of these sick and sadistic people think of as entertainment that feeds their own perversions and their own sick senses, is what has really brought in a large financial base. This has been exposed by other women who have talked about the funds being used for black operations, CIA government mind control, different medical experiments that were being done. This is where a lot of the funding for these activities comes from.

Wayne Morris:

These tie in with the criminal activities such as (as you mentioned) child pornography, prostitution, drug trafficking. How widespread, in your opinion, is trafficking in children?

Brice Taylor:

I think it is very widespread, and I can think that the public has been seriously fooled by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and a lot of the media that has gone on saying that all these cases that have come up with the preschools and the different agencies around the country where children are coming forward and telling what happened to them -- that does include pornography. Statements are being made in sexual ways and certainly about abuse in the child's mind, and they are being discredited. And I believe the children are telling the truth. They are saying the same things that happened to me and lot of other women across the country. And we are certainly being discredited by the media. From what I understand and from the first persona accounts I hear, the people who are my age and go back even older and younger are talking about the amount of children in preschools that have been programmed, that may have not been in a generational ritual abuse ties, but who have been programmed and used in the pornography and prostitution in order to create great avenues of funding. I think that combined with kids who are found missing of the street and kidnapped in an attempt to use them as a means of funding - all of this horror continues to go unchecked by the public population that finds all of this so incredulous - that they don't even believe it. So here we have survivors and children who are also revictimized by a disbelieving public and oftentimes uninformed mental health and church system who are unable to believe that this kind of atrocity has gone on, so they are unable to come to these children's aid or to the adult survivors who are attempting to find avenues of relief and help in order to stop this and help themselves.

Wayne Morris:

It really seems that their biggest coverup for all of these atrocities is the public's disbelief.

Brice Taylor:

Walter Bowart who wrote "Operation Mind Control" has a blurb in his book that says the big secrets are protected by their incredulity. And certainly I believe that those who strategized this plan were very well aware that when all of us started talking about these things that just like in Nazi Germany - people still today believe that a lot of those horrors didn't happen - that people will turn away and deny what really happened because it is so horrific and incredulous.

Wayne Morris:

Speaking of Nazi Germany, there have been a number of allegations that there has been Nazi involvement, particularly in regard to Project Paperclip, of importing Nazis after WWII into the United States. Have you come across any Nazi connections in your experience?

Brice Taylor:

Yes I have, and just to enlarge and expand a little bit on Project Paperclip, Linda Hunt wrote a book about this in which she explained that Mark Phillips who was an intelligence officer and he personally told me that he was part of bringing in some of these Nazi doctors - bringing them into our country and giving them immunity - that he was unaware at the time of the full ramifications of what these people were doing within our country. Right there is the Nazi connection of how these men who were a lot of the scientists and doctors who had used the population of prisoners in the concentration camps as their unwitting and unwilling and suffering people as their population of research and how then they were brought to our country and put into the major universities and research centers in order to further their research mind control and were given over to the population of ritual abuse survivors in order to have now another group to experiment on of which certainly myself and my children were a part of that - but also included genetic experiments that were done to me and to my children. As far as the Nazi connections that I am aware of in my past, I am aware of my mother telling me my father went to some neo nazi meeting along with my grandmother when I was just a little girl. I know that in a lot of my recovery work the symbol that I kept drawing over and over was the swastika, the Nazi symbol. I saw that symbol as a child at some of the satanic ritual ceremonies that were done to me and others and certainly I believe that is a very large part of all of this. As society continues to want to even put Nazi Germany and the horrors of those people that suffered in the concetration camps under the rug and not look at it - it continues to proliferate here - even within our country - as these people are still getting away with doing the human experimentation and torturing people today.

Wayne Morris:

Do you feel that the experiments that were done in the Nazi concentration camps during the holocaust were for the purposes of developing mind control?

Brice Taylor:

Definitely. In fact last year I went to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. and saw their pictures of the actual brain experimentation and a lot of the research that was done, and it's all there for people that have the eyes to see - that this absolutely was experimentation - there are pictures of people being experimented on.

Wayne Morris:

Do you have, in your experience - did you come across Josef Mengele in the United States? A number of survivors of mind control have named him as being involved in their abuse in the U.S. post WWII era - was that part of your experience?

Brice Taylor:

No actually, it wasn't but there were doctors at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute who very instrumental in my programming and where I reported to oftentimes by myself as a result of responding to my programmed instructions to report there and where my programming was checked in on, and made into whatever the needs were at the time. There were doctors all over the country that I reported to in various military installations and certainly UCLA.

Wayne Morris:

A number of people I have interviewed have talked about the occult ideology of these groups that are responsible for perpetrating mind control. What do you think the significance of that is?

Brice Taylor:

I think that historically now - I have been able now to read back and to understand that the occult plans for this New World Order go back generations and were built on very heavily with what seemingly looks like religious ideology. I believe that the occult belief system and the evilness of that and the destructiveness, and certainly interlaced with superstitious belief is what continues to allow these things to proliferate as people's belief systems. They belief these perversions give them the power to take it forward into these times. I think that it's like for the satanists to believe that these satanic rituals and all of the perversions that are done during these rituals allow them in their belief system to believe they are gaining power by doing all these horrors and stealing energy from children and babies, in all of the different ways they are killing. It allows them to continue on. Until these belief systems are cleaned up and until people (the good people on the planet) are able to weave through their own denial that this level of atrocity could still be going on today, I think that's where the problem lies. It's until the people who are perpetrating this occultic belief meet up with the denial of people, even Christians, who can't believe this and say they are frightened by it, and don't want to deal with it - it's my experience in watching that if people do nothing that the children continue to be tortured and abused.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think this ties in in a general sense with these groups that have been using mind control in their motivation towards more and more power and wealth? I could ask, "Don't these old money power groups have enough money already?" What is motivating them to perpetuate these atrocities?

Brice Taylor:

What I saw from the inside sitting in a group of these men who were strategizing - it's almost like some of these people are so unbalanced intellectually - certainly fuelled by whatever horrific abusive, unloving, uncaring systems they may have come from - that they view and believe very strongly in the intellect and not feelings or any kind of caring or love or anything like that. They more or less look at this as a game of their intellect - like a group of powerful men sitting in a room thinking up strategies of how they might be able to control the world and what benefits they might be able to have. From what I saw, it seemed like it was a big game to them and in fact they used with me - and part of my programming was a chess game where they used different pieces of that chess game to represent different world leaders and this was how the game was played, and it was all used in a very symbolic way. I believe these people are very intelligent and are able to strategize and come up with a plan but it's almost as if the stakes have to get raised higher, just like in a poker game, of who could control who and how successful they would be in seeing how they could control the minds of the entire planet.

Wayne Morris:

I want to ask you if you are aware of any direct government ties to some of the satanic cults that seem to have proliferated across North America and a lot of survivors have come forward with their accounts of these cults. I suppose there are a lot of different levels there in terms of their involvement with the overall government mind control picture. I want to ask if you knew of any direct government ties to some of these cults.

Brice Taylor:

The government ties to the cults are the politicians that I believe have realized and are very aware that people in the cults, especially in the satanic cults where they are born and have multiple personality systems from the abuse in the family, are certainly prime candidates because of their dissociative abilities and inability to stay present in a unified, whole way with their minds to even know what's going on. I believe that through the politicians and through the military - the bases were used with a lot of the equipment for the mind control and certainly used as a way to cover up these experiments by saying they were military projects. There is a base in California, Point Magoo Naval Base on the coast there, it was real close to my house where myself and my children reported. That base was until recently armed with a man with a gun in the tower. You want to ask people what - in my recovery I wanted to ask people, "why would you think that a military base here in California on the coast would need to have men with submachine guns standing up in the guard tower?" I believe that the military was used as a branch of the government in order to house these projects in a way they could be kept secret from the public and yet here the public is paying taxes and actually funding these research projects in ways that they have no idea where their money is going. People are only beginning to demand to know about these secret projects through the Freedom of Information Act. I think the government ties are very strong. There are certain individuals within the government who have certainly been a part of this New World Order plan. From what I saw with the presidents all being involved with their Masonic connections, and certainly some of them with higher Masonic connections than others. The mind control technology is hidden at the level of the 33 degree Masons. I believe this branches out to a lot of top hierarchy of a lot of organizations and not just the government - but also into the major corporations of the world where a lot of the corporate heads have been manipulated into this system. Where there is talent, money, power and control the secrecy has worked its way in.

Wayne Morris:

Do you have any inside information about their control over the media and connections there, in how they manipulate the media?

Brice Taylor:

Absolutely. I was amongst them when they were planning in the late 60's and 70's when they were planning strategies of how the information would go into the newspapers and I listened as they talked about some of the major families who owned some of the newspapers, and how through owning a lot of the major media, which I believe now is pretty complete if people were able to look back and trace the histories of a lot of the media, they would be able to see that this is all pretty much locked up and these things are censored when any of these subjects begin to work their way into the media. I know one intelligence officer told me there was a Russian intelligence officer who was being interviewed on television and they asked him a question and he said "the Americans have won the war of the mind" and they whisked him off the air and he never even showed back up - that was it - it never went any farther. I believe the media is in a large coverup right now and people are listening, and hearing a lot of stories that have been strategized in an attempt to have them believe what these people want them to believe instead of actually getting the truth of what has gone on.

Wayne Morris:

The media is currently creating a lot of furor over this latest Clinton scandal. I wondered if you could comment on that and if there is any indications that any of these women who are coming forward have been used like you have been?

Brice Taylor:

As a Presidential model, and speaking on behalf of other Presidential models and women I have spoken to within the last week or so - we all feel quite a victory that his reputation is being challenged - and that the truth is being brought forth. I would like to commend Paula Jones and even stand with her as knowing this is a reality, and this man needs to be stopped in his sexual perversions. I would say that personally for me, I was devastated when he was re-elected and I should and do try to remind myself all the time that the Presidents aren't really elected but I think it is going to take the Americans of the world to take back this country, and to really research and find out what is going on and to stop it and to realize that our leaders, even if they are not in control with themselves, may have an agenda here that is not for the good of the whole.

Wayne Morris:

Do you think the scandal may have possibly been engineered against Clinton by another power group - with not good intentions either?

Brice Taylor:

I have no way of knowing that. I think this man has perpetrated more horror to women on this planet, as well as a lot of the violence that has gone on - that continuous attempts for it to be leaked out to alternative media sources and the American public still is so - I don't know if they are so busy trying to earn a living for their families that they don't have time to research what their leaders are doing. It seems like up until now people have been pretty shortsighted. There are and have to be good people within the White House and within the intelligence community who may not know what is going on, and don't understand the mind control or the levels of how it has been used to manipulate and certainly may be behind some of these scandals, or allowing them to leak at least some of the truth to the press. I think it's a wonderful thing that at least our President is being called into check about some of the allegations that are made repeatedly against him as far as his sexuality and adultery, and all the perversions that follow it.

Wayne Morris:

In your experience, is Clinton any different than any other presidents in that regard?

Brice Taylor:

No.

Wayne Morris:

What do you feel is necessary to bring all of this into more public limelight to expose these atrocities?

Brice Taylor:

I think it is going to take a lot of education for people, and I think it is going to take the public waking up and coming out of denial about the level of evil that people are able to perpetrate on other people. I think people are going to need to take the survivor accounts into a belief arena in order to stop what has gone on because everybody is going to be a victim of this. Certainly the victims of mind control have suffered immensely through years of torture and trauma, but society also is a victim of this because until people are reintegrated and deprogrammed they are a threat to peace in society. As people well know, the programming that was done was not as effective and able to control people as they thought and as people break down their programming. It's a problem for society as people become violent. We find children who are killing their parents; we find that behind that is satanic abuse but it's not allowed into the court system and the reality of this has been covered up in so many different ways that the public isn't getting the truth of what is really happening?

Wayne Morris:

What plans do you and other survivors have of bringing this into more of a public view?

Brice Taylor:

Well certainly Wayne, I speak out whenever I have a chance whether it be radio, tv, workshops, conferences - I speak out all over the nation and that is certainly one avenue of giving out information. Writing books, and I encourage other survivors to write what happened to them and get it out. I think that another Presidential Commission needs to be brought where a greater number of women are able to come forward with their stories to stand with Valerie Wolf and her survivor clients who were so courageous and stepped forward and opened the door on the mind control experiments. I think it is going to take a grassroots movement of women who have been through this to expose it and stop it. I think that will be a very powerful avenue.

Wayne Morris:

Brice, I would like to thank you very much for joining us in this radio series. I know it took a lot of courage to come forward as you have, and I wish you all the strength in your ongoing struggle to bring this to light.

Brice Taylor:

Thank you Wayne. I really appreciate the opportunity of sharing my story with you.

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related:

BOOK EXCERPTS: Confessions of a WHITE HOUSE SEX SLAVE, '81-'88 [CIA/DIA MKULTRA trauma mind control]
author: Cathy O'Brien

Outside of Brice Taylor, the world's only other escaped MK-ULTRA Project Monarch mind control slave, Cathy O'Brien, who lived to tell about it. You will find below an eyewitness to high crimes including the following: federal governmental drug trade organization, ethnic biowarfare, and global government networks in Canada, Mexico, Haiti, Saudi Arabia, the United States, the UN, the Dominicans, the CIA, the United States legislature, judicial, and executive branches, and the Vatican --- particularly active in select US states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Alabama, Vermont, and Tennessee. Ethnic bioweapons testing in Haiti for racial war and Catholic holy war purposes, US plague delivered in communion wafers, see Iran-Contra and NAFTA from the inside; see Reagan, Bush Senior, George W. Bush, Cheney, Habib, de la Madrid, Salinas, Trudeau, Mulroney, King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, Baby Doc Duvalier of Haiti, Senator Byrd (D-West Virginia), Arlen Spector, Gerald Ford, Senator Leahy (D-Vermont), Bill and Hillary Clinton, Alan Cranston, Governor Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Governor Blanchard of Michigan--all using these MK ULTRA sex slaves regularly; see Bohemian Grove details; many more users: Guy VanderJagt, former Governor of Pennsylvania Dick Thornburgh, Congressman Jim Trafficant, Congressman Gary Ackerman, and much more.

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Taylor, Brice
Thanks for the Memories - The Truth Has Set Me Free!
Brice Taylor Trust, Landrum, SC, 1999; 8-1/2 x 11 spiral-bound softcover; 378p; very small light stain at right edge of cover, cover protected by clear plastic, VG cond. The subtitle says it all: The memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's mind-controlled slave - Used as a presidential sex toy and personal 'mind file' computer. One of the most bizarre mind control/Satanic ritual abuse/conspiracy books you will ever read. All the details of an escaped sex slave's xxx-rated escapades with the likes of Bob Hope, Henry Kissinger, Ronald Reagan, LBJ, Gerald Ford, JFK, James Taylor & countless celebrities & politicians. Chapters on: Manufacturing the Mind Controlled Slave; The Creation of a Human Robot; Brain Surgery Takes Away My Father's Free Will Mind; Parties at the Rockefellers; JFK & the Sex Shuttle; The Rat Pack; They Stole My Baby; much more. Scarce. ISBN:0966891627 Bookseller Inventory #2820


Editorial Reviews

Leonard Horowitz, DMD, MA, MPH, Author, Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola, Nature, Accident or Intentional?, Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse

"A shocking personal surreal testimony exposing a level of mind manipulation, psychological trauma, institutionalized evil, and covert madness."


David Icke, Author, The Biggest Secret, Robots' Rebellion, And the Truth Shall Set You Free

"... through the courage of people like Brice Taylor ... this vital information is being exposed"

Book Description

This amazing autobiographical account of Brice Taylor's personal experience, reveals the hidden purpose behind the ritual abuse and mind control that is being reported around the world! It shares her recollections of being conditioned through childhood in order to be used by Bob Hope and Henry Kissinger, as a mind-controlled slave into adulthood... and used as a presidential sex toy and personal "mind file" computer by high ranking individuals around the world to further the agenda of the New World Order. This book will help you navigate your way through the treacherous times we now face in the 21st Century. Don't be left in the dark. Buy this book and share it with your friends, quickly. There is no time to lose!


Thanks for your sacrifice!, July 29, 2003
Reviewer: Don from Texas

I am a personal friend of the author and she risked her life to publish this book. She used credit cards to pay for its publication and did so willingly without any forethought as to making a profit. Her vision was to keep the price of the book as low as possible to make its information available to as many people as possible. She has given freely of her time and resources to help those trapped in "mind-control hell" because God had mercy on her. Brice's desire is for people to read the book and use its information to diminish suffering. We can defeat this wicked system together! Scalping copies of "Thanks For the Memories" is not in keeping the Spiritual motivation behind her sacrificial gift. Please show compassion for your fellow man by helping to get the word out. Educate yourselves by reading "Thanks For The Memories". ACT JUDICIOUSLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR NEWFOUND KNOWLEDGE and you can personally make a difference in the lives of those who are powerless to help themselves. Knowing the extreme cost Brice has paid to help all of us I would like to say to her, "Thanks For Your Sacrifice!"

Don




Brice Taylor Exposes the Mind Control Underworld!, July 12, 2001
Reviewer: subtlet from Roswell, New Mexico

Brice Taylor's brutally honest memoir is fascinating, heartbreaking, and at times humorous. As a former CIA operative, I can verify that she is indeed telling the truth; all of her anecdotes are right on the money!

I am familiar with her case and am suprised she has left out Janet Reno and Nancy Regan's involvement because she has irrefutable proof of it. Janet Reno stained a blue dress of hers with her own DNA and Nancy Regan is shown on video directing Brice's gang bang by the members of OPEC in 1980.

Even with these glaring omissions, Ms. Taylor has written a compelling book! A must read! Her experiences in Roswell will blow your mind!




No doubt in my mind, February 27, 2004
Reviewer: A reader from Timbuktoo

The other day I went to have a medical procedure done where I needed to be sedated - basically a routine colonoscopy. The drug I was given allowed me to remain concious, but sedated, and then gave me total amnesia of everything that occurred during the procedure.

The last thing that I remember was being injected with this drug and asking the doctor "What exactly am I going to forget?" - he said "Everything from this point on." In other words, everything that happened while the drug was "in charge".

I was told that I was awake during the procedure, that I asked questions, that I was told what to do and did so. I have absolutely no memory of any of this.

Many of us have seen TV hypnotists who could easily take audience members and have them thinking and acting as if they were giraffes, clowns, or Elvis.

Given the fact that these types of mind manipulations happen in everyday life, why is it so far fetched to some people that this could occur on a massive and organized basis by the super rich sociopaths in charge of our lives and country? As for rich socioipaths, just read any of Eustace Mullins' or Antony Sutton's books to see what I'm talking about. Don't believe in mind control? Didn't you know that Congress has had hearings on MK Ultra (MK being cryptic for mind control). It's in the Congressional Record - all you need to do is look it up and get yourself educated - and by the way - get a couple of books on HAARP while you're at it. After you're through with that, get a copy of "The Franklin Coverup". Did you know that Paul Bonacci, a victim of mind control, was able to successfully sue his abusers for $1 million? In my opinion, he should have gotten a lot more.

This book is too overtly detailed and rings too true to be a fabrication. I have always wondered why Bob Hope became such a huge success in spite of being, in my opinion, extremely unfunny. This explains it beautifully. It also explains a little of why Michael Jackson and the Jackson family appears to be such a mess. And it also brings up other questions about others in entertainment and politics who appear to be under some kind of spell - Liza Minelli for one comes to mind. Is David Guest her handler?

It obviously took Ms. Taylor a great deal of courage to write this book - I applaud her for it.



Extremely moving and well documented!, March 5, 2003
Reviewer: A reader from East Coast

First I would like to ask that you carry this book which I purchased from Brice Taylor Trust. The detail in this book and documentation is proof of this atrocity that has been going on for many years. I am outraged that we as taxpayers are funding Black Operations like MKULTRA which involves child abuse and mind control human slave programs. Our leaders are not who they appear!!




SKEPTIC BELIEVES THIS IS TRUE !, December 30, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from United States

Some of the information here seems very hard to believe, at first. Actually, I think I just did not want to believe such evil existed in my government. But then, I remember a similar story being told in a book by Cathy O'Brien and Mark Philips. I recently heard another similar story on Coast to Coast am radio(ArtBell) by a Zech Daniels.
The thing that most convinces me is that, over 20 years ago, a favorite talk show host, Candy Jones, wrote her story in a book about similar government experiments being done on her. I had listened to Ms.Jones over many years and had always found her level-headed and pragmatic in her approach to life. I do not believe that she had this rich fantasy life to manufacture such 'wild' claims.
Mr. Daniels, on the radio, seemed so, well, embarrassed to tell such a story - a feeling a 'normal' person would have if he felt that he must relate such a story to strangers and knew how they might judge him for that would have been his attitude in their stead.
No, I do truly believe MsTaylor and the shame goes to the government officials who allow this to continue.
Some of the scenerios are repeated ad infinatum with differing persons and the book really could be shortened a bit just for the sake of better readability.
My fervent prayers go for MsTaylor and all of those who are innocent victims of the crueler operatives of the once great US government.
It is, indeed, ironic to hear the media debating on whether we should torture those who we capture in battle; while knowing that this is the very way in which we treat some of our own citizens.


The best book ever., November 29, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from USA

This is a must read! Every thing we think our country is, it is not. Brice Taylor names many people in her book. We as Americans need to be informed and see what goes on behind the scenes. It is time for all of us to wake up.
Some of the people in her book I thought were great Americans now I think they have put on a fake front. Get this book.



Makes Sense to Me, June 26, 2001
Reviewer: A reader from Derry, New Hampshire United States

Amazing! But believable. Isn't it every man's fantasy to have a ... slave. I could not give it 5 stars because the Biblical quotes were a bit too much. I admire Brice's courage in telling her story. It is unfortunate that she did not have a proofreader for her book as there are a lot of grammatical errors which are somewhat annoying. Nevertheless, it's an interesting read all right.



Thank God for Brice Taylor !!!, March 1, 2001
Reviewer: Tom Kupcek from Illinois, USA

This book is clearly one of the most revealing autobiographical accounts of the 20th Century. As a survivor of decades of unspeakable abuse, Brice Taylor shares the horrific details of her unusual life among the powerful and famous with astonishing clarity, insight and even humor. After repressing countless trauma-based mind control tortures she had endured in order to shatter her psyche and condition her for use as a secret operative leading a 'double life,' the amnesiac parts of Brice that held these memories finally emerged from deep within herself to chronicle, like a modern-day Anne Frank, surely one of the darkest episodes in America's history. Her experiences make the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal seem by comparison like the farcical sideshow it was.

Brice Taylor describes exactly what mind control techniques were used on her (including electric shock, drugs, sensory and sleep deprivation, hypnosis, starvation, brainwashing and virtual reality equipment, torture, and sexual abuse) and names specific locations where this was done. Her experience builds upon the documented, declassified government mind control projects that were sponsored by the CIA and other such agencies for over 25 years, such as MKULTRA, MKDELTA, MKSEARCH, BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE, all exposed over two decades ago during 1977 Senate Hearings. Quoting from an article in U.S. News & World Report (1/24/94), her book points out that these mind control projects were conducted on a "vast" scale throughout the U.S. The CIA's behavior modification Project MKULTRA alone consisted of 149 subprojects and, according to CIA Director Stansfield Turner, was carried out at 80 institutions, including 44 colleges and universities, 15 research facilities or private companies, 12 hospitals or clinics, and 3 prisons. These projects remained classified and therefore invisible to the American public for more than two decades. Only the incredibly naive could believe that such programs no longer exist in secrecy today.

Walter Bowart, a pre-eminent authority and author of the book, Operation Mind Control (1978), wrote the Forward to Brice Taylor's book and further investigated the Senate revelations about the large-scale government mind control program. What he found runs counter to the ignorant claims that total mind control of an individual is impossible. In fact, his 1978 book supports Brice Taylor's experience by revealing that the objective of the government program was to "take human beings, both citizens of the United States and citizens of friendly and unfriendly countries, and transform them into unthinking, subconsciously programmed 'zombies,' motivated without their knowledge and against their wills to perform in a variety of ways in which they would not otherwise willingly perform... and involved techniques of hypnosis, narco-hypnosis, electronic brain stimulation, behavioral effects of ultrasonic, microwave, and low frequency sound, aversive and other behavior modification -- in fact there was virtually no aspect of human behavioral control that was not explored in a search for the means to control the memory and will of both individual and whole masses of people..."

Brice Taylor's book eludes to the existence of a secret program, known as MONARCH, that utilizes hypno-programmed 'slaves' like Brice Taylor to, among other things (such as memorize documents photographically and act as a human tape recorder or computer at high-level meetings), sexually service politicians, including U.S. Presidents, and dignitaries as their 'perk' or 'fringe benefit,' supposedly for the purpose of protecting the immoral needs of such officials from outside sources of venereal disease and 'Lewinskyesque scandals' (but in reality for purposes of blackmail and subliminal control over them by their hidden puppetmasters).

In fact, Brice Taylor's book details how this secret program was implemented, based on her own experience with it as one of its secret 'operatives.'

Yes folks, on the surface what Brice Taylor describes in shocking detail is almost beyond belief, but once the reader absorbs the fact that her experience is part of an intentional program (paid for by your tax dollars) to ultimately control our nation's highest officials, it all makes perfect sense. Her allegations have been corroborated by others and its theme is well-known among healing professionals working to help other victims of these unconscionable projects. Two adult survivors of MKULTRA testified about their childhood mind control abuse before the President's Committee on Human Radiation Experiments in 1995.

During her many years in recovery and after her attempts to reveal what happened to her, Brice Taylor received and survived many death threats.

And, uniformed or deluded individuals, and those with a 'hidden agenda,' continue to attack her with false allegations and disparaging remarks, in an attempt to prevent this information from achieving wider distribution.

Years ago, the Pandora's box of mind control was opened and the atrocities descibed in Brice Taylor's book are now escalating worldwide as the black market for robotic humans (spies, patsies, assassins, informants, couriers, recorders, sex slaves) expands and rising dictatorial governments succumb to the corrupting influence of a totalitarian-bent and pedophile-infested global elite. It is high time for the entire spectrum of post-Cold War cryptocrats propogating the madness she describes to sit down for an East-West/Trilateral summit and throw off the yoke of their sick and moneyed global puppetmasters.

Through this book, Brice Taylor offers a precious gift of stunning awareness to those among us who still care about human dignity and freedom!!!



LID BLOWN OFF CIA CRIMINAL ACTIONS, August 2, 2000
Reviewer: John Hammell from Floyd, VA United States

Brice Taylor has more courage than anyone I've ever met. She not only survived CIA MKULTRA Mind Control, but she is risking her life to expose it through her well written book and the lecture circuit. Taylor has a Masters in Psychology and after healing and writing her books, for a time she ran a clinic with a naturopath to assist other MKULTRA survivors to reintegrate and heal but the CIA burned her clinic to the ground, and just to make sure she realized it wasn't an accident, they put 2 bags full of the ashes on the front porch of her home.

They have broken into her home and left "calling cards" to let her know she's under surveillance. The more people who read her book, the safer she will be because if anything ever happened to her it would only lend credence to what she is saying. I have personally met Brice, and have the utmost respect for her struggle. My prayers go out to her and her daughter Kelly who must someday also have a chance to heal. The ruling elite seek to force us all into a psychocivilized society under mind control, and MKULTRA is the prototype for what they'd like to subject us all to. Unless more people read this book and wake up to what is going on in the world, we will all be forced under a satanic world government which clearly has the technology to do to any of us what they did to Brice.

As a person who makes a living in the political arena as a health freedom lobbyist fighting the FDA and their international counterparts on behalf of consumers and the dietary supplement industry, I know more than most what sort of evil corruption exists in our world...Brice Taylor is an immensely credible person and it took tremendous courage for her to write Thanks for the Memories. Please read this book and join me in recommending it to everyone you know.



NO MORE DENIAL!, August 2, 2000
Reviewer: A reader from usa

Depending upon the level of abuse one has endured, this book apparently has it all. Finally, the truth has come out about how our country is run and how those in power get there and what they do to people to stay there. I commend Brice and her therapists for spreading the truth and helping set others free from ritual abuse. A must for any psychotherapist and any minister who counsels with abuse issues.



Yes! Thanks For Your Memories, August 1, 2000
Reviewer: dancingserpentspress from CA.

Brice Taylor has written an incredible and courageous life account of the darkest side of human existence. This book moves the readers out of the "Matrix," upsets their comfort zone, shatters their reality, opens them to the truth of what has been occurring on the planet for a long time and then, simaltaneously, empowers them to seek their own truths, healing and connection to Spirit. We, as therapists, healers and citizens of the world, must understand the facts and implications of world mind control through all the facets that it presents itself, particularly with the information available through the release of the Freedom of Information Act documents. This book is an amazing testimony to a woman who has risked her life over and over to break through the entanglements of complete mind control and present the world with her healing and Truth. I cannot thank her or her memories enough for helping us all to be directed closer to freedom.


From a therapist's perspective, June 19, 2000
Reviewer: Dr. Pamela Monday from Austin, Texas

For 10 years I have had as patients dozens of victims of government mind-control experimentation (Projects Bluebird, Artichoke, Paperclip, Monarch). Brice Taylor outlines in detail some of the methods used to "split" the mind into dissociated parts in order to program the parts to perform a function for the perpetrators without the victim's conscious mind aware of what is happening. This book is for all the skeptics out there who don't believe this is possible. Mind control is about power and greed; control someone's mind and you've got an unpaid labor force for anything you want to do--there are big bucks to be made in child and adult pornography, blackmail, drug and arms running, and controlling information and misinformation to and from powerful people.

Manipulating the human mind is easy to do if you have enough knowledge about human physiology and psychology. That information is easy to obtain if you can learn it through experimentation without informed consent or worry about ethical, humane treatment. "Classified in the interest of National Security" is all that is needed to make sure the public doesn't ever know about the terrible human rights abuses perpetrated in this country with tax dollars.

This book is shocking because Brice Taylor names big names, and we as a culture are terrified of admitting that many of our leaders and people we hold in high regard are corrupt.


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I am very sorry to hear that the mechanisms of the dragon have destroyed so many lives. My question is to the survivors..... If the Illuminati is structuring their organization after the scriptures in the Holy text, there must be true descendants of the Holy Grail and the REAL TRIBES are here on the Earth. Would these survivors know anything about the true Identity of the Holy Seed? As we all know the Devil loses in the end and the Holy Army along with King Jesus will CRUSH the head of the devil. Where are the real descendants of the true KING JESUS? And if the blood of the Illuminati is what plays a part in the passing on of destruction, there must be those blessed with the blood, and gifts of the true God and his ETERNAL KING JESUS.