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Two Bills Now Pending To Bring Back The Draft

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H. R. 163 To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c108:./temp/~c1083Df5vM

S. 89 To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c108:./temp/~c108e4vo5c
"and for other purposes" 26.Mar.2004 12:01

Tony Blair's dog

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They've been pending, in various forms... 26.Mar.2004 12:14

James

...for years. Lots of CongressCritters are duly concerned that our armed forces are comprised primarily of illegal immigrants and poor minorities.

Most of the sponsors of these bills are peaceniks. They hope to persuade the upper and middle classes that war is wrong, by enlisting their sons into the military.

This is nothing new and it's nothing to fret over.

Well "James"... 26.Mar.2004 12:37

Tony Blair's dog

I guess the draft will solve Kerry's 40.000-new-soldiers-to-Iraq
problem in a jiffy then.

so what? 26.Mar.2004 12:52

...

who cares if the draft is reinstituted? it will force the middle class to question the legitimacy of their government when little billy or jane get shipped home in pieces. I'm all for it, personally. if you're of draft age, and don't want to go then don't. if you do, make sure to frag your CO. it's simple, they give you the grenades. just give 'em back.

not a "draft" 26.Mar.2004 13:28

yak

this is NOT a draft. a draft implies randomness to most people. as in "i could get drafted." this "national service" includes everyone 18-26. the difference is enormous to me. under a draft, i COULD, like my father, be forced to serve (fight) if they just happened to pick my birthdate out of a can. my old man spent his 18 birthday on a base in georgia, then the next year in vietnam, just cause of the day he was born.

these two bills, if passed (unlikely IMO), however, would madate a form of serivce, be it army, navy, peace corps, homeland security, that would affect EVERYONE automatically. in a way it is much worse than a draft - it is mandatory (military) service. many countries do this - israel, egypt, etc. and it will be for two years, not one.

check on the status of these bills here: if, and when, they are updated, the link wont work anymore i dont think.

 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00089:@@@X

 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@X

draft coming? nothing could be better 26.Mar.2004 16:53

ed harley

i've said it before and i'll say it again - nothing could be better for the anti-war, anti-imperialist movement than a reinstatement of the draft. when all the soccer moms out in suburbia suddenly get to see their son off to the never-ending iraqi duck hunt instead of college, there's going to be a whole lot of renewed scrutiny of US foreign policy. bring on the draft!!

well, let 'em bring back the draft 26.Mar.2004 17:01

we'll

update FRAGGING 101 and post it on the internet. That should make the draft a lot of fun for everyone,
especially for the draftees...turn it into a GAME!

Just like the Americans 26.Mar.2004 18:25

jlii

To show a poster with jungle camo in a desert war.

what 26.Mar.2004 20:12

are you thinking?

"jlii," the poster is a farce. Look closer before you post.

SSSux 27.Mar.2004 00:43

1A

A feature of the Congress/Senate website is that the link times out, so if it is copied and pasted for others, it won't work. The drill is to go to the home page and enter the bill (H.R. or S.) number you're interested in reading, seeing who the bill's sponsors are, the progress of the bill, etc.

Here's the home page URL:  http://thomas.loc.gov/

After getting the home page, type in "H.R. 163" to see the House version, and "S.89" to see the Senate version.

The two versions appear identical, except that the House version uses the typo "reverse" consistently throughout, where the Senate version uses the word "reserve". I guess that figures, given the "rabble" stereotype of the House in contrast to the "dignified" stereotype attributed to the "Upper House".

Both versions are from members of the Republican left wing: Democrats.

"The common defense" is bullshit doublespeak, since the dominant culture rulers have only really "defended" probably in 1812. The "and for other purposes" is an echo of Ashcroftian/USAPA anti-civil liberties sprawl. The "alternative service" option might just be so much sugar coating to make the military draft portion less stark--unless, maybe, the rulers are anticipating a 1929 type Depression at the same time as waging global mischief--manning a war machine while simultaneously providing public works busy work projects for all of the workers left out as the corporations relocate jobs outside the country.

Well, lets watch this, and get draft counselling, safe harbor and underground RR networks dusted off.

http://thomas.loc.gov/
E. Washington

Don't Register, Don't go 27.Mar.2004 15:45

Luke from DC

I refused to register-you can too. If you want a drivers license, get one in a state that doesn't automaticly register people. otherwise, DON'T get an ID. Forget student aid-it's not worth losing your legs and genitals in Iraq.