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Boxcars with Shackles

I just heard someone say that a friend was building boxcars with shackles welded to the walls for a company with a government contract in Southern Oregon. I did a quick internet search and some articles had reputable looking sources saying that the government has ordered over 100 thousand of these boxcars.
An alleged prison bocar in Montana
An alleged prison bocar in Montana
What's going on? Has this been discussed on Indymedia before but I just missed it? Can someone please point me to more information?

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Here is a website I located and some choice plagerized paragraphs:

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>>> from:  http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_01/droke061801.html

(note: i guess gold-eagle.com reports news related to the steel industry, this isn't some conspiracy website)

Reports from our sources also confirm that railroad boxcars fitted with shackles have been spotted in many locations throughout the U.S. in recent months, most prominently in Montana and Texas (including recent sightings in Ashville, N.C.). A van full of eyewitnesses, missionaries traveling across America recently stumbled across these boxcars in Montana, near Columbia Falls in Glacier. They described boxcars, in this case painted black, with shackles welded into the walls inside the boxcars. Reports from Lee Harrington of Valier, MT, who was a professional metal worker informed us of Glascow, MT, summer youth workers who were employed to weld shackles into boxcars in that operation. They were then shipped west to Glacier and stored on remote sidetracks. Passing through the Blackfoot Indian Reservation in Cutbank, a local Blackfoot Indian, George Bullcalf, spotted these strange boxcars, some with open doors and shackles, plainly visible, passing through the reservation. Interviews conducted in Columbia Falls confirmed that hunters often stumbled upon such boxcars on remote train spurts in that wilderness region.

It has since been learned that Gunderson Steel Fabrication is under secret contract from the U.S. government to produce these prisoner boxcars. The company received an order from the federal government to build 107,200 full length railroad boxcars with the shackles inside. Gunderson has a satellite factory for making the boxcars with shackles in Texas. Interestingly, Gunderson became the launching pad where then-presidential candidate Governor George W. Bush introduced his plan for social security reform on May 16, 2000, a major part of the current president's platform. Apparently, Mr. Bush has some special relation with Gunderson.

Let's see 01.Mar.2004 15:24

Seatac Reader

A picture of these shackles. All I see is an ordinary railcar.

"has this been discussed?" yes, do you have any more information 01.Mar.2004 15:25

more

Coming American Holocaust (police state murder infrastructure in place)BOX CAR DEATH CAMPS
author: Willie Martin

With a seven-inch thick portfolio filled with photographs, news articles, correspondence, etc., Mr. Sea (intentionally anonymous) is a former inspector for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense, with 31 years of federal service in the military, nine with the Department of Defense, including two years with the Air Staff --- holder of the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, three awards of the Joint Service Medal --- spoke of the coming American Holocaust of the Government's plans for dealing with the non-New World Orderites --- infrastructure that has already been set up to incarcerate and execute Americans, and the locations of the facilities...all with photographs --- Mr. Sea: "On August 6, 1994, I toured the Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech Grove, Indianapolis, Indiana. There are at least ten maintenance barns at this facility, covering 129 acres, with two separate fences with the tops leaning inward. The windows of several buildings have been bricked up....There are three helicopter 25-knot aviation wind socks (which aren't the correct ones to use for chemical spills which require 10-knot wind socks). There are high security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high intensity/security lighting for 24-hour operation. The box car (gas chamber) building fence is marked with special 'RED/BLUE Zone' signs [visible in the photo ]. This corresponds to the 'mission' of the RED/BLUE Lists which surfaced in June and July of 1996. Under martial law, this will become a death camp. They're only going to handle category one and two (RED and BLUE) people there. This box car facility will be used for execution.

In June of 1996, an FBI agent got hold of the Region Three BLUE List (from a CIA agent), and found his own name on it, and those of several others he knew in Virginia. The Regional BLUE List stated that the names on the BLUE List would be picked up 'within six weeks of the actual martial law declaration.'

This parallels the Nazi RED/BLUE List policy almost to the letter. The parallel Nazi plan was published by Heinz Hohne in his 1966 book, The Story of the Nazi SS: The Order of the Death's Head.


 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/281672.shtml

How do you know? 01.Mar.2004 15:55

questioner

How do you know that alleged "shackles" aren't simply for securing ordinary freight during transport?
I'm not saying one way or another, I'm just honestly asking the question. Let's see some more photos, close-ups, etc.

I'm very aware that the US has used concentration camps in the past, against Native Americans, and of course the Japanese citizens, and that FEMA has martial law plans that stem from the possibility of catastrophic disruption resulting from a nuclear exchange during the Cold War. So I don't trust the Federal government for a minute. But that doesn't mean that any and all claims are accurate. The recent newswire post about concentration camps, boxcars, etc. was straight out of radical right Christian Identity propaganda, replete with charges that the "internationalists" (which means Jews and their "multiculturalist allies" ie, the "mud races", in the less distilled versions) are using the UN to destroy the US by taking over the government (the ZOA claim).

Transport is needed for the camps already built and documented 01.Mar.2004 16:00

Rex, the dog with a bite

Search up "rex 84" on Google and you will find the info.


get a grip 01.Mar.2004 17:44

weld red

The trouble with articles like this is that they make indymedia less reputable for news you cant get elsewhere.
Gunderson Inc (not Gunderson steel fabrication), a subsidiary of Greenbrier don't build box cars at its Portland plant. In fact they don't even build them in the US, they are built down in its plant in Sahagun, Mexico. The Portland plant mainly builds container cars and barges.
But it is true there is a leased 70 acre repair facility in Cleburne, Texas
The 'shackles' seen are probably the ones that have always been in there, so straps can hold the cargo in place. There are 'dimples' or indents with a piece of steel welded across it so straps can be attached to it. I suppose handcuffs could be attached to it, but so could a bedpost!
To build 107,000 cars would take many years and to be quite honest I doubt any of the half dozen (if that) rail car manufacturers would be capable of building that amount as railroad companies need to replace their aging stock of container and flatbed cars. It would probably take a year to produce a couple of thousand. Boxcars are very labor intensive
The article is absolutely right about Bush coming to the Portland plant, touting his plans for social security to (a carefully selected) group of workers.
Bill Furman the CEO of Greenbrier is a keen backer of Bush and anti union.
Other interesting people on the Greenbrier board are Alan James and Vic Atiyeh.
So sorry folks, no boxcar prisons YET

shackles 01.Mar.2004 18:57

shake-me-when-it's-over

shackles? we don't need no fuckin' shackles...the minds of most americans are already shackled...forced compliance is only necessary when voluntary compliance has failed...this whole boxcar willie-nilly thing is reverse engineered propaganda to keep you in line...urban legend type o' stuff...get in the god damn game, will ya?

Boxcars are turnin' 01.Mar.2004 19:03

REM lover

Thanks for clearing that up,Weld Red. Lies will be added to a kernel of truth to make it more interesting or powerful.


However. It's important to remember(and I believe this with all my heart,unfortunately) that "our" government is quite capable of shackling us into boxcars and taking us to concentration camps. I figure they'll be more on the order of the Japanese internment camps than the Nazi deathcamps(although plenty of people died in the American internment camps).


If resources and food got scarce,they'd probably kill us though.


Oh, and don't doubt that something big IS going to happen soon(next 20 yrs?). I mean,if you slow down and listen, can't you feel it?

nah 01.Mar.2004 19:13

iggi

these rumors -- prison camps, prison cars -- have been circulating for years. i'd be very speculative of anything you find on the internet. that article on gold eagle is written by a bogus author...the link goes to some discount site.

if anything were really going down, we'd know about it. you've already shown that you can't produce boxcars in a public factory without someone leaking the fact.


All Aboard!! 01.Mar.2004 20:56

Lurking

Just like sifi. truth? i know your in there, keep lookin

on physical probablies & peoples sense of political probablies 02.Mar.2004 22:09

me

"if anything were really going down, we'd know about it. you've already shown that you can't produce boxcars in a public factory without someone leaking the fact."

This type of argument falls flat because it is very easy to fool people. I can hear your hytothetical grandfather in Germany saying the same thing: "if they were really outright killing the Jews, we would know about it. Hush. Hush. Hitler is a great man, and so loving to the Germans, such a good Catholic, clean cut, etc..." The same was said in the German 1930s, by the way. Hardly any Germans were aware of the Jewish concentration/death camps. Americans however have the benefit of hindsight--particularly since the whole history of the Bush family has been connected with these escaped Nazi groups from WWII--even down to the same companies. You have the benefit of hindsight. Use it.

All I see here is some rather unsubstantiated comments, when there is a wealth of information. It's the same with 9-11. People are simply afraid to believe it, that the US killed thousands of its citizens to justify killing thousands more elsewhere? We agree that they killed thousands more elsewhere in Iraq and Afghanistan, right? So what is so difficult to think that they are somehow unable to killed thousands more in the USA first? Or anywhere? The issue has nothing to do with physcial probablies, for which there is a lot of evidence, it has to do with people's rather small sense of political probabalities, which are several sizes overly small for the reality that is going down around you. That's all. Besides with the Bush historial money wealth from Nazi sources, cars being shipped in from the 1970s from China (while Bush senior was Ambassador to China, remember), and the recent Bush visits to Gunderson, etc., multiple witnesses all of the North Ameican continent, it seems that even when these definite infrastructures are put in place, even when particular names are mentioned, personal stories, etc., for many will "mental shackles" will still be on even when people are in the boxcars? Jews were told by Germans they had to get naked to be 'deloused' and showered. See, the lie is maintained to assure ambivalance and only revealed at the very crux of death. No one expected the Germans of the 1930s to have some press conference about the death camps. Stop expecting the Bush administration or coup or whatever to have a press conference about it either. The lie is maintained to assure ambivalance and only revealed at the very crux of death.

Will they be handicap accessable? 03.May.2004 06:05

Colitious

I was just wondering if the boxcars would be handicap accessable? If not, then maybe we can use the Handicap law to make them delay their plans by having to install wheelchair ramps on the 107,000 boxcars.

I Am The Author Of This Original Report on BOXCARS AND SHACKLES 26.Jun.2004 09:30

Pamela Schuffert www.AmericanHolocaust.homestead.com MyTWaryor4JC@hotmail.com

I have spent several years and thousands of dollars researching the evident reality of PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES, many of them originating from GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION of Portland, Oregon. I was tracking them down as they tied in with my research ragarding the coming AMERICAN HOLOCAUST under future MARTIAL LAW. AS I was to discover, there are MANY differing BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES operations taking place clandestinely across this nation. Some are using older boxcars and refurbishing them. But GUNDERSON has been producing nice, shiny NEW metal prisoner boxcars for the US government for several years now.

I uncovered factual confirmation from the lips of the wife of a high level executive with GUNDERSON in her home. She asked me to conduct a seminar in her home on the future AMERICAN HOLOCAUST and what we can expect. She began it with admitting, "My husband finally admitted to me that GUNDERSON IS UNDER SECRET GOVERNMENT CONTRACT TO PRODUCE PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES. They also have a satellite factory in TEXAS to produce the same boxcars."

Later, I contacted a reliable source of information, Col. Jim Ammerman of Dallas, Texas, to report this information of PRISONER BOXCARS IN TEXAS. Shocked, he replied, "Funny how you should metnion this! A friend of mine WHO IS A WELDER recently called me and informed me that he had applied for a WELDING JOB here in Texas. But then he was told that it would involve WELDING SHACKLES INTO BOXCARS, he declined the position..."

I also met with several workers with GUNDERSON who described to me the special platforms being used to construct them from. And when I lectured on this to my friends in the Russian community of Portland, they admitted they KNEW ALL ABOUT IT! Sasha, a young Russian immigrant, worked at GUNDERSON, as do many other Russians in that area.

Sasha had been describing to the Russian Christian community the description of these strange boxcars he had been working on, inside and out. I wanted to interview the Russians on this inside information! But when I told them that these mysterious boxcars would be used to haul NWO-resistant Americans to CONCENTRATION CAMPS TO BE TERMINATED UNDER COMING MARTIAL LAW, they immediately became frightened and refused to meet and talk with me.

Through several years of research and thousands of miles of traveling to unravel the mystery of BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES, I can now sadly confirm them to be A REALITY. And they are now prepositioned across our United States, just waiting for MARTIAL LAW TO BE DECLARED...and AN AMERICAN HOLOCAUST to commence.-Pamela Schuffert www.AmericanHolocaust.homestead.com


Brak 27.Aug.2004 20:36

Brak

Your a bunch of dumbass's... I work for a railroad where we have cars like this. The shackles are used to secure loads. 100k cars would fill alot U.S. trackage, it obuiosly would be noticed.

Dumbass's....

Age Old Issue of Patriotic Americans 13.Sep.2004 11:33

Son of Liberty photonblasters@yahoo.com

the american goverment has more in common with hitler than just the japanese internment camps. what of the eugenics practiced especially in southern states during the same time period. i'm fairly sure Lynchburg VA was the US's largest facility for the goverment forced and funded genital mutilation of social deviants and minorities as a means of preventing the destruction of the american gene pool.

since day one, the greatest fear of the american patriot has been the loss of liberty.
it's a profound part of who we all are. we love our country. we celebrate our history. in our hearts we empathize for those who suffered in the darker moments of our country's past. we feel glory for our greatest moments.

but as much as we love our country, we also know, in our communal heart of hearts, that we are one nation under a god-like political structure that will look any individual in the eye and lie to get by. it's no surprise to us.

and some of us patriots, those of us at least a little less captured by the "mental shackles," have the ability to sit back in our living room when the Navy commercial boasts "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it," and think to ourselves, "What is going on here?"

But I think that this issue of shackles in train cars is really only a minescule engendering of the bigger fear. Regardless of any posts here, and I myself have visited many websites in pursuit of clarification on this matter, nothing can conclusively be proven or disproven, so it's, in many ways, a non-issue. If the goverment wants to hide something from us, to many extents they can.

If you are still curious, though, search for not only shackled boxcars, but also view some of the photos and stories about the American Concentration camps being constructed all over the country, with rail access to them. They're all over the web. I'm skeptical, but I'm no fool. This is definitely possible. And that's scary.

As for me, my Boston roots ring true in my blood, and I say, "Give me liberty or give me death," even if that means they shackle my ass into some train car and ship me to Fairbanks. God Bless.

A Christian's take on it 07.Jan.2005 19:54

Marcia A. marciaambler@hotmail.com

Hello! Being a Christian, I believe that any government can end up just like ancient Rome, where they fed Christians to lions. It's not a pleasant ordeal, I'm sure! Nevertheless, after such Christians die for their beliefs, they do not end up in hell (according to their beliefs.) Therefore, whoever is a true Christian has nothing to fear, really, since death is, in fact a birth into the true kingdom of God. Christ was tortured on a cross under the auspices of the Roman government. He died. He was resurrected, according to quite a few eyewitnesses. Not only that, but 500 dead folks rose from their graves at the same time! Apparently, if God wants you alive, He'll make sure you are. And if He wants you to come back and be with Him for eternity, He'll get you there. Here on earth we are passing through. They can torture us, but we pass on to a better place, and they are left behind to deal with each other. So be it. Of course, every opportunity I get,I will do all I can to choose only Christlike actions. For those who are not truly Christians, all I can say is, God bless you!

508-792-0247

They won't be feeding xtians to those lions! 04.Apr.2005 12:30

Skruff (Harry H. Snyder III) childhelp@37.com

When Madeline Murray Ohare was killed in Texas, the authorities yawned and did nothing. Three people of differing belief murdered and no (meaningful) investigation.

IF (and I personally don't believe this) boxcars are being fitted with shakles (for prisoners) it will be for the minority who don't live in red-state Dumfuckistan.

Actually trucks would be a better way to transport prisoners...Trains don't go anywhere any more!

A scary quote 29.Aug.2005 09:40

Eric

No one will enter the new world order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship lucifer..no one will enter the new age unless he will take luciferian initiation.....David Spangler,Director of Planetary Initiative,United Nations:..

Boxcars and related transportation W/Links 11.Jun.2006 17:42

Former Marine! Loyal to the Constitution!

Here is what I found and links, after reading click and follow the happy camp link to more info.
 http://www.issuesandalibis.org/campsd.html

prince of lies 05.Jan.2007 14:33

logic

i really dont know what to think about people that get railroaded into such an irrelevant debate, shackles....come on...you dont have to chain people to the wall of a steel box to restrain them, you just lock the door....just starve em..pack em...starve em some more...and resisting will be the last thing on their mind when you open that door and they come out of there.. half of them will be dead anyway...ask any nazi...dont get me wrong, i believe its coming and they wont have any problem slipping up on people arguing about smokescreens like this one...nazis didnt need any shackles on their death trains...machine guns,lies, and steel were plenty