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Government workers approach the Infoshop

Early this afternoon, a worker at the Cascadia Rising Infoshop said that a man stopped by who worked for the Forest Service. His job, he said, was to go to environemntal organizations and find out what they care about in the Forest. His name is William Kay, and he has tried to find out information in the past by calling. Today when he approached the Infoshop, his story changed a few times. A bit later, someone else called to discuss Tre Arrow.

William Kay said he was in town from California, and asked if this was CFA. CFA no longer rents the space. He went on to ask if people involved with CFA come around. Then he said that he does field surveys and, when asked, said that he works for a local non-profit environmental group which the Infoshop worker wasn't familiar with. When asked exactly what he does, he said that he works for the Forest Service out of Estecada and goes around to different environmental groups asking what they care about in the Forest.

Within a half hour a phone call came, asking if this was CFA. No, it's not. This man said he was a private investigator and wanted to know if we knew anything about Tre Arrow. He explained to the worker that he was wanted for setting a fire, and he was beeing looked for. The worker asked him questions, and he seemed uncomfortable. He changed his story then to say that he was a friend of Tre's and wanted to help prove his innocence.The worker took down his name and number and ended the conversation, as the man kept asking questions about the nature of the space in relation to CFA, even after shr repeatedly said that the Infoshop is not associated with CFA.

this guy "William Kay" smells funny 06.Feb.2004 14:40

dont ya think?

so treat him like somebody that's got a pant load of shit: pinch ya nose and stand back, tell him to take his
load of shit elsewhere....he too damned stinking for you! This is best way to deal with such stench, I think!

no kay 06.Feb.2004 16:14

okay

Hmm, Forest Service asking what people care about in the forest ? That'd be my first clue that something was amiss.

Did anyone do a reverse lookup on the phone number ? When someone suspicious comes calling always call the place they claim to be from, not the number they give you but one from the phone directory.

Read George Draffan and Derrick Jensen's new book _Strangely Like War_ if you want to hone your paranoia and be reminded what you're up against.  http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/strangelylikewar

Good Job Reporting this! 06.Feb.2004 22:03

Paper trails are better than chem trails

To the folks involved in reporting this, and to any activist out there, good job in writing stuff down and publishing it if you can. It is hard to know who these folks are, but they are certainly planting something if not merely suspicion. Record it on an incident sheet, you might need it later.

Peace, justice and the knowledge to know the difference!

check it out 07.Feb.2004 21:54

call his home

brian Glick

the war within.

don't forget the ages old question about... 08.Feb.2004 05:36

is it a duck?

if it walks like a duck, squaks like a duck, looks like a duck, picks shit like a duck, and acts like a duck
...well, then it is a duck! Yeh! It's a given...this guy is a duck....a Daffy Duck-government agent. So, just
forget him...move on!

headline could be better 08.Feb.2004 13:55

government worker

It would behoove us all to say what we mean in a headline-- yes cops and undercover homeland security and other names for the same thing work for our governement. But to call them "governement worker" in a headline gives a bad rap to public employees, workers, and many others who are actually victims of our government's policies a much as the rest of us. Lets be a little more specific, and thoughtful in how we group people. Working for the governement is a pretty broad category of people. Spying and doing Bush's dirty work, and timber industries dirty work for that matter, is not the same as providing public services.

hear hear! 09.Feb.2004 10:08

john brown

We SHOULD honor honest civil servants who really do work with a sense of service to the public. I'm not talking about politicians or politically appointed hacks.

Arguably the biggest problem with the American left is the impoverishment of its imagination. People are so demoralized by the repugnance of the American political system that they dismiss any possibility that "government" can ever do good. This is the reason for the popularity of the word "anarchism" of late in some more radical circles. It has less to do with a theoretical analysis than with a sense of frustration and a very insular, parochial vision of the world that has benefitted little from contact with other countries or ideas from outside this country. I say that as someone who subscribes to the label "anarchist" on occasion myself, but not because I lump together social workers with defense contract managers or politically appointed forest despoilers.

William Kay in Vancouver 12.Feb.2004 22:06

Jane Doe, Elaho Earth First! earth_first@ziplip.com

We know a man named William Kay in Vancouver BC. He is in his mid-30's, about 200 lbs, dark hair, straight-looking, and a loud, arrogant, declaiming voice and demeanour. He describes himself as a Stalinist whose political goals include exposing the environmental movement as a fascist anti-worker conspiracy.
Of course, this may be a different William Kay.

Cheap shots 18.Sep.2005 23:37

Jonny

Responding to the cheap ad-hominem and red-baiting shots above, I worked with Vancouver's William Kay for years. He studies the Ford, Turner and Mellon foundation money that goes to the environmental movement. Investigative journalism is not the same as conspiracism. If given a fair chance to reply, he would surely clear up any misunderstandings about his political beliefs. Let McArthyism die already.

Cheap shots 19.Sep.2005 09:16

Jonny

Responding to the cheap ad-hominem and red-baiting shots above, I worked with Vancouver's William Kay for years. He studies the Ford, Turner and Mellon foundation money that goes to the environmental movement. Investigative journalism is not the same as conspiracism. If given a fair chance to reply, he would surely clear up any misunderstandings about his political beliefs. Let McArthyism die already.