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Ask a 9-11 Researcher, "why remove transponders? & QUEUE EFFECT THEORY/DATA

Dear Ask a 9-11 Researcher:


"How and why was the transponder in all four planes disabled?"
and the Huge Detonations in the Sub-Basements before WTCs fell
and the Huge Detonations in the Sub-Basements before WTCs fell
Demolition Squibs of Controlled Demolitions on the WTC1 (.wmv, 400k, 15 sec.)
Demolition Squibs of Controlled Demolitions on the WTC1 (.wmv, 400k, 15 sec.)
first check out the video link for the overture, then join us below


Ask a 9-11 Researcher, "why remove transponders? & QUEUE EFFECT THEORY/DATA 05.Feb.2004 17:53

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Dear Ask a 9-11 Researcher:


"How and why was the transponder in all four planes disabled?"


I'm unsure. My ideas are that it would be simulteneously
(a) EASIER TO SEE: easier for NORAD to know where the attack planes are (as they would still be visible by radar as the only planes in the air without the "IFF" beacon), easier to monitor progress of the standdown when there are literally thousands of planes in the air in the United States.

(b) FOR SUBSTITUTIONS: removing the IFF beacon removes the planes name and altitude height, though it is still visible on any radar clearly. It would simply be an unidentified blip instead of an identified blip. This 'blank blip' framework can allow potential substitutions by flying under/above the skyjacked planes so that their radar signals merged. It allows original planes to either land somewhere (likely only AA77 was landed somewhere in Ohio, as clinton appointee of FAA said when she reported that AA77 "was going down and likely crashed!"-- this story of course was entirely down the Memory Hole in a few minutes.). (SIDENOTE: If AA77 lands and its Pentagon black op's personnel survive (and its actual civilian passengers are killed immediately then sent to the "Pentagon morgue" to be given fake death certificates/autopsies like what happened in Waco. Fake autopsies. Hey! By the way, the very same two autopsy cover up artists of Waco were used in the Pentagon hit, by the way. Obviously they proved their worth in the mid 1990s and in 2001.

THE QUEUE EFFECT

(c) queue effect: There is in my studied opinion a 'queuing phenomenon' that shows a similar small 5 minute or less gap between a period where a plane would be a "definte hit coming up" and the next planes transponder going off, or the next plane taking off the ground. When IFF beacons go off is always right after the previous one is about to hit, (as in the case of UAL175's IFF going off right before WTC1 is hit with "AA11"; or "AA77s" IFF going off right before the substitution). The strikes in my opinion all follow a pattern of definite PRIORITIES for the order and location of the hits though little else was decided beforehand in terms of planes to do the hits. Well, perhaps the unscheduled-for-that-day AA77 plane was more hardwired, though at least I would say that the first, second, and fourth plane were more open.

For example it was only barely right before WTC1 was hit, that the WTC2 plane hit (unscheduled for that day, UAL175) was taken off its transponder. Moreoever, a bit earlier, it was right as (unscheduled for that day) AA11 stopped communicating with ATC that scheduled-for-that-day UAL175 takes off. Both of these planes come from Boston Logan.

And like telekenesis--at another airport: Once 'second-hit' UAL175 takes off (remember, exactly when unscheduled-for-that-day 'first hit' AA11 begins to lose communication with ATC), it was only minutes later at Dulles Airport that unscheduled-for-that-day AA77 takes off, only when UAL175 is assured. The AA77 is more hardwired to a certain target, because it is definitely to be the Pentagon alibi plane for (according to one eyewitness) the "cruise missle with wings" that plowed into the Pentagon). It was important that WTCs be the first two hits for the alibi with the Pentagon hit being a later hit instad of a first hit, so it waited until both the WTC1 and WTC2 planes were in the air and set. The fourth plane UAL93, following this queue, presumably takes off 40 minutes late (though there may be a discrepency between BTA data and actual take off time in this case). However, this 40 minute stall time on the ground was less than five minutes before the unscheduled-for-that-day 'first hit' AA11 hits the WTC1, which allowed the UAL175 definitely to hit the WTC2. Another option that would hold to the queue theory would be that perhaps the UAL175 was hardwired to the WTC2 hit, instead of it still being undecided. It was still designed to be in a temporal queue to make sure that unscheduled-for-that-day was AA11 was in queue itself before taking off for WTC2.

Back to UAL93, the fourth plane. In other words, with UAL93 taking off only several minutes before unscheduled-for-the-day AA11 hits the WTC1, the UAL93 may have been a "WTCs backup plane" that only takes off on another mission of terror, (undecided? who can say? or was it the Capitol?) once both WTCs hits are almost assured.

My point is that this looks like a queue effect that says "OK, that one is airbone, bring up the next one" in all three cases of UAL175, unscheduled-for-that-day AA77, and the potential "WTCs backup hit" of UAL93--that was launched toward something else and kept in the air as a backup later once the WTCs area was assured a double hit.

Second, the FAA "tells" the already-in-the-know NORAD, who have the best radar data in North America all to themselves, the code message, "xxxx plane has just been hijacked" This is the message that is always illegally late, though like the queue effect always almost immediately before a hit instead of when it stops communicating or goes off course! This means in my opinion built into this queue theory issue was a way simultaneously for the "FAA blame" alibi to be constructed as as "tell NORAD to move on" message: that "this plane has just been placed in queue for the next target in priority target list because we are confident that nothing can interfere with it at this stage and that it will be a definite hit. So we (or you?) can program and guide that next plane into the second target."

So is someone at FAA calling the shots, and reporting on successes and giving the OK to NORAD to program the next plane for its destination? My bet is that the FAA contact was MONTE BELGAR, who retires immedately after 9-11. Information on him is hard to come by. I would like assistance in finding about Monte Belgar's background.

In other words what I draw from this is that If I WAS IN CHARGE, and it was VERY VERY IMPORTANT to hit both WTC1 and WTC2 to cover up the internal implosions and demolitions, you require backups and reserves. A military mind alwasys knows that it is the reserves that win the battle or the war, instead of what you put into your immediate assault.

First, in planning 9-11, I would have had a series of priorities of what should be hit that dealt with
a. order of hits
b. symbolic rationales of hits
c. alibi for disguising demolition or bomb explosion cover-up operations (this is the case of both the WTCs and the Pentagon).

Second, and I would have backup. I would have the actual planes be a 'swarm' of backups. The targets would be settled, though the planes for particular ones would be open, instad of 'hardwiring' the overall plan to be four separate events with their specific targets and adopting the "aw shucks" attitude if one failed to work out. With this type of operation there is nothing that would allow this "aw shucks" type of attitude to a failed terror strike, because all of them were crucial to the overall plan, or the full plan for an immediately police state and WWIII would fail. One of these planes did fail in its hit by the way, and in my opinion, it has given us this slight breathing space as the Bushes attempt to jury-rig up something that would take the place of what they considered to be the carte blance that would be given to them by the missing fourth terror plane hit. So what would have been this carte blance for the Bushes that failed, which launched us into this gray inbetween, a 3/4 successfully terror strike by the Bushes? More on this below.

Anyway, back to the queue issue: if a plane or two fails to hit the WTC for some reason, this would really spoil the cover operation of demolitions of the towers! So you keep everything loose throughout the attack, monitor everything, gauge when particular hits are certain, and then and only then, move on to the next definite target using the next plane.

This accounts for why the fourth plane UAL93 was grounded for huge times on the tarmac, until the WTC1 and WTC2 were more certain, and then it could go on to its next destination or be in the air for sudden adaptations in case something else went awry.

When you create a timeline of takeoffs, waiting on the tarmac, IFF beacons, and hits it reads like one script, with tiny spaces of minutes inbetween, where once only when the previous queued target was sound the next plane was either powered up and allowed to leave the ground, or if it was in the air already, it would suddenly turn off its IFF beacon and move in for the next hit. This would be a failsafe is in case some particular ones fail to get thorugh. There was another Memory Hole story (or perhaps one I remember myself) right after 9-11 that would support this: the FBI said that they KNEW ABOUT 11 PLANES. So this brings up the question did they have many more planes than four waiting on the ground or otherwise in the air which were scheduled to take off?

THE MISSED FOURTH HIT AND THE UNEXPECTED BREATHING SPACE BEFORE FULL POLICE STATE AND SECRET GOVERNMENT OVERLORDSHIP CAUSED THEM TO ADAPT AFTER 9-11---------WITH ANTHRAX AIMED AT THE SAME MISSED TARGET

In order to stagger them appropriately through the air, the queue would read three hits and one missed hit. So the order of the four priority hits could be maintained as 1) WTC1, 2) WTC2, 3) Pentagon, and (in my opinon the Bushes wanted the fourth plane to hit.........) 4) the Congress building?

"Why do you think the fourth plane was to hit the Congress building?"

You ask, why do I think that the Congress building was the fourth plane's destination?

a. Well, because everything was going so "well" (from the Bushes/CIA/Cheney point of view), one of the planes that was in rotation for terror hits and already in the air got REAL FAR AWAY from its target. It got real far away by the time they actually decided on its final target to be, the Capitol building. This caused some trouble, because the NORAD standdown was going on about 1 hour and 45 minutes by 10:00 a.m. (Counting from the unscheduled-for-that-day AA11 stopping communication with ATC around 8:15 a.m.)

b. Why the Capitol? Well, ask whoever decided to ask for a "change of flight plan to DC" from Dulles ATC....after FAA head who said to "clear the skies and land at the nearest airport". The DC airport was very very far away by then. (DAMN! That sudden initiative from the intentionally placed first day on the job person at the "Big Board" of the FAA really messed everything up for the fourth hit. They expected him to be unable to comprehend what was going on, or be scared of taking any action when faced with this on his first day. However! HA! He said "clear the skies!" He singlehandedly ruined the chances of the fourth hit--and perhaps even others. As I said, someone had the audacity after this FAA order was given to attempt to allow UAL93 (ahem) to (alibi) head back to Dulles Airport (ahem) under these conditions of "clear the skies". Moreover, it was the FAA that simultaneously said for the Buffet "NetJet" to follow UAL93, interestingly enough, countermanding its own orders? Who gave the order to allow the NetJet to follow UAL93? Remember that this "someone" only radioed ATC at Dulles after it was supposedly (alibi) hijacked, though still on course. FAA claims that UAL93 was 'hijacked" (alibi for this one is next in queue) around 9:20. Wait a minute, UAL93 was still on course and with a IFF beacon at 9:20. It's beacon is on until 9:40 a.m. and it only goes off course around 9:28-9:35 a.m.. This sort of says to me that "well, we have ourselves a plane here, where should it go"? All this lag time here to me shows indecisiveness on just what to do with it. So they finally request on the fly in response to the FAA nationwide order to "clear the skies" a "flight plan to DC," though this was after the FAA had claimed it had been hijacked! Ouch! Sorry, we have some delightful parting gifts for you, thanks for playing. This flight plan alibi was the last ditch attempt to get it to DC.

So with this background, why do I think that the fourth plane was to hit the Capitol?

a. Cheney had made damn sure to keep the Capitol full of legislators even though he and the Secret Service had pseudo-evacuated HIM from around 9:05 a.m. to the White House Bunker--a full 30 minutes before the Pentagon was hit by the "cruise missle with wings" and ***a full hour*** before the fourth plane was shot down (that was even the US miitary's original story, then they changed it. There is plenty of seismic and other plane witness data and ATC data and court testimony at the Massaoui trial that a Warren Buffet "NetJet" was for some reason told to tail the fourth plane). Remember, that this means that the Capitol and the Pentagon, even though Cheney and the Pentaon knew something was approaching from around 9:00 a.m. (when Pentagon goes on Alpha Alert as well, though they fail to evacuate), are left unevacuated until AFTER the Pentagon hit was successful.

b. Remeber they were all ready with the Shadow Government, after 9-11, however, the expected Congressional hit was a failure.

c. Suddently there was very little "emergency" to pass the Patriot Act as the legislators were still alive.

d. So in the days after 9-11, someone in the military got the bright idea to mail out some Ft. Detrick military grade anthrax of the Ames strain (which the FBI had the original sample destroyed to cover the US's trail on this, and which was shared by groups such as BioPort (Carlye Corporation owned), Battelle (truly a NWO operation if ever I saw one), and other top secret miltiary areas like Dugway Proving grounds in Utah. The point is they picked a strain that was easily tracable to only a few domestic miltary people, and they used weaponized which even further refined the suspect list to CIA related groups. Follow: first anthrax were mailed days after the failed Congressional hit that would have killed most of the legislature. Ahtnrax is known to have about a month downtime before it infects.

e. Bush, Ascroft, Rumsfeld, everyone--are in the media early October talking about ANTHRAX coming up, danger of anthrax, this is still going on, etc. We are in danger. Patriot Act is introduced in Congress by Bush cronies.

f. Days later, anthrax finally surfaces, as predicted after being mailed out after 9-11. So the Bushes attempt scare tactics instead of mass murder of the legislature. The anthax kills........the editor of the Florida Newpaper who was the only one in the whole country to publish pictures of Jenna Bush drunk, and was ready to go with publishing nude pictures of Bush in a coffin with his male Skull and Bones buddies. This editor dies. Then the FBI CLOSES THE NEWSPAPER and refuses to let people retrieve anything. This newspaper is gone.

g. Daschle and Leahy say "screw you Bush" fu*k your police state, in so many words. We refuse to introduce this bill, it destroys the Bill of Rights, etc. They are immediately sent THE MOST CONCENTRATED STRAINS sent out, weaponized anthrax, trillion spores per gram, weaponized under patent to the CIA in a contract job. Daschle does gets his, and his whole staff is nearly infected. Leahy's anthrax letter was stopped by mail stoppages once danger realized and was only 'found' in November, postmarked the same as Daschle's letter. The letters were posted from Trenton, New Jersey. To get weaponized anthrax out of its secure environments and to handle it without killing yourself, is a very specialized operation. Plus, it is reputed that only people with the level of CIA clearances could authorize such anthrax to be removed from such US government operations as Ft. Detrick.

h. Remember that the Patriot Act was already written up well before 9-11. WELL BEFORE 9-11. WELL BEFORE 9-11. Who wrote most of it? Why, Sentaor Graham of Florida, the person who, along with an ex-Intelligence operative, were in charge of the "Biparisan 9-11 Investigation (ha) Commission". On the day of 9-11, Graham was meeting the terrorist money drop man of the Pakistan ISI in the Congress builining, Ahmad, the person who met with (likely Rice) someone in the White House in the week before 9-11, right before the money transaction was wired from Pakistan to the Florida (Sun Trust Bank) accounts of Mohammad Atta who the FBI still claims was "a hijacker." So you have Graham, the writer of the Patriot Act mostly, meeting with the money drop man to the FBI claimed terrorist of 9-11, Atta--and on 9-11 the meeting occurred. With Graham in this meeting was Goss, another Floridian Bushite ex-Intelligence operative. Lots of Florida in this story, eh? Graham says that Goss and he and everyone who was with him "received a note from Goss's aide" and they turned on the television to see a smouldering WTC2 (second hit, post 9:03). He claims that it was then this group evacuated themselves from the Capitol--early--right after WTC2 was hit (9:03 a.m). [I personaly would like to see more information about the Capitol evacuation because it is a crucial issue in connecting Graham/Goss, and whether they knew they were going to be offed by the potential fourth plane hit, or did they know to leave early? Knowing that they would be hit in the Capitol if they stayed around. Capitol was only evacuated officially much later and after the "cruise missile with wings" found the Pentagon and hit it around 9:35 a.m. or so.] In other words, DC for 30 minutes, nothing evacuated, though plane coming in? By the way, Graham came out immediately after 9-11 saying the US should attack Iraq immediately. He even called the mass murdering ex-Governor "Executioner" Bush "soft on terror." Graham used to be a Governor of Florida by the way, well know for all his executions as well. This is the same Graham family that runs the Washinton Post and has covered up "votescam" in Florida since the 1970s! [on this read half of a free book  http://www.votescam.com ]





The overall point is, people, that 9-11 is only one in a series of state teror and corrupt actions of the US. There is a direct continuity with these people. The more I looked into it, the more that 9-11 seemed to be business as usual. It was business that finally has woken up some of the sheep that is all.

The sheep theory is that 9-11 represents something different in the way of US criminal actions. However, it is the same networks building on what they have accomplished and they have been doing this for 30 years in the United States, terror, assassination, and cover-up, terror, assassionation, and cover-up, terror, assassination, and cover-up, etc.

Welcome to your world. It's high time you got to know it.

more here: want to see some video of the WTC1 demolition squibs, showing that it was a controlled demolition?
more here: Want to see the seismic evidence of huge detonations in the sub-basements, which WTC cleanup crews said left molten steel in these areas weeks?

other installments of "Dear Ask a 9-11 Researcher":
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/279744.shtml

one correction, the other typos I can live with 05.Feb.2004 19:47

ad nauseum

>>>>>For example it was only barely right before WTC1 was hit, that the WTC2 plane hit (unscheduled for that day, UAL175)

actually UAL175 was scheduled for that day. It was AA11 and AA77 that were unscheduled for that day--though voila! they appear on the tarmac ready to go on 9-11!

citation:

What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 on Sept 11, 2001
by Gerard Homgren 10:44am Thu Nov 13 '03 (Modified on 2:21pm Fri Feb 6 '04) article#36354
 aa1177_3@hotmail.com

The flights alleged to have hit the North WTC1 tower and the Pentagon did not exist. They were not scheduled to fly that day.
 http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36354&group=webcast

dear researcher 06.Feb.2004 08:47

jamie

dear 911 researcher,
i am a high school student who is writing my semester project on bush and 9-11. i told my teacher about how flights 11 and 77 were not scheduled to fly that day. he didn't believe me (he's cool, but he's making sure i have sources for all my stuff). can you please post the document (from american airlines or the faa or whatever) that shows that there was no flight 11 and 77 on 9-11.

thanks!!
jtk

Hi Jamie, ask if he can fit his "conspiracy theory" Boeing in this hole 06.Feb.2004 16:27

ad nauseum

Dear Ask a 9-11 Researcher:

"i am a high school student who is writing my semester project on bush and 9-11. i told my teacher about how flights 11 and 77 were not scheduled to fly that day. he didn't believe me (he's cool, but he's making sure i have sources for all my stuff). can you please post the document (from american airlines or the faa or whatever) that shows that there was no flight 11 and 77 on 9-11. thanks!! jtk "


This has been researched by G. Holmgren, who has used OFFICIAL federal governmental data resources, the BTA, the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. About the Bureau:  http://www.bts.gov/ .


ON AA11 AND AA77:

1.

Check out this, which I have pasted below for duplication purposes. I've gone through myself his data and indeed the government websites did show they were unscheduled that day.


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What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 on Sept 11 2001
by Gerard Holmgren . Copyright. Nov 13, 2003

 aa1177_3@hotmail.com [contact Holmgren for more information, he would be the direct source, I know he has updates to this November 13, 2003 piece.]

This material may be freely reproduced without permission providing that it is not for commercial
purposes. Please include the author's name, the URL where you found it and the copyright notice.

On the basis of photographic and physical evidence, it has now been established for some time that on Sept
11, 2001 the damage to the Pentagon was caused by something other than the hijacked Boeing 757,
American Airlines Flight 77 claimed by the government to have crashed into the building.

Hunt the Boeing
 http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

Physical and Mathematical analysis of Pentagon crash. Oct 2002
 http://thewebfairy.com/911/holmgren/
Did AA 77 hit the Pentagon? Eyewitness accounts examined. June 2002
 http://hamilton.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=1786&group=webcast
The amazing Pentalawn.
 link to www.cryptogon.com).htm

More recently, its become widely accepted on the basis of video evidence that the object which hit the
North Tower of the WTC at 8.46 that morning was not the hijacked Boeing 767, American Airlines Flight
11, as claimed in the official story.

 http://home.earthlink.net/~whatzit
 http://thewebfairy.com/whatzit/index2.html

In response to these observations, both supporters of the truth and blind deniers of it agree on one thing. It
raises the question - "If these flights did not hit the buildings as alleged, then where did they go?'

We are now in a position to answer that question.

First lets recap on the official story of what happened to four planes that morning.

AA 11 left Boston for LA at about 8 am, was reported as hijacked about 8.25, and hit the Nth Tower at about 8.46.

UA 175 left Boston for LA at about the same time, was reported hijacked at about 8.55 and hit the Sth Tower at about 9.03.

AA 77 left Dulles for LA about the same time , was reported hijacked at about 8.55 and hit the Pentagon at
about 9.45

UA 93 left Newark for SF at about the same time, was reported hijacked about 9.45 and crashed in PA at
about 10.10.

The Bureau of transportation website contains search pages, where one can pull up detailed statistics about
the history of which flights have been scheduled for which airports on any given day. Go to

 http://www.bts.gov/ntda/oai/index.shtml

and click on "detailed statistics" where one can search records of scheduled and actual departure times,
arrival times, diversions and cancellations by departure airport, arrival airport, airline and flight number.
Searches for Sept 11 2001 reveal that the flights AA 11 and AA 77 did not exist. They were not scheduled
that day. Here are the search results which I encourage everyone to check for themselves.

A search for UA flights from Newark on Sept 11, 2001 shows 0093 to SF was scheduled at 8.00 and
actually departed at 8.01. It is listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.

A search for UA from Boston on that day shows 0175 to LA was scheduled for 8.00 and actually departed
at 7.58. Also listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.

The term "diverted" does not specify any differentiation between legally diverted, hijacked or crashed, so
the data gives no indication one way or the other as to truth of the official story about what happened to
them, but it does confirm that they departed as per the official story and did not arrive at their destinations.

A search for AA flights from Boston that day does not list 0011. The earliest scheduled AA flight to LA
that day was 0181 at 11.00

A search for AA flights from Dulles that day does not list 0077. The earliest scheduled AA flight to LA was
0135 at 11.15.

Here's a different search method. By returning to the search page URL listed earlier, and clicking on
"summary statistics", one can find the historical reliability and punctuality of specific flights over a period
of time, by specifying the airline and flight number and defining the time period. The search then returns
figures on average delays in departure and arrival times and percentages of cancelled or diverted flights.
If one searches specifically for UA 175 or UA 93 narrowed down to sept 11 only, the search returns the
result of "diverted" for each flight. A similar search for either AA 11 or AA 77 on that date returns "no data
found".

If you search for AA 11 or AA 77 on different days, you will find that they were regularly scheduled flights
right up to Sept 10.

AA 11 was scheduled daily from Logan to LA at 8.00, and AA 77 from Dulles to LA at
7.45. On Sept 11, they were not scheduled. Not cancelled. Just not scheduled.

On Sept 12, they re-appear in the schedule (obviously as cancelled for the next few days) up until Sept 20
when both flights change their numbers.

Thus the official figures from the Bureau of Transportation statistics indicate that neither AA 11 nor AA 77
flew on Sept, 11 2001. This solves the question of what happened to them. Nothing. Because the flights did
not exist. This is consistent with other evidence which shows that they were not the objects responsible for
the Pentagon and Nth WTC tower incidents.

This still leaves unanswered the question of what happened to the passengers alleged to be aboard the non
existent flights. In the case of AA 77, while one can always speculate about the most plausible scenarios, I
prefer to wait until some real evidence emerges. However in the case of AA 11, I think it is worth noting
that UA 175 left from the same airport, at the same time for the same destination as that normally applicable
to AA 11. Therefore, although there is no direct evidence to support the claim, it would seem reasonable to
speculate at this stage that any passengers who were regular fliers on AA 11, and asked to booked on it that
day, went to the airport, expecting to get on AA 11, as per the normal routine. They were then told that
there was a last minute problem with the flight which could not be fixed within a reasonable period of time,
and were offered a flight on UA 175 as compensation.

The data in this search indicates that we have been systematically lied to about the alleged flight paths and
hijacking sequence of AA 11 and AA 77, as well as the alleged phone calls made from the planes.

It also indicates probable complicity by American Airlines in the events of Sept 11 , 2001.

For the benefit of any NWO operatives reading this, just in case you're thinking of trying to pressure the
Bureau into playing hanky panky with the records, the search results pages have already been backed up
and widely distributed. Nevertheless, I do encourage all readers to do the searches themselves and back up
the results pages, just in case this happens.
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ON AA77:

1. Check the pictures below. Ask the teacher, "where is the plane"
2.  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/01/278515.shtml [particuarly the current last comment with three other pictures]

ON AA11:

1. What do these flashes signify?
2. What does it signify when these flashes were digitially edited out of of both the commercial version and the Guiliani version, while they appear in the original Naudet "fireman's video"--the people on the scene?  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/275927.shtml

Some suggestions on strategy when you are talking with other people about this (brave of you! Great!), particularly if they are being flippant. Ask them "well, if it is so obvious to you, name through what evidence through which Bush claims that Al-Queda did this?" [Remember that originally Bush team fails to actually give any evidence. It passes this responsibility to Blair, and Blair has something written up. Bush has yet to ever give an accounting of what data led him to. FBI list of "the 19" actually around six of them are still alive in the world. Check BBC stories on this! By 2002, FBI head, Meuller, says publicly "without a paper trail." Remember they HAD been saying they had everything from ATM machine receipts, etc.] Another note on strategy: remember to ask "Well, Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair? Right? Bush has invaded two countries and killed thousands of people--and his justification for the attack keeps changing."

ARGUE FROM THE INVERSE: ABOUT WTC7 : If planes are the Bush regimes cause of all building collapses, and WTC7 failed to get hit, then how can it collapse in exactly the same manner structurally as the buildings that Bush blamed on plane hits, if it was without the plane?

1. 'Plane hits' are the general Bush justification for the collapses of WTC1 ("AA11") and WTC2 (UAL175) and the collapses of sections of the Pentagon ("AA77"). However, if AA11 and AA77 were unscheduled for that day, then something else is clearly responsible for (a) hitting WTC1 and the Pentagon.
1a. in the case of the WTC1, note the flash here [the embedded video file of "WTC1 Naudet video flash [Quicktime (.mov, -400K)], larger than original .gif " at the article "WTC1 9-11 plane had BRIGHT FLASH before striking showing IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL JET", at  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/275927.shtml ] indicates that it was something else. This is placed in a comment to this article and it is the most detailed video I have seen yet dealing with this "AA11" hit of WTC1.
1b. in the case of the Pentagon, check the photos other Holmgren links, above.

2. WTC7 collapsed in the same manner as WTC1 and WTC2, however there was nothing in the way of planes that struck it to "blame". And of course Silverstein, the owners of the lease of WTC1 through WTC7, is quoted on the PBS documentary that he had given or OK'ed to the "Fire Chief" [he leaves out the name] the order to "pull it" [WTC7]. If they were "prepared" to "pull" one building, why they were likely "prepared" to pull all three, which explains the similarities.

3. This is the first time in world history where steel framed buildings collapse in any manner at all, much less due to 'fire'. And three did so THREE TIMES ON THE SAME DAY. Fires have raged for up to 12 hours in steel framed buildings without them collapsing. The WTC fires "raged" for at most in each case about over an hour (WTC2) and over 1.5 hours (WTC1). The fires in WTC2 "raged"......until they were nearly out and the firechief said that there were only a few spotty fires up there when he reached the hit zone. Then the WTC2 building collapsed, floor by floor.

ARGUE FROM THE INVERSE ABOUT PENTAGON

1. using the pictures, obviously something else.


Book recommendations are, in order:

1. . The War on Freedom:How & Why America was Attacked, September 11, 2001, by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. (2002)

2. War and Globalisation, by Michel Chossudovsky. (2002)

3. Painful Questions: An Analysis of the September 11th Attack, by Eric Hufschmid,  http://www.erichufschmid.net. (2002)

4. Painful Deceptions: How Did Osama Pull Off Such A Devastating Attack?, 2-hour DVD presentation, by Eric Hufschmid. (2003)

5. "'9-11'": Facing our Fascist State, by Ron Paul,  http://www.wireonfire.com/donpaul/911.html (2002)

6. Stranger than Fiction: An Independent Investigation of the True Culprits Behind 9-11, by Albert D. Pastore, Ph.D [free on web, soon to be a book:  http://www.dandelionbooks.net/books.html]

7. The Terror Enigma : 9/11 and the Israeli Connection, By Justin Raimondo

8. The Shadow Government: 9-11 and State Terror, by Len Bracken

9. Ahead Of The Parade: A Who's Who Of Treason and High Crimes--Exclusive Details Of Fraud And Corruption of the Monopoly Press, the Banks, the Bench And the Bar, and the Secret Political Police, by Sherman Skolnick [www.dandelionbooks.net/books.html,www.skolnicksreport.com]

10. The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed, by Russell S. Bowen. (2001)

11. The Conspirators:Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider,by Al Martin

12.George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Tarpley & Chaitkin [ http://www.tarpley.net/]

13.Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press, by Kristina Borjesson (Editor)

14.America's Secret Establishment, by Antony C. Sutton.

15.Secret Societies of America's Elite: From the Knights Templar to Skull and Bones, by Steven Sora.

thanks 07.Feb.2004 08:13

jamie

thank you for telling me about the bts site. very interesting. i thought you were on to something there when i didn't see flights 11 and 77 show up. but then i searched for those flights every weekday prior to 9-11 and they're always there -- so their absence on that day is obviously a function of them being "diverted". anyway, thanks again for the lead. i can't include it in my paper, though. my journalism class has certain standards that i must meet.

I can't believe any audio/visual tape our government comes up with 07.Feb.2004 10:12

Truthout

I do not believe in flight attendant Ong's or highjacker voices. It may be possible some flights were not scheduled to fly, but would they not have difficulty getting off the ground with the tower not noticing? The airlines need to come forth with ticket confirmation lists to see if the seats were sold and then "no show passengers" were the reason why all 4 plane flight manifests were showing less than half full.

to Jamie 08.Feb.2004 12:43

ad nauseum

Jamie writes back:

"thankyou for telling me about the bts site. very interesting. i thought you were on to something there when i didn't see flights 11 and 77 show up. but then i searched for those flights every weekday prior to 9-11 and they're always there -- so their absence on that day is obviously a function of them being "diverted".

I dislike your word "obviously" that you throw so casually there. How do you know it is obvious? I'm serious. How do you know it is obvious what "diverted" is used for?

A journalist would have a factual argument--which you fail to provide. You are applying a slippery slope form of logical fallacy, something they should teach you to avoid in basic journalism. Factually, how do you know what diverted means? Where did you see information on the BTS site that explains what this term means? Can you back it up factually that 'diverted' was used on all planes that was hijacked? No, you can't. Read the above article once more. So you should avoid using that argument for "journalistic integrity."

At least if you were to be a journalist, I would grade you down on this because your interpretation goes against the factual use of the word "diverted" on the BTS website--which IS used for UAL175 and UAL93 though no one puts in in place for AA11 or AA77.

Journalism is the setting out of facts for your readers and letting them make up their mind. Persuasive writing has nothing to do with journalism.

If you are so intereted in setting out your subjective interpretation, get into creative writing. If you are interested in journalism, attempt to give facts and your sensory experiences to your readers in a raw format. If you do peruse the website like you say you did, you are unable to back up what you "reported" at all. You are factually faced with simply missing (typically scheduled) flights for AA11 and AA77 only. In the case of UAL175 and UAL93 you are given the word 'diverted.' Your summary of what you saw on the BTS website fails to jog with your interpretation and misleads your readers into thinking that the BTS site typically uses "diverted" for all the hijacked planes on 9-1. No, deletion after the face or lack of entry for that day of 9-11-01 from the database is the fact associated with AA11 and AA77.

I admire your attitude that there should be journalistic standards, though you're falling down on the job. What you call journalistic standards above is simply your subjective judgement.

Besides, if you had read the website of BTS thoroughly you would know that the word 'diverted' was indeed used on that day--on UAL175 and UAL93. So your statement about "obviousness" means nothing. When I read that all I see is laziness spelled with an 'o.'

Holmgren is a better journalist. See how he addressed the issue:

--------------------------------------------------------------
A search for UA flights from Newark on Sept 11, 2001 shows 0093 to SF was scheduled at 8.00 and
actually departed at 8.01. It is listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.

A search for UA from Boston on that day shows 0175 to LA was scheduled for 8.00 and actually departed
at 7.58. Also listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.

The term "diverted" does not specify any differentiation between legally diverted, hijacked or crashed, so
the data gives no indication one way or the other as to truth of the official story about what happened to
them, but it does confirm that they departed as per the official story and did not arrive at their destinations.

[He notes as well of course that AA11 and AA77 are simply missing from the database, and they were even unscheulded for that day. Scheduled planes got "diverted" only]

--------------------------------------------------------------

See. He puts out what he has seen, instead of attempting to impune an interpretation. Your question as a journalist should have been why is there a discrepency between both AA flights versus UAL flights?

As a journalist. You shoudl contact BTS, and ask them for a statement why AA11 and AA77 are unscheduled for that day according to their own data, while the scheduled planes of UAL's flights which were scheduled are listed as "diverted." That's journalism. The word "obvious" has nothing to do with it.

Sadly, as for journalistic standards in the US, I can barely hold down a laugh. Where? What standards?
If you are going into journalism in the US you'd better read this!


1.

Read #13 above: Into the Buzzsaw: Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press, by Kristina Borjesson (Editor) .


2.


and read this. A lot has happed before you (or I) were born.

Who rules the corporate media? OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD,CIA,state media since 1940s


It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of armchair ombudsmen that the public print reports news from a parallel universe - one that has never heard of politically-motivated assassinations, CIA-Mafia banking thefts, mind control, death squads or even federal agencies with secret budgets fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on their best behavior. In this idyllic land, the most serious infraction an official can commit--is a the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder) no residency status.This unlikely land of enchantment is the creation of Operation MOCKINGBIRD.

Operation Mockingbird
By Alex Constantine

Who Controls the Media?

Soulless corporations do, of course. Corporations
with grinning, double-breasted executives,
interlocking directorates, labor squabbles and
flying capital. Dow. General Electric. Coca-Cola.
Disney. Newspapers should have mastheads that
mirror the world: The Westinghouse Evening
Scimitar, The Atlantic-Richfield Intelligentser.
It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of
armchair ombudsmen that the public print reports
news from a parallel universe - one that has never
heard of politically-motivated assassinations,
CIA-Mafia banking thefts, mind control, death
squads or even federal agencies with secret budgets
fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone
gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on
their best behavior. In this idyllic land, the most
serious infraction an official can commit--is a
the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder)
no residency status.

This unlikely land of enchantment is the creation
of MOCKINGBIRD.

It was conceived in the late 1940s, the most frigid
period of the cold war, when the CIA began a
systematic infiltration of the corporate media, a
process that often included direct takeover of
major news outlets.

In this period, the American intelligence services
competed with communist activists abroad to
influence European labor unions. With or without
the cooperation of local governments, Frank Wisner,
an undercover State Department official assigned to
the Foreign Service, rounded up students abroad to
enter the cold war underground of covert operations
on behalf of his Office of Policy Coordination.

OUR STORY BEGINS WITH THE CIA INFILTRATION OF THE
WASHINTON POST

***Philip Graham, __a graduate of the Army
Intelligence School in Harrisburg, PA, then
publisher of the Washington Post***, was taken under
Wisner's wing to direct the program code-named
Operation MOCKINGBIRD.

AND MOVED TO THE NEW YORK TIMES,
NEWSWEEK, AND CBS by 1950s

"By the early 1950s," writes former Village Voice
reporter Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great,
"Wisner 'owned' respected members of the New York
Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications
vehicles, plus stringers, four to six hundred in
all, according to a former CIA analyst." The
***network was overseen by Allen Dulles, a templar for
German and American corporations*** who wanted their
points of view represented in the public print.

25 NEWSPAPERS AND WIRE ORGANIZATIONS, UNDER THE CIA

Early MOCKINGBIRD influenced 25 newspapers and wire
agencies consenting to act as organs of CIA
propaganda. Many of these were already run by men
with reactionary views, among them William Paley
(CBS), C.D. Jackson (Fortune), Henry Luce (Time)
and Arthur Hays Sulzberger (N.Y. Times).

FOIA: FREEDOM OF INFORMATION DOCUMENTS

Activists curious about the workings of MOCKINGBIRD
have since been appalled to find in FOIA
documents that agents boasting in CIA office memos
of their pride in having placed "important assets"
inside every major news publication in the country.

It was not until 1982 that the Agency openly
admitted that reporters on the CIA payroll have
acted as case officers to agents in the field.

"World War III has begun," Henry's Luce's Life
declared in March, 1947. "It is in the opening
skirmish stage already." The issue featured an
excerpt of a book by James Burnham, who called for
the creation of an "American Empire,"
"world-dominating in political power, set up at
least in part through coercion (probably including
war, but certainly the threat of war) and in which
one group of people ... would hold more than its
equal share of power."

George Seldes, the famed anti-fascist media critic,
drew down on Luce in 1947, explaining that
"although avoiding typical Hitlerian phrases, the
same doctrine of a superior people taking over the
world and ruling it, began to appear in the press,
whereas the organs of Wall Street were much more
honest in favoring a doctrine inevitably leading to
war if it brought greater commercial markets under
the American flag."

WARTIME COLONEL, FOUNDER OF CBS

On the domestic front, an abiding relationship was
struck between the CIA and ***William Paley, a wartime
colonel and the founder of CBS.*** A firm believer in
"all forms of propaganda" to foster loyalty to the
Pentagon, Paley hired CIA agents to work undercover
at the behest of his close friend, the busy grey
eminence of the nation's media, Allen Dulles.
[DULLES CONNECTED TO THE BUSH DYNASTY, BY THE WAY.]

Paley's designated go-between in his dealings with
the CIA was Sig Mickelson, president of CBS News
from 1954 to 1961.

The CIA's assimilation of old guard fascists was
overseen by the Operations Coordination Board,
directed by ***C.D. Jackson, formerly an executive of
Time magazine and Eisenhower's Special Assistant
for Cold War Strategy.*** In 1954 he was succeeded by
***Nelson Rockefeller, who quit a year later,***
disgusted at the administration's political
infighting. ***Vice President Nixon succeeded
Rockefeller*** as the key cold war strategist.

"Nixon," writes John Loftus, a former attorney for
the Justice Department's Office of Special
Investigations, took "a small boy's delight in the
arcane tools of the intelligence craft - the hidden
microphones, the 'black' propaganda." Nixon
especially enjoyed his visit to a Virginia training
camp to observe Nazis in the "special forces"
drilling at covert operations.

ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BERLIN-FILM, HEROIN SMUGGLER,
HUBERT VON BLEUCHER

One of the fugitives recruited by the American
intelligence underground was ***heroin smuggler Hubert
von Blcher, the son of a German ambassador.*** Hubert
often bragged that that he was trained by the
Abwehr, the German military intelligence division,
while still a civilian in his twenties. He served
in a recon unit of the German Army until forced out
for medical reasons in 1944, according to his
wartime records. ***He worked briefly as an assistant
director for Berlin-Film*** on a movie entitled One
Day ..., and finished out the war flying with the
Luftwaffe, but not to engage the enemy - his
mission was the smuggling of Nazi loot out of the
country. His exploits were, in part, the subject of
Sayer and Botting's Nazi Gold, an account of the
knockover of the Reichsbank at the end of the war.

HE BROUGHT GERMAN FUNDS TO FOUND
NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY IN ARGENTINA

In 1948 he flew the coop to Argentina. Posing as a
photographer named Huberto von Bleucher Corell, he
immediately paid court to Eva Peron, presenting her
with an invaluable Gobelin tapestry (a selection
from the wealth of artifacts confiscated by the SS
from Europe's Jews?). Hubert then met with Martin
Bormann at the Hotel Plaza to deliver German marks
worth $80 million. The loot financed the birth of
the National Socialist Party in Argentina, among
other forms of Nazi revival.

AFTER THIS HE WENT TO WORK IN HOLLYWOOD, AND FOR DISNEY,
THEN BACK TO GERMANY TO MAKE ANTI-CHEMICAL WARFARE
AGENTS FOR THE GOVERNMENT


In 1951, Hubert migrated northward and took a job
at the Color Corporation of America in Hollywood.
He eked out a living writing scripts for the
booming movie industry. His voice can be heard on a
film set in the Amazon, produced by Walt Disney.
Nine years later he returned to Buenos Aires, then
Dusseldorf, West Germany, and ***established a firm
that developed not movie scripts, but anti-chemical
warfare agents for the government.*** At the Industrie
Club in Dsseldorf in 1982, von Blcher boasted to
journalists, "I am chief shareholder of Pan
American Airways. I am the best friend of Howard
Hughes. The Beach Hotel in Las Vegas is 45 percent
financed by me. I am thus the biggest financier
ever to appear in the Arabian Nights tales dreamed
up by these people over their second bottle of
brandy."

MORE NAZI FINANCIERS: MOSES ANNENBERG
AND WALTER ANNENBERG

Not really. Two the biggest financiers to stumble
from the drunken dreams of world-moving affluence
were, in their time, ***Moses Annenberg, publisher of
The Philadelphia Inquirer,*** and his son ***Walter , the
CIA/mob-anchored publisher of the TV Guide.*** Like
most American high-rollers, Annenberg lived a
double life. Moses, his father, was a scion of the
Capone mob. Both Moses and Walter were indicted in
1939 for tax evasions totalling many millions of
dollars - the biggest case in the history of the
Justice Department. Moses pled guilty and agreed to
pay the government $8 million and settle $9 million
in assorted tax claims, penalties and interest
debts. Moses received a three-year sentence. He
died in Lewisburg Penitentiary.

Walter Annenberg, the TV Guide magnate, was a lofty
Republican. On the campaign trail in April, 1988,
George Bush flew into Los Angeles to woo Reagan's
kitchen cabinet. "This is the topping on the cake,"
Bush's regional campaign director told the Los
Angeles Times. The Bush team met at Annenberg's
plush Rancho Mirage estate at Sunnylands,
California. It was at the Annenberg mansion that
Nixon's cabinet was chosen, and the state's social
and contributor registers built over a
quarter-century of state political dominance by
***Ronald Reagan, whose acting career was launched by
Operation MOCKINGBIRD.***

REAGAN AND CIA; OPERATION OCTOPUS

The commercialization of television, coinciding
with ***Reagan's recruitment by the Crusade for
Freedom, a CIA front,*** presented the intelligence
world with unprecedented potential for sowing
propaganda and even prying in the age of Big
Brother. George Orwell glimpsed the possibilities
when he installed omniscient video surveillance
technology in 1948, a novel rechristened 1984 for
the first edition published in the U.S. by
Harcourt, Brace. Operation Octopus, according to
federal files, was in full swing by 1948, a
surveillance program that turned any television set
with tubes into a broadcast transmitter. Agents of
Octopus could pick up audio and visual images with
the equipment as far as 25 miles away.

HALE BOGGS DISAPPEARED INVESTIGATING
OPERATION OCTOPUS, DURING WATERGATE PROBE

Hale Boggs was investigating Operation Octopus at
the time of his disappearance in the midst of the
Watergate probe.

In 1952, at MCA, ***Actors' Guild president Ronald
Reagan*** - a screen idol recruited by MOCKINGBIRD's
Crusade for Freedom to raise funds for the
resettlement of Nazis in the U.S., according to
Loftus - signed a secret waiver of the
conflict-of-interest rule with the mob-controlled
studio, in effect granting it a labor monopoly on
early television programming. In exchange, MCA made
Reagan a part owner.

REAGAN: FBI INFORMER, REAGAN HAD AN FBI INFORMER'S CODE "T-10"

Furthermore, historian C. Vann Woodward,
writing in the New York Times, in 1987,
reported that Reagan had "fed the names of suspect
people in his organization to the FBI secretly and
regularly enough to be assigned 'an informer's code
number, T-10.' His FBI file indicates intense
collaboration with producers to 'purge' the
industry of subversives."

WALTER CRONKITE: FORMER INTELLIGENCE OFFICER,
UPI'S MOSCOW CORRESPONDENT, LURED TO CBS LATER

No one ever turned a suspicious eye on ***Walter
Cronkite, a former intelligence officer*** and in the
immediate postwar period UPI's Moscow
correspondent. Cronkite was lured to CBS by
Operation MOCKINGBIRD's Phil Graham, according to
Deborah Davis.

CAP CITIES, ANOTHER CIA TELEVISION CONGLOMERATE

Another television conglomerate, Cap Cities, rose
like a horror-film simian from CIA and Mafia heroin
operations. Among other organized-crime
Republicans, Thomas Dewey and his neighbor Lowell
Thomas threw in to launch the infamous Resorts
International, the corporate front for Lansky's
branch of the federally-sponsored mob family and
the corporate precursor to Cap Cities. Another of
the investors was James Crosby, a Cap Cities
executive who donated $100,000 to Nixon's 1968
presidential campaign. This was the year that
Resorts bought into Atlantic City casino interests.
Police in New jersey attempted, with no success, to
spike the issuance of a gambling license to the
company, citing Mafia ties.

CAP CITIES CHIEF COUNCIL WAS WILLIAM CASEY, OSS VETERAN,
CASEY LATER THE HEAD OF THE CIA IN THE 1980s

In 1954, this same circle of investors, all
Catholics, founded the broadcasting company
notorious for overt propagandizing and general
spookiness. The company's chief counsel was OSS
veteran William Casey, who clung to his shares by
concealing them in a blind trust even after he was
appointed CIA director by Ronald Reagan in 1981.

"Black radio" was the phrase CIA critic David Wise
coined in The Invisible Government to describe the
agency's intertwining interests in the emergence of
the transistor radio with the entrepreneurs who
took to the airwaves. "Daily, East and West beam
hundreds of propaganda broadcasts at each other in
an unrelenting babble of competition for the minds
of their listeners. The low-price transistor has
given the hidden war a new importance," enthused
one foreign correspondent.

PRIVATE FOUNDATIONS WITH CIA LINKS, USING PUBLIC MONEY
FOR PROPOGANDA

A Hydra of private foundations sprang up to finance
the propaganda push. One of them, Operations and
Policy Research, Inc. (OPR), received hundreds of
thousands of dollars from the CIA through private
foundations and trusts. OPR research was the basis
of a television series that aired in New York and
Washington, D.C. in 1964, Of People and Politics, a
"study" of the American political system in 21
weekly installments.

CHICAGO MOB AND CIA IN THE FILM INDUSTRY IN HOLLYWOOD

COLUMBIA PICTURES HEAD VISITS BENITO MUSSOLINI IN 1933,
REMODELED HIS OFFICE AFTER BENITO'S

In Hollywood, the visual cortex of The Beast, the
same CIA/Mafia combination that formed Cap Cities
sank its claws into the film studios and labor
unions. Johnny Rosselli was pulled out of the Army
during the war by a criminal investigation of
Chicago mobsters in the film industry. Rosselli, a
CIA asset probably assassinated by the CIA, played
sidekick to Harry Cohn, the Columbia Pictures mogul
who visited Italy's Benito Mussolini in 1933, and
upon his return to Hollywood remodeled his office
after the dictator's. The only honest job Rosselli
ever had was assistant purchasing agent (and a
secret investor) at Eagle Lion productions, run by
Bryan Foy, a former producer for 20th Century Fox.
Rosselli, Capone's representative on the West
Coast, passed a small fortune in mafia investments
to Cohn. Bugsy Seigel pooled gambling investments
with Billy Wilkerson, publisher of the Hollywood
Reporter.

BY 1950s, CIA SPENDING 1/3 OF ITS BUDGET ON GLOBAL PROPAGANDA

COST BY 1978 FOR THIS GLOBAL 'CIA NEWS WIRE':
$265 MILLION A YEAR, BUDGET LARGER THAN
REUTERS, UPI, AND AP WIRES COMBINED

In the 1950s, outlays for global propaganda climbed
to a full third of the CIA's covert operations
budget. Some 3, 000 salaried and contract CIA
employees were eventually engaged in propaganda
efforts. The cost of disinforming the world cost
American taxpayers an estimated $265 million a year
by 1978, a budget larger than the combined
expenditures of Reuters, UPI and the AP news
syndicates.

COPELY NEWS SERVICE AND THE CIA, ADMITTAL IN 1977,
23 COPELY NEWS SERVICE EMPLOYEES WERE FULL TIME
CIA EMPLOYEES

In 1977, the Copely News Service admitted that it
worked closely with the intelligence services - in
fact, 23 employees were full-time employees of the
Agency.

Most consumers of the corporate media were - and
are - unaware of the effect that the salting of
public opinion has on their own beliefs. A network
anchorman in time of national crisis is an
instrument of psychological warfare in the
MOCKINGBIRD media. He is a creature from the
national security sector's chamber of horrors. For
this reason consumers of the corporate press have
reason to examine their basic beliefs about
government and life in the parallel universe of
these United States.



3.

Denial, fear of facts, or inabilty to discrimiate between facts and interpretations is a poor hallmark of journalism.

to 9-11 "researcher" 08.Feb.2004 16:24

jamie

you may have noticed that I wrapped the word diverted in quotes. as you may have figured out for yourself, the hijacked flights weren't actually diverted. so that entry in the database is a misnomer. the on-time flight database has no category for 'crashed'. it is arguably more accurate to remove these four flights from the on-time database (as the two were), as the flights were never completed. this database is used to calculate a flight's/airline's on-time performance.

in any event, you claim in your post that the flights were "unscheduled for that day". the absence of these flights in the on-time database has absolutely no relationship to them being unscheduled. as another reader mentioned, air traffic control doesn't allow unscheduled flights to take off willy nilly.

so, yes, i may have been sloppy in my use of the word "diverted". and i also intentionally used the word 'obviously'. any journalist that equates this regularly scheduled flight's absense from an on-time performance database on the day it crashed as proof it was "unscheduled" is very desperate. anybody can publish whatever they want on the web. but in my journalism class, this quality of journalism would not be acceptable.

Dear Researcher 10.Feb.2004 22:23

Dagny

You seem quite sure in your position that 9-11 was an act commited not by Muslim terrorists, but by elements in the US government. Please tell me why everybody smarter than you ridicules your position. Given your take on these events, there would need to be thousands of people involved in this conspiracy -- everybody from air traffic controllers allowing non-scheduled flights to take off, minimum wage security personnel at WTC who saw people bring in tons of explosives to rig the towers, American and United Airlines ground crews who loaded the unscheduled flights, voice experts who faked the calls to loved ones from the buildings and planes, the country's most prominent engineers and metalurgists who must have faked the ASCE reports, etc. Yet not a single one of these people have come forward. Your ilk claim that hijackers are still alive. Why hasn't somebody gone to Saudi Arabia to interview any of these allegedly living people (that appeared on the list of hijackers published by the government last summer)? There are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made by the media outlet that breaks your story. Why haven't they gone after the money?

to all: WTC1 ENTRY GASH DISCREPANCY: WTC1 FLASH; ETC. 16.Feb.2004 11:25

ad nauseum

To Dagny:

Because the United States is so corrupt at this stage it is simply an efficient method of publicly funding corporate organized crime. Remember, Vote Bones, and vote often.


To Jamie, who asks:

"...in any event, you claim in your post that the flights were "unscheduled for that day". the absence of these flights in the on-time database has absolutely no relationship to them being unscheduled. as another reader mentioned, air traffic control doesn't allow unscheduled flights to take off willy nilly."

Hi Jamie,

a. Then what explains the difference? Why were the two American Airlines planes left out of the database while the other United Air Lines planes are in the database?

b. Furthermore, why are AA11 and AA77 are scheduled on all days before September 11, 2001, then they are unscheduled [missing from the database] for September 11th, then they are scheduled once more after September 11.

c. Furthermore, why are UAL93 and UAL175 treated differently in the database?

d. Keeping (a), in mind, it is particularly interesting that the two database-missing planes, AA77 and AA11, both failed to hit the Pentagon or WTC1, respectively. The reasonable solution is that something else was on the tarmac and it was telling the tower it was AA11, or the tower personnel were in on it. As I said, if you want to be a journalist, call American Airlines and get their official word why AA11 and AA77 are scheduled on all days before September 11, 2001, then they are unscheduled for September 11th, then they are scheduled once more after September 11. Call the Pentagon and ask why the claimed story about AA77 hitting the Pentagon is obviously false because
(1) of the immaculate clean lawn after it hit [and why dump tons of dirt on the lawn, after around 30 police/security personnel 'walk the line' picking up with their bare hands tiny tiny pieces of whatever hit the building?]
(2) because the hole that the 'plane' made in the Pentagon wall is unable to take a Boeing jet into it, and
(3) the explosion signature released on those five frames of anonymously delivered video from the Pentagon in early 2002 shows something different than a jet fuel fire exploding.
(4) Why was the FBI ready within minutes of the hit to confiscate the video from the guard camera at the Pentagon? Then why did the Pentagon lie and say they were without video, then they release five frames anonymously--with the supposed AA77 edited out? If they wanted to assure us it was the AA77 that hit the building, they would show us. Since they edited it out of the video, and because they dropped it off anonymously to the corporate media, and since the time-date stamp is all messed up on these frames, it is evidence that there has been some serious image manipulation before it was released. Why?

c. From the other end of the story: where the supposed AA11 hit. See the video, related to WTC1. Then what is this? It is NOT AA11, which the 'governmental conspiracy theory' would claim it to be. Civilian jet liners are without a laser attack mode last time I checked, though you had better ask Boeing about their currently operational Boeing *747* laser plane model just to be sure, which would be just a bit smaller in wingspan than the Boeing 767-223ER the government claims hit the WTC1, and furthermore, fits the actual entry gash of the WTC1 better than a 767....

d. Do you have any comment about the Project Mockingbird article? Or is "ignore and move on" a good journalistic mode to operate in when you are face to face with 50 years of covert operation infiltration--and even founding--of select organs of the US corporate media?

e. on the AA11 substitute issue:

WTC1 911 hit: ISRAELI-&-US MILITARY CONNECTION strong in laser plane technology
More smoking (laser) guns, with clear fingerprints shared by the 9-11 beneficiaries. Read this article on the wire for more information:
WTC1 9-11 plane had BRIGHT FLASH before striking showing IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL JET [see images]
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/275927.shtml [THE VIDEO LINK I RECOMMEND IS AT A LOWER COMMENT WHERE THERE ARE TWO PICTURES THEN A VIDEO ICON.]
Did the US government use the WTC1 hit as an experimental test of the laser plane technology?
"An Israeli super-efficient laser developed at Ben Gurion University has caught the eye of the U.S. security establishment. The development of a Chemical Oxygen-Iodine Laser. . ."
WTC1 Naudet video flash [Quicktime (.mov, -400K)], larger than original .gif
 http://media.portland.indymedia.org/media/2004/01/278031.mov

Accuracy is important when rebutting the official story 18.Feb.2004 13:39

mark

Holgrem's comment:

More recently, its become widely accepted on the basis of video evidence that the object which hit the
North Tower of the WTC at 8.46 that morning was not the hijacked Boeing 767, American Airlines Flight
11, as claimed in the official story.

   http://home.earthlink.net/~whatzit
   http://thewebfairy.com/whatzit/index2.html


This is nonsense.

Claiming this is "widely accepted" even among 9/11 researchers is blatant disinformation.

Either this person is unaware of basic standards of accuracy and evidence, or it is an effort to muddy the waters with obviously untrue material.

The "proof" that Flight 11 didn't hit the WTC is a couple of very blurry pictures at low resolution that prove nothing. The hole made in the building clearly shows large holes made by wings.


For accurate information on the likelihood that remote control systems were used in the Boeings, see

  http://www.oilempire.us/remote.html

  http://www.911-strike.com


It is highly unlikely that a flight school drop out flew in a high speed spiral into the nearly empty part of the Pentagon ...

good point 19.Feb.2004 16:34

jamie

"As I said, if you want to be a journalist, call American Airlines and get their official word why AA11 and AA77 are scheduled on all days before September 11, 2001, then they are unscheduled for September 11th, then they are scheduled once more after September 11."

good point. before the "journalist" who wrote the story you refer to published his findings, he/she should have called the airlines and the DOT and found out why the airlines differ in how they categorize crashed flights in the on-time database. do you seriously believe that these flights were not scheduled that day?

answer dagny's question. how many thousands of people are involved in your conspiracy? don't forget to add in the thousands of airline workers who knew that these regularly scheduled flights were not scheduled that day. and nobody is talking. what a perfect conspiracy. you'd think they would have been smart enough to add the two flights to the database so supersleuths like you wouldn't upset the perfect crime. give me a break.

2 questions asked, 1 question answered 20.Feb.2004 21:48

ad nauseum

1.

you are fixated on the WTC1 flight itself even though it had nothing to do with the collapse of the buildings, and it

a) made entirely different sized holes in WTC1 than if it was an actual 767?

b FEMA lied about the size of the hole in their drawings to cover this up.

c) that this plane somehow caused 20+ floors above the crash on the south face of WTC, multiple explosions to erupt from the 115th floor on the east face and the south face that were unconnected with the hit?

d) that this plane somehow caused 10 seconds of seismic record when it crashed, when the whole bloody (and I mean that literally) building collapsing took only 8 seconds?

e) that the towers collapsed due to internal demolitions, floor by floor, which had nothing to do with the planes anyway? If the collapses had nothing to do with the planes, surely that makes you skepctical about the planes themselves, particularly when AA11 and AA77 fail to fit their governmental conspiracy theory story--because the holes and explosions are entirely wrong for a jet fuel fire in both cases?

f) you still have yet to tell me what you think about CIA covert infiltration of all of the USA's media since the 1950s? ;-) William Colby, before he 'died' (rigth before he was scheduled for Congressional testimony, strange about that), was quoted saying that the CIA owns "everyone of importance" in the US media. Though your silence tells me everything, I think.

g) do you reasonably expect American Airlines to tell you the truth? They have refused all comments about it in the name of "national security" (national embarrassment?) in the past.

h) why did Bush and Cheney both contact Daschle to tell him personally to limit the 9-11 investigation?

i) what do you make of the seismic records of the WTC1 and WTC2 collapses?

I could go on and on, though the alphabet has only 26 letters--far from enough. The plane is the red herring, it is the cover story for something entirely different that caused the towers to collapse. It is a small puzzle piece of a larger story.

2.

I'd like to hear what you think happened then, to use your phrase "what you seriously believe." Outline the events of 9-11 for me.

3.

Dear Ask a 9-11 Researcher:

Jamie asks, in a mocking tone:

"answer dagny's question. how many thousands of people are involved in your conspiracy?"

First, it is certainly "not my conspiracy." If it was, I would be very rich right now from all those stock trades--make through a CIA connected bank. Anyway, all information I source comes from either governmental documents or the media itself in rare bits and pieces. It's their own fault that they are sloppy creating a cover trail, likely one of the rationales why Condi Rice refuses to testify under oath. Hard to keep your lies straight and remember how you lied before. Partcularly crucial are the ways that the offical story sometimes contradicts itself, or even changes overnight without any evidence to back it up, or a sudden denial there was evidence. For instance, tell me once more, exactly what is the current rationale for Bush invading Iraq? That is what I mean: it went from 'WMDs, bioterror weapons, al-queda connections,' to er, scratch that, 'we simply wanted to get rid of a dictator and bring freedom,' er, no scratch that since we cancelled elelections, to 'we never ever said it was an al-queda connection (!?). Rumsfeld: "We know where the bioweapons are. They are around Tikrit." etc., etc., Then later: "I never said that." If someone keeps changing their rationale for what they did, then it is very likely that ALL of their rationales have been lies and little connected to their actual motivations. Another issue would be how Meuller said there was so much paper trail in 2001.............and by summer 2002, he was denying there was any papertrail.

Second, I thought I did. Perhaps only around 100 or so, though they are all systemic actors, and administrative appointees, giving them the power to squelch intelligence investigations or fire people (as the multiple complaints of many 'grass roots' agents in the CIA and the FBI attest to in the months leading up to 9-11), as well as the ability to squelch media investigations or fire people (as media personnel were fired or threatened as well.)

That's not very realistic 21.Feb.2004 12:02

Dagny

"Perhaps only around 100 or so, though they are all systemic actors, and administrative appointees, giving them the power to squelch intelligence investigations or fire people (as the multiple complaints of many 'grass roots' agents in the CIA and the FBI attest to in the months leading up to 9-11), as well as the ability to squelch media investigations or fire people (as media personnel were fired or threatened as well.)"

The flight crews that normally handled those "unscheduled" flights number around 100 people (the several teams of pilots and flight attendants). These are just normal people. Yea, perhaps the pilots are former military men. But the rest are regular civilians. Why haven't they come forward to tell anybody that these regularly scheduled flights weren't scheduled that day? Or I suppose in your conspiracy theory that the government has had them all murdered? But then there families would have come forward. I suppose the government had the families murdered too? But then friends and coworkers...

not that rich 21.Feb.2004 13:47

jamie

"First, it is certainly "not my conspiracy." If it was, I would be very rich right now from all those stock trades--make through a CIA connected bank."

i've studied this issue for my report. here is how rich you would be:

On Sept. 10, 2001, put options on AMR were 17 times their average volume of 269 contracts. If you purchased ALL of the contracts (right to buy/sell 100 shares) that were above the average and you timed it perfectly to maximize your profit,

$10 profit * 100 shares per contract * 4304 contracts = $430,000


On Sept. 6, 2001, UAL put options were traded at more than four times their average volume of 711 contracts. If you purchased ALL of the contracts that were above the average and you timed it perfectly to maximize your profit,

$15 profit * 100 shares per contract * 2133 contracts = $320,000

Total profit = $750,000
It would cost you more than that to purchase the explosives that brought down the towers ;-)

Jamie, this conversation has turned into an interesting pattern... 23.Feb.2004 15:04

ad nauseum

Jamie basically says "I AR So Smart!"

I think you're a troll, Jamie: only a troll would admit that there was pre-sales and then entirely skip the POINT about foreknowledge, and the POINT about no one being arrested, even though SEC knows who did it. Really, these issues are important. The attempt to isolate a witty comment of mine as some serious research statement and then showing your stuff is pure disinformation tactic.

Honestly, your research stuff has failed to coup much reward it seems. You have not studied that very well, because you would know there was a lot more than these two corporations. And you selectively left out lots of information as well, which strikes me a curious. Ignorance or bliss, Jamie?

For instance as a test I was expecting you to say something about this: Within a week of 9-11, up to 1200% above normal trading on put options implies foreknowlege of how 9-11 would effect four corporations' stocks shortly: United and American Airlines (planes in 9-11), and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., and Merrill Lynch & Co.. Expected foreknowledge profit, respectively: $5M, $4M, $1.2M, & $5.5M. Thats FOUR right there, instead of two.

September 6-10, 2001:�Suspicious trading occurs on American and United, the two airlines used in the 9/11 attacks. "Between 6 and 7 September, The Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put option contracts [a speculation that the stock will go down] in UAL versus 396 call options - where a speculator bets on a price rising. Holders of the put options would have netted a profit of $5 million once the carrier's share price dived after September 11. On 10 September, more trading in Chicago saw the purchase of 4,516 put options in American Airlines, the other airline involved in the hijackings. This compares with a mere 748 call options in American purchased that day. Investigators cannot help but notice that no other airlines saw such trading in their put options." One analyst says: "I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of following the markets, particularly the options markets." [Associated Press, 9/18/01, San Francisco Chronicle, 9/19/01] "To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the "put" options ... on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by "Buzzy" Krongard, now executive director of the CIA."�Krongard was chairman of Alex Brown Inc., which was bought by Deutsche Bank. "His last post before resigning to take his senior role in the CIA was to head Bankers Trust - Alex Brown's private client business, dealing with the accounts and investments of wealthy customers around the world." [Independent, 10/14/01] FTW Doesn't this hint that the CIA and some wealthy elites had 9/11 foreknowledge? Why didn't this cause a storm of media attention and further investigation?

September 6-10, 2001 (B):�The Chicago Board Options Exchange sees suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants. An average of 3,053 put options in Merrill Lynch are bought between September 6-10, compared to an average of 252 in the previous week.�Merrill Lynch, another WTC tenant, see 12,215 put options bought between September 7-10, when the previous days had seen averages of 252 contracts a day.�[Independent, 10/14/01] Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg Business News: "This would be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence." [ABC News, 9/20/01] FTW

SEC has this information, ALWAYS, in real time, though they refuse to talk, they are part of the coverup.

US told Canada to remove the publicly posted list of DOZENS OF OTHER COMPANIES that were being investigated as 'bets on terror' short sales--in addition to the main ones above.

Some guy even withdrew his children's trust funds to make stock speculations in the days before 9-11: certainly felt it would be a sure thing to risk one's children's future like that. This guy was connected with two FBI offiers--who were later arrested for fraud!

Moreover, trades went through CIA-officer affliated banks (at least their ex-personnel, look up Buzzy Krongard). On March 26, 2001, Krongard is appointed Executive Director of the CIA by Bush. He was the officer of A. B. Brown previously, specializing in hyper-rich clients who are extremely private. Later this bank was bought up by Deutchbank, which became in the days after 9-11 the largest bank in Europe. Deutchebank's history: it funded the Nazis in WWII.

Moreover, something else you missed: there has been around 100 million dollars of money laundering: suspicious attempts to run lots of money through several bank computers in the Towers in the very minutes of the hits. Recovered hard drives from the Towers were sent to a German company (that charges around $20,000 per hard drive) to recover data to verify. The client has maintained anonymity, though it was in regular German media coverage.

You're starting to bore me Jamie. It seems that you always provide nothing and are only interested in chipping away at entirely personal details. I answer you're questions. you have avoided all of mine: the main one is, what is your scenario of what happened on 9-11?

Until you answer this and at least half a dozen other questions, I'd prefer to stop letting you get your kicks out of this, you know, with me humoring you, you know what I mean? I suggest you head to:

 http://www.cooperativeresearch.org

By the way it was a bit more than you said:
September 10, 2001 (H): The trading ratio on United Airlines is 25 times greater than normal at the Pacific Exchange. Pacific Exchange officials later *****decline to state if this abnormality is being investigated. [San Francisco Chronicle, 9/19/01]*****

Jamie I hear the police don't necessarily require a high school education. You should drop out now and get a job that will pay you for your time here.

thank -you for restoring my faith in humanity 03.Aug.2005 11:51

tracy brown puresexkitt@yahoo.com

your article is one of a dozen or so on such subjects able to restore my hope for humanity.In the months following 911 I struggled against an onslaught of jeers from those I knew because of my own deep misgivings about the reported "facts" offered the public.and though I couldn't put my finger on it I knew somthing wasn't right.My own investigation uncovered no answers only more questions.Those who choose to ignore this terrible attempt at fooling the aberican people are in my eyes worthy of the b.s. they most certainly will endure from the government.Our ability to decern from the laws of physics the irregularity of their story would seem enough to alert people and it s lack of coverage is a scary testament of how far from truth their story probably is

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