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What Murder Looks Like...

Graphic video clip from U.S. military showing your tax dollars at work.
U.S. Military Video Clip
U.S. Military Video Clip
WARNING: graphic violence! Technological murder is neither "cool" nor "liberating". Every U.S. taxpayer supports this. What are YOU going to do about it?

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Awsome 21.Jan.2004 14:48

Art Vandalae

Awsome! Totally awsome!

transcript excerpt 21.Jan.2004 15:35


1st guy: "There's movement...roger, he's wounded..." (wounded man writhes in agony on ground, obviously not a threat...)
2nd guy: "Hit him"
1st guy: "hit the truck..."
2nd guy: "hit him! hit him, hit the truck, go forward on it...hit him" (gunfire, and the wounded, inapacitated human on the ground is blown apart by some sort of explosive, rapid fire ammunition)
1st guy: "roger..."

another day, another kill 21.Jan.2004 16:24


Winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis one kill at a time.
At this rate they'll be showering our boys and girls in uniform with flowers any day now.


This is why Bush rejected the International Criminal Court 21.Jan.2004 16:29

The Sane Left

This clip was on the news last week showing US soldiers murdering wounded Iraqis. There is no doubt these are war crimes and should be prosecuted as such in the International Criminal Court. Problem is Bush has said US soldiers are immune from prosecution for war crimes. The reasoning is clear: if they prosecute the perpetrators the leadership would be next...just as Serb war criminals led to Milosevic...so Bush is just covering his ass.

War Criminals 21.Jan.2004 22:12

Third party observer

Free advise: go out and find yourself some books or information on the rules governing armed conflicts and International Laws of war. You will find out that "wasting" wounded soldiers while in an engagement is not a crime. I know, I know, its tough to swallow with all those conspiracy theories out there and such. But try not to think overly abstract about it. Its quite a simple concept.

no need for books 22.Jan.2004 00:26

a messenger

International law is online.

1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

-- Article 3 of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War

another excerpt 22.Jan.2004 00:44


You guys engaging?
You see 'em with the weapons in their hands?
They went out into the field and threw it.
Yup, engage, smoke 'em.
They saw the weapon in their hand. They through 'em down right next to their vehicle...

Transcriber's note: It appears as though the decision to engage was based on the report that these individuals had weapons in their hands or had thrown them down "right next to their vehicle" neither of which was true.

It's PORN you guys 22.Jan.2004 00:50


ABC News is now in the business of distributing pornography. Whatever will they think of next

Here's a link to some good commentary on this little video  http://www.unknownnews.net/040120warcrime.html

Perle's of Pragmatism (Homage to "Third party observer") 22.Jan.2004 12:23


Another admonition to eschew "overly abstract" thinking:

"If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war ...our children will sing great songs about us years from now."
- Richard Perle.

It wasn't an RPG 15.Jul.2004 08:15


I hate to say this but that "weapon" they were holding was not a weapon.

It was clearly an object used to signal the farmer approaching in his tractor that his relief had arrived.

He probably ran because the tractor was approaching, and he wanted to get the signal down before the tractor passed.

They were operating at night because farmers often get up early early in the morning to work. I imagine it's very difficult in the desert to work during the day. (Read Lawrence of Arabia's memoirs - the Arabs often would travel at night to avoid the midday heat.)

The pole with a flag was probably used because the drivers had a habit of focussing on the ground, to ensure they were plowing correctly. In similar occupations - such as surveying, staking lines for geological exploration and whatnot - similar objects (stakes, flags, tags tied on trees) are used as signal markers.

If the helicopters pilots had despatched some personnel to question these farmers, I'm certain they would have found out what was going on.

I'm not at all left-wing - I supported going into Iraq. Nevertheless, this video disturbed me. Just because a guy runs and he's holding a long object doesn't mean it's a weapon and doesn't mean he's an insurgent.

Go for the 'tractor marker!' 08.Oct.2004 10:05

The mino king

The video clearly shows that the 2nd man down, the one who had originaly let the "marker" down in the field, was furiously trying to unwrap it...while under fire...
If this was a marker, it must have been very special to him, or perhaps his furious unwrapping means that he thought whatever it was...would save his life. Not a lot of "markers" i know would stand much of a chance against an apache.
not even a sharpy.

Great video! 18.Dec.2004 18:30


Way too much dialog and analysis. Let's see more of the same. . .