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Why the troops should get out RIGHT NOW

We shouldn't forget that the Iraqis managed to organize their own society for about 3,000 years before Bush decided they needed a U.S. military occupation. It is nothing more than ignorant racism to assume the Iraqi people can't run their own country without proconsul L. Paul Bremer and President George W. Bush. Maybe there will be bloodshed, a civil war and a period of unrest until the Iraqis figure out who is going to be in charge. America had one of those from 1860 to 1865 and no one-not the British, not the French, not the Russians-had a right to interfere.
This button from the 60s is more relevant than ever right now
This button from the 60s is more relevant than ever right now
It is a common argument that the U.S. can't just "cut and run" from Iraq. The argument is usually accompanied by some reference to "chaos" in Iraq and the need for the U.S., "now that we're there," to stay and set things right.

An old story from Vietnam days comes to mind. Somebody asked a soldier who was against the war, "How can we leave Vietnam?" The answer: "Ship or plane, either is good."

What would happen if the U.S. military left Iraq and all the troops came home now?

Perhaps some Iraqi multimillionaires will buy up the government and pocket the oil money. That is the American way. Perhaps Shiite political parties will get control of the government. In Turkey, an Islamic political party is in control of the government, and this government is a U.S. ally. The same holds true for Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Washington politicians use "Islamic fundamentalism" as a bogey to scare people into supporting the occupation. They don't care about the rights of Iraqi women, or religious minorities or democracy-they are concerned only for power and profits.

Perhaps the millions of Iraqi workers who live in the cities will organize their own party and fight for their own interests and agenda-to use Iraq's oil wealth to improve the lives of ordinary Iraqis (instead of the oil wealth being siphoned off by U.S. interests). Maybe there will be bloodshed, a civil war and a period of unrest until the Iraqis figure out who is going to be in charge. America had one of those from 186065 and no one-not the British, not the French, not the Russians-had a right to interfere.

But one thing there won't be is a foreign, invading, occupying military power suffocating all of Iraqi society and generating a national resistance movement that makes the whole country a war zone.

We shouldn't forget that the Iraqis managed to organize their own society for about 3,000 years before Bush decided they needed a U.S. military occupation. Before the U.S. invasion, Iraq was one of the few Muslim countries where city life was more like Europe than it is in Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia or other medieval regimes that are cozy with the Bush administration. It is nothing more than ignorant racism to assume the Iraqi people can't run their own country without proconsul L. Paul Bremer and President George W. Bush.

And while no one knows exactly what will happen in Iraq when the U.S. leaves, a few things are for sure. Not a single American soldier will be killed by Iraqis who want to run their own country. No Iraqis fighting for independence will get killed by American soldiers. If the U.S. is forced out of Iraq, it will make the U.S. government think twice about further military interference in that region and the world, and give confidence to people everywhere fighting for a better world. That is why we say: Brings them home now.

 http://www.isreview.org/issues/33/editorials.shtml
dennis kucinich will bring them home! 10.Jan.2004 10:04

wideawakeinamerica

Anyone who believes that we need to stay to make things right has no clue what we have been doing over in Iraq. The longer we stay the worse it gets. We will never make things right, that aint what this is all about. They hate us because we drop cluster bombs on them, privatize their resources, handcuff their daughters....

Here is a great speech from Martin Luther King about the Vietnam war....just how did everyone move past that one without learning their lessons? Play this on Martin Luther King day on January 18, inspire others...inspire yourself.

 http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=8363

more great peace songs and speeches at
 http://www.benfrank.net/nuke/Free_Peace_mp3s.html

Kucinich wants US occupiers to be replaced by UN occupiers 10.Jan.2004 12:48

GRINGO STARS

Just like Howard Dean, fake pacifist Kucinich, advocate of a "strong military", wants Iraq to be occupied by coalition UN forces;
 http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/kucinich.shtml

Iraqis hate the US for a variety of excellent reasons, but they also hate the fact that they themselves cannot run their own affairs, which would still be a problem if the UN occupies their country. Changing the color of the helmets of their occupiers will only help so much.

When they do come home 10.Jan.2004 13:16

Major W

There's a good article in Newsweek about the nightmares that await troops once they actually do come home--the post traumatic stress, the nightmares, etc.... it also looks at ways that soldiers are being doped up to keep them fighting while they're still there.