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THE HOFFMAN WIRE
Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
January 2, 2004
Finally, the Truth About Who Killed Christ
Dear Mr. Hoffman
Does this Los Angeles Times article (see below) coincide with your own
reading of the Talmud?
Yes, I forced these revelations out of them. First, by conveying this
information to Mel Gibson (through an intermediary) many months ago.
Gibson was thus armed with the actual, hardcore Antichrist Talmud
passages in the original Aramaic, at a time when The Lobby was trying to
buffalo him on this subject.
Second, when the ADL issued a news release against my book, "Judaism's
Strange Gods," I responded with these facts which Klinghoffer read on my
web page and then reproduced (without attribution) in "Forward."
Whether or not I recive the credit, this is a great revelation reversing
centuries of Judaic propaganda on this issue. Many Churchmen who fell
sucker to the agit-prop about Judaism being innocent of deicide, are now
Maimonides has been a kind of hero among kosher conservatives. I recall
that fraud, Malachi Martin, telling the naive goyim at the Birch Society
that he wanted to write a bookb±Ä8Õ@ë·à|£â` ø0ÝäV°es' "Guide for
(sic) the Perplexed." He was retailing a little Kabbalistic jest at
their expense and of course it went right over their heads.
More and more the reality of the Talmud is coming to the fore of the
discussion and guys like Klinghoffer feel compelled to admit brutal
Meanwhile the Hollywood ding-a-lings, led by "Madonna" are preparing to
troop off to Palestine to the grave of a notorous Kabbalistic rabbi, to
take part in the Lag B'omer festivities honoring Rav Shimon ben Yohai,
the rabbi who uttered the immortal words, "Even the best of the gentiles
should all be killed."
A lot of folks are dispirited by the Hollywood crowd's growing Kabbalah
fad, but I think it's hilarious. I happen to know that privately the
Haredi rabbis are fuming that the goyim are going to to attempt to visit
their icon's grave. They regard it as a desecration, but don't know what
to do because Madonna is spending big bucks to "beautify" Yohai's
Furthermore, have you noticed how Rabbi Shmuley Boteach has disappeared
from center ring in connection with the Michael Jackson circus? For
quite a while now Rabbi Boteach has been Jackson's much-publicized
"spiritual mentor." However, soon after the molestation charges made
headlines, Boteach did a disappearing act and --voila -- the "Nation of
Islam" organization is now fingered as Michael's religious connection.
Never fear. We live in the age of the making manifest of all that is
hidden. It's all coming out. But the deciding factor is not the
revelations themselves, but how we act upon them.
These are great days to be alive! The truth is forever young, while a
lie, as Chesterton said, is only young but once.
--Michael A. Hoffman II
'Passion' Follows the Scripture
Gibson's controversial film coincides closely with ancient Jewish
By David Klinghoffer
Los Angeles Times | January 1, 2004
Mel Gibson's forthcoming movie about the death of Jesus, "The Passion,"
has created an angry standoff between the filmmaker and Jewish critics
who charge him with anti-Semitism. It's a controversy that will continue
to affect relations between Christians and Jews unless some way to cool
it can be found. One possible cooling agent is an honest look at how
ancient Jewish sources portrayed the Crucifixion.
According to those who have seen a rough cut, Gibson's film depicts the
death of Christ as occurring at the hands of the Romans but at the
instigation of Jewish leaders, the priests of the Jerusalem Temple. The
Anti-Defamation League charges that this recklessly stirs anti-Jewish
hatred and demands that the film be edited to eliminate any suggestion
of Jewish deicide.
But like the Christian Gospels that form the basis of Gibson's
screenplay, Jewish tradition acknowledges that our leaders in 1st
century Palestine played a role in Jesus' execution. If Gibson is an
anti-Semite, so is the Talmud and so is the greatest Jewish sage of the
past 1,000 years, Maimonides.
We will never know for certain what happened in Roman Palestine around
the year 30, but we do know what Jews who lived soon afterward said
about Jesus' execution.
The Talmud was compiled in about the year 500, drawing on rabbinic
material that had been transmitted orally for centuries. From the 16th
century on, the text was censored and passages about Jesus and his
execution were erased to evade Christian wrath. But the full text was
preserved in older manuscripts, and today the censored parts may be
found in minuscule type, as an appendix at the back of some Talmud
A relevant example comes from the Talmudic division known as Sanhedrin,
which deals with procedures of the Jewish high court: "On the eve of
Passover they hung Jesus of Nazareth. And the herald went out before him
for 40 days [saying, 'Jesus] goes forth to be stoned, because he has
practiced magic, enticed and led astray Israel. Anyone who knows
anything in his favor, let him come and declare concerning him.' And
they found nothing in his favor."
The passage indicates that Jesus' fate was entirely in the hands of the
Jewish court. The last two of the three items on Jesus' rap sheet, that
he "enticed and led astray" fellow Jews, are terms from Jewish biblical
law for an individual who influenced others to serve false gods, a crime
punishable by being stoned, then hung on a wooden gallows. In the
Mishnah, the rabbinic work on which the Talmud is based, compiled about
the year 200, Rabbi Eliezer explains that anyone who was stoned to death
would then be hung by his hands from two pieces of wood shaped like a
capital letter T in other words, a cross (Sanhedrin 6:4).
These texts convey religious beliefs, not necessarily historical facts.
The Talmud elsewhere agrees with the Gospel of John that Jews at the
time of the Crucifixion did not have the power to carry out the death
penalty. Also, other Talmudic passages place Jesus 100 years before or
after his actual lifetime. Some Jewish apologists argue that these must
therefore deal with a different Jesus of Nazareth. But this is not how
the most authoritative rabbinic interpreters, medieval sages like
Nachmanides, Rashi and the Tosaphists, saw the matter.
Maimonides, writing in 12th century Egypt, made clear that the Talmud's
Jesus is the one who founded Christianity. In his great summation of
Jewish law and belief, the Mishneh Torah, he wrote of "Jesus of
Nazareth, who imagined that he was the Messiah, but was put to death by
the court." In his "Epistle to Yemen," Maimonides states that "Jesus of
Nazareth interpreted the Torah and its precepts in such a fashion as to
lead to their total annulment. The sages, of blessed memory, having
become aware of his plans before his reputation spread among our people,
meted out fitting punishment to him."
It's unfair of Jewish critics to defame Gibson for saying what the
Talmud and Maimonides say, and what many historians say. Oddly, one of
the scholars who has most vigorously denounced Gibson Paula Fredriksen,
a professor of religious studies at Boston University is the author of
a meticulously researched book, "Jesus of Nazareth," that suggests it
was the high priests who informed on Jesus to the Roman authorities.
Would it have been better if Gibson never undertook to make this movie
in exactly the way he did? Maybe, but trying to intimidate him into
fundamentally reworking it was never a realistic or worthy goal. The
best option now is to acknowledge that other sources besides the Gospels
confirm the involvement of Jewish leaders in Jesus' death and clear the
anger from the air. Considering that Gibson's portrayal coincides
closely with traditional Jewish belief, it seems that leaving him alone
is the decent as well as the Jewish thing to do.
David Klinghoffer is a columnist for the Jewish Forward and author of
the "The Discovery of God: Abraham and the Birth of Monotheism"
(Doubleday, 2003) and the upcoming "Why the Jews Rejected Christ: In
Search of the Turning Point in Western History."
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