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What are our goals? Which tactics work?


what is truly effective? we need to make plans, and soon. With the caveat of nonviolence (violence=physical or psychological harm to innocent folks), which tactics have been PROVEN effective in struggles against status quo power structures which are abusing their privilege?

The sooner we can start to agree on a general plan of action to restore our sovereignty as a people, restore our self-determination, and restore a truly civil society, the sooner it will happen.

This is NOT a pipe dream. These are strange times, with many unknowns, many mysterious factors, many untested strategies. We will never know freedom until we take steps towards freedom.

A little historical comparison: In the middle-to-late 1700s, American colonists realized they were getting screwed by their big brother/parent empire (Great Britain). Today, the situation has been translated to a new generation: the experimental republic of Jefferson (libertarian) and Hamilton (federalist) has succeeded become a global empire.

I choose the historical American analogy to bring my point "closer to home", although European history both recent (Germany, Italy in 1930s) and ancient (Roman Empire) provide valuable background for the events of this time and place.

This is only the beginning. If we are to prevail we must take measures immediately to build our numbers, our skills, our leverage.

At this point I feel it necessary to declare my allegiances - my preferred system of government would be a voluntary participatory democracy. Not too far off from Jefferson's vision... hindsight allows us to build upon the excellent foundation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Human Rights, etc.

Here are two fundamental, concrete goals to ponder, neither of which requires the breakdown of society, industry or economy:

  1. The absolute separation of corporation and state.
  2. The absolute freedom of the individual, as long as no harm is caused to others.

These are only my thoughts. It is so crucial to know what we all think needs to happen. We MUST focus our power and energy towards common goals; perhaps a manifesto is in order (much better would be a constitution, or another declaration of purpose and intention which relates to the current structure). It's up to you all to move this along.

We Been Workin' On It 23.Dec.2003 21:47

the multitude

Where have you been? Everyone else was at the meeting.

Why the hypocrisy? 24.Dec.2003 00:23


Why do you impose your "caveat of nonviolence"? Especially since you invoke "Jefferson's vision... the Constitution and Bill of Rights" - ALL of which were established by means of political violence. If not for the violence of the American Revolution, the British would not have been expelled and monarchy would have been the system instead of the corrupt republic.

Pacifism is a disease of white middle-class "activists" who don't want to trouble themselves too much.
Pacifism as Pathology by Ward Churchill;

Gringo 24.Dec.2003 00:42

Aunt Sam

You know that in the same book he aknowledges that the Pacifistic movement was needed as well inorder to get civil rights. Come on, there has to be a diversity of tactics. Not only that but noviolent training is essential to dealing with arrest scenarios. I would suggest nonviolent training for anyone who is an activist. Just because this person honestly states their desire to stick to their comfort level does not mean that pacifism does not have merits. However I suggest that anybody who participates in nonviolent training read Pacifism as Pathology. You can buy it at laughing Horse books. You can also get your Sling Shot there.

I agree, Auntie 24.Dec.2003 01:23


A diversity of tactics is definitely required, which is why I speak up whenever people rule out effective methods of real change, like violence for example.

clarification 24.Dec.2003 02:10


Sorry to not be more clear.. I will restate that in the context I propose, un-called for violence means physical or psychological harm to <b>innocent</b> folks. The people responsible for assaults on our selves and property, however, have placed themselves in an uncertain situation; hence the broad precautionary measures taken in recent years in anticipation of opposition.

I am not against a diversity of tactics. We should all feel free to do what we deem appropriate. My point is rather that we could be working toward concrete common goals through consensus.

Blind Obedience to Authority 24.Dec.2003 04:05


Just because Ward said it (whichever it he said) doesn't mean it is true.
No more than if George said it.

Trivia aside, the article has two serious flaws :

Far more important than squabbles over harm or not to innocent folks,
is the question, which folks are innocent?

USA was founded on (nearly) absolute separation of corporation and state --
so absolute that corporations were few and short-lived and barely tolerated --
and freedom of individuals, with the usual carefully careless definitions.
Out of that separation and that freedom, has coagulated chains,
on both state and individuals.

It has never been nonviolence which has spared the offender,
but the hedging about of offence and innocence
in thickets of ambiguity and deceit.

And freedom vomited into the sewer
of its own drunken excess.

Different Tactics 24.Dec.2003 12:32

Major Whittington

One effective tactic is unpredictable insanity. How do I know it works? It has worked thus far for the current administration. It's part of their policy--The projection of an unpredictable and possibly out of control rogue state. In fact, I think it's been part of foreign policy since the end of the Cold War. It is meant to say to any power, whether emerging or present, that the US can't be messed with.

It's unpredictable, it's insane, and it works. Try it today.

Also, there are so many different kinds of nation-states that we live under. You could call them autonomous regions maybe. I think we need to view the Pentagon as it's own country, if not a separate world. Even the president can't predict what it's going to do. Let's educate ourselves as to what it is, how it works, and how we can get it to work for us.