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2003 = 1964

417 dead American soldiers in Iraq surpasses the number killed in Vietnam up through the end of 1964...
And time marches on...

I don't have any figures on how many Iraqi civilians have been killed compared to the number of Vietnamese civilians up through '64...since "we" aren't as good about counting how many innocents we're killing as we are how many of our hired killers die...

homepage: homepage: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml

correction... 17.Nov.2003 07:48


...or conscripted killers too, in the case of Vietnam...maybe not by '64, but soon after.

The "Combat Deaths" are only part of the total 17.Nov.2003 18:25

Mel R.

58,000 is a number quoted on the number of Americans that were killed in Vietnam. Not mentioned is the greater number of Vietnam Vets who have committed suicide since that war.
Over one million Vietnamese died in the American War in Vietnam, that is rarely noted when the 58,000 American soldiers are mentioned.
Homelessness on top of a high death rate accompany Vietnam Vets. One-third of all homeless men are veterans, many who served in Vietnam.
Gulf War I (The American War in Iraq) counted only several hundred American dead during the "hot war". Of the American veterans who were there, 10,000 are now dead -- a very high number from such a young group in a short period of time. Over 100,000 of the troops have are permanent disabled from partial to full disability. A one-in-three casualty rate of all GW1 veterans.
So the numbers are much higher on both sides than the govt. claims.
The Iraqi civilian deaths are in the hundreds of thousands if you include the excess deaths due to the severe sanctions imposed on them.
One significant weapon that may account for many of the U.S. and Iraqi deaths (non-sanction) is depleted uranium. That's the topic of my next post.

Depleted Uranium and Gulf War deaths from this weapon 17.Nov.2003 20:52

Mel R.

There are recent articles on DU. In Rolling Stone 10-3-03 issue "America's Dirty War" Is the Pentagon Giving Our Soldiers Cancer?, six pages are devoted to depleted uranium.
When Major Douglas Rokke came into town last month he mentioned the issue of Rolling Stone that quoted him in "America's Dirty War" was the best-selling issue of the year. He's right. Also in that issue, Ex-Mouseketeer Britney was on the cover. Another article on Major Rokke and depleted uranium is in the November issue of The PeaceWorker (page 9), a free publication in Oregon. The effects of radiation exposure are not unknown. The survivors of the atomic bomb blasts in Japan, the U.S. soldiers who were subjected to tests in the 40s, and the residents of Utah and Nevada in the above and below ground nuclear detonations give evidence of radiation on humans.

It doesn't end there. Many children born to American soldiers during and after the Gulf War have been afflicted. From the establishment magazine, Ladies' Home Journal - October 2003, there is an article "When Jenny Comes Marching Home" on the risks women face in combat. It doesn't mention radiation exposure but gives a clue that something gigantic is going on.
Starting on page 110, "In 2003, a study done by the Naval Health Research Center and the Centers for Disease Control found a significantly higher incidence of moderate to severe birth defects among the children of men and women who had served in the first Gulf War." --- I have yet to find that study to read how much higher the incidences are and what birth defect is defined as moderate or severe. Already this is looking pretty scary. There may be one noteworthy explanation for the increase in birth defects and the high rate of casualties of Gulf War vets: Depleted Uranium. Uranium is atomic element #92, a very heavy metal that is radioactive. DU is the waste from nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons production. It has also become a very potent weapon as it outperforms titanium as a "bullet" in penetrating thick walls such as enemy tanks. The details go on but the uranium doesn't dissolve after it is fired.

actually, over 5 million Vietnamese were killed, 4 million of them civilians 18.Nov.2003 01:18


"Vietnam released figures on April 3, 1995 that a total of one million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed in the war. The accuracy of these figures has generally not been challenged. 58,226 American soldiers also died in the war or are missing in action."