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Vegan and Pro War?

Just Curious, are any vegans in support of the War against terrorism as it is being fought by the Bush regime?
Are there any vegans who support the belligerant War against terrorism as it is being fought by the Bush regime in Afghanistan, Iraq and anywhere else? If so can you or how do you reconcile your veganism with such support?
Sincerely, Scooter
Not entirely impossible, Scooter 11.Nov.2003 10:24

Mike stepbystepfarm <a> mtdata.com

Of course FIRST you need to define what you mean by "vegan". Do you mean a person who is PERSONALLY opposed to eating animal products or a person who believes on imposing this on everybody else? I'm not sure about the latter, but I have known examples of the former, people who not only supported a war but attempted to participate (within the limitations of their beliefs).

There was this friend of the family I knew from when I was growing up. As a child he had some chickens. Maybe he was five. The family asked if they could eat one and he said sure. After dinner, he noticed that one of the chickens was missing, asked where it was, and then it was explained to him "when you eat an animal it isn't anymore". He resisted eating eating meat from that time on, and of course as an adult was a vegan, and this was not so easy before it was fashionable (they could get real mad at you in a bakery when you asked about the source of the oil, etc.).

Anyway, WWII was on and he was a committed anti-fascist. He wanted to take part in the fight against the Nazis, help however he could, carry a stretcher, be shot at, whatever -- but not willing himself to shoot back. So instead of applying for C.O. status he went in and tried to survive by using his pay for cans of vegetarian beans The long and short of it is that the military authorities decided that anybody who would starve rather than kill (by proxy) even to eat (he had lost a lot of weight from times he just couldn't find anything to buy he could eat) qualified as a C.O. even if he didn't want to be and that he was unfit to serve as a stretcher bearer, etc. because they might not be able to always get him suitable food.

So yes, with certain limitations, a person COULD be vegan and pro war.

A vegan in the Bush Administration 11.Nov.2003 16:09

brimstone

There is a man named Matthew Scully, a senior speechwriter for President Bush, who wrote a book called "Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy." If not vegan, he is certainly vegetarian and opposed to factory/corporate agriculture. I believe he has come to his animal-rights philosophy from a fundamentalist Christian angle--he doesn't believe that (non-human) animals are equal to humans, but rather that humans have a moral (and Biblical) obligation to be merciful.

I'm sure he supports the war on Iraq, probably for the same fundamentalist Christian motives that Bush himself does.

Hitler was a vegetarian! 11.Nov.2003 22:50

Hedvall

It was well known that Hitler was a vegetarian. I never found out the reason for this. So perhaps someone else out there can give the reason. Sorry, but I can't find it plausible that Hitler was opposed to eating meat on moral grounds.

well known ignorance 12.Nov.2003 00:17

free of nazi lies

Hitler was not a vegetarian though he did have to avoid meat later in his life for health reasons. This is just one of many nazi propaganda lies that remains with us to this day. Read more here:
 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/07/267991.shtml

peta and war 12.Nov.2003 05:02

Kimberly Hefner? Classy.

 http://www.peta.org/liv/animaltimes/winter2k1at/bigimages/hefner.gif

Vegetarian meals, including black bean burgers, are becoming more common on U.S. Navy carrier ships. PETA staffer Hollie Kuntzman's husband, Matt, stationed on the USS Peterson, reports that vegetarian options are available aboard his ship and that he hopes to see more during his long deployment. Says Matt, "Like my commitment to protect and fight for our country, I have a commitment to protect the animals."

 http://www.peta.org/liv/animaltimes/winter2k1at/stars/stars.html

A survey taken after Operation Desert Storm revealed that armed forces members wanted more ethnic and vegetarian options. The Department of Defense Combat Feeding Program at the U.S. Army Soldier Systems Center developed vegetarian "meals ready to eat" (MRE) to feed hungry soldiers. The veggie MRE's include such foods as pasta with vegetables in tomato sauce and black bean-and-rice burritos.

According to Judith Aylward, a registered dietitian and a food technologist with the Department of Defense Combat Feeding Program, "More and more soldiers are becoming health conscious, and even those who are not vegetarians enjoy an occasional meatless meal."

hanks to the vegetarian MRE's, soldiers can enjoy tasty meals without hurting innocent "civilians" like cows, pigs and chickens. The vegetarian MRE's are healthier, too. Vegetarians generally have more stamina, energy and endurance than meat-eaters, and that's especially important in combat.

The meals have been a huge hit with the soldiers who tested them. "Some of the Marines who taste-tested the pasta and vegetables with tomato sauce offering said that eating the meal was like eating at the Olive Garden," said Aylward. "The perception that the warfighters only want meat and potatoes no longer holds true."

Soldiers in Jerusalem, Britain and Canada are also reaping the benefits of vegetarian service meals. The IDF Nutrition division in Jerusalem introduced vegetarian battle rations after years of complaints from vegetarian soldiers. Vegetarian service members in the Royal Army, Navy, and Air Force enjoy meatless options such as lentils and tikka masala and spicy vegetable rigatoni in the "operational ration packs" given to British soldiers. Eager to meet the growing demand for vegetarian options, Canadian Forces Food Services devoted a workshop to vegetarianism at its annual conference to discuss food for Canadian troops. An estimated 10 to 15 percent of Canadian Forces members choose vegetarian meals.