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New US Attack About to Happen?

The U.S. Empire may be at it again. These insane U.S. terrorists MUST BE STOPPED, before they trigger WWIII!
Our 11th Hour...
Our 11th Hour...
From: the Peacewatchers at USAF's Fairford and Welford bases in the UK

Since Saturday, people in the Highlands of Scotland have been witnessing large movements of US warplanes overhead. Experienced observers say the large numbers are reminiscent of those that preceded the bombing of Iraq in 1998 and military strikes on Libya in the1980's as well as the first Gulf War.

At the weekend warplanes were flying over at a rate of roughly one every 15 minutes. As well as watching them from the ground the plane spotters have also been able to overhear pilots talking by listening to their radio frequencies.

At this rate some 288 warplanes would have passed over Scotland in three days.

It is thought that the planes have flown on a route from the US over the North Pole to bases in Europe and the Mediterranean. The size and scale of the movement suggests that the US may be preparing to strike at a country in the Middle East in the next week to ten days.

Please pass this information on as widely as possible- the US may be planning to use the pretext of "foreign" terrorist attacks on US personnel in Iraq to attack Iran or Syria. Please alert any sympathetic elected representatives, media representatives and other sympathetic organizations. Publicizing this military movement may prevent the air-strikes.

homepage: homepage: http://www.banthebomb.org


Bullshit 03.Nov.2003 19:37

adili

Same shit, different day. This guy never gives up. In truth, it reads to me like a dumb-ass cop trying to get dumb-ass dumb-asses to commit dumb-ass transgressions against the dumb-ass Homeland Security agency.

What the Hell? 03.Nov.2003 20:22

Ethan Dullis

This sounds like some whacky anti american rhetoric. It's demeaning to the U.S. to make unwarraneted claims. Seriously, it's destructive to the reality of foreign policy to post B.S. articles. The U.S. has made some bad choices, but you don't need to lie to fit in. There's anti-american (this) and there is legimate mistakes, learn the difference and get a day job.

Is this so unbelievable? 03.Nov.2003 20:38

silversurfer

Not sure where these last two comments are coming from, but if I understand them correctly........sheesh. Read the list of 7 nations on the hit list of the PNAC, beginning with Iraq, and the idea of a new strike on a middle east country very soon is not so unbelievable. Time will tell.

a bit too fantastic a claim, although. . . 03.Nov.2003 20:41

cary

sounds a bit too fantastic to be believed. since an attack could not be kept secret, it
would be pretty stupid for the US to launch yet another preemptive strike without
preceeding it with the usual lies and rhetoric ( the war fans have to be warmed
up to the idea first, of course ).

at the same time, this administration is clearly acting on its own, without care for
how the outcomes from their decisions will affect Americans in general.
they have shown themselves radical enough to launch a preemptive attack
without first informing the world of their motive, or giving good reason for action.

Responses from COINTELPRO? Or just trolls? 03.Nov.2003 20:46

Jeff

Hmm, the two responses above sound like they're written by the same person. And, what are they getting so uppity about? The vehemence with which they're attacking a fairly innocuous article is surprising. It's simply one person's reaction to what other people have reported to him/her, not agitating for "transgressions against Homeland Security." Yeesh. Whatever.

For my part, I thought the article was very interesting, particularly since I lived at RAF Welford when I was a kid. I don't lend much credence to the author's extrapolations, but it certainly doesn't merit the trolls getting all riled up.

I live near an amerikan AFB- There is INCREASED ACTIVITY here too 03.Nov.2003 21:09

Truth

I live near a major US AFB.
The sorties overhead are unbelievable. ( Unprecedented. I have lived here for 20+ years)
They fly one after the other day & NIGHT, no matter how late at night it is.

They are up to something.
Pity its not the white house & other houses in DC where they will drop their WMD ( when they are full of lobbiests & Gov whores...)
And YES it is only Isre-Hell & USA that has WMD. Bloody HYPOCRITS.

Bush & co have more blood lust than, count dracula, Adolf Hitler, Edgar Casey, Khameer Rouge, Charlie Manson & Jeffery Dahmer combined. Combine all the rotten murders & enumerate their victims and they will not add up to shrubs & sharons victims. ( Remember... these pigs aren't through slaughtering people and destroying the world yet.)
Remember too the biological THEY THEMSELVES ARE CREATING. It is bush/sharon. Not all the others they try to SCAPEGOAT for thie SINS.

At least hitlers restaig was an empty building. Can't say the same for bush/sharon & 911.
And I wonder... was Hitler after Zionists? Cause Zionists are not REAL JEWS. They are not good pious jews. And innocent & good hearted jews suffer because of them. Innocent muslims scapegoated suffer because of them. And alot of duped christians are accomplises to crimes they believe are good. Beware of false prophets. Ignorance was no excuse when the first people sinned. The same holds true today.

Check out these sites: ( Your TV news is just talking head whores. Why do you think they call it *PROGRAMMING* ???)

VOXFUX.COM

Whatreallyhappened.com

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE. ALL LIES ARE OF SATAN... SO IS OCCUPATION & TERROR BY USA & ISREAL. VICTIMS MY ASS. THEY PERPETRATED 911 to STEAL THE OIL... REMEMBER HOW MANY LIES BUSH & CO HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN.
THERE's a GIANT CLUE THERE. Anyone that cannot see that is blind & nothing can make a blind man see.

Wake up world.
KNOW WHO THE REAL ENEMY IS.

The terrorists are busy 03.Nov.2003 21:14

webber admin@nogw.com

9/11/2001 - WTC
10/12/2002 - Bali
11/13/2003 - ???

They are probably busy preparing for a "response" to another terrorist strike. It would go something like this. We have a dirty nuclear bomb attack in the U.S. Then Bush quickly dispatches a strike against whoever Sharon tells him to strike. One of Israel's enemies.
The Mossad is the "Al Qaeda" group that is responsible for the attack in the first place.

www.nogw.com

so what if we kill more humans 03.Nov.2003 21:19

bush can lie and kill how ever he wants

i wish the rest of the world were as nice as we are to the environment and fellow humands. lol

Could be one of those "pin prick" attacks aka Operation Desert Fox 03.Nov.2003 21:44

NORAD 9-11 STANDDOWN DUDE

These upcoming American attacks might not mean a "new war" but rather "pin prick attacks" like Clinton launched against Iraq in 1998 (Operation Desert Fox) or those missiles he lobbed at Afghanistan and Sudan.

Another possibility is that these attacks are aimed at Iraq and Afghanistan in that the so-called "war" has not been won and the USA effectively needs to reinvade these nations.

The terrorists are busy 03.Nov.2003 21:45

Trausti trausti@hraunfjord.com

Taking a look at the past decades, it would absolutely not be surprising if the US is preparing for a new war on some small and under develloped country. The Iraq oil adventure is only causing Bush and his cronies embarrasment and world wide criticism, so a new front would be welcome for them (thousands of civilian lives lost does not disturb their sleep anyway's). First destroying a country's infrastructure, then giving reconstruction contracts to US corporations will serve their agenda well.

The question I'd like ot get an answer on, is: When are the people of the world going to stop this mad-dog in the White House?

Trausti
_________________________________
www.hraunfjord.com/whatreallyhappened


what's wrong with the trolls? 03.Nov.2003 21:48

just wondering

My! My! The first two comments indicate that the trolls are up to something! What, I'm not sure. I rather suspect that it's
nothing more than their panties are all bunched up after a full shift of ass sitting monitoring this website. What ya think?

US prepares to defend Israel against bad case of SUNBURN? 03.Nov.2003 21:49

TerraHertz anon

See this article, on Russian supersonic nuclear weapons deployed in
Iran and Syria, targetted on Israel.
 http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/sunburn.html

If true, the Israeli masters of the USA must be going absolutely berserk,
demanding these missile launchers be taken out _at_all_costs_.

Oh, also look up Yakhont, Brahmos, and Skvaal - supersonic, radar
stealthy anti ship missiles, and supersonic torpedos.
Possessed now by Russia, China, India, and probably Iran and Syria.
At least.
US forces have no defense against this new generation of weapons.
The entire US navy, worldwide, could be sunk in a few minutes.

Waiting for the right moment....
The ability of the USA to project global military force will be terminated,
quite soon now.

There is far more to this than meets the eye... 03.Nov.2003 22:01

Sharp as Tacks

After seeing this posting a while ago, I decided to call a dear friend that lives in Aberdeen, Scotland to see what he had to
say about this. There is a joint RAF-USAF base there and he lives not hardly 3 miles from it, and he says there has been
an unbelievable amount of air traffic coming in and out of there over the past 3-4 days. It's like the US military is moving a
lot of their flying stock out of the States and shipping it off overseas for WHATEVER reason. Aberdeen appears to be mere
refueling stop as little of what comes in stays around. So, maybe this posting ain't bullshit at all, but a powerful warning
to those "who have eyes to see/ears to hear" that some serious business is about to take place. Don't belittle these type
of warnings is my advice. I sure don't and I be damned if going to let the troller's spook me away from them! How aboutYOU?

I TOO HEAR SOMETHING IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN 03.Nov.2003 22:14

tj

This afternoon I visited a friend who has a 20's-something son in the U.S. Air Force. The son has a job that is
obviously one calling for security clearances, and the father & son have a pre-arranged code that is rather simple
as they are aware that the son's phone calls are likely monitored. According to my friend, he got the coded message
that something BIG is indeed about to take place. Something really big, and he got no clue as to what it is, just that
our government is taking a lot of massive effort to gear up for it. So, I wouldn't be so quick to poobah this warning at
all. It seems strange that anyone would really. What is up? My feeling is...we'd all better keep our heads up now!

uhhh, ok... ? 03.Nov.2003 22:22

Bob

Sounds creepy to me

DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND 03.Nov.2003 22:35

SWORDBOY178

the US is currently groping around in the dark in the middle east,trying to convince the world that it will succeed.Arrogant people are never good listeners and that can do jock-strap attitude that governs the US leadership wont work.When you walk God's earth,tread softly and pull in your chest.What kind of a world would we have if it all resembled the Us.Maybe that's a thought that Americans should ponder more.Democracy is a good thing ,but there are better things in the world than democracy.How many people suffer today,and yet if that suffering were removed,will it not create suffering of a new kind.The only way is God's way......Why dont they learn from the California fires.Can't you see the hand of God in these thing's. Deaf,dumb and blind......they will not return to the path.........These are the words from the lord of the worlds.......if only the citizens of the US were not as cattle crazing in the field.

THIS MOM IS WORRIED 03.Nov.2003 22:42

worried mom

My daughter works at the Pentagon and she e-mails me daily with short note from her office during her lunch break.
Today's message had this: "Mom, how is Aunt Bertha?...Is Aunt Bertha getting any better?...Please give Aunt Bertha
a hug 'n' kiss for me next time you see her...I've always dearly loved Aunt Bertha!" Sounds like innocent ramblings to
most I'm sure. However, Aunt Bertha died 12 years ago, and this is our little code that something nasty is about to
take place. Whenever the name Aunt Bertha comes up, and depending on the number of times it's used, then I'm
given advance warning that something is going to happen. Last time I got one with four mentions of Aunt Bertha is
the Friday before 9-11. So guess we'd better get ready, cause the BIG BERTHA is coming.

Uh-oh! Another Staged 9-11 Reichstag Fire is coming? 03.Nov.2003 22:50

NORAD 9-11 STANDDOWN DUDE

Reading some of the comments above, it really makes you think that some "provocation" is being set up (i.e. another phony Terrorist attack ala 9-11), with the US military being prepositioned to attack the designated Patsy country.

Remember, during the summer of 2001 the USA had told other countries it was planning to attack Afghanistan even before 9-11 so conveniently happened.

The question is: Who is the target country? Syria, Iran, Saudia Arabia, North Korea?

Who?

When?

Where?

Ever read the U. S. Constitution?? 03.Nov.2003 22:52

T. Jefferson

Specifically, Article 1, Section 8: "CONGRESS shall have power...to declare war...." You can site the "War Powers Act", ad nauseum, but the Constitution's just pretty plain to me! We have gone from having Constitutional 'separation of powers' to having a dictatorship. Like it or not, it happens to be the truth.

Let me ask you Bush followers: If (God forbid) Hillary Clinton is elected in 2008, would you want her to have all of the power that the Republican Congress has lavished on Bush??

May God forgive us, and have mercy upon us!

Oh please... 03.Nov.2003 23:35

Are you blind?

Someone in this string is messing with you all. They are trying to make fools of everyone on Indymedia. This has been going on for at least a week. There are phony stories, posts that re-enforce those stories, posts that egg others on. This person is sitting back at their computer and laughing at all the people he/she is fooling. There is a pattern. They are easy to spot if you open your eyes.

Indymedia deserves better than this. Sharpen up people.

makes sense 03.Nov.2003 23:36

roy shivers

I normally discount reports like this Scotland one, but something of it rings true to me.

1) Before 9-11, Bush polled at about 50%. Post 9-11 he peaked at 90%. Before the attacks he was a lame duck president embroiled in corporate scandals. Post 9-11 the reactionary Republican agenda moved through with little debate, with the population shut out of the process.

2) Polls are usually bad science. But even the corporate media polls on Iraq now indicate BushCo is losing control of the American population  http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm The propaganda war was supposed to manufacture the consent of the people, but Joseph Wilson and the failure to find WMD have exposed the Bush lies. The dam is close to breaking, with mainstream journalists like Joshua Marshall and Sy Hersh busting the Niger story wide open last week.

The same week as those two articles, three former Senior C.I.A. officials testify in front of Senate Democrats. In damning detail, they explain how the White House defrauded the American people with a manufactured case for war. They talked about Dick Cheney's 4 visits to Langley, and his personal pressure on CIA analysts. All three said this kind of pressure was unprecedented, and represented a clear politicization of the agency. The hearings were ignored of course, but represent a further break in the dam. The CIA, enraged at being manipulated and then scapegoated, may take its revenge in the form of leaks. For now it is former officials, but they also intimated their statements were representative of many current employees in the agency.

Then the helicopter attack where 16 soldiers die. The polls were taken before this attack, so when the new approval ratings emerge next week, Bush is headed for political freefall. He could reach a 40% approval rating, with Iraq approval sinking to 40% or below. This kind of damage would be impossible to counteract with conventional propaganda.

There are no soldiers for a big new war. There is no way Bush can get Congressional approval for an attack on Syria with the American public being so skeptical. One month ago when John Bolton gave a Iraq-style scare speech about Syria's "Nuclear Program," no one listened. The neocons must have recognized this as their imminent fall from power. The influence makers know that they could not sell the public another war, not under the present conditions.

And yet the PNAC goonsquad of bankers, weapons makers, and oil barons thirsts for another war of conquest to consolidate their new empire in the Middle East. Israel dreams of eliminating Syria and with it, Lebanon, for military and economic reasons. The Republican propagandists (Rove and Company) need a new terror attack or war to change the polls, which show no signs of changing. The elites in America will support a new war because it will allow them to further bankrupt the government, allowing for the rollback of all social programs. In other words, it is a play right out of the PNAC plan for "perpetual warfare." Manufactured wars against weak countries, with a compliant press hiding their true motives and the resulting enrichment of the elites.

Bush is facing a crisis as hawks like John McCain and Chuck Hagel have compared Iraq to Vietnam. The Democrats now seriously believe they can win the election, despite Bush's massive election slush fund ($300 million or more) because the poll numbers are so grim.

Nevertheless, BushCo has prepared for such a public revolt with help from Diebold and ES&S, the electronic voting machines. Despite the legimitate possibility of outright election theft, the machines will be used since so many states have already purchased them. We may be able to prevent more from being purchased, but there is little hope of installing a paper trail on the machines, or having a fair election in 2004.

Now, the election theft will work in close races for House or Senate seats. If the results produce a 5% swing in what the polls predicted, it will quickly be explained as "Bush loyalists," or "white male support," as was done in the Georgia election fraud of 2002 for the Gubernatorial and Senate elections. This will happen all over the country.

With exit polls gone and the VNS disbanded, there will be no way to prove the results were manufacured. The system was aligned perfectly for the Republicans.

Just keep it close, keep it near 50%, and let the machines do the rest.

But the plan falls apart if Bush reaches 40% in the polls. Then the fraud is too difficult to pass along even to the corporate media. They will swallow a Florida again, but not something that blatant.

So back to this week. Bush is reaching a potential fall into the low 40's in the polls as the Iraq quagmire worsens and our military looks increasingly weak. The PNAC agenda is in danger. Some Republicans are even advising Bush to cut and run, as State Dept. stories indicate.

This week Noam Chomsky predicted a "new scare" in a talk. For months he has written about Reagan's use of the same tactics (Grenada, Libya) before the 1984 elections. Without a new war, the neocons will lose the White House and their perpetual war may end. Like Kennedy in the early stages of Vietnam, Bush is at the critical point where we decide whether to get in deep or bail out. The next few months will decide.

PNAC can not risk an end to their political influence. The voting machine scam won't work if Bush is below 45%, so they have to go to Plan C and start another war. In their original plans, the Iraq war would segway seamlessly into the Syrian invasion, but the failure to find WMD hampered their effort. Now the American people are starting to call for a return of the troops in Iraq.

One other reason for attack.

The Bush Administration is finally being asked for documents relating to what they knew about 9-11, and calls for an independent inquiry are rising from Senate Democrats.

The PATRIOT Act has become a political liability as people hear about its implications. Republicans may lose the far-right libertarian vote that is so crucial in the Midwest and Southern states. Wesley Clark and Howard Dean are talking about repealing parts or all of the act. Many in the national security and intelligence circles will not tolerate the Warren Court rulings and want to crush civil liberties. This issue is crucial for them, and a new war will eliminate discussion of the PATRIOT Act

Clearly PNAC does not play by the rules and will manufacture another terrorist attack to reignite their flames of their perpetual war. Perhaps they know of an attack thats coming and will do nothing, in a stand down similar to the one I feel happened on 9-11.

In other words, I believe the story about these planes in Scotland. I feel that the reactionary elements in the government are planning something, confident that their plans will never be exposed. After all, only a few thousand people will view this site, at most. The story of their pre-made war would never be told, and the Scotland plane departures would be lost in the memory hole. A manufactured war would bury the new questions about 9-11, and allow the junta to continue their war on democracy.

The next few months should be interesting, but I know check my new with a profound fear that a new global conflict is being planned at the highest circles. I hope in one month I don't remember this article as we submerge into a new Middle East conflict.

Get ready for another "911-like" attack. 04.Nov.2003 00:09

Ol' GB

If what you are saying is correct, we may be in for another stage terror attack. Remember: many of the elements used to attack Afghanistan and and Iraq were in place and ready long before the pretext, i.e. the "attacks" that precipitated the invasions took place. Maybe Bush is also thinking about using the next attack as a pretext to push Patriot Act II through congress, win the next election, and declare martial law using FEMA to "control" the political unrest, if it doesn't succeed smoothly.

Sept.11 World trade centre... Oct. 12 Bali.... do the math.... 04.Nov.2003 00:10

Curious

Seriously....... Sept.11 2001 World trade centre... Oct. 12 2002 Bali.... do the math.... NOVEMBER 13 2003

The PNAC Agenda 04.Nov.2003 00:22

usdissenter gissingfan@comcast.net

Putting into play the PNAC statement of "principles" for world domination is the true agenda of bushco. Nothing is else matters to them. While mounting such a secret massing of airpower for a strike on one of the remaining six targets might seem farfetched three years ago, it is certainly very believable today. We have to wake people up to this threat, not only as to the rest of the world, but as to the very survival of our Republic as knew, before the pResident was handed the keys to the White House by a 5-4 Supreme Court decision.

Increased Air Activity 04.Nov.2003 00:51

LizTalk

I cannot understand why people do not see the truth here when it comes to American foreign policy. If this is true you can bet that America is planning another attack on an Arab country. Most likely one that has oil but I cannot speculate when the attack will take place but probably before the elections. That is sure. No one has ever been captured or prosecuted. Furthermore over 15 million people protested around the world protested of the invasion of a sovereign country and we still attacked them. That was not war but an act of cowardness!

Would Europe be a target? 04.Nov.2003 01:03

Ol' GB

You know I'm wondering whether Europe could be a target for a major terrorist attack? Europe has not been supportive of Bush in his war against "terrorism"; with a majority of people in places like Germany and France holding the opinion that 911 was an inside job; with a recent EU poll of 7500 people indicated that Europeans think the two greatest threats to world peace is Israel and the US. Hmm...time to teach someone a lesson. http://www.prolog.net/webnews/wed/bl/Qeu-poll-israel.R78C_DN3.html

Commom sense 04.Nov.2003 01:09

Curio

If there is to be a dirty bomb attack, then north korea will be blamed

come on guys ...... 04.Nov.2003 01:16

get a grip.

I will just bring up ta couple of things....

In england parts of the media are in 'open season' as far as the government are concerned. I hardly think a large redeployment of US aircraft will have escaped their attention.

The US military have no love for Bush and Co at the moment so I sure something would have leaked. I mean 'Aunt Bertha'?? really !!

Not even a sniff out of PRAVDA or Le Monde!! This is a stir!!!!

Moderate Increase In Activity CO 04.Nov.2003 01:23

Marlboro Man

Moderately increase air transport activity near NORAD's base. Can't say it is enormous increase but a bit more lately than normal perhaps.

is this it? 04.Nov.2003 01:26

TerraHertz

My guess: Another staged terror attack (a big one) in the USA,
followed by 'retaliation' against the 'terrorist states' - Iran
and Syria, maybe Nth Korea. Air strikes which will happen to be
targetted on the locations of the Russian Sunburn missile sites.

But! I wonder.... Russia will have anticipated such an all-out air
attack on the (Russian operated) Sunburn sites, given that the
stakes are the survival of Israel. Putin & co are no fools.

Are they prepared?
Maybe setting up the USA to strike the first blow, giving Russia,
China, etc a good case of 'self defence' for use of all the other
stuff they have (yakhonts, etc)?


Another bit of background to this: Putin has been taking firm steps
to kick the NWO/US/Jewish capitalists out of the Russian oil (and other)
industry.... that will enrage Israel and the US oil interests too.
Check out the recent Mikhail Khodorkovsky / Yukos saga.
Khordorkovsky now in gaol in Russia, he tried to flee before arrest,
now has resigned his Yukos position, rumours his controlling interest
has passed to Rothschild... major political turmoil in Russia, Putin
making speeches that sound like 'everybody sit down or get shot' (but
expressed much more politely.)
Putin (and therefore the KGB which he used to head) is going hard up
against the Jews and Rothschilds! Thats the kind of shit that starts
world wars.

Russia, China and India recently completed world wide naval exercises
in which they simulated taking out a 'major naval opponent'. Successfully,
according to their announcements. And yes, they do have the means.
Also keep in mind that most of the available US ground forces are
tied down in Iraq. A good time to eliminate US naval forces - trapping
most US heavy weaponry on the other side of the globe from the USA.

And that stuff about Bush/Republican approval ratings is dead right-
they are dead in the water. Plus its looking like enough yanks now
know about the rigged voting machines, that the 2004 election win
for Bush will be very problematical.

So, the Bushites *need* something big... something that makes elections
and approval ratings, and problems with the patriot act, and revelations
about past US government coverups of Israeli bastardry (see USS Liberty),
and collapsing US economy and currency, and talk of impeaching Bush,
all irrelevent. They need a full-on national emergency and all-out war.
And they need it soon.

Is this it, starting now?

is this it? 04.Nov.2003 01:29

TerraHertz

My guess: Another staged terror attack (a big one) in the USA,
followed by 'retaliation' against the 'terrorist states' - Iran
and Syria, maybe Nth Korea. Air strikes which will happen to be
targetted on the locations of the Russian Sunburn missile sites.

But! I wonder.... Russia will have anticipated such an all-out air
attack on the (Russian operated) Sunburn sites, given that the
stakes are the survival of Israel. Putin & co are no fools.

Are they prepared?
Maybe setting up the USA to strike the first blow, giving Russia,
China, etc a good case of 'self defence' for use of all the other
stuff they have (yakhonts, etc)?


Another bit of background to this: Putin has been taking firm steps
to kick the NWO/US/Jewish capitalists out of the Russian oil (and other)
industry.... that will enrage Israel and the US oil interests too.
Check out the recent Mikhail Khodorkovsky / Yukos saga.
Khordorkovsky now in gaol in Russia, he tried to flee before arrest,
now has resigned his Yukos position, rumours his controlling interest
has passed to Rothschild... major political turmoil in Russia, Putin
making speeches that sound like 'everybody sit down or get shot' (but
expressed much more politely.)
Putin (and therefore the KGB which he used to head) is going hard up
against the Jews and Rothschilds! Thats the kind of shit that starts
world wars.

Russia, China and India recently completed world wide naval exercises
in which they simulated taking out a 'major naval opponent'. Successfully,
according to their announcements. And yes, they do have the means.
Also keep in mind that most of the available US ground forces are
tied down in Iraq. A good time to eliminate US naval forces - trapping
most US heavy weaponry on the other side of the globe from the USA.

And that stuff about Bush/Republican approval ratings is dead right-
they are dead in the water. Plus its looking like enough yanks now
know about the rigged voting machines, that the 2004 election win
for Bush will be very problematical.

So, the Bushites *need* something big... something that makes elections
and approval ratings, and problems with the patriot act, and revelations
about past US government coverups of Israeli bastardry (see USS Liberty),
and collapsing US economy and currency, and talk of impeaching Bush,
all irrelevent. They need a full-on national emergency and all-out war.
And they need it soon.

Is this it, starting now?

Don't Worry About Russia/China toys 04.Nov.2003 01:46

Marlboro Man

Area 51 Unleashed -- None on the Planet Can Compete -

The US, Russians, Chinese ALL on the same side. Remember Only A United Planet Can Defend The Human Race.

It's all a smokescreen leading to a "Cosmic War To Come."

Europe in the cross-hairs? 04.Nov.2003 02:11

Ol' GB

"It is time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world, or even that they occupy the same world."

- Robert Kagan

Another neo-con nugget.

The other day Bush vowed to - 'stay course' - and he will... 04.Nov.2003 02:18

Zach

When something big happens, if there are any surprised American's, it will be those that refuse to listen to the truth. The truth about these PNAC fucker's and this pitiful excuse for an American Administration is that, this shit has been planned out, way, way in advance. Of course they will report to the masses of deaf & blind that this was a necessary military move in the 'war on terror' - but what they will not tell the masses is that, this, all of this has been cookin in the book's for a long time. None of this has anything to do with 9/11 - that was just a bonus for them.
U.S. EMPIRE - no sleep 'till Damascus

yanks go home 04.Nov.2003 02:38

big xl

here comes ww3 george adolf bush...

Heh MOM, you better be worried about your daughters job.... 04.Nov.2003 02:40

LudicrousLucifer ludicrous_lucifer@yahoo.co.uk

In the posting titled "THIS MOM IS WORRIED 03.Nov.2003 22:42", she states that her daughter works at the pentagon, and that they had this code that if the daughter mentioned a dead relative (Aunt Bertha), then something big was happening!

Well 'mom', you've just gave away that code, and probably lost your daughter her job as well - don't you think the CIA/NSA/whatever scan thru all these message boards for just this sort of thing .....

Stop pulling our leg 04.Nov.2003 02:42

Jesus H pHucking Christ

For hells sake, somebody is pulling our leg. Get a clue.

Syria is next. Israeli Land invasion, supported by US tanks and bombers 04.Nov.2003 02:43

scotbot

Think there's gonna be a terrorist attack on 13th of the month ...

Check this out:

Twin Towers : 11/09/03
Bali Bombing : 12/10/03
Next attack : 13/11/03

Do you see the pattern here ...

Both attacks occurred because American NeoCons needed a pretext to go on it's war of conquest.

The Twin Towers happened to allow them to go into Afghanistan. The Bali Bombing occurred to get Australia's parliament to approve of action against Iraq: prior to the bombing the Aussies were swithering on action, then they changed their minds and became resolute in support of the war.

Now, all the rhetoric is against Syria. Apparently, they have Saddam's billions; no, wait a minute, they have his WMDs; no wait a minute, that's where all the Iraqi leaders went; no wait a minute, that's where the Iraqi resistance is coming from.

You see they need an pretext to go in (just like Poland in 1939, eh?) and terrorist attacks give them that. It's all smoke and mirrors. The terrorism is a trick to distract us, whilst the real plan is put into action. Just like stage magic, the illusion only works because we don't notice what's really going on. Eg, we don't notice inordinate build-ups of USAF bombers at UK bases, the kind of which has been observed by people recently.

Let's guess the next attack is gonna be a dirty bomb somewhere ... how about London? Why there? Because there's been rather a lot of "speculation" from senior police officers and intelligence officials "warning" that it's only a matter of time before it happens.

I'm not saying there will be an US-UK invasion of Syria, but the US might give the Israeli's air or tank support.

Here's some website links for you to come up with your own conclusion:

US warns Syria against support for Iraq  http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?id=433172003&tid=406
Blair joins Bush in warning Iran, Syria  http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_265401,0005.htm
Powell warns Syria and Iran  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2901689.stm
Powell deals Syria new warning  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2943871.stm
Powell gives Syria 'final warning' over terrorism  link to www.telegraph.co.uk
New threats of action against Syria  http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,936027,00.html
Syria Rejects U.S. Allegations as Threats  link to dailynews.att.net
Hawks recycle arguments for Iraq war against Syria  http://washingtontimes.com/world/20030416-64307592.htm
Bush's Syrian Dilemma  http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0304/S00138.htm
Syria could be next, warns Washington  http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,935943,00.html
Syrians see Washington words as preparation for attack  link to news.ft.com
Plan to invade Syria was drawn up years ago  http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=3971&lang=en
A strong warning to Syria: Perle, a Pentagon adviser, sees more preemption in future  http://www.iht.com/articles/93022.html
U.S. Adviser Perle Warns Syria Over Iraqi Weapons  http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2553595
Israeli general says Iraq war has boosted security  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msid=44656483
Iran, Syria get grave warning - Israel Pushes For Wider War  link to www.thestar.com
Israel Wants U.S. To Attack Syria  http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/93/375/9774_Palestine.html
Israel wants strike on Syria while iron's hot  http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak17.html
Israeli leader adds his voice to new Mideast war of words  link to www.thestar.com
Israel to U.S.: Now deal with Syria and Iran  link to www.haaretzdaily.com
Israeli Calls for 'Regime Change' in Iran, Syria  http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2643315
Shock and Assad - Israel's wish list  link to www.haaretzdaily.com
Would President Assad invite a cruise missile to his palace?  http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=397347
PHASE TWO BEGINS: The 'liberators' of the Middle East are ready for the next stage in their campaign to make the world safe for Israel  http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j041403.html
US 'not targeting Iran or Syria'  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2920619.stm
Iraq Neighbors Warned: U.S. Is Watching Behavior  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14755-2003Apr12.html
Syria now top US target for 'regime change'  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/08/wsyria08.xml
Ex-CIA chief gets tough on Syria  link to www.thestar.com
Syria: U.S. Insists Damascus Poses A Threat, But Motives And Objectives Remain Unclear  http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/04/08042003160204.asp
You're With the Terrorists If You're Not for Invading Syria  http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Apr/04162003/commenta/commenta.asp
Syria in the US spotlight  link to www.janes.com
Syria expects the worst  http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED09Ak02.html
Syria Is Our Next Victim - Wake Up To The Atrocity!  http://www.rense.com/general37/syria.htm
Syria next on the mass destruction list  link to www.nzherald.co.nz
For Some, Syria Looms as Next Goal  http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52483-2003Apr7?language=printer
THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS: YOU'RE NEXT  http://www.etherzone.com/2003/nova040803.shtml
On to Damascus?  http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31953
Global Eye -- Damascus Road  http://www.tmtmetropolis.ru/stories/2003/04/11/120.html
Are They Syrious? Next Stop: Damascus  http://www.reason.com/links/links041403.shtml
Road to Damascus next for Bush?  link to www.thestar.com
Syria Might Be Next: The American administration wants to change the Syrian government  http://english.pravda.ru/world/2003/04/09/45838.html
Hawks in U.S. Eyeing Syria As Next Target: Debating its threat to region  link to www.newsday.com
MAD DOGS OF WAR: Neocon pit-bulls snarl at Syria: 'You're next!'  http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j050703.html
Analysis: Tough talk on Syria: Prelude to attack?  link to www.sacbee.com
Analysis: Is Syria next?  http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030414-092018-7380r
Patrick Seale: Why are the U.S. and Israel threatening Syria?  http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/print.asp?ArticleID=84658
Is Syria next on the US hit-list?  link to www.hindustantimes.com
US tells Syria to co-operate or risk conflict  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-645911,00.html
Terror-friendly Syria needs a change, too  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/75794p-70003c.html
US Targets Syria Next  link to www.newvision.co.ug
U.S. hawks set sights on Iran and Syria  http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=1754028

As you can see, that's rather a lot of links (some of which may no longer work), but that's just the balance of evidence regarding the forthcoming attack on Iraq. You see it's not not going to happen. There's no if, just when. Time will tell in the end.

If they scan 04.Nov.2003 02:43

Wizard

Then scan this...

There is a bigger power in this world ... watching.... waiting

pay your taxes 04.Nov.2003 02:55

the taxman

as long as everybody pays their taxes. jeesh we could not bomb and maim all those innocent women and children, if the slaves, er sorry workers didant contribute the randsom/taxes to fund the attack er i mean defense.

pay your taxes to fund the mass murder and illegal resource grabbing of nations who cannot defend themselves....

you can all moan and whine about anything as much as y'all want, do yo all pay the randsom? er i mean taxes?

ever wondered how much it costs to carry out a cataract operation to prevent blindness in third world areas? its $17...for $17 million doallars you can prevent blindness in one million people.........or drop 8 of those $2 million doallar bombs........

i call on all of you out there to make it your deed for the day to find out how much your government is spending on attack spending...er i mean the defense budget, add on all the estimated 'black costs' for black programmes......take this figure for the 'defense budget' against spending for all other areas, i.e health/roads etc..... if the defense spending comes to say 40% then simply refuse to pay the government 40% of any tax in whatever form....wages etc.....

if you do not want to take a stand then pay your taxes.......

Holy Shit--More Corroboration about What is Coming! 04.Nov.2003 03:04

NORAD 9-11 STANDDOWN DUDE

I found these article from the Lyndon Larouche site. I know some people have problem with his politics, but in terms of his intelligence and analysis he is usually spot on. Note that these analysis were printed BEFORE all the recent reports about the flurry of US military activity in foreign bases. Also, note in particular the NOVEMBER 2003 timetable for an American/Israeli attack on Syria and Iran, then later on a 2004 attack on North Korea just before the 2004 (s)elections. Reading these reports retroactively is kind of scary in that you can see THE PLAN falling into place before your very eyes. It all fits. Please distribute this information far and wide. Maybe we can stop this thing before the Fascists in Washington DC and Tel Aviv take down the entire planet...

Here are the relevant passages:

LaRouche said that we have reached a strategic danger-point where, unless "Beast-man" Dick Cheney is dumped from the Bush Administration, and "Beast-man" Sharon is stopped, a new Middle East war is virtually certain between now and some point in November, with the possible new, horrific feature of Israeli use of nuclear weapons against targets inside the territory of Iran. Israel is economically and strategically bankrupt, and hopeless. Sharon is losing ground. Under these circumstances, the mad-dog faction in Israel could use nuclear weapons versus Iran.

LaRouche drew attention to the report, published in the Oct. 12, 2003 Los Angeles Times ("Israel Adds Subs to Its Atomic Ability," by Douglas Frantz), that Israel now has deployed submarines, carrying nuclear-armed Harpoon missiles, able to strike Iran and other regional targets.

LaRouche further warned: The U.S. military has no capability for carrying out any further wars, so long as American forces are tied down in Iraq—unless the U.S.A., too, were to resort to the use of nuclear weapons. Thus, if the current, planned Israeli war stunt is not stopped now, we also face the prospect—going into the pre-U.S.A. election Autumn of 2004—of a desperate Cheney-led and chicken-hawk-dominated Bush Administration being tempted to use nuclear weapons against North Korea. At this moment, the neo-conservatives in and around the Bush Administration are pushing for Israel to use nuclear weapons to set the precedent for the later American use of mini-nukes against targets in North Korea. The controllers of this neo-con war-party apparatus need their Sharon asset to do the job, to set off this chain of events.

LaRouche concluded, that an American Presidential crackdown on Sharon is the only near-certain way to stop this Sharon war plan. The danger in the immediate period ahead is that Israel attacks Syria and then Iran, leading to a U.S.A. nuclear attack on North Korea just prior to the 2004 Presidential elections.

 http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2003/031014cheney_mewar.html

Another relevant article...

`A Clean Break' Revisited

Turn the clock back seven years. On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle, currently a member, and formerly the head of the Defense Policy Board in the Don Rumsfeld Pentagon, delivered a document to the new Israeli Prime Minister, Jabotinskyite Benjamin Netanyahu. Perle, and a team of American neo-cons, had been tasked by Netanyahu—through the Israeli think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS)—to draft a strategy for abrogating the Oslo Accords and overturning the entire concept of "comprehensive land for peace," in favor of a jackboot policy of U.S.-Israeli-Turkish raw military conquest and occupation.

The short policy memo, which Netanyahu, and his successor-Likud Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, totally adopted as the core strategy of their administrations, spelled out a four-pronged attack on the peace process and the entire Arab world. It has become a self-evident truth that, since the Bush "43" and Sharon governments came into power simultaneously in early 2001, "A Clean Break" has been the guiding strategic doctrine of both—particularly following the irregular warfare attacks on New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001.

The Perle-Wurmser policy document demanded: 1) Destroy Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority, blaming them for every act of Palestinian terrorism, including the attacks from Hamas, an organization which Sharon had helped launch during his early 1980s tenure as Minister of Defense. 2) Induce the United States to overthrow the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. 3) Launch war against Syria after Saddam's regime is disposed of, including striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and targets in Syria proper. 4) Parlay the overthrow of the Ba'athist regimes in Baghdad and Damascus into the "democratization" of the entire Arab world, including through further military actions against Iran, Saudi Arabia, and "the ultimate prize," Egypt (see Documentation following for the "Clean Break" report).

On Oct. 5, for the first time in 30 years, Israel launched bombing raids against Syria, targetting a purported "Palestinian terrorist camp" inside Syrian territory. The bombing immediately raised fears that Sharon is preparing a nuclear strike, most likely against Iran. A senior Israeli intelligence source told EIR that Sharon's action was clearly backed by the "pro-Sharon" crowd in Washington, led by Vice President Dick Cheney and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz: "They continue to be committed to their basic plan: Destroy Iran and Syria, and make Israel the dominant power in the region, and drive the Palestinians across the Jordan River." The source added that there "is obviously an agreement in Washington to do nothing." In a press conference a day after the Israel attack on Syria, President George W. Bush said Sharon had the right to "defend his own people," and then added, "We would be doing the same thing."

[ . . . . ]

This time, Sharon and Cheney do not intend to wait five years to get their war. Unless they are stopped, their timetable is to have Israel launch war on Syria by November 2003. And heaven help the American GIs in Iraq if Sharon and Cheney get their way. As Lyndon LaRouche has demanded, "Beast-man" Cheney needs to be dumped from power within the next 30 days; and, along with him, the entire neo-con cabal. As Bush "41" and Karl Rove must understand by now, Cheney and his gang of "Clean Break" fanatics are the albatross around George W. Bush's neck, and time is running out.

 http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3040cleanbreak.html

Be informed on this "War on Isla..er..Terror" 04.Nov.2003 03:28

Guy Adamson

Oh, so you are beginning to see a pattern are you... but you have no idea why these guys get so turned on by causing so much bloodshed and strife on an unsuspecting and rather ignorant world...

Let's go through it step by step shall we...

1.Presidential polls hit a new low as American freedoms are replaced by security clampdowns.

2.Neo-cons start worrying they'll lose their jobs and so start proving how patriotic and anti-Muslim they are (somebody has to take the blame).

3.There is increased chatter in the Media about "something big" about to go down.

4.Snippets of information start leaking from disgruntled US servicemen to family and friends, including warnings to evacuate danger zones, especially rather well-informed Israeli companies.

5.Fictitious "Al-Qaeda" rogues are seen scouting all manner of nuclear, aerospace and public facilities on a regular basis both in the US and in Arab states.

6.The overwhelmingly biased SS-type press paints a menacing picture of these "angry Muslims who hate our freedoms". Never daring to criticize Israel, for fear of the label "Anti-Semitic."

7.Secret trade deals go on in the background in stocks linked to Biotechnology, Aerospace and Nuclear parameters, with proxy punters making a quick buck for the Zionist coffers, all later untraceable of course.

8.Bush has another "premonition" that his country is going to need him in a time of crisis, looking into the cameras as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, in his actor's role as stupid gentile working for the 52nd state of Israel. (Don't worry incase he doesn't get re-elected, they have already groomed a Goy with Jewsih blood in him to replace him and carry on the agenda).

9.Afghanistan hits a quagmire as the Taliban regain power and are a threat to stopping the Heroin trade once again, Iraq is just as bad as the oil and minerals are being hampered by covering up the myth of Weapons of Mass Delusion which have been apparently shipped first class to Syria.

10.Zio-Nazis and far-right Christian Dispensationalists swamp the media with stories about the threat of Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as trying to point nuclear weaponry at poor defenseless wall-building Israel.

11.Before you know it, "something big" happens, but this time there are enough people who are wary and understand that the clues conveniently planted by so-called "Al-Qaeda" operatives are infact pathetic attempts at framing Arabs when infact, Sepharadim Arab Jews are dressed up and willing to go all out for the greater goal, and they won't mind shouting "Allahu Akbar" with their subterfuge either. Or to buy out a dumb Muslim patsy and catch him on video, or better still produce a video at Langley.

12.Meanwhile the American-Israeli ties are strengthened, while an all out war brews between the unsuspecting Christian West and Muslim East... but why?

If you are reading this and are not particularly religious, this might be a bit of a revelation. The Zio-Nazi Jews of this world are convinced that their world will end in about the year 2040 according to their religious book called the Talmud. They are hoping that they can be collectively redeemed by their promised messiah called the "Moshiach". One of the conditions that hasten his return is a clear path from Iran and Iraq all the way to Solomon's Third Temple, just the other side of the Wailing wall in Jerusalem, which entails the destruction of the two Muslim mosques of the Dome of the Rock and more importantly Masjid-Al-Aqsa, Islam's third holiest prayer place. They need an all-out war between Muslims and Christians to rid the world of "Unchosen dirty Goyim blood." And they are Hell-bent on achieving these goals pronto, just to be stubborn. They have even convinced naïve Christians that they are waiting for the same Messiah, a.k.a. Jesus, and painted the anti-Christ as if he is going to be a Muslim, whereas the only anti-Christs on Earth today are the Jews. Muslims are actually awaiting the second-coming of Jesus too, and from all the ones that I have met they love him more that many Christians do. The gentiles, that would mean us, the unaware ones according to the "Chosen race" of the Jews, can go to Hell. There, I said it, and now you know, just store it in your memory banks for future reference.

Remember all the inconsistencies of the 911 operation carried out efficiently by Mossad, including finding passports of suspects close by the WTC towers, a calm informed president faking it by reading to school kids and claiming piety afterwards, a pre-prepared speech by Ehud Barak on the BBC that was penned in realtime before 911 went down, at least 7 of the so-called hijackers shown in the media as being still alive and well after the event with no further journalistic fact finding, mobile text warnings to Jews from Odigo at the WTC 2 hours before its collapse, USAF "incompetence". As Chomsky, Said, Vidal, Mahathir and countless other intellectuals can vouch, America really is being duped by proxy into fighting for the Wolf in sheep clothing Jews who will ultimately light cigars in the background smirking gleefully whilst World War Threemaggeddon is in full Muslim-Christian confrontation.

So just remember, when you see a Jewish official, let's say Netanyahu, wearing a gas mask on TV weeping that America (or Europe for that matter) now knows how the Jews under siege feel, and that sympathies are shared, know this... not all Americans are dumb, and neither are they all Christian, and if it's a case of "you're either with us or against us!" then many will hate to be seen as Jewish collaborators in the near distant future.

I'm normal 04.Nov.2003 03:33

john

He is right about the planes what a racket they have
they might be practising for something big who knows

disparagy 04.Nov.2003 03:58

i'm okay pull the ladder up....

for all the speculation, based on pretty incriminating evidence, lets assume dubya is planning another war of terror on syria.......and that the dick cheney is the evil doer that all the available information in the public debating arena is correct.....how are 'you' going to 'persude' the dick cheney to leave office in 30 days? any ideas anyone....it seems a lot of people are aware of these pre emptive wars of terror on nations for mythical reasons are fought for geo political control and all the 'benefits' that brings to people like us......yes in our homes with our tv's and cars and even running water........17% of all the entire population on earth does not have access to clean drinking water......oh there will be foreign companies propagating lies that they are helping these nations extract their resource wealth, but on closer examination we see that for the myth it really is..........

our governments give us a few 'luxuries' to pacify us......while inflicting wars of terror on civillians in our name....

how do 'we' the 'people' stop these merchants of death......

a quick look into northwoods and the planned operation by our government to attack a ship of american citizens and blame it on the cubans in the pretext for starting 'trouble' with cuba.....inside this incidious document prepared by 'our' intelligence/dunce agency is also the classic plan to paint an airliner to look like an american airlines plane and commit a terrorist act with it to drum up the fury in the american people.....its all there in its uttmost heiniousness....

when the police, law agencies, judges at the highst level are run by corrupt people what can the citizens do?

why does the bush junta employ 10,000 lawyers at a cost of 2 billion to fight legal prosecutions from organisations like greenpeace about enviromental issuess? these lawyers make sure nothing too damning ever gets to court and when it does just hand pick your bush junta judicial figure to smooth things out......

every angle in every department is controlled by a few high ranking loyal bush lackies.

constantly peddle your lies and filth through government propaganda channels, ie the main stream media,tv and newspapers.......

all this talk about the usa using mini nukes in future battle zones....they have already used two in iraq by the sounds of things...unfortunatly i cannot find that link to substantiate the claim.......

now we have genetical warfare that will target an ethnicity through genes in various forms such as mousepox.....this is the latest in a long line of genetical chemical and biological warfare used by the usa and its wars of terror on nations unablle to defend themselves.....anyone doubting this go to www.rense.com/general36/history.htm

hence the internet is this very minute undergoing a transition in that government people are working on ways to 'censor' the internet.....too much truth is getting out from areas which are not under the governments net of 'reinventive reporting of truths'

we the people are too comfortable to take any real action and unite.......and unity is what these madmen and their cronies fear the most......

more 04.Nov.2003 04:37

roy shivers

The Bush Cabal now faces two fundamental problems with their plan for the New American Empire: a lack of troops and public support. This morning Dianne Feinstein was asked about the oncoming enlistment crisis in the American military. Almost half the troops will not re-enlist according to surveys, and even fewer of the reservists will sign up again. At a time when we need more troops to secure Iraq, the volunteer Army is deflating rapidly.

Feinstein weakly replied that a volunteer Army is preferable, but it may be unrealistic. Clearly, BushCo wants to manage the oil contracts and continue the Iraq occupation. The result of this greed combined with the neocon snubbing of the UN will prevent any international support. So the White House now face two options:

1) Retrain Iraqi military and quickly install Chalabi as permanent head of the governing council. Oil contracts would be still be handed out through the CPA, but the security would be done by private paramilitaries, former fedeyeen, and the Iraqi military. Any resistance would be crushed quickly, and Shiite and Kurd support would be coerced through violence or purchased outright. This is the "mow the place down" scenario from Trent Lott and the "realist conservatives."

2) Reinstitute a draft, with a "call to duty for Patriotic Americans." As all observers know, Bush will not sacrifice the oil contracts, and thus we will enjoy no support from the international community. But mothers will not send their sons to die in a war with questionable motives. Simply put, in today's political climate, a draft would be political suicide for Bush.

So how to manufacture the consent?

1) Some have predicted an attack on an ally, perhaps London or Israel. Such an attack would be the perfect pretext to deepen the UK/US/Israeli alliance and expand the military efforts with new British and Israeli troops. An attack on Israel would mobilize the US in particular, since any calls for American diplomacy would be labeled as anti-semitism by the ADL.

2) An attack on American soil. This is possible, and would allow for the expansion of the PATRIOT Act or the installment of the secret PATRIOT II. The draft could be reconstituted within days of the attack. It would justify Iraq because Bush would claim "See, the terrorist threat is real, and we had to go to Iraq." This type of Orwellian propaganda will be swallowed whole by the "News people" at TimeWarner/AOL/NewsCorp/GE/Vivendi/Disney/Infinity

3) Major attack on troops in Afghanistan or Iraq. This would also allow for the draft, but would weaken Bush politically. Unlikely at best, though with deteroriating situation in both countries, this may occur irrespective of BushCo's wishes.

4) Some have even gone so far as to suggest an Oliver Stone/JFK style scenario. Theidea being that Cheney, like LBJ, will give the capitalist elites the war they crave. LBJ didn't just go after Vietnam, he also murdered in Laos, Cambodia, and Indonesia in the last neocon "perpetual war." Similarly Cheney would directly attack Syria and Iran, and sponsor more outright attacks in Venezuela.

At this point to guess is nothing more than roulette, but all four scenarios would be a layup for experienced CIA psych-ops and a tightly controlled media. The hysteria, fear, confusion, and anger stemming from such events would give PNAC the new war they crave.

Remember the events that are colliding this week

1) 3 former CIA officials testify about White House manipulation of Iraq evidence
2) Leaking of Valerie Plame which threatens Rove/Eliot Abrams/Scooter Libby/
3) Sy Hersh and Josh Marshall's articles detailing the Niger fraud by the White House and Iraq WMD lies
4) 9-11 Committee calls for Bush to release documents despite whitewash pressure.
5) Key Republicans begin to break away from Bush (Hagel, McCain, Lugar) with regard to Iraq
6) E-voting scandal gains momentum as Swarthmore student protest begins to work. The Diebold memos are indeed more daming than the
Pentagon Papers and could indict the Republicans for massive vote fraud.
7) Polls show GW Bush sliding below 50% in approval and to the low 40's% with Iraq.

A new attack is the only thing that can save George W. Bush politically and save the PNAC perpetual war. The capitalist elites can see how close they are to their dream of rolling back the social safety net, and turning America into a third world country (huge divisions of wealth, mass imprisonment, huge debt, no human rights).

What is everyone hearing from their sources?


What else are people hearing?

Re: What the Hell? 04.Nov.2003 04:43

Origin origin@mediamonitors.org

"It's demeaning to the U.S. to make unwarraneted claims"

HUH??? What about the unwarranted claims that the US made regarding Iraq's WMD?? I'm sure the Iraqi population would have much preferred to be Demeaned, rather than killed in their beds by the butchering US military.

"Seriously, it's destructive to the reality of foreign policy to post B.S. articles"

ANYTHING that will destroy US Foreign Policy is a GOOD thing.
BBC's How George Bush stole the Election.  Banned in the United States
BBC's How George Bush stole the Election. Banned in the United States

Scotland 04.Nov.2003 04:53

JJ

Even debka.com is now reporting the unusual US Airforce activity coming into Scotland now!

Guy Adamson is right 04.Nov.2003 04:56

apostatejew

The plan that Guy Adamson talks about can be found on the following JEWISH website: www.thirtysix.org
Another site is www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm
This site considers Russia to still be Soviet (consider that Putin is ex-KGB) for instance, and predicts a Russia/Palestine alliance. Read the entire article, especially the part where the US is to be ruled by Talmudic law and public lands are given over for payment on the debt.
Both of these sites mentioned are authored by Zionist Jews who are not afraid to say what they really believe.
For those wh