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New US Attack About to Happen?

The U.S. Empire may be at it again. These insane U.S. terrorists MUST BE STOPPED, before they trigger WWIII!
Our 11th Hour...
Our 11th Hour...
From: the Peacewatchers at USAF's Fairford and Welford bases in the UK

Since Saturday, people in the Highlands of Scotland have been witnessing large movements of US warplanes overhead. Experienced observers say the large numbers are reminiscent of those that preceded the bombing of Iraq in 1998 and military strikes on Libya in the1980's as well as the first Gulf War.

At the weekend warplanes were flying over at a rate of roughly one every 15 minutes. As well as watching them from the ground the plane spotters have also been able to overhear pilots talking by listening to their radio frequencies.

At this rate some 288 warplanes would have passed over Scotland in three days.

It is thought that the planes have flown on a route from the US over the North Pole to bases in Europe and the Mediterranean. The size and scale of the movement suggests that the US may be preparing to strike at a country in the Middle East in the next week to ten days.

Please pass this information on as widely as possible- the US may be planning to use the pretext of "foreign" terrorist attacks on US personnel in Iraq to attack Iran or Syria. Please alert any sympathetic elected representatives, media representatives and other sympathetic organizations. Publicizing this military movement may prevent the air-strikes.

homepage: homepage: http://www.banthebomb.org


Bullshit 03.Nov.2003 19:37

adili

Same shit, different day. This guy never gives up. In truth, it reads to me like a dumb-ass cop trying to get dumb-ass dumb-asses to commit dumb-ass transgressions against the dumb-ass Homeland Security agency.

What the Hell? 03.Nov.2003 20:22

Ethan Dullis

This sounds like some whacky anti american rhetoric. It's demeaning to the U.S. to make unwarraneted claims. Seriously, it's destructive to the reality of foreign policy to post B.S. articles. The U.S. has made some bad choices, but you don't need to lie to fit in. There's anti-american (this) and there is legimate mistakes, learn the difference and get a day job.

Is this so unbelievable? 03.Nov.2003 20:38

silversurfer

Not sure where these last two comments are coming from, but if I understand them correctly........sheesh. Read the list of 7 nations on the hit list of the PNAC, beginning with Iraq, and the idea of a new strike on a middle east country very soon is not so unbelievable. Time will tell.

a bit too fantastic a claim, although. . . 03.Nov.2003 20:41

cary

sounds a bit too fantastic to be believed. since an attack could not be kept secret, it
would be pretty stupid for the US to launch yet another preemptive strike without
preceeding it with the usual lies and rhetoric ( the war fans have to be warmed
up to the idea first, of course ).

at the same time, this administration is clearly acting on its own, without care for
how the outcomes from their decisions will affect Americans in general.
they have shown themselves radical enough to launch a preemptive attack
without first informing the world of their motive, or giving good reason for action.

Responses from COINTELPRO? Or just trolls? 03.Nov.2003 20:46

Jeff

Hmm, the two responses above sound like they're written by the same person. And, what are they getting so uppity about? The vehemence with which they're attacking a fairly innocuous article is surprising. It's simply one person's reaction to what other people have reported to him/her, not agitating for "transgressions against Homeland Security." Yeesh. Whatever.

For my part, I thought the article was very interesting, particularly since I lived at RAF Welford when I was a kid. I don't lend much credence to the author's extrapolations, but it certainly doesn't merit the trolls getting all riled up.

I live near an amerikan AFB- There is INCREASED ACTIVITY here too 03.Nov.2003 21:09

Truth

I live near a major US AFB.
The sorties overhead are unbelievable. ( Unprecedented. I have lived here for 20+ years)
They fly one after the other day & NIGHT, no matter how late at night it is.

They are up to something.
Pity its not the white house & other houses in DC where they will drop their WMD ( when they are full of lobbiests & Gov whores...)
And YES it is only Isre-Hell & USA that has WMD. Bloody HYPOCRITS.

Bush & co have more blood lust than, count dracula, Adolf Hitler, Edgar Casey, Khameer Rouge, Charlie Manson & Jeffery Dahmer combined. Combine all the rotten murders & enumerate their victims and they will not add up to shrubs & sharons victims. ( Remember... these pigs aren't through slaughtering people and destroying the world yet.)
Remember too the biological THEY THEMSELVES ARE CREATING. It is bush/sharon. Not all the others they try to SCAPEGOAT for thie SINS.

At least hitlers restaig was an empty building. Can't say the same for bush/sharon & 911.
And I wonder... was Hitler after Zionists? Cause Zionists are not REAL JEWS. They are not good pious jews. And innocent & good hearted jews suffer because of them. Innocent muslims scapegoated suffer because of them. And alot of duped christians are accomplises to crimes they believe are good. Beware of false prophets. Ignorance was no excuse when the first people sinned. The same holds true today.

Check out these sites: ( Your TV news is just talking head whores. Why do you think they call it *PROGRAMMING* ???)

VOXFUX.COM

Whatreallyhappened.com

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE. ALL LIES ARE OF SATAN... SO IS OCCUPATION & TERROR BY USA & ISREAL. VICTIMS MY ASS. THEY PERPETRATED 911 to STEAL THE OIL... REMEMBER HOW MANY LIES BUSH & CO HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN.
THERE's a GIANT CLUE THERE. Anyone that cannot see that is blind & nothing can make a blind man see.

Wake up world.
KNOW WHO THE REAL ENEMY IS.

The terrorists are busy 03.Nov.2003 21:14

webber admin@nogw.com

9/11/2001 - WTC
10/12/2002 - Bali
11/13/2003 - ???

They are probably busy preparing for a "response" to another terrorist strike. It would go something like this. We have a dirty nuclear bomb attack in the U.S. Then Bush quickly dispatches a strike against whoever Sharon tells him to strike. One of Israel's enemies.
The Mossad is the "Al Qaeda" group that is responsible for the attack in the first place.

www.nogw.com

so what if we kill more humans 03.Nov.2003 21:19

bush can lie and kill how ever he wants

i wish the rest of the world were as nice as we are to the environment and fellow humands. lol

Could be one of those "pin prick" attacks aka Operation Desert Fox 03.Nov.2003 21:44

NORAD 9-11 STANDDOWN DUDE

These upcoming American attacks might not mean a "new war" but rather "pin prick attacks" like Clinton launched against Iraq in 1998 (Operation Desert Fox) or those missiles he lobbed at Afghanistan and Sudan.

Another possibility is that these attacks are aimed at Iraq and Afghanistan in that the so-called "war" has not been won and the USA effectively needs to reinvade these nations.

The terrorists are busy 03.Nov.2003 21:45

Trausti trausti@hraunfjord.com

Taking a look at the past decades, it would absolutely not be surprising if the US is preparing for a new war on some small and under develloped country. The Iraq oil adventure is only causing Bush and his cronies embarrasment and world wide criticism, so a new front would be welcome for them (thousands of civilian lives lost does not disturb their sleep anyway's). First destroying a country's infrastructure, then giving reconstruction contracts to US corporations will serve their agenda well.

The question I'd like ot get an answer on, is: When are the people of the world going to stop this mad-dog in the White House?

Trausti
_________________________________
www.hraunfjord.com/whatreallyhappened


what's wrong with the trolls? 03.Nov.2003 21:48

just wondering

My! My! The first two comments indicate that the trolls are up to something! What, I'm not sure. I rather suspect that it's
nothing more than their panties are all bunched up after a full shift of ass sitting monitoring this website. What ya think?

US prepares to defend Israel against bad case of SUNBURN? 03.Nov.2003 21:49

TerraHertz anon

See this article, on Russian supersonic nuclear weapons deployed in
Iran and Syria, targetted on Israel.
 http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/sunburn.html

If true, the Israeli masters of the USA must be going absolutely berserk,
demanding these missile launchers be taken out _at_all_costs_.

Oh, also look up Yakhont, Brahmos, and Skvaal - supersonic, radar
stealthy anti ship missiles, and supersonic torpedos.
Possessed now by Russia, China, India, and probably Iran and Syria.
At least.
US forces have no defense against this new generation of weapons.
The entire US navy, worldwide, could be sunk in a few minutes.

Waiting for the right moment....
The ability of the USA to project global military force will be terminated,
quite soon now.

There is far more to this than meets the eye... 03.Nov.2003 22:01

Sharp as Tacks

After seeing this posting a while ago, I decided to call a dear friend that lives in Aberdeen, Scotland to see what he had to
say about this. There is a joint RAF-USAF base there and he lives not hardly 3 miles from it, and he says there has been
an unbelievable amount of air traffic coming in and out of there over the past 3-4 days. It's like the US military is moving a
lot of their flying stock out of the States and shipping it off overseas for WHATEVER reason. Aberdeen appears to be mere
refueling stop as little of what comes in stays around. So, maybe this posting ain't bullshit at all, but a powerful warning
to those "who have eyes to see/ears to hear" that some serious business is about to take place. Don't belittle these type
of warnings is my advice. I sure don't and I be damned if going to let the troller's spook me away from them! How aboutYOU?

I TOO HEAR SOMETHING IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN 03.Nov.2003 22:14

tj

This afternoon I visited a friend who has a 20's-something son in the U.S. Air Force. The son has a job that is
obviously one calling for security clearances, and the father & son have a pre-arranged code that is rather simple
as they are aware that the son's phone calls are likely monitored. According to my friend, he got the coded message
that something BIG is indeed about to take place. Something really big, and he got no clue as to what it is, just that
our government is taking a lot of massive effort to gear up for it. So, I wouldn't be so quick to poobah this warning at
all. It seems strange that anyone would really. What is up? My feeling is...we'd all better keep our heads up now!

uhhh, ok... ? 03.Nov.2003 22:22

Bob

Sounds creepy to me

DEAF, DUMB AND BLIND 03.Nov.2003 22:35

SWORDBOY178

the US is currently groping around in the dark in the middle east,trying to convince the world that it will succeed.Arrogant people are never good listeners and that can do jock-strap attitude that governs the US leadership wont work.When you walk God's earth,tread softly and pull in your chest.What kind of a world would we have if it all resembled the Us.Maybe that's a thought that Americans should ponder more.Democracy is a good thing ,but there are better things in the world than democracy.How many people suffer today,and yet if that suffering were removed,will it not create suffering of a new kind.The only way is God's way......Why dont they learn from the California fires.Can't you see the hand of God in these thing's. Deaf,dumb and blind......they will not return to the path.........These are the words from the lord of the worlds.......if only the citizens of the US were not as cattle crazing in the field.

THIS MOM IS WORRIED 03.Nov.2003 22:42

worried mom

My daughter works at the Pentagon and she e-mails me daily with short note from her office during her lunch break.
Today's message had this: "Mom, how is Aunt Bertha?...Is Aunt Bertha getting any better?...Please give Aunt Bertha
a hug 'n' kiss for me next time you see her...I've always dearly loved Aunt Bertha!" Sounds like innocent ramblings to
most I'm sure. However, Aunt Bertha died 12 years ago, and this is our little code that something nasty is about to
take place. Whenever the name Aunt Bertha comes up, and depending on the number of times it's used, then I'm
given advance warning that something is going to happen. Last time I got one with four mentions of Aunt Bertha is
the Friday before 9-11. So guess we'd better get ready, cause the BIG BERTHA is coming.

Uh-oh! Another Staged 9-11 Reichstag Fire is coming? 03.Nov.2003 22:50

NORAD 9-11 STANDDOWN DUDE

Reading some of the comments above, it really makes you think that some "provocation" is being set up (i.e. another phony Terrorist attack ala 9-11), with the US military being prepositioned to attack the designated Patsy country.

Remember, during the summer of 2001 the USA had told other countries it was planning to attack Afghanistan even before 9-11 so conveniently happened.

The question is: Who is the target country? Syria, Iran, Saudia Arabia, North Korea?

Who?

When?

Where?

Ever read the U. S. Constitution?? 03.Nov.2003 22:52

T. Jefferson

Specifically, Article 1, Section 8: "CONGRESS shall have power...to declare war...." You can site the "War Powers Act", ad nauseum, but the Constitution's just pretty plain to me! We have gone from having Constitutional 'separation of powers' to having a dictatorship. Like it or not, it happens to be the truth.

Let me ask you Bush followers: If (God forbid) Hillary Clinton is elected in 2008, would you want her to have all of the power that the Republican Congress has lavished on Bush??

May God forgive us, and have mercy upon us!

Oh please... 03.Nov.2003 23:35

Are you blind?

Someone in this string is messing with you all. They are trying to make fools of everyone on Indymedia. This has been going on for at least a week. There are phony stories, posts that re-enforce those stories, posts that egg others on. This person is sitting back at their computer and laughing at all the people he/she is fooling. There is a pattern. They are easy to spot if you open your eyes.

Indymedia deserves better than this. Sharpen up people.

makes sense 03.Nov.2003 23:36

roy shivers

I normally discount reports like this Scotland one, but something of it rings true to me.

1) Before 9-11, Bush polled at about 50%. Post 9-11 he peaked at 90%. Before the attacks he was a lame duck president embroiled in corporate scandals. Post 9-11 the reactionary Republican agenda moved through with little debate, with the population shut out of the process.

2) Polls are usually bad science. But even the corporate media polls on Iraq now indicate BushCo is losing control of the American population  http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm The propaganda war was supposed to manufacture the consent of the people, but Joseph Wilson and the failure to find WMD have exposed the Bush lies. The dam is close to breaking, with mainstream journalists like Joshua Marshall and Sy Hersh busting the Niger story wide open last week.

The same week as those two articles, three former Senior C.I.A. officials testify in front of Senate Democrats. In damning detail, they explain how the White House defrauded the American people with a manufactured case for war. They talked about Dick Cheney's 4 visits to Langley, and his personal pressure on CIA analysts. All three said this kind of pressure was unprecedented, and represented a clear politicization of the agency. The hearings were ignored of course, but represent a further break in the dam. The CIA, enraged at being manipulated and then scapegoated, may take its revenge in the form of leaks. For now it is former officials, but they also intimated their statements were representative of many current employees in the agency.

Then the helicopter attack where 16 soldiers die. The polls were taken before this attack, so when the new approval ratings emerge next week, Bush is headed for political freefall. He could reach a 40% approval rating, with Iraq approval sinking to 40% or below. This kind of damage would be impossible to counteract with conventional propaganda.

There are no soldiers for a big new war. There is no way Bush can get Congressional approval for an attack on Syria with the American public being so skeptical. One month ago when John Bolton gave a Iraq-style scare speech about Syria's "Nuclear Program," no one listened. The neocons must have recognized this as their imminent fall from power. The influence makers know that they could not sell the public another war, not under the present conditions.

And yet the PNAC goonsquad of bankers, weapons makers, and oil barons thirsts for another war of conquest to consolidate their new empire in the Middle East. Israel dreams of eliminating Syria and with it, Lebanon, for military and economic reasons. The Republican propagandists (Rove and Company) need a new terror attack or war to change the polls, which show no signs of changing. The elites in America will support a new war because it will allow them to further bankrupt the government, allowing for the rollback of all social programs. In other words, it is a play right out of the PNAC plan for "perpetual warfare." Manufactured wars against weak countries, with a compliant press hiding their true motives and the resulting enrichment of the elites.

Bush is facing a crisis as hawks like John McCain and Chuck Hagel have compared Iraq to Vietnam. The Democrats now seriously believe they can win the election, despite Bush's massive election slush fund ($300 million or more) because the poll numbers are so grim.

Nevertheless, BushCo has prepared for such a public revolt with help from Diebold and ES&S, the electronic voting machines. Despite the legimitate possibility of outright election theft, the machines will be used since so many states have already purchased them. We may be able to prevent more from being purchased, but there is little hope of installing a paper trail on the machines, or having a fair election in 2004.

Now, the election theft will work in close races for House or Senate seats. If the results produce a 5% swing in what the polls predicted, it will quickly be explained as "Bush loyalists," or "white male support," as was done in the Georgia election fraud of 2002 for the Gubernatorial and Senate elections. This will happen all over the country.

With exit polls gone and the VNS disbanded, there will be no way to prove the results were manufacured. The system was aligned perfectly for the Republicans.

Just keep it close, keep it near 50%, and let the machines do the rest.

But the plan falls apart if Bush reaches 40% in the polls. Then the fraud is too difficult to pass along even to the corporate media. They will swallow a Florida again, but not something that blatant.

So back to this week. Bush is reaching a potential fall into the low 40's in the polls as the Iraq quagmire worsens and our military looks increasingly weak. The PNAC agenda is in danger. Some Republicans are even advising Bush to cut and run, as State Dept. stories indicate.

This week Noam Chomsky predicted a "new scare" in a talk. For months he has written about Reagan's use of the same tactics (Grenada, Libya) before the 1984 elections. Without a new war, the neocons will lose the White House and their perpetual war may end. Like Kennedy in the early stages of Vietnam, Bush is at the critical point where we decide whether to get in deep or bail out. The next few months will decide.

PNAC can not risk an end to their political influence. The voting machine scam won't work if Bush is below 45%, so they have to go to Plan C and start another war. In their original plans, the Iraq war would segway seamlessly into the Syrian invasion, but the failure to find WMD hampered their effort. Now the American people are starting to call for a return of the troops in Iraq.

One other reason for attack.

The Bush Administration is finally being asked for documents relating to what they knew about 9-11, and calls for an independent inquiry are rising from Senate Democrats.

The PATRIOT Act has become a political liability as people hear about its implications. Republicans may lose the far-right libertarian vote that is so crucial in the Midwest and Southern states. Wesley Clark and Howard Dean are talking about repealing parts or all of the act. Many in the national security and intelligence circles will not tolerate the Warren Court rulings and want to crush civil liberties. This issue is crucial for them, and a new war will eliminate discussion of the PATRIOT Act

Clearly PNAC does not play by the rules and will manufacture another terrorist attack to reignite their flames of their perpetual war. Perhaps they know of an attack thats coming and will do nothing, in a stand down similar to the one I feel happened on 9-11.

In other words, I believe the story about these planes in Scotland. I feel that the reactionary elements in the government are planning something, confident that their plans will never be exposed. After all, only a few thousand people will view this site, at most. The story of their pre-made war would never be told, and the Scotland plane departures would be lost in the memory hole. A manufactured war would bury the new questions about 9-11, and allow the junta to continue their war on democracy.

The next few months should be interesting, but I know check my new with a profound fear that a new global conflict is being planned at the highest circles. I hope in one month I don't remember this article as we submerge into a new Middle East conflict.

Get ready for another "911-like" attack. 04.Nov.2003 00:09

Ol' GB

If what you are saying is correct, we may be in for another stage terror attack. Remember: many of the elements used to attack Afghanistan and and Iraq were in place and ready long before the pretext, i.e. the "attacks" that precipitated the invasions took place. Maybe Bush is also thinking about using the next attack as a pretext to push Patriot Act II through congress, win the next election, and declare martial law using FEMA to "control" the political unrest, if it doesn't succeed smoothly.

Sept.11 World trade centre... Oct. 12 Bali.... do the math.... 04.Nov.2003 00:10

Curious

Seriously....... Sept.11 2001 World trade centre... Oct. 12 2002 Bali.... do the math.... NOVEMBER 13 2003

The PNAC Agenda 04.Nov.2003 00:22

usdissenter gissingfan@comcast.net

Putting into play the PNAC statement of "principles" for world domination is the true agenda of bushco. Nothing is else matters to them. While mounting such a secret massing of airpower for a strike on one of the remaining six targets might seem farfetched three years ago, it is certainly very believable today. We have to wake people up to this threat, not only as to the rest of the world, but as to the very survival of our Republic as knew, before the pResident was handed the keys to the White House by a 5-4 Supreme Court decision.

Increased Air Activity 04.Nov.2003 00:51

LizTalk

I cannot understand why people do not see the truth here when it comes to American foreign policy. If this is true you can bet that America is planning another attack on an Arab country. Most likely one that has oil but I cannot speculate when the attack will take place but probably before the elections. That is sure. No one has ever been captured or prosecuted. Furthermore over 15 million people protested around the world protested of the invasion of a sovereign country and we still attacked them. That was not war but an act of cowardness!

Would Europe be a target? 04.Nov.2003 01:03

Ol' GB

You know I'm wondering whether Europe could be a target for a major terrorist attack? Europe has not been supportive of Bush in his war against "terrorism"; with a majority of people in places like Germany and France holding the opinion that 911 was an inside job; with a recent EU poll of 7500 people indicated that Europeans think the two greatest threats to world peace is Israel and the US. Hmm...time to teach someone a lesson. http://www.prolog.net/webnews/wed/bl/Qeu-poll-israel.R78C_DN3.html

Commom sense 04.Nov.2003 01:09

Curio

If there is to be a dirty bomb attack, then north korea will be blamed

come on guys ...... 04.Nov.2003 01:16

get a grip.

I will just bring up ta couple of things....

In england parts of the media are in 'open season' as far as the government are concerned. I hardly think a large redeployment of US aircraft will have escaped their attention.

The US military have no love for Bush and Co at the moment so I sure something would have leaked. I mean 'Aunt Bertha'?? really !!

Not even a sniff out of PRAVDA or Le Monde!! This is a stir!!!!

Moderate Increase In Activity CO 04.Nov.2003 01:23

Marlboro Man

Moderately increase air transport activity near NORAD's base. Can't say it is enormous increase but a bit more lately than normal perhaps.

is this it? 04.Nov.2003 01:26

TerraHertz

My guess: Another staged terror attack (a big one) in the USA,
followed by 'retaliation' against the 'terrorist states' - Iran
and Syria, maybe Nth Korea. Air strikes which will happen to be
targetted on the locations of the Russian Sunburn missile sites.

But! I wonder.... Russia will have anticipated such an all-out air
attack on the (Russian operated) Sunburn sites, given that the
stakes are the survival of Israel. Putin & co are no fools.

Are they prepared?
Maybe setting up the USA to strike the first blow, giving Russia,
China, etc a good case of 'self defence' for use of all the other
stuff they have (yakhonts, etc)?


Another bit of background to this: Putin has been taking firm steps
to kick the NWO/US/Jewish capitalists out of the Russian oil (and other)
industry.... that will enrage Israel and the US oil interests too.
Check out the recent Mikhail Khodorkovsky / Yukos saga.
Khordorkovsky now in gaol in Russia, he tried to flee before arrest,
now has resigned his Yukos position, rumours his controlling interest
has passed to Rothschild... major political turmoil in Russia, Putin
making speeches that sound like 'everybody sit down or get shot' (but
expressed much more politely.)
Putin (and therefore the KGB which he used to head) is going hard up
against the Jews and Rothschilds! Thats the kind of shit that starts
world wars.

Russia, China and India recently completed world wide naval exercises
in which they simulated taking out a 'major naval opponent'. Successfully,
according to their announcements. And yes, they do have the means.
Also keep in mind that most of the available US ground forces are
tied down in Iraq. A good time to eliminate US naval forces - trapping
most US heavy weaponry on the other side of the globe from the USA.

And that stuff about Bush/Republican approval ratings is dead right-
they are dead in the water. Plus its looking like enough yanks now
know about the rigged voting machines, that the 2004 election win
for Bush will be very problematical.

So, the Bushites *need* something big... something that makes elections
and approval ratings, and problems with the patriot act, and revelations
about past US government coverups of Israeli bastardry (see USS Liberty),
and collapsing US economy and currency, and talk of impeaching Bush,
all irrelevent. They need a full-on national emergency and all-out war.
And they need it soon.

Is this it, starting now?

is this it? 04.Nov.2003 01:29

TerraHertz

My guess: Another staged terror attack (a big one) in the USA,
followed by 'retaliation' against the 'terrorist states' - Iran
and Syria, maybe Nth Korea. Air strikes which will happen to be
targetted on the locations of the Russian Sunburn missile sites.

But! I wonder.... Russia will have anticipated such an all-out air
attack on the (Russian operated) Sunburn sites, given that the
stakes are the survival of Israel. Putin & co are no fools.

Are they prepared?
Maybe setting up the USA to strike the first blow, giving Russia,
China, etc a good case of 'self defence' for use of all the other
stuff they have (yakhonts, etc)?


Another bit of background to this: Putin has been taking firm steps
to kick the NWO/US/Jewish capitalists out of the Russian oil (and other)
industry.... that will enrage Israel and the US oil interests too.
Check out the recent Mikhail Khodorkovsky / Yukos saga.
Khordorkovsky now in gaol in Russia, he tried to flee before arrest,
now has resigned his Yukos position, rumours his controlling interest
has passed to Rothschild... major political turmoil in Russia, Putin
making speeches that sound like 'everybody sit down or get shot' (but
expressed much more politely.)
Putin (and therefore the KGB which he used to head) is going hard up
against the Jews and Rothschilds! Thats the kind of shit that starts
world wars.

Russia, China and India recently completed world wide naval exercises
in which they simulated taking out a 'major naval opponent'. Successfully,
according to their announcements. And yes, they do have the means.
Also keep in mind that most of the available US ground forces are
tied down in Iraq. A good time to eliminate US naval forces - trapping
most US heavy weaponry on the other side of the globe from the USA.

And that stuff about Bush/Republican approval ratings is dead right-
they are dead in the water. Plus its looking like enough yanks now
know about the rigged voting machines, that the 2004 election win
for Bush will be very problematical.

So, the Bushites *need* something big... something that makes elections
and approval ratings, and problems with the patriot act, and revelations
about past US government coverups of Israeli bastardry (see USS Liberty),
and collapsing US economy and currency, and talk of impeaching Bush,
all irrelevent. They need a full-on national emergency and all-out war.
And they need it soon.

Is this it, starting now?

Don't Worry About Russia/China toys 04.Nov.2003 01:46

Marlboro Man

Area 51 Unleashed -- None on the Planet Can Compete -

The US, Russians, Chinese ALL on the same side. Remember Only A United Planet Can Defend The Human Race.

It's all a smokescreen leading to a "Cosmic War To Come."

Europe in the cross-hairs? 04.Nov.2003 02:11

Ol' GB

"It is time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world, or even that they occupy the same world."

- Robert Kagan

Another neo-con nugget.

The other day Bush vowed to - 'stay course' - and he will... 04.Nov.2003 02:18

Zach

When something big happens, if there are any surprised American's, it will be those that refuse to listen to the truth. The truth about these PNAC fucker's and this pitiful excuse for an American Administration is that, this shit has been planned out, way, way in advance. Of course they will report to the masses of deaf & blind that this was a necessary military move in the 'war on terror' - but what they will not tell the masses is that, this, all of this has been cookin in the book's for a long time. None of this has anything to do with 9/11 - that was just a bonus for them.
U.S. EMPIRE - no sleep 'till Damascus

yanks go home 04.Nov.2003 02:38

big xl

here comes ww3 george adolf bush...

Heh MOM, you better be worried about your daughters job.... 04.Nov.2003 02:40

LudicrousLucifer ludicrous_lucifer@yahoo.co.uk

In the posting titled "THIS MOM IS WORRIED 03.Nov.2003 22:42", she states that her daughter works at the pentagon, and that they had this code that if the daughter mentioned a dead relative (Aunt Bertha), then something big was happening!

Well 'mom', you've just gave away that code, and probably lost your daughter her job as well - don't you think the CIA/NSA/whatever scan thru all these message boards for just this sort of thing .....

Stop pulling our leg 04.Nov.2003 02:42

Jesus H pHucking Christ

For hells sake, somebody is pulling our leg. Get a clue.

Syria is next. Israeli Land invasion, supported by US tanks and bombers 04.Nov.2003 02:43

scotbot

Think there's gonna be a terrorist attack on 13th of the month ...

Check this out:

Twin Towers : 11/09/03
Bali Bombing : 12/10/03
Next attack : 13/11/03

Do you see the pattern here ...

Both attacks occurred because American NeoCons needed a pretext to go on it's war of conquest.

The Twin Towers happened to allow them to go into Afghanistan. The Bali Bombing occurred to get Australia's parliament to approve of action against Iraq: prior to the bombing the Aussies were swithering on action, then they changed their minds and became resolute in support of the war.

Now, all the rhetoric is against Syria. Apparently, they have Saddam's billions; no, wait a minute, they have his WMDs; no wait a minute, that's where all the Iraqi leaders went; no wait a minute, that's where the Iraqi resistance is coming from.

You see they need an pretext to go in (just like Poland in 1939, eh?) and terrorist attacks give them that. It's all smoke and mirrors. The terrorism is a trick to distract us, whilst the real plan is put into action. Just like stage magic, the illusion only works because we don't notice what's really going on. Eg, we don't notice inordinate build-ups of USAF bombers at UK bases, the kind of which has been observed by people recently.

Let's guess the next attack is gonna be a dirty bomb somewhere ... how about London? Why there? Because there's been rather a lot of "speculation" from senior police officers and intelligence officials "warning" that it's only a matter of time before it happens.

I'm not saying there will be an US-UK invasion of Syria, but the US might give the Israeli's air or tank support.

Here's some website links for you to come up with your own conclusion:

US warns Syria against support for Iraq  http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?id=433172003&tid=406
Blair joins Bush in warning Iran, Syria  http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_265401,0005.htm
Powell warns Syria and Iran  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2901689.stm
Powell deals Syria new warning  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2943871.stm
Powell gives Syria 'final warning' over terrorism  link to www.telegraph.co.uk
New threats of action against Syria  http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,936027,00.html
Syria Rejects U.S. Allegations as Threats  link to dailynews.att.net
Hawks recycle arguments for Iraq war against Syria  http://washingtontimes.com/world/20030416-64307592.htm
Bush's Syrian Dilemma  http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0304/S00138.htm
Syria could be next, warns Washington  http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,935943,00.html
Syrians see Washington words as preparation for attack  link to news.ft.com
Plan to invade Syria was drawn up years ago  http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=3971&lang=en
A strong warning to Syria: Perle, a Pentagon adviser, sees more preemption in future  http://www.iht.com/articles/93022.html
U.S. Adviser Perle Warns Syria Over Iraqi Weapons  http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2553595
Israeli general says Iraq war has boosted security  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msid=44656483
Iran, Syria get grave warning - Israel Pushes For Wider War  link to www.thestar.com
Israel Wants U.S. To Attack Syria  http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/93/375/9774_Palestine.html
Israel wants strike on Syria while iron's hot  http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak17.html
Israeli leader adds his voice to new Mideast war of words  link to www.thestar.com
Israel to U.S.: Now deal with Syria and Iran  link to www.haaretzdaily.com
Israeli Calls for 'Regime Change' in Iran, Syria  http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2643315
Shock and Assad - Israel's wish list  link to www.haaretzdaily.com
Would President Assad invite a cruise missile to his palace?  http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=397347
PHASE TWO BEGINS: The 'liberators' of the Middle East are ready for the next stage in their campaign to make the world safe for Israel  http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j041403.html
US 'not targeting Iran or Syria'  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2920619.stm
Iraq Neighbors Warned: U.S. Is Watching Behavior  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14755-2003Apr12.html
Syria now top US target for 'regime change'  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/08/wsyria08.xml
Ex-CIA chief gets tough on Syria  link to www.thestar.com
Syria: U.S. Insists Damascus Poses A Threat, But Motives And Objectives Remain Unclear  http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/04/08042003160204.asp
You're With the Terrorists If You're Not for Invading Syria  http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Apr/04162003/commenta/commenta.asp
Syria in the US spotlight  link to www.janes.com
Syria expects the worst  http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED09Ak02.html
Syria Is Our Next Victim - Wake Up To The Atrocity!  http://www.rense.com/general37/syria.htm
Syria next on the mass destruction list  link to www.nzherald.co.nz
For Some, Syria Looms as Next Goal  http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52483-2003Apr7?language=printer
THE ROAD TO DAMASCUS: YOU'RE NEXT  http://www.etherzone.com/2003/nova040803.shtml
On to Damascus?  http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31953
Global Eye -- Damascus Road  http://www.tmtmetropolis.ru/stories/2003/04/11/120.html
Are They Syrious? Next Stop: Damascus  http://www.reason.com/links/links041403.shtml
Road to Damascus next for Bush?  link to www.thestar.com
Syria Might Be Next: The American administration wants to change the Syrian government  http://english.pravda.ru/world/2003/04/09/45838.html
Hawks in U.S. Eyeing Syria As Next Target: Debating its threat to region  link to www.newsday.com
MAD DOGS OF WAR: Neocon pit-bulls snarl at Syria: 'You're next!'  http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j050703.html
Analysis: Tough talk on Syria: Prelude to attack?  link to www.sacbee.com
Analysis: Is Syria next?  http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030414-092018-7380r
Patrick Seale: Why are the U.S. and Israel threatening Syria?  http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/print.asp?ArticleID=84658
Is Syria next on the US hit-list?  link to www.hindustantimes.com
US tells Syria to co-operate or risk conflict  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-645911,00.html
Terror-friendly Syria needs a change, too  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/75794p-70003c.html
US Targets Syria Next  link to www.newvision.co.ug
U.S. hawks set sights on Iran and Syria  http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=1754028

As you can see, that's rather a lot of links (some of which may no longer work), but that's just the balance of evidence regarding the forthcoming attack on Iraq. You see it's not not going to happen. There's no if, just when. Time will tell in the end.

If they scan 04.Nov.2003 02:43

Wizard

Then scan this...

There is a bigger power in this world ... watching.... waiting

pay your taxes 04.Nov.2003 02:55

the taxman

as long as everybody pays their taxes. jeesh we could not bomb and maim all those innocent women and children, if the slaves, er sorry workers didant contribute the randsom/taxes to fund the attack er i mean defense.

pay your taxes to fund the mass murder and illegal resource grabbing of nations who cannot defend themselves....

you can all moan and whine about anything as much as y'all want, do yo all pay the randsom? er i mean taxes?

ever wondered how much it costs to carry out a cataract operation to prevent blindness in third world areas? its $17...for $17 million doallars you can prevent blindness in one million people.........or drop 8 of those $2 million doallar bombs........

i call on all of you out there to make it your deed for the day to find out how much your government is spending on attack spending...er i mean the defense budget, add on all the estimated 'black costs' for black programmes......take this figure for the 'defense budget' against spending for all other areas, i.e health/roads etc..... if the defense spending comes to say 40% then simply refuse to pay the government 40% of any tax in whatever form....wages etc.....

if you do not want to take a stand then pay your taxes.......

Holy Shit--More Corroboration about What is Coming! 04.Nov.2003 03:04

NORAD 9-11 STANDDOWN DUDE

I found these article from the Lyndon Larouche site. I know some people have problem with his politics, but in terms of his intelligence and analysis he is usually spot on. Note that these analysis were printed BEFORE all the recent reports about the flurry of US military activity in foreign bases. Also, note in particular the NOVEMBER 2003 timetable for an American/Israeli attack on Syria and Iran, then later on a 2004 attack on North Korea just before the 2004 (s)elections. Reading these reports retroactively is kind of scary in that you can see THE PLAN falling into place before your very eyes. It all fits. Please distribute this information far and wide. Maybe we can stop this thing before the Fascists in Washington DC and Tel Aviv take down the entire planet...

Here are the relevant passages:

LaRouche said that we have reached a strategic danger-point where, unless "Beast-man" Dick Cheney is dumped from the Bush Administration, and "Beast-man" Sharon is stopped, a new Middle East war is virtually certain between now and some point in November, with the possible new, horrific feature of Israeli use of nuclear weapons against targets inside the territory of Iran. Israel is economically and strategically bankrupt, and hopeless. Sharon is losing ground. Under these circumstances, the mad-dog faction in Israel could use nuclear weapons versus Iran.

LaRouche drew attention to the report, published in the Oct. 12, 2003 Los Angeles Times ("Israel Adds Subs to Its Atomic Ability," by Douglas Frantz), that Israel now has deployed submarines, carrying nuclear-armed Harpoon missiles, able to strike Iran and other regional targets.

LaRouche further warned: The U.S. military has no capability for carrying out any further wars, so long as American forces are tied down in Iraq—unless the U.S.A., too, were to resort to the use of nuclear weapons. Thus, if the current, planned Israeli war stunt is not stopped now, we also face the prospect—going into the pre-U.S.A. election Autumn of 2004—of a desperate Cheney-led and chicken-hawk-dominated Bush Administration being tempted to use nuclear weapons against North Korea. At this moment, the neo-conservatives in and around the Bush Administration are pushing for Israel to use nuclear weapons to set the precedent for the later American use of mini-nukes against targets in North Korea. The controllers of this neo-con war-party apparatus need their Sharon asset to do the job, to set off this chain of events.

LaRouche concluded, that an American Presidential crackdown on Sharon is the only near-certain way to stop this Sharon war plan. The danger in the immediate period ahead is that Israel attacks Syria and then Iran, leading to a U.S.A. nuclear attack on North Korea just prior to the 2004 Presidential elections.

 http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2003/031014cheney_mewar.html

Another relevant article...

`A Clean Break' Revisited

Turn the clock back seven years. On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle, currently a member, and formerly the head of the Defense Policy Board in the Don Rumsfeld Pentagon, delivered a document to the new Israeli Prime Minister, Jabotinskyite Benjamin Netanyahu. Perle, and a team of American neo-cons, had been tasked by Netanyahu—through the Israeli think tank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS)—to draft a strategy for abrogating the Oslo Accords and overturning the entire concept of "comprehensive land for peace," in favor of a jackboot policy of U.S.-Israeli-Turkish raw military conquest and occupation.

The short policy memo, which Netanyahu, and his successor-Likud Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, totally adopted as the core strategy of their administrations, spelled out a four-pronged attack on the peace process and the entire Arab world. It has become a self-evident truth that, since the Bush "43" and Sharon governments came into power simultaneously in early 2001, "A Clean Break" has been the guiding strategic doctrine of both—particularly following the irregular warfare attacks on New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001.

The Perle-Wurmser policy document demanded: 1) Destroy Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority, blaming them for every act of Palestinian terrorism, including the attacks from Hamas, an organization which Sharon had helped launch during his early 1980s tenure as Minister of Defense. 2) Induce the United States to overthrow the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. 3) Launch war against Syria after Saddam's regime is disposed of, including striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and targets in Syria proper. 4) Parlay the overthrow of the Ba'athist regimes in Baghdad and Damascus into the "democratization" of the entire Arab world, including through further military actions against Iran, Saudi Arabia, and "the ultimate prize," Egypt (see Documentation following for the "Clean Break" report).

On Oct. 5, for the first time in 30 years, Israel launched bombing raids against Syria, targetting a purported "Palestinian terrorist camp" inside Syrian territory. The bombing immediately raised fears that Sharon is preparing a nuclear strike, most likely against Iran. A senior Israeli intelligence source told EIR that Sharon's action was clearly backed by the "pro-Sharon" crowd in Washington, led by Vice President Dick Cheney and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz: "They continue to be committed to their basic plan: Destroy Iran and Syria, and make Israel the dominant power in the region, and drive the Palestinians across the Jordan River." The source added that there "is obviously an agreement in Washington to do nothing." In a press conference a day after the Israel attack on Syria, President George W. Bush said Sharon had the right to "defend his own people," and then added, "We would be doing the same thing."

[ . . . . ]

This time, Sharon and Cheney do not intend to wait five years to get their war. Unless they are stopped, their timetable is to have Israel launch war on Syria by November 2003. And heaven help the American GIs in Iraq if Sharon and Cheney get their way. As Lyndon LaRouche has demanded, "Beast-man" Cheney needs to be dumped from power within the next 30 days; and, along with him, the entire neo-con cabal. As Bush "41" and Karl Rove must understand by now, Cheney and his gang of "Clean Break" fanatics are the albatross around George W. Bush's neck, and time is running out.

 http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3040cleanbreak.html

Be informed on this "War on Isla..er..Terror" 04.Nov.2003 03:28

Guy Adamson

Oh, so you are beginning to see a pattern are you... but you have no idea why these guys get so turned on by causing so much bloodshed and strife on an unsuspecting and rather ignorant world...

Let's go through it step by step shall we...

1.Presidential polls hit a new low as American freedoms are replaced by security clampdowns.

2.Neo-cons start worrying they'll lose their jobs and so start proving how patriotic and anti-Muslim they are (somebody has to take the blame).

3.There is increased chatter in the Media about "something big" about to go down.

4.Snippets of information start leaking from disgruntled US servicemen to family and friends, including warnings to evacuate danger zones, especially rather well-informed Israeli companies.

5.Fictitious "Al-Qaeda" rogues are seen scouting all manner of nuclear, aerospace and public facilities on a regular basis both in the US and in Arab states.

6.The overwhelmingly biased SS-type press paints a menacing picture of these "angry Muslims who hate our freedoms". Never daring to criticize Israel, for fear of the label "Anti-Semitic."

7.Secret trade deals go on in the background in stocks linked to Biotechnology, Aerospace and Nuclear parameters, with proxy punters making a quick buck for the Zionist coffers, all later untraceable of course.

8.Bush has another "premonition" that his country is going to need him in a time of crisis, looking into the cameras as if butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, in his actor's role as stupid gentile working for the 52nd state of Israel. (Don't worry incase he doesn't get re-elected, they have already groomed a Goy with Jewsih blood in him to replace him and carry on the agenda).

9.Afghanistan hits a quagmire as the Taliban regain power and are a threat to stopping the Heroin trade once again, Iraq is just as bad as the oil and minerals are being hampered by covering up the myth of Weapons of Mass Delusion which have been apparently shipped first class to Syria.

10.Zio-Nazis and far-right Christian Dispensationalists swamp the media with stories about the threat of Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as trying to point nuclear weaponry at poor defenseless wall-building Israel.

11.Before you know it, "something big" happens, but this time there are enough people who are wary and understand that the clues conveniently planted by so-called "Al-Qaeda" operatives are infact pathetic attempts at framing Arabs when infact, Sepharadim Arab Jews are dressed up and willing to go all out for the greater goal, and they won't mind shouting "Allahu Akbar" with their subterfuge either. Or to buy out a dumb Muslim patsy and catch him on video, or better still produce a video at Langley.

12.Meanwhile the American-Israeli ties are strengthened, while an all out war brews between the unsuspecting Christian West and Muslim East... but why?

If you are reading this and are not particularly religious, this might be a bit of a revelation. The Zio-Nazi Jews of this world are convinced that their world will end in about the year 2040 according to their religious book called the Talmud. They are hoping that they can be collectively redeemed by their promised messiah called the "Moshiach". One of the conditions that hasten his return is a clear path from Iran and Iraq all the way to Solomon's Third Temple, just the other side of the Wailing wall in Jerusalem, which entails the destruction of the two Muslim mosques of the Dome of the Rock and more importantly Masjid-Al-Aqsa, Islam's third holiest prayer place. They need an all-out war between Muslims and Christians to rid the world of "Unchosen dirty Goyim blood." And they are Hell-bent on achieving these goals pronto, just to be stubborn. They have even convinced naïve Christians that they are waiting for the same Messiah, a.k.a. Jesus, and painted the anti-Christ as if he is going to be a Muslim, whereas the only anti-Christs on Earth today are the Jews. Muslims are actually awaiting the second-coming of Jesus too, and from all the ones that I have met they love him more that many Christians do. The gentiles, that would mean us, the unaware ones according to the "Chosen race" of the Jews, can go to Hell. There, I said it, and now you know, just store it in your memory banks for future reference.

Remember all the inconsistencies of the 911 operation carried out efficiently by Mossad, including finding passports of suspects close by the WTC towers, a calm informed president faking it by reading to school kids and claiming piety afterwards, a pre-prepared speech by Ehud Barak on the BBC that was penned in realtime before 911 went down, at least 7 of the so-called hijackers shown in the media as being still alive and well after the event with no further journalistic fact finding, mobile text warnings to Jews from Odigo at the WTC 2 hours before its collapse, USAF "incompetence". As Chomsky, Said, Vidal, Mahathir and countless other intellectuals can vouch, America really is being duped by proxy into fighting for the Wolf in sheep clothing Jews who will ultimately light cigars in the background smirking gleefully whilst World War Threemaggeddon is in full Muslim-Christian confrontation.

So just remember, when you see a Jewish official, let's say Netanyahu, wearing a gas mask on TV weeping that America (or Europe for that matter) now knows how the Jews under siege feel, and that sympathies are shared, know this... not all Americans are dumb, and neither are they all Christian, and if it's a case of "you're either with us or against us!" then many will hate to be seen as Jewish collaborators in the near distant future.

I'm normal 04.Nov.2003 03:33

john

He is right about the planes what a racket they have
they might be practising for something big who knows

disparagy 04.Nov.2003 03:58

i'm okay pull the ladder up....

for all the speculation, based on pretty incriminating evidence, lets assume dubya is planning another war of terror on syria.......and that the dick cheney is the evil doer that all the available information in the public debating arena is correct.....how are 'you' going to 'persude' the dick cheney to leave office in 30 days? any ideas anyone....it seems a lot of people are aware of these pre emptive wars of terror on nations for mythical reasons are fought for geo political control and all the 'benefits' that brings to people like us......yes in our homes with our tv's and cars and even running water........17% of all the entire population on earth does not have access to clean drinking water......oh there will be foreign companies propagating lies that they are helping these nations extract their resource wealth, but on closer examination we see that for the myth it really is..........

our governments give us a few 'luxuries' to pacify us......while inflicting wars of terror on civillians in our name....

how do 'we' the 'people' stop these merchants of death......

a quick look into northwoods and the planned operation by our government to attack a ship of american citizens and blame it on the cubans in the pretext for starting 'trouble' with cuba.....inside this incidious document prepared by 'our' intelligence/dunce agency is also the classic plan to paint an airliner to look like an american airlines plane and commit a terrorist act with it to drum up the fury in the american people.....its all there in its uttmost heiniousness....

when the police, law agencies, judges at the highst level are run by corrupt people what can the citizens do?

why does the bush junta employ 10,000 lawyers at a cost of 2 billion to fight legal prosecutions from organisations like greenpeace about enviromental issuess? these lawyers make sure nothing too damning ever gets to court and when it does just hand pick your bush junta judicial figure to smooth things out......

every angle in every department is controlled by a few high ranking loyal bush lackies.

constantly peddle your lies and filth through government propaganda channels, ie the main stream media,tv and newspapers.......

all this talk about the usa using mini nukes in future battle zones....they have already used two in iraq by the sounds of things...unfortunatly i cannot find that link to substantiate the claim.......

now we have genetical warfare that will target an ethnicity through genes in various forms such as mousepox.....this is the latest in a long line of genetical chemical and biological warfare used by the usa and its wars of terror on nations unablle to defend themselves.....anyone doubting this go to www.rense.com/general36/history.htm

hence the internet is this very minute undergoing a transition in that government people are working on ways to 'censor' the internet.....too much truth is getting out from areas which are not under the governments net of 'reinventive reporting of truths'

we the people are too comfortable to take any real action and unite.......and unity is what these madmen and their cronies fear the most......

more 04.Nov.2003 04:37

roy shivers

The Bush Cabal now faces two fundamental problems with their plan for the New American Empire: a lack of troops and public support. This morning Dianne Feinstein was asked about the oncoming enlistment crisis in the American military. Almost half the troops will not re-enlist according to surveys, and even fewer of the reservists will sign up again. At a time when we need more troops to secure Iraq, the volunteer Army is deflating rapidly.

Feinstein weakly replied that a volunteer Army is preferable, but it may be unrealistic. Clearly, BushCo wants to manage the oil contracts and continue the Iraq occupation. The result of this greed combined with the neocon snubbing of the UN will prevent any international support. So the White House now face two options:

1) Retrain Iraqi military and quickly install Chalabi as permanent head of the governing council. Oil contracts would be still be handed out through the CPA, but the security would be done by private paramilitaries, former fedeyeen, and the Iraqi military. Any resistance would be crushed quickly, and Shiite and Kurd support would be coerced through violence or purchased outright. This is the "mow the place down" scenario from Trent Lott and the "realist conservatives."

2) Reinstitute a draft, with a "call to duty for Patriotic Americans." As all observers know, Bush will not sacrifice the oil contracts, and thus we will enjoy no support from the international community. But mothers will not send their sons to die in a war with questionable motives. Simply put, in today's political climate, a draft would be political suicide for Bush.

So how to manufacture the consent?

1) Some have predicted an attack on an ally, perhaps London or Israel. Such an attack would be the perfect pretext to deepen the UK/US/Israeli alliance and expand the military efforts with new British and Israeli troops. An attack on Israel would mobilize the US in particular, since any calls for American diplomacy would be labeled as anti-semitism by the ADL.

2) An attack on American soil. This is possible, and would allow for the expansion of the PATRIOT Act or the installment of the secret PATRIOT II. The draft could be reconstituted within days of the attack. It would justify Iraq because Bush would claim "See, the terrorist threat is real, and we had to go to Iraq." This type of Orwellian propaganda will be swallowed whole by the "News people" at TimeWarner/AOL/NewsCorp/GE/Vivendi/Disney/Infinity

3) Major attack on troops in Afghanistan or Iraq. This would also allow for the draft, but would weaken Bush politically. Unlikely at best, though with deteroriating situation in both countries, this may occur irrespective of BushCo's wishes.

4) Some have even gone so far as to suggest an Oliver Stone/JFK style scenario. Theidea being that Cheney, like LBJ, will give the capitalist elites the war they crave. LBJ didn't just go after Vietnam, he also murdered in Laos, Cambodia, and Indonesia in the last neocon "perpetual war." Similarly Cheney would directly attack Syria and Iran, and sponsor more outright attacks in Venezuela.

At this point to guess is nothing more than roulette, but all four scenarios would be a layup for experienced CIA psych-ops and a tightly controlled media. The hysteria, fear, confusion, and anger stemming from such events would give PNAC the new war they crave.

Remember the events that are colliding this week

1) 3 former CIA officials testify about White House manipulation of Iraq evidence
2) Leaking of Valerie Plame which threatens Rove/Eliot Abrams/Scooter Libby/
3) Sy Hersh and Josh Marshall's articles detailing the Niger fraud by the White House and Iraq WMD lies
4) 9-11 Committee calls for Bush to release documents despite whitewash pressure.
5) Key Republicans begin to break away from Bush (Hagel, McCain, Lugar) with regard to Iraq
6) E-voting scandal gains momentum as Swarthmore student protest begins to work. The Diebold memos are indeed more daming than the
Pentagon Papers and could indict the Republicans for massive vote fraud.
7) Polls show GW Bush sliding below 50% in approval and to the low 40's% with Iraq.

A new attack is the only thing that can save George W. Bush politically and save the PNAC perpetual war. The capitalist elites can see how close they are to their dream of rolling back the social safety net, and turning America into a third world country (huge divisions of wealth, mass imprisonment, huge debt, no human rights).

What is everyone hearing from their sources?


What else are people hearing?

Re: What the Hell? 04.Nov.2003 04:43

Origin origin@mediamonitors.org

"It's demeaning to the U.S. to make unwarraneted claims"

HUH??? What about the unwarranted claims that the US made regarding Iraq's WMD?? I'm sure the Iraqi population would have much preferred to be Demeaned, rather than killed in their beds by the butchering US military.

"Seriously, it's destructive to the reality of foreign policy to post B.S. articles"

ANYTHING that will destroy US Foreign Policy is a GOOD thing.
BBC's How George Bush stole the Election.  Banned in the United States
BBC's How George Bush stole the Election. Banned in the United States

Scotland 04.Nov.2003 04:53

JJ

Even debka.com is now reporting the unusual US Airforce activity coming into Scotland now!

Guy Adamson is right 04.Nov.2003 04:56

apostatejew

The plan that Guy Adamson talks about can be found on the following JEWISH website: www.thirtysix.org
Another site is www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm
This site considers Russia to still be Soviet (consider that Putin is ex-KGB) for instance, and predicts a Russia/Palestine alliance. Read the entire article, especially the part where the US is to be ruled by Talmudic law and public lands are given over for payment on the debt.
Both of these sites mentioned are authored by Zionist Jews who are not afraid to say what they really believe.
For those who do not know, Orthodox Judaism DOES believe in holy war. It is called "Milchamas Amalek" or the war of Amalek. The Torah commands Jews to wipe the race of Amalek off of the face of the earth. Amalek is defined as any non-Jew who does not accept the Jewish rule of the world and its "messiah."

The thirtysix.org site lays out the plan in great detail. There has also been a newer current in Zionist Jewish thought that also allows for the genociding of any JEWS who do not go along with the plan. So instead of screaming "anti-Semite" any time any of this type of information is revealed, ordinary Jews better wake up and realize that they are just as much at risk from these madmen as the rest of us.

Lastly, I recommend a fictional Zionist book on the war: Aleph Shin by Sender Lev
If you don't think the Zionists are capable of hidden terror, think again.

Destruction 04.Nov.2003 05:08

cb

The destroyers will go to their destruction......

www.unveilingthem.com

Bush & Co. capable of just about anything to stay in power 04.Nov.2003 05:15

wethepeoplede@aol.com wethepeoplede@aol.com

I have read all the posts regarding the "new buildup", and sent all this information to as many people as possible...just in case....I also called Senator Biden, Leahy, and Pelosi to tell them. However, as frightened as I am of Bush & Co. (more afraid of them than Saddam or Osama), because they can destroy my country and our civil liberties.--I believe Bush is capable of another preemptive strike and this time it will be Syria. After all, even many zionist democrats like Pelosi voted for "Sanctions against Syria". We all know that Syria is who the Project for New American Century has on their list....and that Syria is who the Zionist Israelies and Sharon want attacked next, and Bush's rating falling like a rock, and, the 9/11 Commission only has a few more months to complete its work, and are DEMANDING Bush turn over the documents (which he can't because Bush and Cheney (did) know about 9/11...they were warned by many countries its all in (Forbidden Truth) the book.....the 28 pages missing....all speaks to what they really knew...if the US public knew they would certainly not be re-elected and may have to face an International Criminal Court for their crimes against humantiy....I am sure if these charges stuck that they did know about 9/ll, the American public would want them on trial for treason, and life long prison terms if not the death penalty.

I am frightened for my country, I am frightened for poor impoverished nations of the world, who just happen to have oil under their feet, or some other resource the greedy power hungry corporations want...and I am afraid, that we may be facing the end of times. China and Russia and other nations will not sit back and permit the empire of the US to continue much longer.....not in Asia.

3427 Oak ridge lane, Claymount, De.

About time 04.Nov.2003 05:29

Bob

They are preparing to pull the troops out; They have found the wmd.

This could be the answer...Not that sinister after all. 04.Nov.2003 05:39

Richeep

This website details military aircraft operations in the UK:

 http://www.warplane.co.uk/Operations/Operations.htm

There are details of military operations in Scotland for beginning of November involving aircraft from many EU countries.

Future war neo-con style 04.Nov.2003 07:07

scotbot

Richeep: you miss the point!!

Whether or not the build-up of aircraft is sinister, there will be a war waged on Syria and/or Iran pretty soon. It's already been planned by the NeoCons through their PNAC documents.

Sure, there may very well be military operations planned for the UK in November, but then so were there plans for naval exercises in the Indian Ocean prior to the attack on sovereign Afghanistan.

These events are all planned out years in advance so as to coincide with each other. It's all part of the grand scheme to conquer the Middle East for the military-industrial NeoCon junta.

Remember what I said before. Most of international affairs (including apparently spontaneous terrorism) is all stage managed. Magic tricks appear to work only because we fail to see what is really going on. Our eyes are distracted by some sleight of hand, but the truth is that there is no magic, just illusion.

So it is with the war on terror. It's all theatre. People fail to realise the real cause of the Twin Towers collapse because they concentrate on the planes and ignore the real cause (a controlled demolition using concelead explosives in the towers). The planes were used to look like the cause, since that's how it APPEARED to be.

And so too will it be with the next attack. It will be stage managed and again most people will be distracted from what is really happening so that they accept what the propagandists tell them.

So, to conclude. It doesn't matter if these planes are being aligned for a war against some third world country to bomb them into the stone age or not, because the decision has already been taken to do so some time or other. The pretext (like every other one in history) has to be created first. When and where no one save the protagonists know already. But it is coming. And like those of recent history, it will be achieved through what seems to be terrorism.

Smoke and mirrors. It's how magicians conduct their activities. And It's how evil men conceal the truth of their operations from those who would overthrow them if they could.

Just wait and see.

how else can i say this, we are all morons 04.Nov.2003 07:28

fortunate son

we are all morons, the whole lot of us. this crafted reality, the one we have made for ourselves, it's an illusion. so what. why not worry about ourselves, our own lives. there´s a start, and perhaps we would create a worthwhile reality for ourselves. so they're gonna bomb us. so we're gonna go over there and kill all them colordz cause we're white and powerful and god chose us. it's true man, we will pay for our iniquity. oh, a religious zealot. well, lets just say that they are all liars, all the authorities, the excellencies. welcome to globalization, to the terror of the mind, to what we have earned for ourselves. don´t you see that it's not even worth the headache. let it all burn, and let those who concocted the master plan to be the first to burn, for the Law of the balance will collect her due no matter what you say.

11/13 pointless 04.Nov.2003 07:58

MARTE

The only time when something may occure in November 2003, if ........is likely to occure between 19-21 Nov. The B....s will be out of country to pay a visit to the UK Roy..s. There is the money ( 100B joint account in the Roy..s Bank) and there there is the best hidden shelter humans ever built on this Planet. Watch out my friends. But because always is a "but"..... their plans will fell ......... and I was never wrong. The Earth......is in our side, the peacekeepers' side. Bring your trops home, your people will need them alive and well.

Interesting thread 04.Nov.2003 08:34

Fred

It's really packed with set-ups - first the two trolls, either to lure people in offset those comments, or else real trolls, then the peppering of people who give no real backgrounds but say things like they're connected to people working for the government, or live near a base (possibly real, but no way to tell), etc.

This may be real, but there's no way to tell so far from these posts.

The timeline connection seems absurd - 11, 12, 13? Who is that ridiculous? That would have to be the end of that sequence since it would be so obvious by the third one.

The closest thing to a fact on here is the link to the military exercises schedule. One of the things I've heard about 9/11 was that at least 2 simulaneous 'training' exercises were taking place at areas like NORAD on 9/11 which could have undermined the ability to sort out the real attack. That's a viable threat - it's an easy way to get the majority of the people 'in charge' to have no idea of what's real and what isn't, until it's too late.

If tons of planes are moving out of bases, it's only a matter of days before this is all over the news. I don't think that's something we can really do anything about or help anything by worrying about. Writing or calling a congress person seems reasonable - there's no harm in it, and at least that way you are able to do something and feel better if you're really concerned.

But yes, things are starting to really heat up in Iraq, and starting something elsewhere, or involving Israel, would be a step in the right direction for the Bush Cabal, no doubt. And so far, the media lets them get away with everything, as well as congress, so there's no telling what they'll do next. Everyone is too worried about the Reagan miniseries . . .

He has got $87,0... and he start t spend this money 04.Nov.2003 09:00

Oko

Sure, so much money is enough for new war. The question is - where ?

Massive Veteran's Day Assault on Terror 04.Nov.2003 09:04

Trolldemort

Washington, DC - A massive air-strike at military targets in Iraq, Syria, Iran and Afghanistan was coordinated today by Central Command in Iraq. According to Pentagon officials, the purpose of the air-strike was to inhibit the flow of illegal arms and troops into Iraq from neighboring muslim countries by destroying what they called "mustering sites" as well as existing supply routes used to send weapons and materiel into Iraq.

The operation, dubbed Operation "Fly For Freedom" drew upon the resources of 3 aircraft carriers in the vicinity and was coordinated with approximately 200 simultaneous ground assaults in Iraq. Specific information about the number of allied troops and equipment involved in the operation have been withheld for security purposes.

Col. Fyer Atwell in the Defense Department's Office of Public Affairs, was quoted as saying that pilots had been "instructed to hit primary targets, then seek out and destroy additional 'targets of opportunity' in the vicinity". Col. Atwell declined to comment as to whether this would include military personnel in the countries currently not actively opposing Operation Iraqi Freedom.

According to sources at the Pentagon, this action was planned far in advance of the devastating terrorist attack on San Francisco last week and had no connection to that tragedy. "However," remarked Col Atwell, "after today, I'm sure they'll think twice about doing something like that in the future."

-- Staff Writers

this thread is an eye-opener for sure 04.Nov.2003 09:10

mine are open NOW!

Just happened to go to PTX Indymedia website first off this am as I sipped my first cup of coffee for the day, and went to
this site with 50+ hits already. Had to be a big topic for sure with that many. I've drank a pot of coffee as I read the various
comments, and for most part, I believe that our government is capable of any nasty deed--with that bunch of whores in
charge--and frankly, this period of time is most likely time they'll do "whatever" as their window of opportunity is closing
on 'em rapidly. These are desperate people that want to hold on to power and I'm not at all surprised that they'll pull off
another 9-11-styled event to do it. So, as I log off to grab my clothes and head out the door, rest well assured that I'm
doing so with eyes wide open, and a heads up and a prayer that the "force be with us" (the good forces that is, as we are
ruled by the evil dark forces of greed, power, service to self)

From: the Peacewatchers at USAF’s Fairford and Welford bases in the UK 04.Nov.2003 09:14

Kinny

>>Experienced observers say the large numbers are reminiscent of those that preceded the bombing of Iraq in 1998 and military strikes on Libya in the1980's as well as the first Gulf War.<<

All the planes that struck Libya in the 80's came from Mildenhall, so are we saying all these observers moved from Midenhall in the 80's to the Highland of Scotlands to compare this increase in activity?

Maybe they are just getting all their planes ready to fly all the American families out to the States this Christmas, thats a lot of families.
And after Lockerby the security will be at maximum.

drugs ya say...want a good hit? 04.Nov.2003 09:15

my head's reeling

Surtr says we need to get off the drugs! Well, I guess so, as it's surely disturbing to the PTB and their toadies that we
the people are getting high off the DRUG OF TRUTH! To hell with 'em! I'd rather sniff the drug of truth than smell the
toxic odor of bullshit that comes from Bush & Co. as it's about burned out my olifactory senses as it is. So, let me be
a sniffing some more of that good old drug of truth. Pass around some more, will ya!

Conspiracy theories 04.Nov.2003 09:50

one who believes

Some of the comments herein take broad swipe at so-called "conspiracy theories" and wish to denigrate this stream
of intelligent reporting to their ever ready mocked dust bin...the conspiracy theory. Yet, consider that the Master co-con
spirator's have conviently arranged for one of their major "news" outlets to air a tv-special devoted to debunking the
JFK-killing conspiracy theories, just in advance of the 40th anniversary of that event. All who care to read and become
informed are well aware that Kennedy was murdered by a evil cabal and not a lone-nut who was nothing more than a
patsy. Might there not be a powerful reason for our ruling elite to want to once again address the Mother of All Con-
spiracy Theories for the generation's now alive and debunk it, so as to debunk ALL such theories? Might there not be
a flurry of fresh and new conspiracy theories flying around at that time they'll wish to be debunked too? Thin about it!
Why is suddenly ABC coming out with this tv-special to air around the 22nd of this month. Start connecting the dots
people, as the picture really is easy to see....if only, you're willing to make the effort to connect the little dots??????

You guys make me sick 04.Nov.2003 10:08

Crap detector

Give an infinite number of monkeys and infinite number of typewriters and one of them will write Shakespeare. The law of averages indicates that at some point there will be another attack (big or small, who's to say). And as soon as one does, all you conspiracy theorists we'll be crowing about how you "knew" it and had "proof" all along. But you convienently forget about the other 146 times you cried wolf.

And by the way, two points do not make a pattern. 9/11 (WTC), 10/12 (Bali)...11/13(??).

Dumbasses

poor dear Mr. Kuntstain if off his meds again 04.Nov.2003 10:46

The Doctor

Sure seems to me like poor Mr. Kuntstain is once again gone off his meds. With such original thinking as "phuck you
aholes" one is left to wonder if perhaps the trolls monitoring this site hadn't ought to trace him down and get some
serious medications to him NOW! The degree of repetition of the same phase indicates we have a serious looney
out there somewhere! Poor fellow, he's been deranged from too much tv-watching I fear, and no doubt, it's been the
lying chaps with FOX News that's triggered some brain activity in our poor Mr. Kuntstain! See, what tv will do for you?

re: impending US attacks 04.Nov.2003 11:11

RN, exArmy Solfleur@aol.com

For my part, I find it believable that there is increased air activity over Europe because there have been increasing threats of a "death blow to the US" over the month of Ramadan. My feeling is that this is very likely just preparation to act quickly and decisively should such an attack occur.

However, I question exactly who the real terrorists are in regard to attacks on American soil and interests...as always. There is a reason the resident ignored Sandy Berger's anti-terrorism plan and called the CIA and FBI off investigations of bin Laden after all. There is good reason Bush continues to blantantly and obviously protect Saudi interests. That's because they are also his own. $$$ rules this regime in the White House. Saudi can send over 5000 troops to fight against our brothers and sisters in Iraq, and Bush runs around the country trying to get elected. It's like a real Oz regime here...you know? "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..." Scary. I doubt nor discount NOTHING from these criminals because they are above nothing!

To all the debunkers and scoffers here 04.Nov.2003 11:11

scotbot

How do all the debunkers and scoffers of this thread feel about conscription. It's quite apparent that the US military (as well as the UK's) is well overstretched. If the worst does transpire, then all you who slag off the so-called conspiracies here might very well find yourselves called up to go fight in some barren track of middle eastern desert.

No doubt you are all gagging to get over there and kick some Arab butt! Just like the hordes who volunteered for the slaughtered that was World War 1, the forthcoming WW3 will be full of self-deluded martyrs believing their's is the one true cause.

There are many prophecies which deal with a future war which kills all but a quarter of humanity. Surely if you knew the human race might be annihilated because of the insane actions of a few very rich and very greedy merchants, you'd do everything in your might to expose this to the world, even if it was more out of self-preservation than global atruism.

So, how come then people here are all too ready to scoff at the quite valid suggestions that the next phase of the War of Terror is under way. Is it because it's easier to go along with the flow of violent history than to stand up for what you in your heart-of-hearts believe in, namely life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.? Funny indeed how so many debunkers are such die-hard cowards, eager to fight for death, but not for life.

Anyway, that's the rant over. You have a choice: accept government b.s. or make a sincere effort to curtail their actions through exposing the evil in our midst. It's your choice, and freedom of choice is what you American's are always harping on about as being the cornerstone of your society.

So do something about it. Or shut up.

BTW: Debka also reports the increase in US military aviation heading over Scotland en route to the Middle East.

next war in middle east?! 04.Nov.2003 11:21

frisco

when there will be war in a few years in the middle east german soldiers is fighting next to british and american soldiers

To crap deterctor 04.Nov.2003 11:21

hank

Apparently, your detector is broken. Let me help: how about the executive branch lying to start a war, continuously and as a group? How about the executive branch attempting to stop independent investigation into 911 - the worst attack in US history with 3000 murdered people? How about the executive branch lying to change environmental reports on air safety around the WTC and global warming in general? How about the executive branch lying about simple economics involving deficits? How about the executive branch lying about outing a NOC for political revenge and damaging national security in doing so? How about the executive branch lying about the sources of terrorism? How about your executive branch lying about the 'mission accomplished' banner's origin (that was particularly bald!)? These are existing conspiracies,. Is it inconceivable that there could be others?

Putin says he will strike first 04.Nov.2003 11:33

randY ed@zeda.org ed@zeda.org



reverse symbolism in maths equation 04.Nov.2003 11:42

bollocks to all the skull; and bones satanists

ok so heres the numbers 11/09/03
12/10/03
13/11/03
ok so here's an illuminati numerology lesson
11+9+3 = 5 {the number of death,one of the chief illuminati symbols the five pointed star is a symbol of death}
12+1+3= 7{the number of the spirit,so what do we have when we have death+spirit obviously the spirit of death
13+11+3= 5+2=7 death and the spirit again
or 5+2+3=55 0r totally added up means one
so here we have first of all one equation in there which if you take the satanic or dark masonic significance of this then you get 55 which is 5 times 11 which means that the next bogus terrorist attack will be five times more powerful than the twin towers {9 11}attack

Now..........the twin towers or world trade center looked like what ...a massive number 11
(the number of power} so 9 11 means according to the sick hidden meaning of illuminati terminology.... when you take 9 {the number which means amongst other things"I'll or we'll always be there for you} and then you have the equation of "the power will always be there for you" and then you take the position of the twin towers in relation to the "statue of liberty" which in reverse illuminati meaning means anything but.....
And in satanic witchcraft or practise the burning of fires in front of or next to a statue of Heracla or Semiramis{one of the main illuminati sacrificial goddeses,who needs regular blodd sacrifice on specific dates to bestow wealth and power to her devotees,i.e queen elizabeth,churchhil,bush,blair......clinton etc}is a ritual of adoration or asking for the devotees wishes or questions to be answerewd in thier specific favour
So this 9 11 twin towers fake terrorist attack was actually a massive blood sacrifice to the goddess semiramis,one of the main satanic deitys then back to the numerological significance of 911 which was as I said a massive satanic ritual sacrifice in front of a satanic deity{the statue of liberty} or the statue of anti-freedom....
so herein lies the true meaning of 911 it means the we number 9 will always be there for for you number 11{the power} of darkness the statue of liberty {semiramis the goddes of blood sacrifice}
11{the power}
next another maths equation and you wont believe this either
ok so we go 11/09/03
12/10/03
13/11/03
and i'll explain here that in numerology that there are certain numbers which are more significant than others and in examining certain significant dates i.e birthdays ,fake terror attacks you always stop when your adding up reaches a highly significant number
so here goes 11+9+3=5 {death}
12+10+3=7{the spirit} the spirit of death again now get this!!
13+11+3=9 .......then you replace the=sign witha times sign so you get 9 times three but not mathemtically added up but how you would see three nines in a row gettit
then three nines in a row is 999 and according to illuminati symbolism you simply reverse the numbers or present them in their mirror image which is you've guessed it 666...............
If you want to know what the royal family/banks/arms dealers etc in britian and round the world are about them you only need observe study and learn about satanic witchcraft,numerology,then you observe how the opening of parliament with the queen is actually a satanic ritual or more lightly put a strictly observed masonic ritual riddled with masonic emblems uniforms and orders like the "order of the garter" which is again a satanic organisation....
so being free can only happen when we wake up and realise that the queen of england is not this sweet duffy old lady but just one of a long line of demented murdering psycopaths who have been conspiring for centuries and inventing new ways to pool 90%of the worlds wealth and mineral resources whilst enslaving humanity{that's us} with religion MTV and all kinds of ridiculously unhealthful and unhelpful assaults on our five senses like......"the news" ...which is actually an "imposed world view" or what these idiots "in power" wish us to believe the world is like tyoday...i,e whats your daily news all about war,disease famine.rape in others fear fear fear and more fear...it's PRS PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION again and again they create the probelm you are terrified ...you cry out for help...they fund more oppressive policing and pass "anti-terrorist laws" therby temporarily solving the "problem" which they create in the first place and the guess what you are still afraid and being fed a daily diet of fear,,,which is acually the idea to totally control and imprison you within your five sense reality{taste sight touch smell hearing} via the television and "entertainment industry" by feeding you a daily monthly yearly diet of violence i.e "rambo.,,,terminator.....snatch.....the godfatheretc " all of these fils are to desentize all of us to violence and make it accepatble....then on britsh tv AND cable you've got soap after soap of authoritarian Brainwashing routine programmes like "THE BILL,cis crime stoppers,MI5 spooks,miami vice....." and the list goes on and on
ity sends to your mind friendly cuddly images of needless authoritarian structures who are in reality helping to imprison you in the kind of reality that suit them where you need them
the idea is to continually send you subliminal messages to your deep concious like " WE CONTROL YOU, WE ARE THE POLICE,WE CONTROL YOU,WE ARE THE SECURITY SERVICES,WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS,DISOBEY US AND YOU WWIL SUFFER,WE CONTROL YOU,WE SURROUND YOU,OBEY US,WE ARE YOUR FREINDS"
and so this subliminal mind prgramming takes place everday to condition your fives sense reality to totally and unquestioningly accept a global prison where the murdering facist pedofile jailers are "your friends"

Good for Putin! 04.Nov.2003 11:45

just my thought!

good for putin! just maybe he'll checkmate these crazed american neocons enough to where
they'll scurry back to their hole and rethink their latest maddness. i don't fear putin nearly
as much as i fear these blatant crazies ruling america today outreaching to rule the world!

Why waste your time mocking the true believers? 04.Nov.2003 12:01

believer

All of these Conspiracy Theory debunker's with their postings that mock those believer's with their little childish mutter-
ings of "GET A LIFE, WHY DON'T YA". Has it ever occurred to these blind-ideologues that we believer's are content
with our lives as they are? Why would we want to retreat into their world of uncertainty, fear, spiritual-blindness, and
social apathy? Our's is a world full of certitude, activity, spiritual growth, and awareness. So, unless your mind so
equips you to think like us, then it's OK for you to remain deluded, but please don't waste your time blasting us as
you do, for it truly is a WASTE OF TIME!

been there 04.Nov.2003 12:14

me

I don't know about the Airplanes over Scotland, but I know:

The rassistic Doctrine in the jewish Talmud Books is real.
The jewish "Messianists" believe the "true Messias" will give them the Power over all Non-jews.
Talmud is more a materialistic, hedonistic Sect than a spiritual Belief
Zionism is the worst case of jewish belief
Zionists have "bought" Palestine from England (Loans of war, Balfour Declaration)
Rothschild was a Leading Zionist in the Balfour Deal
The Rothschilds exist (just remember the russian Oil Deal with Rothschild some Weeks ago)
The Rothschilds bought the Bank of England
The Rothschilds control the Federal Reserve Bank
Benjamin de Rothschild, son of Edmond, lives near Geneva, in Chateau de Pregny, in Pregny.
UNO was founded by Rothschild Agents
Geneva UNO Headquarter is only several hundred Meters far away from the Rothschild Castle in Pregny
Many young Israeli are now emigrating, seeking for Asylum outside Israel because they simply don't want to join the "game"

It is not Racism to indict Israel and Zionism - its Racism NOT to do so!

time keeps on slipping 04.Nov.2003 12:47

watcher

a mention of the timetable 9/11/01, 10/12/02, 11/13/03, 12/14/04 is a clever idea but I can see how many skeptics can throw it away, but based on the cults and dark practices of the people who control the government and in effect control what happens around the world, numbers do play a big part in their actions. I'm talking about Masons, Illuminati, and such, so i wouldn't be suprised if anything happened on that day or not. But most of us do know that there will be another mass killing in the name of terror before re-election time, syria will be attacked, smallpox will plauge thousands of peoples lives, yassir arafat will lose his power, ramallah and jerusalem will be destroyed by nuclear weapons, there will be a nuclear holocaust between Korea, Israel, Japan, India, and others. Other cosmic events will have global effects on billions of lives, Americans will be put in "concentration camps" and be held as "terrorists" when they're actually freedom fighters much like how Iraqi's and other arab and persian people are now becoming. 2/3 of america will be destroyed, and our planet will suffer a poleshift. It is a very exciting time to be alive on earth right now. Nothing like will or has ever happened before, and I'm glad that I will have to struggle through it, it will be challenging and fun.
You all have LOTS of reading to do, the answers to life are out there, your just not looking hard enough, but your doing an excellent job. And for those of you that are bull-headed and stuck in your ways, won't accept change, and don't give a shit about other people or anything but yourself, live your short filthy lives and suffer for your ignorance. I recommend finding love within yourself to spread around so humanity will survive. Peace

sources? 04.Nov.2003 13:53

criz zyrc@yahoo.com

From what source did this originate?

The peacewatchers website just says that their log files are down. Truly, if we are to spread the word about an eminent attack, let us be sure that we are reporting something accurately and with something akin to a good source.


Indymedia ain't Shakespeare 04.Nov.2003 13:58

Lee

Give an infinite number of monkeys and infinite number of typewriters and one of them will write Shakespeare. The rest will write Indymedia.

I like what the WATCHER has to write 04.Nov.2003 13:58

believer

I really liked what the Watcher wrote above. It is great summary of just where we are at right now. Please, Watcher,
do share often with us your thoughts, as your manner of expressing your thinking is superb. Hope to see your work
often here at PDX Indymedia.

WOW! 04.Nov.2003 14:00

just me

this is great to see all the debate and differant opinions. as far as i am concerned, this is what democracy should be about. being able to openly discuss and add your opinions to the debate.

thank you indymedia!

oh yeah, fuck bush! end the war!

There were warnings about 9/11 too... 04.Nov.2003 14:23

Ed approd@pacbell.net

I remember in the days leading up to 9/11, there were warnings on the chat and forum lists that something terrible was about to happen. I used to chat with a woman in Isreal on Yahoo Messenger...a couple of weeks before 9/11, she told me a horrible thing was about to happen to our country and that her country was responsible. She would not tell me what it was but she was ashamed about it. She told me her and her husband could not stand what their country was doing and was going to move to New Zealand before it was too late. We chatted about 20 times or so...but after 9/11, I never heard from her again.
There were also individuals on Yahoo Forums who, in the days leading up to 9/11, stated that a terrible act of terrorism was about to happen. I remember seeing one such message the night of 9/10 on Yahoo. I thought, "yeah right.". Was it just a coincidence? Now I'm not so sure.
I do believe that the Neocons went to a lot of trouble to steal power and they're not gonna let a little thing like an election change that. The Neocons will pull another 9/11 if they have to.
Scares the hell outta me. Bastards!

Indymedia is BETTER than Shakespeare... 04.Nov.2003 14:33

...in my opinion

Lee says Shakespeare is better than Indymedia and poobahs the level of commentary, as if he/she is a qualified
critic to take on this form of communication. Well now! If Lee is such a high-powered intellect, perhaps it's much
too damaging to his/her brain cells to gaze herein...might contaminate those gifted cells that seemingly are able
to see through all the less than Shakespearan work found here. Therefore, since he/she can't tame this shrew,
maybe it's better to put their face before a book of Shakespeare and forget us here? Are there other shrew's out
there that care to comment?

a response to Lee and monkey Shakespeare 04.Nov.2003 14:54

watcher

If there were infinite monkeys typing on infinite typewriters,
an infinite amount of them would write shakespeare,
and an infinite amount of them would write Indymedia,
and an infinite amount of them would write what you type
your comment may have been intentionally planned as a well thought criticizm of Indymedia, but falls flat based on the fact that you aren't thinking long enough to produce anything worth reading.

And now for something completly different,

A good book "Rule By Secrecy" by Jim Marrs.
Another good book "Illuminati Bloodlines"
Next to last good book "The Great Pyramid Decoded" by Peter Lemesurier
The final book of good books "Siddhartha"
These are few out of many

more evidence 04.Nov.2003 15:30

roy shivers

UK Indymedia articles suggest this story is real

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/03/107669.html

no offense 04.Nov.2003 16:26

hutch

the link saying that the uk indymedia picked up the story as a validity point is not a good one. if you notice the article is rather old as it is talking about events that happened in march.

personally i'll buy the story as being real. it would not suprise me in the least. i live in the middle of the us and have been seeing a lot of military equipment moving down the highway. could be nothing, could be something. time will only tell. i have a few supplies squirelled away in case a storm or something and i'll just make sure it is up to par. if something does happen there is little i can do about it anyway.

as for the next event being on 11/13/2003, it could be possible. i would hope that someone that could mastermind the events of the past few years would be a little better at hiding thier trail. of course it is not out of the realm of possibility that they would choose something as stupid as ascending numbers as dates either.

HAVE NEVER SEEN THESE MANY COMMENTS BEFORE 04.Nov.2003 16:31

I'm astonished

Earlier this afternoon when I pulled up Portland's Indymedia website I was astonished to see so many hits listed in
red. Naturally I opened the page and was I blabbergasted. As the afternoon rolled on, I'd come back to where I'd
left off and gradually I've finished reading ALL the comments. I'm am blown away! Can't wait to get home and have
my hubby go online and read this stuff too! We both have 3 weeks of "use it or lose it" vacation leave that we both
have our respective employer's pestering us to take. Hadn't planned on using it till maybe December. Not anymore!
I'm insisting when he comes in the door that we plan now to get gone by this weekend. Where to go is big ? I'm now
inclined for a secluded cabin far away from a large metropolitian area. There is just "something" about this particular
stream of comments that hit my intuition nerves to tell me that it is so right. I've been walking around with blinders a
long time, but truth is: these scabby jokes we've got in Washington, DC now wouldn't let such things as "moral issues"
keep them from slidding all the way to hell and back in their quest to retain power. We all know it too! My advice to all
those who still wearing blinders, is to at least stock up on water, extra food, candles, first aid kit, and the like so you'll
have a few resources to hold on till "whatever" else happens and you're able to see what path to take then. Sure, it
won't keep you from being herded onto the trains for the trip to the "C camps", but at least it'll give you a respite to get
your wits about you to lay a plan. Do it folk's, as I take all this stream as a FINAL WARNING!

Hmmmm 04.Nov.2003 16:48

?

Yeh, look at all the posts. ...and then note that none of the names are recognizable. Anyone who reads this site knows what I mean. And the stuff about "codes" near the top is...overe the top.

I think it's entirely possible that the US is planning something, and maybe the initial post is even legit. But much of this thread is a put on.

okay 04.Nov.2003 16:50

Now I get it

Your goal is to get a string with the most hits. That's why you make multiple posts, tell stories about "Aunt Bertha," profess your concern for swayback horses, etc., etc.

You don't hate cops, you don't hate Bush, you love making fools of all (it's amazingly easy - isn't it)... but most of all, you just want to see your effect... got the most posts! Wow!

You must not be doing much in your real life.

Convergence to a sharp point 04.Nov.2003 16:52

TerraHertz

Last night on the TV news (Sydney, Australia) there was a brief snippet about a meeting
between Sharon and Putin. A puff-piece, but in the fragment of video clip, Sharon did not
look happy at all. I very much doubt this meeting was merely about some 'middle east
roadmap'.
More on meeting here:  http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=7654
Subtext: Israel is complaining bitterly at the idea that Russia could be in charge of
managing future events in the middle east, and how unfair to Israel that would be.
How Israel would much prefer their pal the USA to be monitoring things.
But they didn't get any concessions from Putin. Very interesting!
This tells us Russia has a winning hand hidden somewhere, and Sharon knows it.
Which brings us back to the question of whether the Vialls article
 http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/sunburn.html is correct, and there are now
Russian supersonic nuclear-armed cruise missiles set up in Syria and Iran,
aimed at Israel. If there are, the Neocon/Zionist loonies will have completely
detached from reality by now, and will be setting up to 'remove that threat'.
Convinced they (and the US military might) can win absolutely; destroying every
single Sunburn without a single Israeli city turning into radioactive glass.
I don't think so.
Note that Putin chooses the same day, to announce that Russia is prepared to
use preemptive strikes to defend its interests! That would be a message to the
USA, warning them to not try anything against the Russian Sunburn missile sets.
 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1504&ncid=1504&e=20
&u=/afp/20031104/ts_afp/russia_putin_military_031104085034
Then we have an Israeli source (Debka) making claims of an Arabic source
warning Muslims to flee New York, Washington and Los Angeles. Setting up
the blame for the next 'terror attack' that will justify a major US military offensive
(in both senses of the word)?
 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35412

Dammit! Bush needs a war now... but we, the people of the world, need for
the US people and loyal military forces, to rise up and overthrow these insane
warmongering murderous corrupt megalomaniac Neocons/NWO arseholes.
And we need that to happen _right_now_.
There may be only days left.

this all makes perfect sense to me 04.Nov.2003 16:57

just me

You can scoff all you want at what I'm saying, but to me it's REAL! For about a week before 9-11-01, more like the
day of Labor Day then, I began having nightmares and bad dreams that were hard to actually define exactly what
they were pointing me towards. I knew something bad was about to happen, but I felt then it was going to be close
family or friends that'd be adversely affected. Never did it dawn on me that the events of 9-11 where in store! In the
past few weeks I've begun having bad dreams/nightmares again. Once again they are hard to actually define as to
what they mean, but there has been one in which in the background was a calendar with the date November 13th,
2003 clearly visible. It's one of those calendar's you see in offices, the "page a day" type; and I clearly remember
that date as it remains in my mind. I was and am now shakened as I first found this stream and then read all of
the commentary. I believe it, make no mistake about it. Something big is about to take place. What, I'm just not at
all sure, but with these bozo's we got in power now, it can't be good. Fact is, it'd likely be hell on earth! I'm scarred!

Reason for high number of comments, and new names 04.Nov.2003 17:04

TerraHertz

This story is linked to from whatreallyhappened.com,
which is an excellent (and very high volume) news site.
See, under November 03, 2003 banner:
New US Attack About to Happen?
Posted Nov 3, 2003 07:48 PM PST

Other good sites:
iraqwar.ru
rense.com
www.hermes-press.com/nonews.htm

Either Way 04.Nov.2003 17:14

The Speculator

Hey, I look at it like this. If Bush goes on Vacation, or goes to read to some school children, i'll take cover.

not credible 04.Nov.2003 18:36

jae blaj@blah.com

The person writing this has obviously never been in the military. The idea that ground observers can monitor US military frequencies is absurd. Having been in the military I can say without doubt that an average Joe in England would never be able to monitor the frequencys for a bunch of reasons...

909-991-0921

Go back to sleep 04.Nov.2003 19:29

COINTELPRO

Lies lies and more bullshit. There are no bombs and no planes leaving Andrews Air Force base and flying up north and landing in Aberndeen to refuel for more attacks in Iran, Syria or Saudi Arabia.

Go eat your damn potatoe chips, drink your floradated water.

Go back to watching TV and having sex.

There is no Smart dust and there are no RFID chips.

Jesus, Santa Clause and honest lawyers are all figments of your imagination.

END TRANSMISSION LANGLY VIRGINIA....

Time for the Media to DEMAND ANSWERS from WhiteHous 04.Nov.2003 19:36

Lyanne Wagner, Scottsdale, Az. rescotts@aol.com

How many more deaths of US soldiers in Iraq, Mr.President? How many more UN/Red Cross workers killed in Iraq, Mr. Presidet? How many more innocent Iraqis should die (in addiion to the 10,000) in this unneccessary conflict, Mr.Presdent??How many decades will it take to erase the hate created by the US in this fiasco, Mr.President? Are answers just blowin' in the wind??

USA must die 04.Nov.2003 19:50

not american

USA must die and USA will die

This many hits is not remarkable if you are familiar with Whatreallyhappened.com 04.Nov.2003 19:53

Truth

And it is a link at Whatreallyhappened.com that brought me here.

WRH is one of the best news sites in the world. It has extremely high volume readership. Any link at WRH recieves many more hits than they would otherwise. I get all my news from WRH, VOXFUX.com, Rense.com & Libertythink.com.
I know the talking heads on TV are just whores & shills. So I do not waste my time with TV.

And BTW- for those of you that scoff.
The fact that you scoff says volumes about you, but says nothing about those you scoff at.
It is apparent the condition of your heart, but your scoffing does not reflect one whit the sincerity of the hearts you mis-judge. Man who is honest & sincere, tends to trust the sincerity of others. Man who suspects, generally does so because he himself is not quite honest or sincere in his dealings with others.
The nature of scoffing is to suspect those who share truth. Did anyone ever scoff a lie? No, it is truth that people scoff at.
Pity. ( for the scoffers anyway) Cause it is purely your loss. You do not have the capacity to recieve truths that others share with you.
Scoffers cannot distinguish friends from foe or truth from BS. That's ok.
Scoffers are mired in their own doubts & want everyone to suspect the truthful, like they do...

I do not care if you believe me or not. Those who are sincere & or astute can determine for themselves the sincerity of others. Those of us that live beneath the runways of US Airforce bases have immediate evidence of something being up. I ought to know. Those damn jets wake me up in the middle of the night. People who seek truth & who benifit from social intercourse will not doubt these facts as you do.

Scoff away all you scoffers. But you waste time trying to infect the living with wasted doubts. Those who seek truth will never be swayed by the likes of you. IndyMedia readers are above normal intelligence. They think for themselves & can decide for themselves fact or fiction.
Misery does love company. So do doubters.
Sorry... but I cannot join you. My BS meter is fully functional.

Military movements 04.Nov.2003 19:55

Ponyboy

Here on the East Coast in the past month of October there have been heavy sightings of military choppers; single MH53 "Pave Low" copters, and Chinooks in formation.
Dockworkers told me there's two Navy ships docked here up river to use for Rapid Deployment. Ex-Navy buddy of mine says the choppers are being "cocooned" for shipment overseas.
I'm not a crank by any means. just an American who notices anything out of the ordinary- and asks questions.

Special Ops unit out of NW 04.Nov.2003 19:59

Geronimo

Coincidence or not, some local military boys who are customers of mine loaded up with cold weather gear and said they're 'headed back' to the middle east. An ex-co-worker's boyfriend who was in Afghanistan (who only returned 4.5 months ago) was also whisked away Sunday morning (Nov. 2), the same morning the special ops boys were heading out. So much for his required 6 month stay at home after the last wave of battling to recover...
I don't believe the 11-13 date theory but Bush did just get his mega-billions winning lottery ticket!?!

On Anniversaries 04.Nov.2003 20:12

TerraHertz

A previous poster made the comment:

Twin Towers : 11/09/2001
Bali Bombing : 12/10/2002
Next attack : 13/11/2003 (maybe)


Here's another date: Kursk sunk : 12/08/2000

One year and one month interval in each case. I doubt the day is significant.
So there are three data points, not two.

Sure, this is numerology, which is irrational and superstitious.
The point is though, that the people doing these things (the NWO/Zionists)
_are_ irrational and superstitious! It would be just like them to do something
stupid and symbolic like space their bloody 'events' this way.

Checking out whats become known about the Kursk sinking since-
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/KURSK/kursk.html

Despite various attempts over the years since by the managed media
to put the blame for this disaster on things like 'fuel explosion in
conventional torpedo', it seems clear that the cause was collision
with a US submarine.
And that just as with present events, it was all about the use of
advanced weapons (in Kursk's case, supersonic torpedos) that
threaten the 'balance of power' (ie threaten the USA's dominance
of the world.)

There's a Russian web site dedicated to the Kursk. Everything there is
all about the Kursk. Except for these two quite old articles, juxtaposed:
 http://kursk.strana.ru/english/archive/974806673.html SOS signal detected
 http://kursk.strana.ru/english/archive/978617257.html Yakhont missile

Yakhont, Brahmos, Sunburn, Shipwreck.... these are the weapons for
which the US military has no defense. I think the Russians have been
getting ready for some payback, for quite some time.

He is right. 04.Nov.2003 20:14

News hunger

WRH is a great news web site.

Fow me ... the very best news and info is on  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info.

Check out some of the videos on that site

Breaking The Silence A Must Watch Documentary
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4851.htm

CBC: CONSPIRACY THEORIES
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5103.htm

FOX: Israel Spying On U.S
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm

The Bush Family Fortunes
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4115.htm

Exposed: The Carlyle Group A Must Watch Documentary
 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm

THIS WEB SITE IS AHEAD OF THE GAME.

Just my 2c

Attack or no Attack.... 04.Nov.2003 20:20

PEACE......

Totally believable.....and why not????......it has happend before and it can happen again.

But of course it will be the terrorist that will be responsible which means the whole world excluding Isre-hell and the US because they think they are God and the peace maker of this world!!!!!!..... for how long is the question.......justice will be prevailed one day a I wait for that day.

.....PEACE........

Questionable intelligence? 04.Nov.2003 22:15

bright eyes

Maybe someone's already pointed this out... but I think that this whole episode is a great example of the challenges that the administration/intelligence community faces... not that I'm a big fan of them or anything.

On one side, you have the person who thinks that this is all baloney and dismisses it outright as "tinfoil hat" stuff, not worth their time. On the other side, you have the person who's just about to swallow their tongue, whipped into a frenzy about who's going to attack, where and when, trying their hardest to find the pattern.

Imagine if you were the president and these were your advisors... what would you do?

Because there's chatter and unconfirmed rumors of activity, do you raise the "terrorism threat level" to orange or mauve or salmon or whatever? Sound the alarm, divert resources, put an officer on every corner? When it doesn't pan out, people will say you cried wolf. They'll complain about how you're killing their buzz and are stomping on their civil liberties. Or you're just trying to scare them into re-electing you.

Say you ignore it... but then something huge happens? Then you get people saying "but you knew!!!" (or better yet someone starts www.you_knew.com). You had all the information, you were just too incompetent to connect the dots!

Seems like a lose-lose situation to me.

THIS IS AWESOME READING...WOW! 04.Nov.2003 22:35

ray

I've spent the better part of 2 hrs reading this stream. It's awesome! Hell yes I believe something is about to
happen and it'll be BIG! Just what, where, how & modus d'employe is what remains to be determined. As for
those few naysayer's that popped up from time to time telling the believer's to get a life...well, truth is we have
a life. It's our life and it's one suitable for "free-thinkers" that don't need to have "Big Daddy" tell 'em what is the
truth...they can figure it out for themselves! Maybe the naysayer's get a life similar to ours, elsewise their dear
old "Big Daddy" might turn on them as he is turning on the entire world it seems. Wise up people! Get a life!

Scary 04.Nov.2003 22:54

reader

I am Scared

War planes over Scotland? 04.Nov.2003 23:03

Anne Marie J.

That woman who wrote regarding her daughter's coded messages, from the Pentagon, about Aunt Bertha -- I'm certain if this story is true, and it could be (50/50 chance) then it's likely that the actual messages didn't mention Aunt Bertha!!! Only people with ZERO imagination couldn't figure that out. May not even be a woman/daughter, maybe it's husband/wife or father/son, whateverr ...

Thinking is sometimes the hardest work of all, that's why so many are too afraid to do it! But, once you get in the habit, you cannot stop, nor can you be controlled. Ignorance is bliss? It aint. Lies, lies, all damned lies told to keep you down and stupid. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, that's why "they"want to keep us ignorant and in the dark, like obedient, scared little sheep.

Keep the little people (you and me, the majority of earth's people) mindlessly entertained, under-educated, over stimulated, over-fed and under-nourished, follow the church, follow the politicians, follow the leader, follow the herd, follow the advertising, follow the distractions (Gary Condit, Monica, sharks in the pond, forest fires, natural disasters, Hollywood gossip, be afraid, be very afraid, 9/11, terrorism, perpetual wars) be original, be creative but not too creative, think outside the box, conform don't diversify. Fuck off, Nature loves diversity and variety, and s/he made us all, so there!

Baaaaa! Fuck off, I'm not a sheep. I'm thinking and I'm paying attention. So, too is God, I believe. Whatever he/she/it/they may be. Even good-living athiests get to go to Heaven. And if they're right, and I'm wrong, and there is no God/Heaven, then my argument is moot. Meantime, I'll live with love, respect and appreciation for creation, nature, babies, young and old people, people of every colour, religion, size, shape, age, etc. in my heart and mind. I'm not deluded and I'm happy. So fuck off with your multi-media mind control, 24/7 500 TV channels-- why do you think they call it programming (good one, whoever wrote that!)

Re: the date, November 13. Isn't George W. supposed to be on a tour of London, England then? I recall several journalists reporting that Bush's Skull & Bones nickname is "Temporary". Hmmm.... If so, it explains why some say that Cheney is the real Godfather, and why the Secret Service ushered him to safety on 9/11, but not Bush.

An unrelated (or maybe it is related, everything looks connected these days) issue: is it normal/usual for it to snow in Southern California, like it did the other day? All those forest fires raging, destroying thousands of homes and poof , in the nick of time, along comes a snowstorm to help douse it out. That, in my mind, in nothing short of miraculous. That is, if it's abnormal weather. Any comments? Or are they're fucking with the weather too? Anything is possible. Satellites, Star wars.... Global Positioning Systems....

Two important factual corrections: It does not say in the Bible, that money is the root of all evil. The actual quote is "The love of money is the root of all evil." There's a world of difference and confusion between the two. If more people could and would read more they would understand this and many other things besides.

On the American $1 (one dollar bill) it says "Novo Ordum Seclorum" (sorry I don't have one in front of me at the moment, so I'm writing the Latin from memory) which many people translate as simply, New World Order. It actually means NEW SECULAR ORDER. I studied Latin for years, so, yes I do know what I'm talking about. Again, a world of difference. Think about it. New Secular Order, makes more sense when you understand the meaning of those words; which also proves that Bushie Boy is no Christian, no way, no how. He is a Secular, not a spiritual guy. The only spirits he could worship are demonic ones. New World? Hmmm, isn't that what Christopher Columbus and others "discovered" ? Yes, the New World Order has been a long time in the making. Think!!! Goddamnit.

Speaking of American money, many Americans I speak to don't know who the Federal Reserve is. They think it's the U.S. government's bank, beholden to American tax-payer's. Hello, my American friends and colleagues and neighbours. Follow the money. Really, follow it. You'll begin to get a clearer picture of who's behind the wars, terrorism, 9/11, etc, and who really runs things. It aint who you previously thought. Think again. Your freedom and life are at stake. Please, for the love of life, THINK. We can't often see the forest for the trees, me included. But, with practice, you can begin to see the forest AND the trees.

People, please read more, and pay CAREFUL ATTENTION to every word that you see and hear. Most of the truth, and the juicy bits are often visible and available, in, on, over, above, around and between the lines. Invest in a couple of dictionaries, too. Yes, two. It's always helpful to get a second opinion. You might be amazed at what you learn.

Peace, love and COURAGE...

Questionable Lies 04.Nov.2003 23:07

Booker Elementary School

"Imagine if you were the president and these were your advisors... what would you do?
Because there's chatter and unconfirmed rumors of activity, do you raise the "terrorism threat level" to orange or mauve or salmon or whatever? Sound the alarm, divert resources, put an officer on every corner? When it doesn't pan out, people will say you cried wolf. They'll complain about how you're killing their buzz and are stomping on their civil liberties. Or you're just trying to scare them into re-electing you.
Say you ignore it... but then something huge happens? Then you get people saying "but you knew!!!" (or better yet someone starts www.you_knew.com). You had all the information, you were just too incompetent to connect the dots!
Seems like a lose-lose situation to me. "

Your comments are nothing more than the usual rationales and alibis about why there was a belated US Air defense response to the 9-11 "terrorist" attacks. According to the Official Lies, there were just too much information for the US Government to "connect the dots" and that is why the US Air defense did not respond on that fateful day.

What this Big Lie ignores is the fact that the US government was PLANNING TO ATTACK AFGHANISTAN before 9-11 even happened, and had told other countries of this fact, that many of the 9-11 hijackers TRAINED AT SECURE US MILITARY INSTALLATIONS throughout the 1990s, and most damning of all, that the AMERICA HAS A LONG AND PROUD HISTORY OF USING ISLAMICIST TERRORISTS AS PROXIES AND INTELLIGENCE ASSETS dating back to the days of Jimmy Carter under both Democrat and Republican Regimes.

Now you connect the dots.

Who really did 9-11?

Some dudes in a cave in Afghanistan?

Or some very well connected and powerful political forces in Langley, Virgina and Washington DC?

this news seems to settle the debate 05.Nov.2003 00:02

Citizen Poster

US and ISRAEL PREPARING AGAIN TO STRIKE BIG MID-EAST REALITIES - MER - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 4 November 2003: There are growing rumors in Washington now that the US is preparing hard air strikes somewhere in the Middle East. Secret heavy bomber deployments may be underway to European bases as has been the case in previous years when major strikes were being readied. Whether the targets are in Iran or Syria, or even North Korea for that matter, are of course highly classified. Ariel Sharon's surprise visit to Moscow this week to again meet personally with Putin could be another ominous sign. The Israelis will probably try to blackmail or threaten Putin in one way or another to stay out of whatever is coming, especially if it involves Iran, now Israel's top target. Meanwhile, as in previous MER analysis reports, the hijacking of Bush-Washington by the Israeli-Jewish lobby hardliners working closely with Vice-President Cheney was too much for a former ranking insider. The former Air Force Lieutenant-Colonel is now trying to blow the whistle; but few in Washington have the courage or understanding to both listen and act. Among other things MER has learned that President Bush personally some time ago promised Ariel Sharon -- during one of the nine meetings the two have held in the White House -- that he would have advance copies of all Presidential speeches dealing with the Middle East in case the Israelis felt any changes might be necessary.

Source Check 05.Nov.2003 00:10

ambiant

Hi Folks,

I stumbled accross this thread yesterday and decided to look again today. Let me say that I am very much aginst this war with iraq and the present US imperialism in general.

I do wonder that none of you seem to check quoted sources. At the start of this thread we had:

"From: the Peacewatchers at USAF's Fairford and Welford bases in the UK "

Nothing easier than to just google for them and check:

 http://www.fairfordpeacewatch.com/

There is nothing there to support this story and I think they would bother posting it.

Be careful, you will blow your credibility with those sitting on the fence on the morality of the USG and UKG course if you go running around getting excited about unfounded rumours, which may indeed be somebodies intent. Do some checking. There is enough to get upset about which is well documented and proven. I know the internet doesn't give us access to all information but for instance even you or I could have ascertained that the Niger documents were forged by using the internet. One of the signatories had left his position years ago.

Come on you lot do, you think that those who are prepared to see tens of thousands die in an illegal war mind making us look like plonkers?

Best,
Ambiant

American Muslims Told to Leave Major U.S. Cities 05.Nov.2003 00:41

Larry

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102179,00.html

American Muslims Told to Leave Major U.S. Cities

I've noticed increased aircraft activity too, over the past weekend 05.Nov.2003 00:42

Hex anon w/ encryption

Normally I wouldn't pay much attention to posts like these except this time I can confirm the increased activity.

I'm not far from a large military base in the south mid-west US

It's pretty quiet here as flight paths are precluded from flying right over us due to climate (10 miles clear skies required and we rarely have it)

Sometimes when the weather is clear we get strings of commercial jetliners, and an occasional small jet, rarely a chopper or small airplane..

But over the past several days dozens of large military aircraft and jets have went over us, appeared to be landing for refueling and moving east - most activity I've heard in years.

The activity was bad enough to ruin a couple of recordings I was making and postpone others..

It started first thing in the morning at sunrise too - also unsual as normally even when the weather is right you don't hear commercial jetliners until 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM

So something big must be going down - it appears they were moving as many aircraft east as quickly as possible.

1.) large and small military aircraft - heavy traffic (very heavy, every few min)
2.) all landing, on the western "overflow" airstrip (no departures like normal)
3.) started at dawn (a small quiet town - not used to being woken up at dawn on the weekend)

In full view, perhaps, the significance of November 13 05.Nov.2003 00:49

JAM

60 000 activists, trade unionists, peace campaigners and ordinary people gathered in Florence last year for the first European Social Forum (ESF).

This year [on November 13, 2003] the ESF takes place in Paris from on Nov 12-15

Thousands of peace activists and anti-war types in Paris, and just days before those other planned protests over Bush visit to England (Nov 19-20).

Curioser and curioser...

From www.banthebomb. org, the site listed within this article about wawr planes over Scotland.

Something to be concerned about; or a fake threat to scare away protestors? Just a thought...

it sounds very true 05.Nov.2003 01:29

allat

the reason the Americans can get away with murder is because no one believes what is going on under their very noses.

You see, it sdeem the Americans could have taken the Path of Peace and Cooperation, but instead they took the wrong path. I am sorry for that- their arrogance and thinking that they are theapex of the worlds societies and high technology used for slaughtering peoples of other countries - namely the destruction of the countries and the peoples - of Afghanistan and Iraq - who were innocent - all this will bring the Americans down.

I am sorry, because the entire world would have gone the way of the Spiritual - lead by the Americans.

Allat

Who are the Evil Doers? 05.Nov.2003 01:29

"The US Hegemon" - 5 decades of Terror cosieinvestor.com

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.


1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.


September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.


1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties


1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.


2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.


tectonic politics 05.Nov.2003 01:32

forgotten soul scott@mur-bah.com

We may be in on scoop here with this report from Scotland. Its no surprise though, hey.

As oil availability peaks and declines, surely there will be a scramble for remaining supplies by 'those who can'.
If you knew that something would
1) soon become incredibly valuable, &
2) is an essential ingredient in the economic machine for all worlds, first, third, whatever,
and if you were responsible for people - your family, group, country or whatever - then you'd take all steps towards *survival* that you could, yes? It's really a tragic twist of fate that the bulk of remaining reserves is half a world away from the biggest and thirstiest consumer of them now. And that they have competition. Those corporate friends of President Bush probably think they're justified in the profits theyre making cos they're shouldering such huge risks!

To make things even funkier, we got climatic changes on the go, adding costs, risks and uncertainty into the 'equation'.

It's a time for everyone, from top to bottom, to reflect a little on what life's all about anyway. We all just want to be happy right? How did we get into this mess?

Maybe I am wrong.......... 05.Nov.2003 01:42

Jesus H. pHucking Christ

It would seem that there has been a lot of air traffic at Hill AFB in Utah. . . . .at least that is what a friend has told me. More traffic that usual anyway.

A history intervention 05.Nov.2003 01:51

5 decades of it!

 http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/library/wonderful/index.php


1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. installs Shah as dictator.

1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians killed.


1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.

1963-1975: American military kills 4 million civilians in Southeast Asia.


September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected president Salvador Allende assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed. 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.


1980's: U.S. trains Osama bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras". 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to help them kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civilian casualties


1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.


2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid".

September 11, 2001: Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.

Mubarak Trip 05.Nov.2003 02:17

debka

I'm never sure how much I believe debka.com, but in addition to notes mentioned earlier in the thread (they repeat the story about unusual activity at scottish airbases, and also the warning for Muslims to flee NYC, DC and LA), they also have the following note:

"DEBKAfile's Middle East sources report: Mubarak made brief trip to Damascus Monday to convey sharp hands-off warning from Washington to Assad to desist from interfering in Iraq war, sponsoring Palestinian terror and frequent threats to strike at Israeli settlements on Golan Heights. Syrian ruler told he is exposing Syria to extreme American and Israeli reprisals."

(BTW, www.antiwar.com has also linked to this thread, accounting for some of the extra traffic)

Just an additional thought. The neocons in Washington know that right now they could not get any support for another attack. So don't expect a public build-up like pre-Iraq war before anything happens.

Paranoid American Nationalist 05.Nov.2003 02:26

Wen Ho Lee

The comments by "jetx" are typical of the paranoid nationalism that infects most of the Right Wing in the USA. This guy goes off on a complete tangent from the issue addressed in the thread with some anti-China rant about this being a powerplay between the USA and China over the Middle East. In the process he repeats every Republican Nostrum about the Clintons and China that would embarass even Bill Gertz or the Washington Times from the Wen Ho Lee spy hysteria/witch hunt to even the Panama Canal! This guy even claims that a Third World nation like China is on the verge of "becoming a superpower." Tell that to the hundreds of millions of peasants and workers who are making pennies working for American corporations and American owned sweatshops in China. Funnier still is the fact that he admits that America is trying to turn all these Middle East nations into pawns, but that's its okay since they will be "democratic pawns"--kinda like the Iraqi Puppet...er Governing Council?

Like most White American nationalists, the more his own American Empire bombs and kills around the world from Iraq to Afghanistan the more "jetx" tries to demonize "the Other" and portrays his own Empire as somehow being threatened or confronted "with national security problems"--whether that by China, Muslims nations, or those "Islamics who hate our freedoms." Pathetic.

Underneath all of this American vitriol of course betrays a deep sense of insecurity and nationalist fanaticism that resembles that of Nazi Germany in its Orwellian logic. This is the classic pathological psychology of all Fascist Empires--fear, insecurity, and hatred towards the non-white Other. And it is increasingly true of America.

This is why the vast majority of people around the world are openly stating that it is America (and Israel) which are the greatest threats to international peace and stability on this planet.

And make no mistake, your America will be dealt with as such.

overhead planes on Sunday before 9/11 05.Nov.2003 02:37

Eileen Moncaster

I live in an area known as the Erne Corridor, a 7 mile strip of land in the Rep of Ireland which separates UK controlled N. Ireland from the Atlantic. This has been used for US overflights of 'neutral' Irish territory since WW2.

During the month before the first Gulf War hundreds of planes passed over the Erne Corridor before dawn each day, causing a continuous 2 hour roar in the sky.

Before dawn on Sunday 7 September 2003 I heard this roar in the sky for over an hour and after sunrise noted the huge number of jet trails in the sky.

I still wonder why US warplanes were on the move 2 days BEFORE the attack on the twin towers.

In view of the reported activity over Scotland, Americans should, perhaps, be alert for another attack on their homeland in the coming days or weeks.

Partial confirmation of report 05.Nov.2003 03:23

Ken MacLeod

I've just checked with Scottish CND and they say they did pass on the report above, which originates with a contact in the North of Scotland. I was told it's transport planes that are reported as flying over. This is still being checked out.

I've also checked with a relative in the north who says that a major exercise involving low-flying fighter aircraft is taking place up there. Everybody knows about it. As far as this person kinows, an exercise is all that it is.

You mean 05.Nov.2003 03:34

???

You mean four days before?

The stench is getting stronger... 05.Nov.2003 03:52

Guy Adamson

Do you think that Fox News is giving you a full, accurate and unbiased picture? Find out who owns it, and then you will realize how they have duped your perceptions for so long. The posting concerning the Fox news link about warnings given to Muslims to leave cities in the US is a red herring and seems to be a case of reverse psychology to bury the ghost of the mobile phone text message warnings given to Israeli employees at the WTC Towers 2 hours before 911 in reality. Or for that matter the rather insightful moving out of certain informed Israeli companies and that fantastic lease transaction and handsome insurance premium for the towers by its dual-nationality US/Israeli owner Silverstein, just days before its collapse. They are trying hard but their weakness shows. In addition to this both MEMRI and DEBKA directly serve the Zio-Nazi agenda. In a case like this, it's better to shoot the messenger who delivers the bad news.

Please read the following excerpts easily obtainable from the net and wake up from your slumber. And yes, I originally linked to this site via "What really happened. Com" also, where this thread has a double posting, hence the increased volume of mostly intelligent interjection.

"Memri's purpose, according to its website, is to bridge the language gap between the west - where few speak Arabic - and the Middle East, by "providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media". Despite these high-minded statements, several things make me uneasy whenever I'm asked to look at a story circulated by Memri. First of all, it's a rather mysterious organisation. Its website does not give the names of any people to contact, not even an office address. The reason for this secrecy, according to a former employee, is that "they don't want suicide bombers walking through the door on Monday morning" (Washington Times, June 20). This strikes me as a somewhat over-the-top precaution for an institute that simply wants to break down east-west language barriers. The second thing that makes me uneasy is that the stories selected by Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease. Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the Washington Times: "Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible." Evidence from Memri's website also casts doubt on its non-partisan status. Besides supporting liberal democracy, civil society, and the free market, the institute also emphasises "the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel". That is what its website used to say, but the words about Zionism have now been deleted. The original page, however, can still be found in internet archives. The reason for Memri's air of secrecy becomes clearer when we look at the people behind it. The co-founder and president of Memri, and the registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon. Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin. Retrieving another now-deleted page from the archives of Memri's website also throws up a list of its staff. Of the six people named, three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence. Among the other three, one served in the Israeli army's Northern Command Ordnance Corps, one has an academic background, and the sixth is a former stand-up comedian. Col Carmon's co-founder at Memri is Meyrav Wurmser, who is also director of the centre for Middle East policy at the Indianapolis-based Hudson Institute, which bills itself as "America's premier source of applied research on enduring policy challenges". The ubiquitous Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's defence policy board, recently joined Hudson's board of trustees. Ms Wurmser is the author of an academic paper entitled Can Israel Survive Post-Zionism? in which she argues that leftwing Israeli intellectuals pose "more than a passing threat" to the state of Israel, undermining its soul and reducing its will for self-defence."  http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html

"Meyrav Wurmser is an expert in the Middle East and part of a neo-conservative family. Her husband David is special assistant to Undersecretary of State John Bolton and a member of the American Enterprise Institute. She is, along with a former Colonel in Israeli intelligence, the co-founder of a charity which monitors the Arab media for anti-semitic opinions. Mrs Wurmser was among a group of neo-conservatives who wrote a report intended as advice for the then incoming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996. The report, called "Rebuilding Zionism" called for a clean break with the Middle East peace process and talked about "rolling back Syria". It also spoke about removing Saddam Hussein from power. Other signatories of that report included Richard Perle, David Wurmser and Douglas Feith - who is now number three at the Pentagon. Mrs Wurmser says that although many of the neo-conservatives are Jewish, they are also able to criticise Israel. She also says that her allegiance is first and foremost to the United States."  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3034221.stm

"And in the days following the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon—and as the U.S. geared up for a military response—people have begun passing around a link to Debka.com, a crudely designed, Jerusalem-based Web site that offers Middle Eastern military, diplomatic and intelligence information far more detailed (and frightening) than what is offered by many news organizations. At its best, Debka.com reads like a tip sheet from the desert, from people who seem to know a lot more than Jeff Greenfield... A lot of the material on Debka.com is just plain scary, the kind of stuff that makes you want to close your eyes and hide under your desk... Mr. Shamis—who was born in Israel and says he's worked as a military and intelligence reporter in the region since the 1970's for daily papers and The Economist—said he started the site because of the circumspect nature of foreign-affairs reporting... So what is Debka.com's mission in its dispatches from the murky world of intelligence and counterintelligence? The two reporters acknowledged a pro-Israeli bias. "Let's put it this way," Mr. Shamis said. "We are Israelis. So whatever bias is coming out of this, that is possible. It doesn't mean that we are presenting and defending the official Israeli points of view, certainly. You can imagine that officials in Israel, the people who are in charge of whatever they call it, information or propaganda or whatever ... they don't like us very much."... Prior to the Sept. 11 attacks, Debka.com was, according to a Google search, most popular among right-wing sites like WorldNetDaily.com, as well as Zionist supporters of Israel and, in a few cases, religious apocalyptics who, one supposes, wanted a real-time account of the Book of Revelation. And in any case, having an agenda does not necessarily mean that your information is always inaccurate."
 http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=4905

Debka.com, an obvious front for Mossad disinformation is registered in domain name to Shamis communication LTD, 53/3 Bar Cochba, Jerusalem, Is 97892, Israel.

Take into careful consideration the motto of the Israeli Intelligence service, Mossad; "By way of Deception, thou shalt do war." Sounds like a new Commandment to me.

Syria called up 300,000 reservists 10/14/03 05.Nov.2003 04:26

theopposition

www.debka.com/article.php?aid=591

Reports on 10/14/03 that syria called up 300,000 reservists. Now, doesn't that sound like a fairly BIG call-up? Couple this with the fact that the US draft board is advertising right now, and it at least appears suspect, I think.

The Global bully 05.Nov.2003 04:35

Anchovy

Since the demise of Russia as a superpower we have seen the US become the tyrant they constantly warned us Russia would become. The US has become a global bully, invading country after country ( 45 since 1946). The US has killed hundreds of thousands in its attempt to Americanise the world and now is reaping its reward. They have taken control of the worlds oil supply, only for the benefit of the US. Counties like the UK , Spain, Italy and Australia are begging at the US table hoping the US will throw a few crumbs their way. This would be laughable if their weren't so many people dieing. 19,000 Iraqi civilians have died so far. The amount of Iraqi soldiers is unknown but estimated to be about 50, 000.
I don't think anyone would be surprised if the US invaded more countries around the world. The US considers itself the strongest country militarily. No one country can stand up to the US and they know it. The US considers itself an Island in a sea of humanity but that is changing. When people are facing The US's bombs and military technology they don't stand a chance but when the battle is reduced to actually fighting the US always loses, as we are seeing in Iraq today. The US will leave Iraq eventually just as they left Vietnam, that is enevitable but how many more innocent Iraqi's Afghans, Palestinians have to die first is anyone guess.

a few thoughts 05.Nov.2003 05:02

chomsky for pres

ok, i'm not saying i believe all of this, but i'm sure as hell not saying i don't either...however, about a week ago, a friend of mine who is in the US special forces was supposed to be returning home for awhile. i mean my friends and i had planned a party for him and everything but the night he was supposed to be flying into town he called and told us he wouldn't be returning after all, and now we haven't heard from him since. he didn't tell us where he was or where he was going. it doesn't prove a thing but it does fall into line with the idea that something is waiting in the wings. interesting? maybe, maybe not. thoughts?

Friendly skies? 05.Nov.2003 06:30

Fearful in Ca

I am in an area of NW California where we get perhaps - 2-4 high altitude overflights per day, always north or south, I assume passenger flights to/from San Francisco using polar route. The past 5 days there have been at least 15 north flights per day. The last time I noticed anything close to this amount of traffic was during the immediate runup to Bush's war, after he had issued his BS "ultimatum".

My money's on Syria.

oops - I meant sunday 9 september 05.Nov.2003 06:30

eileen moncaster

I hit wrong key for date of overflight by US planes of Erne corridor. The date ws Sunday 9 Sept 2003

military aircraft over Scotland 05.Nov.2003 06:31

fairfordpeacewatch fairfordpeacewatch@blueyonder.co.uk

Hello friends,

There has been a series of enquiries about an alert sent out by the Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) about a large number of military aircraft being seen in the sky over the Highlands of Scotland. We can now confirm that these aircraft are part of an exercise. I quote from  http://www.warplane.co.uk/Operations/Operations.htm, which also gives details of the aircraft involved:

Joint Maritime Course (JMC) October 27 - November 7
Joint Maritime Course exercises take place three times a year to provide collective training in a multi-threat environment for UK units, invited NATO and Allied units to enable them to operate together in tactical formations. The majority of the exercise takes place off the north west coast of Scotland but coastal range areas are also involved and sorties will continue overland as far as RAF Spadeadam in the north of England.  Apart from a parachute insertion by Hercules aircraft on Saturday 25 Oct, all overland low flying activity will be conducted in the normal UKLFS operating period of 0700-2300 Monday to Friday.  Foreign fast jets from France, Germany and Belgium will be taking part.
/end quote.

We at Fairford Peacewatch monitor activity at the military air base at Fairford in Gloucestershire and its dependent munitions base or 'bomb store' at Welford in Berkshire. These two bases are not in Scotland, but are in the south of England and are the 'forward deployed' locations of the 14 USAF B52 bombers which were used in the recent devastating bombing of Iraq in March and April. The military base at RAF/USAF Fairford is currently dormant, but can spring into life at very short notice to deploy the 'BUFFs' as the B52s are known, plus supply aircraft and has a specialist hangar installed last year to house the B2 'stealth' bomber.

We observe this base because we can, most of us live nearby, and we publish much of what we do and what we see on the website or on one of our mailing lists, as time permits. You might be interested to know that the UK's main military air base, which enables the supply chain for UK and US troops currently in Iraq is Mildenhall. The runway and other facilities at Mildenhall is to be refurbished during 2004, with much of its activity being transferred to Fairford during that period, so we can look forward to much more work next year.

We do not monitor activity at other bases, or in Scotland, although we are connected to a network of people who do, and we do pass information to and from our fellow watchers and peace activists via email and our lists and forums. Our tracker has picked up visitors from this site, and we have had many emails from friends in America. Our intent in forwarding the Scottish CND alert was to inform our fellow observers of what is happening in Scotland. Unfortunately it seems to have been forwarded incomplete, and as if it has come from us. The Scottish CND website is:  http://www.banthebomb.org and their email address is:  scnd@banthebomb.org

Much excellent work on what's happening at the many American bases around the UK can be found at the website of the Campaign for the Accountability of American Bases (CAAB).  http://www.caab.org.uk/

We hope that might help to clarify some confusion. Please feel free to contact us if we can be of any further help.
Warm regards, and in peace !
Fairford Peacewatch


re: such rubbish+ interesting links 05.Nov.2003 06:43

hank

So you have counter intel.? All I see from you is enuendo. Unlike yourself, an earlier poster had a possible explanation for the unusual increase in activity. I've got a colleague asking about the activity in Scottland. If he/she hears anything I'll report. Thought others might like to see this. A Zionist point of view on recent past and the future. This an extreme view. http://www.noahide.com/finalwar.htm And THIS hair raiser was mentioned earlier about Russian nuclear tipped missiles guarding Syria and Iran against the Israel and the US. I've second sourced about 50% of this with open news sources. It's worth consideration, imo! The author mentions a 'Plan B', if US and Israel can't capture remaining oil reserves and the fiat dollar completely tanks, which is called 'Fortress America'. Does anybody know anything about that? I'd heard the term, but only in passing. Apparently, it's not a new plan. http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/

A little bit of knowledge for the uninformed 05.Nov.2003 07:29

Sunspot

First a quote that everyone needs to be familiar with....

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. it works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering as he was interviewed in his jail cell by a German speaking U.S. Army intelligence officer, Gustave Gilbert, during the Nuremberg trials.


If you were to ask most Americans how WWII started, most would say because of an attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese on December 7, 1941. That's the American perspective though, because the real roots of WWII were way back in 1933, when the US was mired in the Great Depression, busy managing a 20 something percent unemployment rate and keeping people from starving.

Goering exploited the "Reichstag fire" which occurred in February 27, 1933... which many suspected (and still suspect) that he had engineered or allowed to happen...at any rate, the result of that fire was for the Government to implement a series of "temporary emergency laws" which destroyed the last remnants of civil rights in Germany. The next month, in March of 1933, the Reichstag passed "the Law for Terminating the Suffering of People and Nation", also known as the "Enabling Law", which essentially granted unlimited (and dictatorial) power to "protect the people" against terrorists such as the ones who were claimed to have set the Rischstag fire.

Goering, who now lives in infamy as a morally reprehensible war criminal, racist and sociopath seized on the "Enabling Law" as an opportunity to create the now infamous German Secret Police, whose founding mission was to provide Germany's state security for it's citizens. This was an organization where security and justice were tyrannically applied amid a very high level of secrecy and virtually no procedural checks. People who were targeted disappeared. The Secret Police investigated, apprehended, and sometimes even judged the suspect in secrecy, and were only accountable for their actions only to the highest levels of the government, and no one else.

The Enabling Law did away with any dissenting voices, because they were now terrorists according to law, and subject to torture, prison or death (or all of the above) by the secret police. If you, as a citizen, said anything the Government didn't like, you were gone. Incredibly, the population was even urged to spy on each other and people became very afraid to speak and suspicious of their neighbors. This powerful law enabled Hitler to grab all the power he needed to pursue his heinous crimes against humanity unchecked. He took his army, one of the most powerful armies in the world at the time, to launch invasions of other countries and pursue his agenda. He openly flaunted world opinion. It took about 10 years from the Riechstag fire until we had a raging world war with nearly every major country forced to get involved and take sides. Interestingly Hitler, arguably insane, but with high approval ratings (at first), apparently believed he was on a mission from God. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator" -- Hitler Reichstag speech in 1938.

Now...some important current information....

"from page 51 of the Project For The New American Century (or PNAC), and we quote:"
"A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies. Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

That was written in 2000. In 2001 the US had what some would say is a "new Pearl Harbor".

"Article I, section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the authority to declare war. With the passage of H.J.Res. 114 and S.J.Res. 46, which became Public Law No. 107-243, Congress abdicated this responsibility and passed it on to the President."

Follow me now...this isn't hard...the people benind PNAC and securing the realm are guess who? Well, they are the people directing the president.

Here is a link to the document being referred to...."Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" -Sep 2000. You'll see some familiar names on the by line...like William Kristol and John Bolton
 http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

here are some more links

 http://newamericancentury.org/index.html

Here is the "statement of principles", whose signatories are your favorite Neo-conservatives
Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz.
 http://newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

 http://www.dean-justinspoliticaljournal.cafeprogressive.com/pnac.htm

and this gives important backgrouind

How We Got Into This Imperial Pickle: A PNAC Primer
By Bernard Weiner, Ph.D
 http://www.q2112.com/how_we_got_into_this_imperial_pickle_a_pnac_primer.htm

and finally, the companion document. If you read and understand this document along with the PNAC document, then you will understand the world today.

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
by Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser
 http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Now for extra credit, here is a link to exerpts from a classified document called "Defense Planning Guidance"
Paul Wolfowitz, then-under secretary of defense for policy, supervised the drafting of a 1992 policy statement on America's mission in the post-Cold War era. Called the "Defense Planning Guidance," it is an internal set of military guidelines that typically is prepared every few years by the Defense Department. This policy guidance is distributed to military leaders and civilian Defense Department heads to provide them with a geopolitical framework for assessing their force level and bugetary needs. The 46-page classified document circulated for several weeks at senior levels in the Pentagon. But controversy erupted after it was leaked to The New York Times and The Washington Post and the White House ordered then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney to rewrite it.
 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/etc/wolf.html

For extra extra credit....
1 9 8 4
 http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/orwell.html

Now, I have just given you the tools to understand.

Ignorance 05.Nov.2003 07:39

LEGION

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men"

Israel against the resto of the world 05.Nov.2003 07:47

Sniper-zionist

OK. Seems to me like "A Beautiful Mind" the movie.. just forget about Oscars & Nobele Prize.

OK, maybe Israel is going to command all the World. A pity.
So small Israel - so large World. A pity...

I would never try to command such a ant hill. Too dirty place to command. Sorry...

Does this put you conspiracy theorists over active minds at rest? 05.Nov.2003 07:51

Kinny

>>Joint Maritime Course (JMC) October 27 - November 7

Joint Maritime Course exercises take place three times a year to provide collective training in a multi-threat environment for UK units, invited NATO and Allied units to enable them to operate together in tactical formations.

The majority of the exercise takes place off the north west coast of Scotland but coastal range areas are also involved and sorties will continue overland as far as RAF Spadeadam in the north of England. Apart from a parachute insertion by Hercules aircraft on Saturday 25 Oct, all overland low flying activity will be conducted in the normal UKLFS operating period of 0700-2300 Monday to Friday. Foreign fast jets from France, Germany and Belgium will be taking part.<<

 http://www.warplane.co.uk/Operations/Operations.htm

Dear Bert 05.Nov.2003 07:52

MARTE

Dear Bert I believe you're talking about those "Democratic Liars" with hands-on corporation wealth. Of course, you're right except one thing. THEY are a few and the rest of the Democrats with NO hand-on corporation wealth are many. You look to me pretty scared. Before you go to cash your latest paycheck don't forget to grab your gas mask with you. You may need it. One question for you: Did your "friends" have offered you yet a place in their survival underground bunker? What is going on in your country is not at all about Democrats or Republicans seeking power. It is a fight for human SURVIVAL and please don't blow your last chance to be there when your country need any one of you the most. If THEY can order a mass killing with a smiling face THEY won't feel sorry for you if you will die tomorrow. THEY are very sick people living in a very sick time and close with a very sick land (Yellowstone). Right now as we speak Humanity is living in a time when MONEY counts no more. When you will figure out what really counts for your survival, you will be save. Until then prey to your soul that "nothing" will happened tomorrow. Take care.

Complete bullsh*t 05.Nov.2003 07:58

Don't you people verify?

So explain to me why the Peacewatchers themselves make NO MENTION of any of this on their website (www.fairfordpeacewatch.com)? Or why my aunt and uncle in Beauly (that's in the Highlands, kids) haven't seen anything of the sort. And they're a couple of anti-war, Labour-voting socialists, too, so sticking it to "the man" would be totally up their alley.

You people must be total whack-jobs to suckered in by morons like "Empire Slayer" without even checking up on him, which took me all of five minutes. But no, I guess even the most ridiculous of stories sounds good to you conspiracy-loving fantasists. Who cares about the facts, eh?

Yes, some of us do verify 05.Nov.2003 08:25

hank

Thanks for your input. If you look over my previous, you'll see that I've been second sourcing as I can. Do you trust the govt? Do you believe what you're told, or are you suspicious of those who seek power? If the answer is no, then I invite you to join the US or UK armies for informative activities in various parts of the world for four instrucitve years! Remember, 'we' need cannon fodder such as your trusting selves. Thanks again!

reverse symbolism in maths equation part two 05.Nov.2003 08:59

anonymous shredder

Some of you out there are scoffing at my maths equations regarding those terrorist attacks
well i can tell you that President vincente fox of mexico is a satanists
I once infiltrated a group of powerful satanists and when I mean powerful I mean going all the way up to the drug dealing that is organised by ex vietnam vets working in the whitehouse for the central criminality and childpornography agency
So conspiracy theory aside those of you who work in "intelligence need to wake up to what is truly happening even if it is comfortable for you to believe the incredibly ludricous "official story" os 9/11/03
and while you're at it take a look at www.trance-formation.com and have a look at the satanic diagrams in the street layout of washington dc,and just for starters agents there is a digrazm of an owl and a satanic pentagram there..please help us on earth intelligence people we need you bush is a child rapist..

reverse symbolism in maths equation pt 3 05.Nov.2003 09:14

same as before in last two

I have infiltrated various religious sects and studied thier codes and practises..........I am also knowledgeable in witchcraft not the stupid harry potter stuff but the real thing.....by the way perhpas not many of you are aware that the U.S military has been for three or more decades investing millions into discreetly researching Extra Sensory perception and "remote viewing" which is the gathering of crucial important militardata and info about lets say russian secret nuclear missile silos through the perception of the pineal gland via "the astral body" this is known as "PSYOPS" amongst other things go to google an type in "MKULTRA" if yuou don't believe me...and at hiddenmysteries.com there are many books on the CIA use of child sex slaves to smuggle drugs and snare leading political and royalty arab figures into obedience to "uncle sam".....
so intelligence people wake the ...k up and start seeing what is actually that brown and root is used to smuggle large quantities of top grade cocaine
and opium and heroin into the lucrative United States arena,...and your berloved president GW BUSHis deeply involved in this as is his father as also are many high ranking figures in the penatagon,the FBI and the CIA so wake up and help us on earth before they start locking evryone away for no good reason.....George bush Kills and rapes very young children www.trance-formation.com get the book see for yourself wake the ...k up ...i am not a conspiracy theorist just have not allowed my mind to be tampered with like lots of you have.......

not really 05.Nov.2003 09:58

AKS

Guys I do beleive that US and Israel are very aggresive and spontanious nations. But I mean cmon. US is in shit up to its ears, how smart could it be to start another war. Now if Bush gets reelected then we may say that something could happen, but Bush is barely holding his positions, so this "air show" could have been just a military exercise. They still have those right?

Joe says the sky is falling and they'll kill us all 05.Nov.2003 10:57

but why?

Joe takes a swipe at those who "have eyes to see" and "ears to hear" with a little ditty such as "the sky is falling
and they'll kill us all" reminding us of the Chicken Little children's story. But I ask why would they kill us, as for
most part, the average Joe is already BRAIN DEAD and so willingly accepts all the blather they dish out to us?
They need a blind and deaf public to give sanction for what they do (albeit via ignorance) and continue to fund
the madness, so just why would they kill us? The sky has already fallen for lot's of folk's, who no doubt view it
as the Late Great Planet Earth (or not so great, depending on perspective); and their needless deaths cry out
for JUSTICE. It's the way of the universe...called KARMA! This madness once set loose, is near impossible to
contain, and will sooner or later, redound to the originator's. So, let their sky fall and let them be...

Chemical Protection Gloves 05.Nov.2003 11:05

Susie Dow blogistonpost@yahoo.com

The following news article may be of interest. Why do the soldiers need chemical protection gloves at this late date? Either they were sent to Iraq unprepared, or the DoD expects new conflicts to arise.

See:
N. Charleston company lands $10M military contract
October 2, 2003 Post and Courier of Charleston, SC

North Safety Products of North Charleston learned Wednesday it has won a $10 million contract from the Defense Department to manufacture chemical protection gloves for U.S. troops in Iraq.

 http://www.charleston.net/stories/100203/bus_02gloves.shtml


Beautiful! 05.Nov.2003 11:05

chris

All I can see in this thread is the conspiracy theory mindset at fervent, fevered work.

Step 1: Decide that something is true - for example, that the US is going to invade another country. Not in a matter of months, after the usual chest-beating, lying in the press, creating a bogeyman, etc. that accompanies every single other invasion, mind you, but tomorrow, silently, for no announced reason. OK, maybe not tomorrow, but DEFINITELY the day after that.

Step 2: Sieze on events that may or may not have any connection to your already-decided belief, and triumphantly annouce them as proof that you are right!!

What we have here is a classic case of using "evidence" by people to support their theories about US flash invasions - theories that they have already decided are true. So when stuff like this comes along, BAM!, it's "proof".

Uh, not, it's not. It's military exercises. Get a grip.

chris

HERE IS A BONE FOR THE WAR DOGS TO CHEW 05.Nov.2003 11:14

bone tosser

FOR THOSE WHO DOUBT THE STATEMENT THAT MANY "AVEAGE JOES" ARE BRAIN DEAD, THEN READ THIS ONE...gives the War Dogs quite a bone to chew, does it not? For immediate release Tuesday, November 4, 2003 Contact: Kellyanne Conway (202) 667-6557 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHOCKING POLL: A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS CANNOT NAME A SINGLE DEPARTMENT IN THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET. Washington, DC - Most Americans are unable to identify even a single department in the United States Cabinet, according to a recent national poll of 800 adults. Specifically, the survey found that a majority (58%) could not provide any department names whatsoever; 41% could. Only 4% of those surveyed specified at least five of the 19 executive-level departments, a figure comparable to the poll's overall margin of error (+/-3.5%). The same firm that last year revealed an eye-popping 64% of Americans could not name any of the Justices of the United States Supreme Court, has now uncovered a similar lack of knowledge with respect to the Executive Branch of federal government. "These poll numbers would make any high school civics teacher cringe," says Kellyanne Conway, President and CEO of the polling company, inc., in Washington, DC, the firm that conducted the survey. "The differing levels of knowledge according to gender, race and age are astonishing," she continued. "An incredible 70% of 18-34 year olds failed to specify a single agency or department, and while a majority of men (52%) could name at least one, less than one-third of women (32%) could do the same." Total Men Women Dept of Defense 23% 29% 19% Dept of Treasury 14% 16% 12% Dept of State 13% 16% 10% Dept of Homeland Security 12% 15% 8% Dept of Interior 11% 15% 8% No respondent named all nineteen correctly and only 1% was able to name at least 11 departments within the President's Cabinet. Hispanics (79%), African Americans (75%), 18-34 year olds (70%), women (68%), and Pacific coast residents are among the groups most likely to say "I don't know" when asked to name at least one department within the current United States Cabinet. QUESTION Currently, the Federal Government includes executive level departments that advise the President. The heads of these departments are collectively known as the Cabinet. Could you please name as many departments as you can that are part of the current United States Cabinet? (Note: This question was open-ended and multiple responses were accepted, meaning, all respondents were invited to name as few or as many departments as they could. If a respondent provided the specific name of a cabinet secretary or administrator, e.g., "Colin Powell," they were credited with a correct response. 58% DO NOT KNOW 23% DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE 14% DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY 13% DEPARTMENT OF STATE 12% DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 11% DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR 8% DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE 8% DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES 6% DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE 6% DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 6% DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION 6% DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION 4% DEPARTMENT OF LABOR 3% DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY 2% THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY 2% DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT 1% DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS 1% UNITED STATES TRADE REPRESENTATIVE 1% OFFICE OF NATIONAL DRUG CONTROL POLICY * OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET 1% OTHER the polling company™, inc/ WomanTrend is a full-service public opinion research firm in Washington DC and New York. The margin of error for the entire survey is calculated at +3.5%. Full survey results for both installments of the "Shocking Poll" are available on the web at www.pollingcompany.com. The first Shocking Poll found more than twice the number of Americans could cite the number and names of the Rice Krispies Characters than the United States Supreme Court Justices.

My thoughts 05.Nov.2003 11:22

hutch

Hmmm ... .. where to begin.

1. Fairford peace watch
I have gone to their site and the plane logs seem to be down. If the above poster is a representative of them, then it is truly just and exercise and not a buildup for an attack. Since this story seems to be such big news, I suggest that they edit their site to reflect the validity of this topic.

2. troop movements
I have witnessed several military vehicles moving along the highway where I live and others have mentioned the same. The question remains of whether this is to replace equipment/people loss in Iraq/Afghanistan or to support a new front. The other day I was reading an article stating that 15,000 troops from Washington state were called up to head for Iraq. I have also heard from a friend that her son said he was called up and headed to Syria. The question still remains if Iraq is the target or Syria/Lebenon. The increased air traffic could also be related to items moving to Iraq.

3. Exercise
The military loves exercises, and one is scheduled for that area at this time. This could explain the increased air over the area being reported. The military has also used exercises to position themselves into an area for potential conflict in the past so it is not out of the realm of possibility.

4. Russia
Isreal and the US are very upset at Russia at the moment because of a few reasons. The Russians are making financial moves against the US and this is obviously not making Bush a happy camper. The oil baron has gotten Isreal very upset with Russia and could easily be the reason for the numerous visits and calls between the 3.

4. Syria/Isreal/Lebenon
These 3 are pounding the war drum as hard and as strong as they seem to be able to muster. The question remains is will it break into a war or will wiser heads prevail. However if Isreal were to make a move against either or both of them, the US would surely intervene and could explain troop movements and gearing up for the draft.

5. Draft
It appears to me that the US is defiantly gearing up for a reinstatement of the draft. Even if it were to do so the earliest I believe they could draft and put men into the field would be 3-6 months minimum. However the draft reinstatement does not necessary mean a new war, I believe we have all read that the troops morale and re-enlistment amounts are low. It could be just to refill the dead/deserting/mustering out.

6. Plans
I do not think you should change your plans or cower in fear. It could be nothing. However you also don't want to be caught unprepared either, so stock up just in case. I am not talking about stocking up on supplies for years or items for the end of civilization, be reasonable. Prepare as you would if you were unable to get out of your house for a few days to a week without power/water/gas. Most people have this already in case a snow storm, flood, power loss, or some other disaster. I called my family and basically said the same thing, could be nothing, but make sure your emergency supplies are up to snuff.

7. My personal thoughts
I do not think they US has the manpower currently to launch another ground offensive against another country. It is currently stretched thing with Iraq and Afghanistan. However I do feel that it is defiantly capable of assisting Isreal via air, or performing raids into other countries. As long as the US does not have to hold the ground personally it is entirely feasible. My personal feeling is that Syria/Isreal/Lebenon is going to go to war, with the US providing air support for Isreal. It will be sold to the US as poor Isreal being attacked by the nasty ARABS that caused 9-11. By that time the draft should be in place and ready to roll troops off the assembly line. This would obviously break into a regional war with real possibilities of expanding.

As for another terrorist attack, I am in the camp of many others that believe we are due again. No matter who you believe is/was behind it, now would be a decent time to attack. The reasons obviously depend on who you think is behind them. Bush needs one to hold power, and terrorist because the US has become complacent again.

Par for the Bush Administration 05.Nov.2003 12:03

Adam

The Bush administration is hell bent on starting as many wars as possible inconjunction with those who know little to nothing about fighting a war. I would feel better if Bush's daughters were in Iraq. Bush is a scary terrorist who needs to be stopped. Whatever it takes, I am for it.

its true! 05.Nov.2003 13:45

roy shivers

ITS TRUE!

This is a response from BanTheBomb.org, I wrote to them....

-----


Thanks to everyone who has been responding to the newsflash from local
people about aircraft movements over the Scottish Highlands between Saturday
25th - Tuesday 28th October. We've had a lot of response and general
information from activists in the US, as well as elsewhere, adding to the
picture. Some more of the detail that has come from the Highlands tells us
that the aircraft involved were probably C5 Galaxy Transporters. These are
enormous transport aircraft, which can be used in the large-scale movement
of troops and/or equipment. We are continuing to investigate and monitor and
all information is welcome.

Scottish CND, 15 Barrland Street Glasgow G41 1QH
Tel: 0141 423 1222 www.banthebomb.org  scnd@banthebomb.org

North Korea! 05.Nov.2003 14:31

Elvis Eleven

All I can say is I wouldnt want to be in North Korea this week.

Though I do not doubt that there will be anotheer enormous terrorist attack in the US prior to the Presidential election.

Bush and Zion are Anti-Christs 05.Nov.2003 14:35

Seeker

Alot of viewpoints are being expressed.
This reminds of "free radio" of bygone days. But now we need that type of freedom of expression here in the US.
Much to the governments displeasure. DO NOT COMMIT CRIMES- THE GOVERNMENT HATES COMPETITION!!!

America does look to be following in footsteps of Nazi Germany. And "TIPS" is just a new name for "Stazi" as is so called " Neighborhood Watch" I would like to tell that shill Ed Mcman where he can put his neighborhood watch program. ( *&%!$@&&) Cause I have a life, so I have better things to do than spy on my neighbors... and the mentality of pointing accusing fingers at neighbors, looks too much like Salem witch hunts and Nazi children narcing (sp?) on old dear mom and dad, for having freedom of thought.... anyway that mentality is TRANSFERENCE. I do not play such games. And I do not take marching orders from corrupt officials no more than I allow the pressitutes on the TV news to tell me what to think. My mind, my heart & my soul are NOT FOR SALE.

Indeed these are interesting times we live in. When I was little child I could have never imagined the world would become so maniacal as it is currently. But that is what we get, for ALLOWING LUNATIC LEADERS to lead us into the oblivion of HELL. We are WAY OVERDUE A REVOLUTION. Hell, the little shrub jr. was not even elected. He took the office by clever coup. Care of Diebold & Jebs miss counts of so called "Votes". Yes indeedy, we in the US get to live under the ILLUSION we have FREEDOM. (*sic) None are so enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

Anyway....
The guy who talked of Bushes evil, and the symbolism these bastards use... he is onto something.
Do not take my word for it.
Go to your library & check out the book " The New Satanists" it's a real eye opener.
Also check out what this site has to say about Bush and Zionism:
 http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/the_conspiracy.htm

And remember... SATAN IS FATHER OF LIES. WHO IS CAUGHT IN PERPETUAL WEB OF LIES???
Bush claims he serves God. He is Blasphemer. As the HYPOCRIT claims to fight others for the very same things!!
Hellooooo!!!
He ignores " THOU SHALT NOT KILL" ...PRE-EMPTIVE WAR IS WRONG.
He igonores "THOU SHALT NOT COVET", as he pillages the oil and the US Economy. Greed is a Major Sin, so is Stealing.
He ignores "THOU SHALT NOT LIE" Question: How can you tell bush is lieing? Answer: His lips are moving.
Bush is a satanist. He is selfish, self serving evil.
Selfishness is one of the edicts of satanism. Which is diametrically opposed to love.
Bush promulgates hate, fear... Which completely oppose the sublime principles of love.

And I AM CONVINCED 911 WAS PERPETRATED BY THE Bush-ZION TEAM. I have collected vast archives supporting this belief. I know I am not the only one doing that.

I know people who almost worship that demon in the whitewash house. I am astounded by how blind jingoism makes a person. So much so... that I personally am convinced, that those that cheer bush in his imperial conquests have as much blood on their hands as the pawns that actually slaughter innocent souls for him. IMHO. If someone ordered me to kill an innocent human being for them, I would tell that person to go to hell.
Isn't it strange... the people who killed for Charlie Manson are deemed evil, but the people who unwittingly served Hilter & who now serve Bush, are considered righteous according to hilter & or bush. Think about that.

Combine all rotten acts by Charlie Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Ed Casey, the Hillside Stranglers & these heinous crimes do not equal the hell & destruction that coward chicken legs bush has wrought upon the world. BUSH IS A SATAN,SO TOO ARE ALL THOSE WHO ARE WITH HIM IN HEART AND DEED.

IMHO

Think for a second here!! 05.Nov.2003 14:49

anon

"spotters have also been able to overhear pilots talking by listening to their radio frequencies"
Do you honestly think that some local scotland residents are capable of listening in on our encrypted radio frequencies when the US has the most technologically advanced communication system in the world. Somebody should inform our military that our defenses are so weak, even ordinary people on the ground can eavesdrop on thier top secret plans. Think about it. There is no way people on the ground are able to listen in on our military frequencies. Furthermore, I think the US would go to a little more effort to conceal a top secret plan of invasion than to expose it by flying aircraft for all to see.

anon 05.Nov.2003 16:01

give it up

There are a bunch of morons on this string. They will believe what they want to believe. "Want" is the key word here. They won't listen to your common sense. It's not as exciting. Unfortunately they make Indymedia look bad.

flying aircraft for all to see 05.Nov.2003 16:30

Hark al-Ada

Or course they would not fly the aircaft for all to see! IF they had a choice. What's that choice. Stealth heavy-lift cargo planes? Oh, perhaps the are so stealthy that we never found out about them?

About the communications. Knowing a little about the practices of the US fighting Uruk-hai, it would not surprise me in the least that even Chip and Dale can overhear them.

Shrub al-Shaitan and his accomplices are going to start the Global War, somehow, no matter what, and SOON. I cannot judge whether this is it or not, buy it might very well be. And to the point of "just manouvers"---that's a TYPICAL cover before an attack.

LIES? 05.Nov.2003 18:16

SIMPLE THINKER

Lies or no lies, all will show in a few days.

Just a thought on the current situation..... All the "terror" talk begins with the Bush Administration and, as it seems accepted by all, a well organized 9-11 stunt.
I just hope the american people actually see this and vote smartly next time.
Until then, I'll just keep my fingers crossed that WW3 will not begin. ooh, and if it does, this time religions would be involved making warfare even worse than Hitler.

exercises 05.Nov.2003 18:39

patton

Remember, the US military knows people are watching them. Not just the peace groups, but the other militaries of the world watch their movements. Thus, its not uncommon for them to cover their movements under "exercises". Often a long-planned and regularly occurring exercises can be used to mask other troop movements.

So who knows what's going. One thing for certain, you know CNN isn't going to announce that the US is about to attack Syria. So if you are going to know something's coming, its most likely you'd know from exactly the sort of reports in this thread. On the other hand, it could also just be BS.

To me the key is to keep your eyes and your ears and your mind open. Listen to everything, draw connections where you can. But don't go flying off the handle on the basis of a few rumors either. I do think we've got a tool now that we haven't had before in that the internet allows us to compile these various rumors in a single place. Of course, military intelligence will also be posting here in an attempt to make us disbelieve or confuse us. Trust the force Luke. Trust your own inner voice as to what seems good and right and true and what doesn't. The trolls from the FBI and military intel will have a hard time fooling that voice.

PSYOPS 05.Nov.2003 19:40

Remote Viewer

The Bush family new every detail of 911 long before it happend.There family owned the security at the world trade center and set FBI agent John P O'Neill up to die.
I plead for all inteligence officers to learn remote viewing as quickly as use can and help the people of the United States of America and the world.
read Joe McMoneagle #1 top remote viewer
read David Morhouse
go to PSI-TECH Pele

I'LL TELL YOU WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN 05.Nov.2003 20:06

Merlin

As for something BIG about to take place, well yes indeed there is a rare astronomical/astrological event to
take place roughly 5:00PM PST come this Saturday, November 8th. It's a combination very rare Grand Sex-
tile Planitrary Alignment and a Total Lunar Eclipse. This last occurred roughly 6,000 years ago, and it was
quite an event. Guess who's calendar orginated from that date/event? The Jewish Calendar of antiquity!

The early and even today's more orthodox rabbinical authorities considered an eclipse of the Moon as a
very "bad omen", with a "blood red Moon" (as this one will be as seen in the dark skiies of the Middle East)
symbolizing violence, war, evil factions rising up and the commencement of a period of Judgement for the
wicked.

For those into "numbers" and their significance, the event will be November 9, 2003, or 11-9, the reverse of
9-11. Satanic cabalist love to repeat themselves with same numerology, even if they have to reverse them.

I'm betting my money that "whatever" is going to start when this event take's place, and it will be BIG. Only
question I have is just who will the "wicked" be when its all over? Good question? Lifes are staked upon it
rest well assured. Our clock is ticking...can you hear the cosmic tick, tock, tick, tock....?

Not Often Russia Steals back $6B from foreigners re Yukos 05.Nov.2003 20:27

SurG`eon surgeon100@hotmail.com

Russia has just re-appropriated $6B in Yukos shares (control 2/3 oil pipelines in Russia) to the loss of BIG international investors, are talking of pricing their Oil in Euros (Iran will follow suit), and if you believe Vailis also deployed Sunburn Supersonic Nukes to Syria and Iran. No wonder that the US and Israel is packing Sh*t - both militarily and also financially. This would explain the flurry of military activity.....

Bush needs another terror strike to come in a hurry to justify action!!!!

Just follow the money trail - this all adds up to the USD under siege through the breaking of the monopoly of the currency in which it is traded. This is why Russia is so preoccupied with supporting Iran and heading off Yukos being sold to US companies.

This will end in conflict for sure - if Russia is determined to have its way...

Sur`ge

Yeah...vote for Bush! 05.Nov.2003 20:29

Jack

Those of you who will be laughing when Bush wins...well, so will I! Here is the strategy my buddy and I have come up with: INTENTIONALLY vote for Bush to destroy the U.S. empire! Here is how it works. First, we re-elect Bush and receive four more years of Republican "management" of the economy. This means destruction of most of the American middle class, and the cumulative loss (since the beginning of his presidency) of about 40% of our entire industrial base. When everyone in America is making $8.00 an hour with no medical benefits or pensions, we will be on our way to the "toothless, 300 pounder, bib-overall wearing" WHITE TRASH NATION. With some married couples working 2 1/2 jobs (up to 100 hours a week) juvenile delinquincy and educational shortcomings will continue to increase. Concentration on war production will doom any chance the U.S. has of remaining economically competitive in the long run (Japan=60 mile per gallon hybrids, U.S.="bunker buster" bombs. SO VOTE FOR BUSH AND DESTROY THE US. The invasion of Iraq will be the first, AND LAST, war of the American Empire...blessedly, one of the shortest-lived empires in history.

believers 05.Nov.2003 21:22

snowball

can tell flying cows has been properly indoctrinated. Go see a movie. Ignore what the government of the US is doing in your name. And every Muslim is a suicide bomber.

Well, I guess he's not one hundred percent indoctrinated. If so, he have said "homicide bombing muslims".

The one argument the infiltrators will always use is that any action will not change things or stop bush. So we hear its hopeless to sit here and read indymedia and maybe learn a bit of what's going on. You'll also hear it that protests and political actions won't change anything. So you'll hear don't do anything and go see a movie because you can't do anything. And you'll hear that you need to go into the streets in violent actions because a peaceful protest won't change anything.

The one thing that scares the elite of this country is that people will start to learn a bit about what is going on. The one thing that will work to change this country is that the people of this country will start to learn what is going on. And that is slowly starting to happen.

5000, 10000 people in a protest won't by itself change anything. But its a seed that can grow. A few thousand people reading indymedia can't change anything. But its a seed that can grow. Think numbers like 50,000,000 people. Thats what we need to change the direction of this country.

We won't get to 50,000,000 people overnight. But we can get there as more and more people start to learn what this government is doing. There's a giant disconnect between what this country says its foreign policy is and what this country really does in the world. What can create 50,000,000 people opposed to the elites that run this country is people starting to learn more and more about what this country really does in the world.

Iraq is waking people up. Now it may sound foolish to think that the US would attack another country when bogged doewn in Iraq. But on the other hand, the air force and the cruise missile launchers aren't what's bogged down in Iraq. We almost certainly see ground troops committed to another attack, but the US committing ground troops in Iraq was actually a large break in the warfare policies of the US of the last 20 years. And the cruise missile and guided precision weapons stockpiles have probably been restocked now since the days of shock and awe. And the way the neocons in control in Washington think, it probably does seem logical to them that the way to stop the bleeding they are currently suffering is to start another crisis, and go bomb someone else, or threaten to go bomb someone else.

So we've got Israel raising the stakes with Syria, seeming to try to ratchet up a crisis. We've got debka (aka mossad disinformation) and Fox News (aka republican disinformation) running stories about a terror threat against major us cities. We apparently are seeing an increase in US military activity, air force and special forces. Ie, the types of forces that are not tied-down in Iraq.

The open question is, how much have the people woken up from the Iraq disaster? Did they notice the lies that led to Iraq? Are they noticing the body bags, excuse me "transfer tubes" is the latest orwellian twist, coming home. Will they believe another "wag the dog" crisis designed to distract them from their other problems. My guess is that that routine can only be played so many times. But I'd guess the neo-cons will eventually do it one time too many.

Is this the time? Is there really an attack building up? Will the people glue themself to the military-reality-entertainment programming one more time?

But one thing I know for sure. I've learned that whenever people are trying to tell me not to read something, not to listen to someone, not to pay attention to what's going on, then that's where I need to be paying attention.

If enought people learn to do that, the government will fall. It may fall in an election that is really a revolution. It may fall from 10,000,000 showing up in DC and saying they won't leave until we get our country back. It won't happen tonight because you read this post. But for every new person that reads this thread, and starts to realize that what they hear from the government and the media isn't the truth, then its a step closer.

And for those that paid attention to what happened in eastern europe in the early 90's, then you know that when things reach a critical mass, things can happen quicker than you think. When the combination is reached that enough people know they've been lied to and screwed. And then when they start to see that there are actions that can be taken to really change things, then things can snowball quickly. In eastern europe, protests went from 10,000 to a 1,000,000 people in a week, as people got the scent of blood that told them they could really change things.

So that's why you see the posts that say don't believe this. The posts that say don't pay attention, these are all crackpots. That's why you see the posts that say you can't change anything, just go see a movie instead. Those posters are desperately trying to keep the snowball from rolling down the hill. Seems to me that they are starting to show a bit of stress and strain in their tasks.

Well put there Snowball! 05.Nov.2003 21:35

just me!

That is a good comment there Snowball. It captures the truth of the real POWER that is simply there for our
taking, if we only will. As for the dolt's & dullard's that are under stress and strain right now, I'd imagine they
will soon start breaking under that and start flinging stools all about as they try to grunt their way back up to
top of their little mountains. When they're flinging stools, is the time for you and all other's to fling snowballs!

Reply to Anon 05.Nov.2003 22:40

Paul

Do you believe what you want to believe or what others want you to believe?

11,12,13 come on give us a break! 05.Nov.2003 23:25

natas-ytriht-ytriht

You guys look for patterns a bit too much, ever hear of the word concidence? Same applies to these aircraft, do you honestly believe there haven't been overflights of scotland the past few months before this was reported? This is yet another fine example why you cant trust the left wing independant media, there "news" is nothing but exaggeration and overstatement. What a bunch of lonely, sad individuals to believe any word of this. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

norman soloman's column 05.Nov.2003 23:33

coincidence

Just so happened that I went to read Norman Soloman's column after reading this. I won't paste it all in, but here's a taste and a link.

"Faulting the president for a lack of military effectiveness in Iraq sets a media tone that could be partly stilled, at least temporarily, by any number of military maneuvers. A U.S. missile attack on Iran or Syria, on the pretext that "terrorists" are entering Iraq from across the borders, could provide a new round of red-white-and-blue euphoria.

The U.S. news media usually love missile strikes. No American casualties. Lots of TV imagery displaying the Pentagon's technological prowess. "

 http://www.antiwar.com/orig/solomon3.html

sorry for the double post 05.Nov.2003 23:48

snowball

Sorry for the double post. Think I hit the back button and caused it.

Remember, if you want to see how a magician does his trick, don't look where he directs your attention. And don't listen to his pattern. His patter, the flashy show girls, and the hand he's waving to catch your eye are all meant to distract you. Look where you aren't supposed to be looking. Look where the magician doesn't want you to look. And what you are looking for will be a little thing, nothing big. Maybe just a stray ray of light that illuminates a string or a mirror that you aren't supposed to notice.

Bandits 06.Nov.2003 01:36

DIY

American terrorists are ready to get some new oil.

Why do people who hate bush get branded Left wing? 06.Nov.2003 02:27

Dipshits

Look, just because I don't like Coca Cola doesn't mean i prefer Pepsi. You guys need to understand that left and right are both wings of the SAME bird. It's them that appear and tell us that we must vote for them. To hell with this system of MEN. Lets all unite under the common believe in life and nature and bettering ourselves. you want to vote for some bloke in a suite who will make all these promises, but just earn lots of cash and send kids off to their death to look good on TV. A change is something we are all in need of. I'm loathed to the idea of a nuclear attack on the 13th that sets off armageddon, but on the other hand - maybe it'll knock these bozo's out of power and reset the human race on a better course.

GOD BLESS AMERICA 06.Nov.2003 03:00

ARMEDANDREADY

hahahahohohohohohehehehehe ! :)

Return of Bush 06.Nov.2003 03:07

Kemal Saumtally kemalsau@hotmail.com

It seems that one's looking at Star Wars. Bush playing the role of Darth Vador.
What are they up to concerning Syria? God will definitely ONE DAY TAKE CARE of themselves. Iraq was a bullshit war, as anyone can confirm this. Look how many innocent lives taken by now. How long will this continue?

Something Big 06.Nov.2003 03:59

Agent E

Definitely something is up out there, a whole unit just shipped out of my local area and their destionation was said to be a matter of national security therefore was not mentioned. We had the spectacle of Men and Women saying goodbye to their families not even being able to tell them their general destination. Don't take your eye off the ball comrades. Remember summer 2001, what did we hear about here in the US? Chandra Levy and Gary Condit. Meanwhile Bush and Co. were positioning a strike force for Afganistan. So, while Kobe, and Laci Peterson and troubles in Iraq are taking our attention where are Bush and Co. going to now? Little reports like this were made during Summer 2001 and we ignored them then but we won't again.

If you want to defeat the illuminati you have to posses the quality they fear the most and that is unconditional love. With love in your heart you will never be defeated. Love yourself, Love one another and Love your enemy.

Peave and Love to you all.

 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
 http://www.veritastruth.com

TAKE ME OFF YOUR COTTON-PICKIN LIST 06.Nov.2003 05:50

lanocox, New Orleans, LA

I strongly resent unsolicited pop-ups burning through my filters. I did not solicit your newsletter nor do I care to read your babble. These comments from a Southern Democrat.

Southern Demorat 06.Nov.2003 07:01

George Wallace

Hey Southern Dixiecrat...er Democrat, what the hell are you talking about? Indymedia does not have a mailing list. You are ranting and raving to the wrong people.

Anyway, like other people have been saying, keep your eyes and ears open for yet another American CIA or US military sponsored "terrorist" attack soon--just like 9-11.

Those "terorists" hate our freedoms, doncha know?!

money for Iraq, death for americans. 06.Nov.2003 09:49

max955

87 billion to go Iraq, 55 million AMERICANS can't afford to go to the doctor when they are sick. Now, that is sick Sheets of plywood cost how much because it is being sent to Iraq. Another slap in AMERICAN'S faces. That will effect our economy as much as being raped on oil prices. If no one is building houses, no one is buying sinks and piping and light fixtures and dishwashers........... I have come to the conclusion that being American gives everyone license to rape us, repeatedly. I would say that, upon reading this thread, it's time we were rid of this administration. It's a year till election, so until then, get on the phone the mail the email to your congressmen, and voice your opinion. The letters to the editor column. Whatever. Get the word out to lose the current administration. Elect freedom. Elect America for, by, and of the people. Elect Freedom. Elect Howard Dean. Elect Homer Simpson. Just Elect Freedom.

Push Bush Out 06.Nov.2003 16:19

IMA Fighting

There are those of us in the US, who are fighting as hard as we can, to get rid of Bush. We are as appalled at his Facist actions as the rest of the world. We cringe every day we hear more Americans were killed in Iraq (not counting all the Iraqis who have and who continue to die). We are sorry that the entire world looks at US as a Tyrant.


I would ask every single one of you out there in the US or abroad - even if it is only $5. - send money to the DNC.org to combat his bankroll of $90 million dollars in his campaign fund. We must get the message out to those American voters - who are totally unaware of the deception going on.

Please don't hate us all.

talking about the weather 06.Nov.2003 19:51

weather man

A theory was proposed, that somehow the US can control the weather. There was this nutty (at his time) professor, Nikola Tesla, the guy who invented the AC current, who had an idea about building a tower so he could get electricity from the earth's electric field. The plan was torpedoed and abandoned, as this would solve all energy problems, with too little money. When he was experimenting tho, with sending electricity back and forth, sky-earth, he found out that he could manipulate weather, and make prognosis on earthquakes. These efforts were relatively crude of course, but his writtings, designs, and so on, were indeed taken by the US govt. It is said that the russians (soviets?) have already mastered this technology. A couple of years ago, I've heard that the US was building this tower, and that it would be finished this summer, or one year back (not sure). As for controlling the weather, it is fairly known that maybe the hardest computing job is predicting the weather. So, if someone wants to play with storms, that person should better be sure where such a force would go, once it would be unleashed.

reply to weather man 06.Nov.2003 20:11

just me

Yes, weather man, what you say is TRUE! If ya want to know more about the project, which is in existence and is
operational in Alaska, then do a Google on Dr. Nick Begich. He is the son of the late-Congressman that was in
the plane crash that killed Con. Hale Boggs, a member of the Warren Commission that desented on the lone nut
theory. They died in 1972. Begish's son grew up to become a physician and publisher/author/investigator that is
owner of Earthpulse Publishing, I think. The project that is controversial is H.A.A.R.P and his book is "Angels Don't
play this H.A.A.R.P." Hope this gets you on the track to more knowledge on the matter.

SOLUTION 07.Nov.2003 04:38

Runningwithscissors runningwithscissors@musician.org

I'm beginning to feel as though we are headed for a revolution. Everyone, solar energy is the way to go. Leave most of it in DC form. Just convert enough AC to run your computers and any other digital gadgets you absolutely CANNOT live without. Go buy some land somewhere outside the city, and get as many people to join you on your land as you can. Then find a way to find EVERYONE ELSE doing exactly what you are doing and build a network. Trends set. Remember, wealth is not in the items beside you but somewhere inside that which carries it there.

ART TALKS 07.Nov.2003 12:34

Xary Mistwas

it is the obligation of an artist to contribute through his/her art, and within each, and about, a capacity to take a stand. no words can say if you try, but if you say what no one dare say, it must come from the core of your existence.
leave aside politics, religion, opinions about things.
art not being an opinnion , but a reflection of essence.
it takes millions of pedals for a nice good drop on rose essence.
to find the essence of you, is the task at hand.
when it speaks ye shall listen.

Paranoid fascists 07.Nov.2003 17:37

Zarqui

Most of us know that the USeAm administration will do whatever that is in their power to impliment their fascist policies, and 'lie their guts out' to cover up their evil.

I propose the USeAm coalition is willing to do anything to set the world according to USeAm policy, before the planet is reformed to God's Policy. Whereever the anti-Christ can create difficulties, it has.

That is why USeAm would not sign a 'non aggression pact' with North Korea; that is why USeAm is interferring in the efforts to bring about jsutice and peace for the Palestinians; that is why USeAm invaded Iraq (alleged) even though to a reasonable person who has only the details that have been provided by the media, there appears to have been other options oops But those options would have proved there are no WMD.

Those elitist parasites at the Vatican are cowaring behind the anti-Christ, and stand in contempt of the rest of the world by not denouncing the murderous USeAm regime.

Who is it here that is evil? Those same liars who use all sorts of adjectives attached to the name of anybody who does not accept the values of their pathetic obsession with themselves.
Megalomanian trash. Woe to the world because of dictators like those of the 'coalition of the killing', and the gutless usurpers who remain publicly silent about the terrorist oppressors.

If you think I am fedup, you are correct. And suspect I am amongst billions on the planet who have learned that the United States of America and its supporters are worthy of being loathed.


latest 07.Nov.2003 23:19

5

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,959704,00.html

Saudi and US officials last night issued stark warnings that further potentially devastating terrorist attacks on American soil and against western interests in the Middle East were likely.
In an unusually frank exchange with foreign reporters, the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, said he feared another "big" attack was imminent in either his country or the US. Prince Bandar immediately returned to Riyadh after the series of bombs that tore through western housing complexes last week killing 34 people, including eight Americans and one Briton.

"There is chatter, a high level of chatter regionally and in other international spots" that something could happen, he said, referring to monitored communications over the internet. "My gut feeling is that something big is going to happen here or in America."

Terror Alert 08.Nov.2003 06:40

zc

The terror alerts are cover for CIA/Mossad to commit new and bigger terror attack to enrage american and justify invading of Syria. I call on all people around the world to report observations relating to the US millitary movement.

Where Conspiracy and theory meet 08.Nov.2003 13:05

RadmnX

 http://www.thefourreasons.org/news_and_information.htm

Connect the Dots
Al-Qa'ida Website Issues Ramadan Warning of Imminent Attacks:  link to www.jihadunspun.net
Massive Movement of American Warplanes Takes Place in Scotland:  http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/365/11220_pentagon.html
US on alert for cargo plane attack:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3252633.stm
U.S. Sees Imminent Attacks in Saudi Arabia, Shuts Embassy:  link to story.news.yahoo.com
Rebuilding America's Defenses :  http://www.thefourreasons.org/PNAC/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm :  http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm


Cargo Plane missing in Africa 08.Nov.2003 15:58

Lunar Module

Missing jet linked to terrorism
23/06/2003 22:52 - (SA)

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Johanensburg - Two men climbed aboard a 727 cargo jet in Angola last month and disappeared into the African sky without a trace, prompting a continent wide search and questions about how a plane so large could just vanish.

US investigators and civil aviation officials in Africa said the disappearance was probably criminal in nature, but they have not ruled out a link to terrorism with the jetliner that was converted into a fuel tanker.

"There is no particular information suggesting that the disappearance of the aircraft is linked to terrorists or terrorism, but it's still something that obviously we would like to get to the bottom of," said state department spokesperson Philip T Reeker.

US officials speaking on condition of anonymity said a variety of investigative and intelligence-gathering methods are being used in the search. But they declined to provide details.

But experts said even in the age of satellites and other high-tech search methods, all that is needed is a new coat of paint and a stolen registration number to make tracking the plane near impossible.

"Let's assume (the pilot) did arrive in some place like Nigeria ... a couple of thousand of dollars changed hands and the aircraft is put in a hanger. The chances it is seen before satellites get a chance are zip," said Chris Yates, the Jane's Aviation and Security editor in a phone interview from London.

"It's happened before in African aviation," he said.

Desolate terrain

The plane, with tail number N844AA, left Luanda airport on May 25. The transponder was turned off so the plane was not tracked by air traffic control, US officials said.

Over Africa's vast and often desolate terrain, tracking by radar is problematic at best.

"We are mystified to as to where (the plane) might have gone," said Richard Cornwell, a senior researcher at the Pretoria-based Institute for Security Studies.

But Cornwell said if someone wanted to hide a plane, Africa would be the place to do it. Radar in the African skies is often "nonexistent" he said.

"Pilots talk about flying the gauntlet between South Africa and North Africa. There is no (air) control, even on commercial levels."

In the shadow of the September 11, fears of airborne attacks remain high.

Last month US authorities said they uncovered an al-Qaeda plot to crash an explosives-laden small aircraft into the American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan.

The US Homeland Security department issued an advisory stating al-Qaeda had a "fixation" on using aircraft in attacks.

The plane's conversion to a tanker has added to the worries.

"If you fill that up with however many gallons of jet air fuel and stick a couple of suicide pilots on, it doesn't take Einstein to figure out you could fly into an American or British embassy or another target they want to strike against. It could be a huge bomb," said Yates.

Insurance dispute

US analysts, however, believe the plane was taken by some criminal venture or in some business or insurance dispute. It is also possible it crashed. According to media reports, it's last radio contact asked for landing permission in the Seychelles, but it never arrived.

US Federal Aviation Association records show the aircraft - formerly owned by American Airlines - was most recently owned by Aerospace Sales and Leasing Company Inc of Miami, Florida.

The company's listed phone number in Miami has been disconnected.

The family of 51-year-old Ben Padilla who presented himself to Angolan Civil Aviation authorities as the representative of the plane's owner was seen boarding the plane along with another man shortly before the plane took off May 25, Angolan aviation officials said.

According to his family in Florida, he was hired to repossess the plane after Air Angola failed to make lease payments.

His sister, Benita Padilla-Kirkland, told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel newspaper she feared the plane had crashed or that he is being held against his will.

Helder Preza, director of Angola's civil aviation authority, told The Associated Press that the plane had been grounded for about a year because it lacked proper documentation verifying its legal conversion to a tanker.

He said Padilla approached authorities a month before the plane disappeared, saying the owner wanted to take the plane out of Angola.

Maintenance

"We said no problem," Preza said, as long as he could pay $50 000 in duties for the aircraft for the year it sat in Angola and that he could provide proof Air Angola approved.

In the meantime, Padilla asked airport authorities in Luanda to do maintenance on the plane.

Preza said it was it was during the maintenance process that Padilla or another man started the engines and then flew the plane away.

Air Angola, an airline reportedly owned by army officials, has been in financial distress since the signing of peace accords last year that ended 25 years of civil war. Peace brought an end to lucrative contracts for wartime transportation.

The airline also has some links to shadowy figures in the world of arms running, Yates said.

In the past the airline has bought planes from companies partially owned by Victor Bout, an alleged Russian arms dealer accused by Belgian authorities of shipping weapons to the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Bout, a former Soviet air force officer turned international businessman, denies that he had been involved in smuggling weapons to al-Qaeda although he ran cargo flights to Afghanistan during the rule of the Taliban. According to UN investigators, his air cargo empire, built on old Soviet aircraft, violated United Nations arms embargoes and delivered weapons to rebels in Sierra Leone, Congo, Angola and Rwanda.

"There is no strong evidence that there is a connection," Yates said. "But it seems with the Air Angola connection and knowledge of illegal activities across Africa, it's entirely possible there is some sort of tie."

Phone calls to the Air Angola office in Luanda were not answered. - Sapa-AP


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missing plane, staged terror, forthcoming attack 08.Nov.2003 16:35

scotbot

I had completely forgotten about the so-called missing plane from Angola. At the time of its dissppearance I thought it was just a piece of dirty disinformation from the NWO establishment, designed to get us all terrified at the prospect of an attack than from an attack itself.

However, now that it's been announced that there could be a terror attack using a cargo plane on installations in the US, I'm not so sure.

It seems we've all been duped yet again and that there's been a major plan in place to use a cargo plane in some attack, not just to make us believe there might be one. The earlier alleged "dissappearance" of the Angolan plane was merely to condition us into accepting the government line of the next attack. If an attack occurs, it must have involved the Angolan plane they'll say, forcing us into more curtailments of our freedoms.

Furthermore, if the flights of US C5 transporters over Scotland are to be believed, then it is equally believable that the US government must know an attack is actually coming and that they're preparing a devastating response. Not only that, but we can also surmise that they may themselves be involved in setting up the terror act, if only to keep up the terror pretence, never mind the next phase in the PNAC plan for control of the Middle East and it's oil reserves.

Given the Angolan story, this latest announcement and the latest bombings in Saudi Arabia, then I'm confident that something more disastrous is in the offing. And just as before, it is completely avoidable, if it's already been planned and given the go ahead by high-ranking NWO orderlies.

We'll see what transpires. But know this, there's something exceedingly fishy about the latest twist in this terror war ... er ... i mean war on terror.

the cosmic clock is nearing it's alarm buzzing...SOONER THAN YOU THINK! 08.Nov.2003 17:08

Merlin

With the last few comments, I'm drawn back to my previous posting of the other day, in which I told of the rare significance of this very date the cosmic clock has brought us to. As I now write, there is a Total Lunar Eclipse in process, and as well, a very rare planitary alignment known as the Grand Sextile Planitary Alignment. It last occurred some 6,000 years ago, and was the basis for the setting of the Kabalist (ancient Jewish) Calendar. It aligns 6 of our nearest planets into a configuation closely resembling the Star of David with Earth at center. Due to the rapid movement of the planets in their respective orbits, this lasts only a short time. It is of MAJOR importance to the whole cast of Secret Societies that are in the world's woodwork, like termits, eating away at the core of our foundations. This Eclipse of the Moon--especially as seen in the Middle East--will also be significant, in that it will be a "Blood Red Moon", which has always signified the beginning of violence, war, evil factions rising up and the commencement of a period of Cosmic Judgement for the wicked. Remember these events in the heavens, that are beginning to come into focus as I write, will take place on Sunday, November 9th in the Middle East. That is 11-9, and this is, as you know, the reverse of 9-11. Those into numerology, such as these Secret Societies that seek to finally rule the world in totality, always reverse the numbers when bringing "follow-up" events to their intended audiences....now, the world-at-large. My look in the Crystal Ball tells me that very soon we will be getting "breaking news" that the long lost plane mentioned in above posting will have made it's appearance known by slamming itself into the American facilities in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The facilities housing the American Consul General's Office were once the Embassy till it was relocated to Riyadh. The loss of this facility will be of no major financial consequences, but rather, will be purely symbolic. Doubtful that any Americans will be killed, as they've all been warned to stay clear as per above postings. This long lost plane will be loaded, most likely, will all sorts of explosives, fuel, etc. so as to give maximum effect....giant fireball that light's the skies in big way. Currently, some 50 or so miles away is Mecca, and the mini-Hajj is underway with upwards to a million or more to participate. The major port of entry is Jeddah. They have new international airport north of city, with old airport in the city that is used primarily during the Hajj seasons to accomodate the increase in air traffic. Slighty to the south of the city is the American built and maintained King Faisal Naval Base, which houses all sorts of sophisticated radar and the like. My expectations are that this long lost plane will materialize somewhere in Sudan and make rapid run across the Red Sea and align itself for perfect run into the American facilities near to the open air space that faces the Red Sea. While it is enroute, some sort of "problem" will occur with the radar systems of the legitimate Saudi airports so as to jam their range overlaps so as to miss this incoming plane. Big Brother's radar system won't miss it though, but will do little effective to hault the flight. The flight will end as has been planned! This will all give the American's the justification to move into Saudi Arabia and "rescue" that collapsing regime there, and better secure the oil producing region for American hegemony. As with all things...to learn WHO is behind the events of this day, simply follow the money...where it leads, is WHO did it! So speakth Merlin. PS: before I clicked this for sending, I caught on the news that an explosion of some sort has hit in Riyadh. I think this is mere prelude to what is to come later in Jeddah. Anyone want to make a bet??????????????

American way of life - or die! 08.Nov.2003 18:19

old european

As Clinton lied, two people had fun.
The way of G. 00. is distroying lives.
Which is better and cheeper?

Bush is sickening. 08.Nov.2003 22:40

Robert Thornhill

If Bush attacks Syria or Iran, and these countries sit back like a bunch of wimps and don't fight the HitlerBush back, then I will be greatly disappointed. The sickening warmonger Bush must be stopped and any country aiding and assisting him is as guilty as he is! He is so stupid to not realize that his strafing and bombing is just compounding the problem in the Muslim world. His invasion of Iraq will ultimately set off World War III and most definitely draw other nations into a wider conflict very soon. No country can expect to assert it's will around the globe in such a belligerent manner as what Bush is doing with the U.S. and not expect resistance. This man must be stopped.

What Now??? 09.Nov.2003 06:30

SickkMann

What do I tell my children, will it be like the fall of the roman empire

New and final warning-tell me your arent scared 09.Nov.2003 09:15

Elvis Eleven

9 November 2003: (NEW)


A final warning to all of the Muslims in three sites inside the United States - Washington - New York - Los Angeles...
The hit from al Qaeda is inevitable.... the complete readiness for zero day God willing depart immediately...

Encoded Message (?):


All of the goals are open and the hour is 36 and 25 and 36, east of, west of, oblique, took place
By Allah in the name of and the praise Allah, and by God's blessing, ?, oh Allah pray you and greeted on Mohammad, ?, oh Allah aim the throw of the Al-Qaeda 97, ?, oh Allah repay the throw of the Al-Qaeda 67, ?, oh Allah repay the throw of the Al-Qaeda 87, ?, oh Allah he flooded the enemies with the waters and the volcanoes, to, oh Allah explode the cells of their heads oh Allah explode their eyes, 988888 oh Allah Amin is my receipt and greeted on Mohammad a governor Mohammad, ?, ??

the link 09.Nov.2003 09:16

Elvis Eleven


Interesting site, elvis! 09.Nov.2003 10:50

hank

So the year 1424 (2003 to ourselves) with lunar and solar eclipses is important to Islam . I knew nothing of that. Now it's implied there that we're going to face a larger 'hit' as they call it than 911 during the month of Ramadan. I'd read of missing Soviet-era backpack nukes in 1997 and a shock it was too! I'd read an Al Jazhera interview last year with an Al Qaeda member that claimed nukes were already inserted (it was yanked as a hoax, and it may WELL have been - why insert and not use?). I'd read that Ramadan is from Oct 28(?) to Nov 28(?) - not sure of the PRECISE dates. Below from elvis' site:

Is it possible to deny that al Qaeda network have inserted nuclear weapons into America ..Then it is

known that in the Russian republics that many nuclear weapons have disappeared

a special Merlin Update 09.Nov.2003 13:02

Merlin

IN FURTHERANCE TO MY PREVIOUS POSTING, I SHALL REPOST THIS>>>> Senator Says U.S. Intelligence Feels More Attacks Probable By William C. Mann Associated Press Writer Published: Nov 9, 2003 WASHINGTON (AP) - Intelligence officials in Washington warned lawmakers a week ago to expect a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia, and other strikes like the Riyadh bombing probably are in the works in the kingdom or elsewhere, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said Sunday. Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said he agreed with the Saudi authorities that Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network was responsible for Saturday's blast, which killed at least 11 people, mainly expatriate contract workers. State Department spokeswoman Amanda Batt said an undetermined number of Americans were among the more than 120 wounded, although she said none of the Americans was hurt seriously. FBI spokeswoman Michelle Palmer said she had no information about whether the bureau has been asked to help in the investigation or would send agents to Riyadh. An announcement on the Web site of the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh said the embassy and consulates in Jeddah and Dharan would remain closed indefinitely because of the bombing. "Embassy personnel and their dependents in Riyadh are restricting their movements to the Diplomatic Quarter" in the city, the announcement said. Roberts said on "Fox News Sunday" that said his committee was briefed about a week ago about the likelihood of an attack in Saudi Arabia. "That's happened," Roberts said. "It signals to that family over there, the Saud family, that they are ... a target of terrorism." Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., a presidential candidate, agreed and said the Saudis' problem is made more dangerous to the United States by what he said was the Bush administration's lack of a long-term energy policy. A Gephardt administration, he said, would wean the U.S. economy from Middle Eastern oil within 10 years, through an energy program he calls "Apollo 21." He gave no details. The Al Saud monarchy has ruled Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the Arabs and of Islam, since the 1930s under the strict fundamentalist Wahhabi sect. Bin Laden, a Saudi-born multimillionaire fugitive from the Saudi government, has been a sworn enemy of the government, especially since it allowed U.S. troops to establish a large presence in the kingdom in the early 1990s. The Americans withdrew in August in the aftermath of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. The Riyadh attack was in a compound in which most of the residents were Arab and Muslim. It indicates, Roberts said, "that terrorists really don't care who they attack. It's just another example of the global war on terrorism and why this is going to be a long effort." Asked about other possible attacks, Roberts said: "I don't think there's any question about it that. ... They're going to be very global in nature. We had an indication that something could happen in this country ... and that's why we withdrew our people from the embassy." Despite the tension in Saudi Arabia, the State Department has made no decision to evacuate American diplomats or dependents ANYONE WANT TO PLACE A BET THAT SOMETHING WILL NOT YET HAPPEN IN JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA? I FIRMLY BELIEVE SOMETHING HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT INTO MOTION AND WE YET AWAIT IT'S HAPPENING! THIS IS THEIR WAY! NO CRYSTAL BALL IS NEEDED TO PROGNOSTICATE ANY OF THIS...JUST A FUNCTIONING BRAIN WILL DO!

newer message 09.Nov.2003 14:10

Elvis Eleven

9 November 2003: (NEW): 1530 EST




1. 09-11-2003 20:45      (Mecca Time)


Message Found......

To all coasts cells 50, 55, 55, the water, the water, the water
The goal open, they rely on Allah

2. Tomorrow O Bush is your date .. MORE



I live in l.a.

good time for a vacation? 10.Nov.2003 06:38

hank

Hmmm, so you live inside LA? Might be a good time for a vacation?

a bit more info 10.Nov.2003 12:15

hank

Terrorist alert issued: 11-3-03* between lunar eclipse of Nov. 9th and solar eclipse of Nov. 23

Source was:  http://www.stevequayle.com/

Warning appeared August 29, 2003, why now? 10.Nov.2003 19:54

zc

The warning message of nuke attack from
 link to www.hagmannpi.com
actually appeared in  http://www.alshaab.com/GIF/29-08-2003/n3.htm.
Clearly the message was up since August 29, 2003, why until now it stirs up so much noise?
Can anyone understand Arabic and let us know what is in the alshaab.com message?
Can this be disinformation from those other than arab?

Kristallnacht 2003: Attack on the Al-Aqsa Mosque 10.Nov.2003 22:27

k-man

11 November 2003; 1245 EST: Network analysts Joclyn Ross and "Patriot" have uncovered what appears to be the "precursor event" that will surely be the start terrorist activities beginning in the Middle East and the United States. In a plan reminiscent of and designed after Kristalnacht (night of broken glass) that propelled the Nazi Party to power before WWII, al Qaeda terrorists appear to be in the "execution phase" of destroying "their own" Mosque. The current and most recent political and religious issues regarding the Mosque notwithstanding, the attack on and the potential destruction of this significant Muslim shrine is designed to enrage Muslims worldwide. The plot to destroy the Mosque by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists, then placing the blame on the "Zionists and the Americans", if not stopped in time, will be the platform from which all further retaliatory strikes will be made. This is THE event that has been referenced in a number of sermons, jihad posts, and other channels of communication that will mark the call to jihad in the United States.
Based on a thorough and comprehensive evaluation of all of the evidence, thousands of communications, and numerous other sources, it would appear that an attack and the likely destruction of this Muslim sacred shrine is imminent. The appropriate federal authorities have been placed on notice; as of this writing, however, no response or even an acknowledgement has been received by this network Accordingly, we are presenting this evidence to the public forthwith. Selected supporting information is offered below.

Evidence obtained by Network Analysts Jaclyn Ross & Patriot

--Douglas J. Hagmann, Network Director

LINK:  http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm

Re: Kristallnacht 2003: Attack on the Al-Aqsa Mosque 11.Nov.2003 03:33

=American=

This is a long one to be sure. It is presented as a "what if scenario" and for informational purposes only. Prelude to Terror http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm '...11 November 2003; 1245 EST: Network analysts Joclyn Ross and "Patriot" have uncovered what appears to be the "precursor event" that will surely be the start terrorist activities beginning in the Middle East and the United States....' al Qaeda's Plan to Incite Islamic fundamentalists Against the US http://www.hagmannpi.com/Saudi%20Arabia.htm '...First Riyadh (although evidence suggests that the timing of the attack was premature)... next the al Aqsa Mosque. It appears that a chain of events is taking place-one that eerily resembles the Nazi war tactic "Kristallnacht" (night of broken glass) that ushered in the Nazi party and incited the Germans against the Jews....' Here's a thought... Ok. Ask yourself, "qui bono"? Who benefits? Who has the most to gain from destroying the al Aqsa mosque? (dome of the rock on temple mount in Jerusalem) On the one hand, the Muslims could go ahead and blow their third holiest shrine and blame it on the Americans and Israelis ala Kristallnacht (night of broken glass) and generate world wide support from Muslims to go to Jihad. There are a few things that come to mind though. The short term goal of blaming others to suit their political/religious ends would be the only gain. Granted it would be a huge gain for their ultimate goal to be sure. To create a Muslim world and in the process ridding it of Jews and Christians. Do you really think radical fundamental Muslims would really blow up the third most holy shrine to this end. I do not know a lot about this particular religion, but from what little I do understand, this doesn't seem remotely likely due to their rigidity in practicing the Muslim faith. Alah most certainly would not permit them to do so. Most certainly not just for a reason to create a pretext for destruction of the infidels. Again that is the opinion of a lay person in this area. On the other hand... What if this was a false flag operation by one of the groups that would be held responsible (Israel/Mossad) for destroying the Dome of the Rock? Again ask, "qui bono"? Who benefits? Who has the most to gain from destroying the al Aqsa Mosque? Israel/Mossad has quite a few more compelling reasons to fake an al Qaeda terror event in destroying the al Aqsa Mosque. Here are a few... (Suspend disbelief for a second and assume that this page ( http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) describing this al Qaeda plot to blow up the Dome of the Rock is really a Mossad false flag operation made to look like it is an al Qaeda plot. I know it's a stretch but hey....what if...?) Remember the Mossad motto: 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war' First, by destroying the al Aqsa Mosque as an al Qaeda plot described here ( http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) that was then blamed on America and Israel, would unify Muslims around the world to attack Jews and Christians. This in turn would allow Israel to take the gloves off and use it's not talked about nuclear arsenal on neighboring Arab countries and it would also illicit a more sever commitment from America to destroy the Muslim aggressors. So Israel would be the REAL benefactor from such an act of a supposed al Qaeda plot to destroying the al Aqsa Mosque as stated on the above mentioned website just as Israel was a MAJOR benefactor of 9-11 in a similar fashion. Second, Israel would after such an event then have TOTAL control of the site where the Dome of the Rock stood called the Temple Mount by the Jews. Now if you know anything about Jewish religion or history, you would know that this is the MOST sacred spot on earth for the Jews. To piss of the Jews, the Muslims built the Dome of the Rock on this most holy ground of the Jews. The Temple Mount. This is the sacred location of the first and second Temples of the Jews. In order to fulfill Hebrew prophesy of the coming Messiah among other things which MUST come to pass, a third Temple needs to be built. Where? You guessed it, right where the Dome of the Rock sits. So...another HUGE reason for the destruction of this Muslim shrine! Interesting read on an Israeli group thats mission is the building of the Third Temple in our lifetime to herald the Messiah, called "The Temple Mount Faithful": http://templemountfaithful.org The goal of the Temple Mount Faithful is the building of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in our lifetime in accordance with the Word of G-d and all the Hebrew prophets and the liberation of the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation so that it may be consecrated to the Name of G-d. This historical major event will one day be recorded in history as an important stage before the rebuilding of the endtime Temple. This godly event was undertaken by the Temple Mount Faithful Movement. Here are a few recent news stories which give credence to the notion of Israel/Mossad involvement in the "terrorist" attacks of late and more information pointing to Israel not being up front and truthful with her allies (United States) about what her real aims are and also illustrate that they are not beyond masquerading as terrorists to meet their goals: A Reuters report ( http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=GIQ5RCFNBR5SECRBAELCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=3784425 ) states that '...Saudi Arabia has been under pressure to act against al Qaeda since the attacks on U.S. cities on September 11, 2001. Most of the attackers were Saudis and al Qaeda is widely held responsible. ...' Wasn't Bali and the Philippines under the same pressure and wasn't it convenient for al Qaeda to have committed a terrorist act just in time for western influences to apply more pressure? Here is another interesting read: http://www.wwviews.com/articles/101103/riyadh.html '...The western media wants us to believe that Al Qaeda has now decided to kill its own, on its own land. This is akin to the IRA planting bombs in Dublin city center, to kill Irish people. Or for the Palestinians to send a suicide bomber to Arafats compound in Ramallah. Its simply not done. Al-Qaeda is at the same time sold to the West as an 'Islamic' terrorist group. And it is at the same time expected to have killed other Muslims, during the holiest month of the Islamic calender. There are many compounds in Saudi, but those that house 'real foreigners' are guarded with military tanks. This one wasn't because it housed Arabs and other Muslims. These are NOT Al Qaeda targets. But we are told Al Qaeda must have done this. Why would they do that? They quite simply wouldn't....' Isn't it interesting that the Mossad is trying to start a false flag al Qaeda operation in Palestine to justify their continued land grab? How outlandish is it that Israel/Mossad may actually try and create another false flag operation posing as al Qaeda to blow up the al Aqsa Mosque? Read on here from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2550513.stm Israel 'faked al-Qaeda presence' '...Colonel Rashid Abu-Shbak, the Palestinian head of preventative security, said eight Palestinians had been approached from outside Gaza, and had been asked by Israeli agents to work for al-Qaeda with offers of money and weapons. Colonel Abu-Shbak said the first approaches were made in March this year, and that all communications had been traced back to Israeli intelligence....' More on this here: What if ALL of al-Qaeda is a Mossad Op? http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg107666.html '...The security chief said his services had traced back to Israel cellphone calls and e-mails in which Palestinians were asked to join Al-Qaeda....' And here: Mossad Exposed In Phony 'Palestinian Al Qaeda' Caper http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1572495.php '...The United States government has been provided with concrete evidence that the Israeli Mossad and other Israeli intelligence services have been involved in a 13-month effort to "recruit" an Israeli-run, phony "al Qaeda cell" among Palestinians, so that Israel could achieve a frontline position in the U.S. war against terrorism and get a green light for a worldwide "revenge without borders" policy. The question: Does the United States have the moral fiber to investigate? ...' Since significant circumstantial evidence points to a connection with Israel creating phoney al Qaeda, one might think it would be investigated thoroughly. But, of course, such an investigation is precluded by the "anti-Semitic" taboo. Note that this whole story is much too dangerous for the American media and any investigative reporter to handle and mainstream media squashes most of these stories when they surface. Did you know that there is a MASSIVE Israeli spy ring operating RIGHT HERE in the United States at the highest levels RIGHT NOW? Read about it here: THE ISRAELI SPY RING SCANDAL - The Story That Will Not Go Away http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html '...Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year....' Ok...so what does all of this mean? To me it seems to mean that there is an agenda that is not all together clear involving Is reals need to dominate the middle east at the cost of all non-Israelis and unknown to the United States. Yes that includes Americans. And if NYC gets nuked because of their aim which has sucked the U.S. into this vortex of religious hatred, well...let's just say I won't be too happy about it. All of this info presented is food for thought on the possibility that this so called "The Target: al Aqsa Mosque..." plot is to come to pass. If it does happen as this "Northeast Intelligence Network" website ( http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) claims then what if...?

Re: Kristallnacht 2003: Attack on the Al-Aqsa Mosque 11.Nov.2003 03:39

=American=

This is a long one to be sure. It is presented as a "what if scenario" and for informational purposes only. Read the info on the first 2 links then return to read my diatribe.

Prelude to Terror
 http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm

'...11 November 2003; 1245 EST: Network analysts Joclyn Ross and "Patriot" have uncovered what appears to be the "precursor event" that will surely be the start terrorist activities beginning in the Middle East and the United States....'

al Qaeda's Plan to Incite Islamic fundamentalists Against the US
 http://www.hagmannpi.com/Saudi%20Arabia.htm

'...First Riyadh (although evidence suggests that the timing of the attack was premature)... next the al Aqsa Mosque. It appears that a chain of events is taking place-one that eerily resembles the Nazi war tactic "Kristallnacht" (night of broken glass) that ushered in the Nazi party and incited the Germans against the Jews....'


Here's a thought...

Ok. Ask yourself, "qui bono"? Who benefits? Who has the most to gain from destroying the al Aqsa mosque? (dome of the rock on temple mount in Jerusalem)

On the one hand, the Muslims could go ahead and blow their third holiest shrine and blame it on the Americans and Israelis ala Kristallnacht (night of broken glass) and generate world wide support from Muslims to go to Jihad. There are a few things that come to mind though. The short term goal of blaming others to suit their political/religious ends would be the only gain. Granted it would be a huge gain for their ultimate goal to be sure. To create a Muslim world and in the process ridding it of Jews and Christians. Do you really think radical fundamental Muslims would really blow up the third most holy shrine to this end. I do not know a lot about this particular religion, but from what little I do understand, this doesn't seem remotely likely due to their rigidity in practicing the Muslim faith. Alah most certainly would not permit them to do so. Most certainly not just for a reason to create a pretext for destruction of the infidels. Again that is the opinion of a lay person in this area.

On the other hand... What if this was a false flag operation by one of the groups that would be held responsible (Israel/Mossad) for destroying the Dome of the Rock? Again ask, "qui bono"? Who benefits? Who has the most to gain from destroying the al Aqsa Mosque?

Israel/Mossad has quite a few more compelling reasons to fake an al Qaeda terror event in destroying the al Aqsa Mosque.

Here are a few...
(Suspend disbelief for a second and assume that this page (  http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) describing this al Qaeda plot to blow up the Dome of the Rock is really a Mossad false flag operation made to look like it is an al Qaeda plot. I know it's a stretch but hey....what if...?)

Remember the Mossad motto: 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war'

First, by destroying the al Aqsa Mosque as an al Qaeda plot described here (  http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) that was then blamed on America and Israel, would unify Muslims around the world to attack Jews and Christians. This in turn would allow Israel to take the gloves off and use it's not talked about nuclear arsenal on neighboring Arab countries and it would also illicit a more sever commitment from America to destroy the Muslim aggressors. So Israel would be the REAL benefactor from such an act of a supposed al Qaeda plot to destroying the al Aqsa Mosque as stated on the above mentioned website just as Israel was a MAJOR benefactor of 9-11 in a similar fashion.

Second, Israel would after such an event then have TOTAL control of the site where the Dome of the Rock stood called the Temple Mount by the Jews. Now if you know anything about Jewish religion or history, you would know that this is the MOST sacred spot on earth for the Jews. To piss of the Jews, the Muslims built the Dome of the Rock on this most holy ground of the Jews. The Temple Mount. This is the sacred location of the first and second Temples of the Jews. In order to fulfill Hebrew prophesy of the coming Messiah among other things which MUST come to pass, a third Temple needs to be built. Where? You guessed it, right where the Dome of the Rock sits. So...another HUGE reason for the destruction of this Muslim shrine!


Interesting read on an Israeli group thats mission is the building of the Third Temple in our lifetime to herald the Messiah, called "The Temple Mount Faithful":
 http://templemountfaithful.org

The goal of the Temple Mount Faithful is the building of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in our lifetime in accordance with the Word of G-d and all the Hebrew prophets and the liberation of the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation so that it may be consecrated to the Name of G-d.

This historical major event will one day be recorded in history as an important stage before the rebuilding of the endtime Temple. This godly event was undertaken by the Temple Mount Faithful Movement.



Here are a few recent news stories which give credence to the notion of Israel/Mossad involvement in the "terrorist" attacks of late and more information pointing to Israel not being up front and truthful with her allies (United States) about what her real aims are and also illustrate that they are not beyond masquerading as terrorists to meet their goals:


A Reuters report (  link to www.reuters.com ) states that '...Saudi Arabia has been under pressure to act against al Qaeda since the attacks on U.S. cities on September 11, 2001. Most of the attackers were Saudis and al Qaeda is widely held responsible. ...'


Wasn't Bali and the Philippines under the same pressure and wasn't it convenient for al Qaeda to have committed a terrorist act just in time for western influences to apply more pressure?


Here is another interesting read:
 http://www.wwviews.com/articles/101103/riyadh.html

'...The western media wants us to believe that Al Qaeda has now decided to kill its own, on its own land.

This is akin to the IRA planting bombs in Dublin city center, to kill Irish people. Or for the Palestinians to send a suicide bomber to Arafats compound in Ramallah. Its simply not done.

Al-Qaeda is at the same time sold to the West as an 'Islamic' terrorist group. And it is at the same time expected to have killed other Muslims, during the holiest month of the Islamic calender. There are many compounds in Saudi, but those that house 'real foreigners' are guarded with military tanks. This one wasn't because it housed Arabs and other Muslims. These are NOT Al Qaeda targets. But we are told Al Qaeda must have done this.

Why would they do that? They quite simply wouldn't....'


Isn't it interesting that the Mossad is trying to start a false flag al Qaeda operation in Palestine to justify their continued land grab? How outlandish is it that Israel/Mossad may actually try and create another false flag operation posing as al Qaeda to blow up the al Aqsa Mosque?


Read on here from the BBC:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2550513.stm

Israel 'faked al-Qaeda presence'

'...Colonel Rashid Abu-Shbak, the Palestinian head of preventative security, said eight Palestinians had been approached from outside Gaza, and had been asked by Israeli agents to work for al-Qaeda with offers of money and weapons.

Colonel Abu-Shbak said the first approaches were made in March this year, and that all communications had been traced back to Israeli intelligence....'


More on this here:

What if ALL of al-Qaeda is a Mossad Op?
 link to www.mail-archive.com/msg107666.html

'...The security chief said his services had traced back to Israel cellphone calls and e-mails in which Palestinians were asked to join Al-Qaeda....'


And here:

Mossad Exposed In Phony 'Palestinian Al Qaeda' Caper
 http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1572495.php

'...The United States government has been provided with concrete evidence that the Israeli Mossad and other Israeli intelligence services have been involved in a 13-month effort to "recruit" an Israeli-run, phony "al Qaeda cell" among Palestinians, so that Israel could achieve a frontline position in the U.S. war against terrorism and get a green light for a worldwide "revenge without borders" policy. The question: Does the United States have the moral fiber to investigate? ...'


Since significant circumstantial evidence points to a connection with Israel creating phoney al Qaeda, one might think it would be investigated thoroughly. But, of course, such an investigation is precluded by the "anti-Semitic" taboo. Note that this whole story is much too dangerous for the American media and any investigative reporter to handle and mainstream media squashes most of these stories when they surface.


Did you know that there is a MASSIVE Israeli spy ring operating RIGHT HERE in the United States at the highest levels RIGHT NOW?

Read about it here:

THE ISRAELI SPY RING SCANDAL - The Story That Will Not Go Away
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

'...Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year....'


Ok...so what does all of this mean? To me it seems to mean that there is an agenda that is not all together clear involving Is reals need to dominate the middle east at the cost of all non-Israelis and unknown to the United States. Yes that includes Americans. And if NYC gets nuked because of their aim which has sucked the U.S. into this vortex of religious hatred, well...let's just say I won't be too happy about it.

All of this info presented is food for thought on the possibility that this so called "The Target: al Aqsa Mosque..." plot is to come to pass. If it does happen as this "Northeast Intelligence Network" website (  http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) claims then what if...?

Re: Attack on the Al-Aqsa Mosque (try #2) 11.Nov.2003 03:49

-=American=-

This is a long one to be sure. It is presented as a "what if scenario" and for informational purposes only. Read the first 2 links pages and then read my diatribe.

Prelude to Terror
 http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm

'...11 November 2003; 1245 EST: Network analysts Joclyn Ross and "Patriot" have uncovered what appears to be the "precursor event" that will surely be the start terrorist activities beginning in the Middle East and the United States....'

al Qaeda's Plan to Incite Islamic fundamentalists Against the US
 http://www.hagmannpi.com/Saudi%20Arabia.htm

'...First Riyadh (although evidence suggests that the timing of the attack was premature)... next the al Aqsa Mosque. It appears that a chain of events is taking place-one that eerily resembles the Nazi war tactic "Kristallnacht" (night of broken glass) that ushered in the Nazi party and incited the Germans against the Jews....'


Here's a thought...

Ok. Ask yourself, "qui bono"? Who benefits? Who has the most to gain from destroying the al Aqsa mosque? (dome of the rock on temple mount in Jerusalem)

On the one hand, the Muslims could go ahead and blow their third holiest shrine and blame it on the Americans and Israelis ala Kristallnacht (night of broken glass) and generate world wide support from Muslims to go to Jihad. There are a few things that come to mind though. The short term goal of blaming others to suit their political/religious ends would be the only gain. Granted it would be a huge gain for their ultimate goal to be sure. To create a Muslim world and in the process ridding it of Jews and Christians. Do you really think radical fundamental Muslims would really blow up the third most holy shrine to this end. I do not know a lot about this particular religion, but from what little I do understand, this doesn't seem remotely likely due to their rigidity in practicing the Muslim faith. Alah most certainly would not permit them to do so. Most certainly not just for a reason to create a pretext for destruction of the infidels. Again that is the opinion of a lay person in this area.

On the other hand... What if this was a false flag operation by one of the groups that would be held responsible (Israel/Mossad) for destroying the Dome of the Rock? Again ask, "qui bono"? Who benefits? Who has the most to gain from destroying the al Aqsa Mosque?

Israel/Mossad has quite a few more compelling reasons to fake an al Qaeda terror event in destroying the al Aqsa Mosque.

Here are a few...
(Suspend disbelief for a second and assume that this page (  http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) describing this al Qaeda plot to blow up the Dome of the Rock is really a Mossad false flag operation made to look like it is an al Qaeda plot. I know it's a stretch but hey....what if...?)

Remember the Mossad motto: 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war'

First, by destroying the al Aqsa Mosque as an al Qaeda plot described here (  http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) that was then blamed on America and Israel, would unify Muslims around the world to attack Jews and Christians. This in turn would allow Israel to take the gloves off and use it's not talked about nuclear arsenal on neighboring Arab countries and it would also illicit a more sever commitment from America to destroy the Muslim aggressors. So Israel would be the REAL benefactor from such an act of a supposed al Qaeda plot to destroying the al Aqsa Mosque as stated on the above mentioned website just as Israel was a MAJOR benefactor of 9-11 in a similar fashion.

Second, Israel would after such an event then have TOTAL control of the site where the Dome of the Rock stood called the Temple Mount by the Jews. Now if you know anything about Jewish religion or history, you would know that this is the MOST sacred spot on earth for the Jews. To piss of the Jews, the Muslims built the Dome of the Rock on this most holy ground of the Jews. The Temple Mount. This is the sacred location of the first and second Temples of the Jews. In order to fulfill Hebrew prophesy of the coming Messiah among other things which MUST come to pass, a third Temple needs to be built. Where? You guessed it, right where the Dome of the Rock sits. So...another HUGE reason for the destruction of this Muslim shrine!


Interesting read on an Israeli group thats mission is the building of the Third Temple in our lifetime to herald the Messiah, called "The Temple Mount Faithful":
 http://templemountfaithful.org

The goal of the Temple Mount Faithful is the building of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in our lifetime in accordance with the Word of G-d and all the Hebrew prophets and the liberation of the Temple Mount from Arab (Islamic) occupation so that it may be consecrated to the Name of G-d.

This historical major event will one day be recorded in history as an important stage before the rebuilding of the endtime Temple. This godly event was undertaken by the Temple Mount Faithful Movement.



Here are a few recent news stories which give credence to the notion of Israel/Mossad involvement in the "terrorist" attacks of late and more information pointing to Israel not being up front and truthful with her allies (United States) about what her real aims are and also illustrate that they are not beyond masquerading as terrorists to meet their goals:


A Reuters report (  link to www.reuters.com ) states that '...Saudi Arabia has been under pressure to act against al Qaeda since the attacks on U.S. cities on September 11, 2001. Most of the attackers were Saudis and al Qaeda is widely held responsible. ...'


Wasn't Bali and the Philippines under the same pressure and wasn't it convenient for al Qaeda to have committed a terrorist act just in time for western influences to apply more pressure?


Here is another interesting read:
 http://www.wwviews.com/articles/101103/riyadh.html

'...The western media wants us to believe that Al Qaeda has now decided to kill its own, on its own land.

This is akin to the IRA planting bombs in Dublin city center, to kill Irish people. Or for the Palestinians to send a suicide bomber to Arafats compound in Ramallah. Its simply not done.

Al-Qaeda is at the same time sold to the West as an 'Islamic' terrorist group. And it is at the same time expected to have killed other Muslims, during the holiest month of the Islamic calender. There are many compounds in Saudi, but those that house 'real foreigners' are guarded with military tanks. This one wasn't because it housed Arabs and other Muslims. These are NOT Al Qaeda targets. But we are told Al Qaeda must have done this.

Why would they do that? They quite simply wouldn't....'


Isn't it interesting that the Mossad is trying to start a false flag al Qaeda operation in Palestine to justify their continued land grab? How outlandish is it that Israel/Mossad may actually try and create another false flag operation posing as al Qaeda to blow up the al Aqsa Mosque?


Read on here from the BBC:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2550513.stm

Israel 'faked al-Qaeda presence'

'...Colonel Rashid Abu-Shbak, the Palestinian head of preventative security, said eight Palestinians had been approached from outside Gaza, and had been asked by Israeli agents to work for al-Qaeda with offers of money and weapons.

Colonel Abu-Shbak said the first approaches were made in March this year, and that all communications had been traced back to Israeli intelligence....'


More on this here:

What if ALL of al-Qaeda is a Mossad Op?
 link to www.mail-archive.com/msg107666.html

'...The security chief said his services had traced back to Israel cellphone calls and e-mails in which Palestinians were asked to join Al-Qaeda....'


And here:

Mossad Exposed In Phony 'Palestinian Al Qaeda' Caper
 http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1572495.php

'...The United States government has been provided with concrete evidence that the Israeli Mossad and other Israeli intelligence services have been involved in a 13-month effort to "recruit" an Israeli-run, phony "al Qaeda cell" among Palestinians, so that Israel could achieve a frontline position in the U.S. war against terrorism and get a green light for a worldwide "revenge without borders" policy. The question: Does the United States have the moral fiber to investigate? ...'


Since significant circumstantial evidence points to a connection with Israel creating phoney al Qaeda, one might think it would be investigated thoroughly. But, of course, such an investigation is precluded by the "anti-Semitic" taboo. Note that this whole story is much too dangerous for the American media and any investigative reporter to handle and mainstream media squashes most of these stories when they surface.


Did you know that there is a MASSIVE Israeli spy ring operating RIGHT HERE in the United States at the highest levels RIGHT NOW?

Read about it here:

THE ISRAELI SPY RING SCANDAL - The Story That Will Not Go Away
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

'...Prior to 9/11, the FBI had discovered the presence of a massive spy ring inside the United States run by the government of Israel. This seems a harsh gratitude from a nation which obtains 10% of its annual budget from the American taxpayer, $3+ billion a year....'




Ok...so what does all of this mean? To me it seems to mean that there is an agenda that is not all together clear involving Is reals need to dominate the middle east at the cost of all non-Israelis and unknown to the United States. Yes that includes Americans. And if NYC gets nuked because of their aim which has sucked the U.S. into this vortex of religious hatred, well...let's just say I won't be too happy about it.

All of this info presented is food for thought on the possibility that this so called "The Target: al Aqsa Mosque..." plot is to come to pass. If it does happen as this "Northeast Intelligence Network" website (  http://www.hagmannpi.com/alaqsa.htm ) claims then what if...?

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Bush watch for the week of 10.11.03 - 14.11.03 11.Nov.2003 05:05

=American=

The interesting thing is that Bush will be back in Florida on 13.11.03, just like on 11.9.01.

So he will be out of town on 13.11.03 which is interesting if you subscribe to the date theory posted previously:

11.09.01 - WTC
12.10.02 - Bali
13.11.03 - NYC/DC/LA ?


 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...031107-8.html#6

From press briefing:

MR. McCLELLAN: Let me go through the week ahead. On Monday, November 10th, the President will participate in a Bush-Cheney 2004 luncheon in Little Rock, Arkansas, which was previously announced. Then he will participate in a conversation on the economy with employers and employees in Greer, South Carolina. Then he attends a Bush-Cheney reception in Greenville, South Carolina.

On Tuesday, November 11th, he participates in a wreath-laying ceremony at Arlington, Virginia. Then he'll make remarks on Veterans Day in Arlington, Virginia, to pay tribute to our veterans who have served and sacrificed in defense of freedom --to all our veterans who have served and sacrificed in the defense of freedom. Then he will make remarks at the Heritage Foundation President's Club luncheon at the Ronald Reagan Building International Trade Center.

On Wednesday, November 12th, the President participates in a photo opportunity with the new Environmental Protection Agency Administrator in the Oval Office. That will be stills. Then the President will present the Medal of Freedom to NATO Secretary General George Robertson in the Roosevelt Room. And then later in the day he will participate in a presentation of the National Medal of Arts Awards in the Oval Office.

Thursday, November 13th, he attends a Bush-Cheney 2004 luncheon in Buena Vista, Florida. Then he'll make remarks on Medicare in Florida. Then he attends a Bush-Cheney 2004 reception in Fort Myers, Florida.

On Friday, November 14th, he participates in the National Humanities Medal Awards in the Oval, and he signs a proclamation in honor of the National Employer's Support of the Guard and Reserve Week in the East Room.

And then he departs for Camp David, where he will remain until Sunday.

"Who Benefit?" Analysis 11.Nov.2003 05:52

zc

Thanks -=American=- for the explaination.
Based on the who benefit, many latest bombings point to CIA/Mossad work,
Those are the ones that I remember offhand.
From all the actions of Iraqi resistance, they use only small arms like Ak-47, or RPMs.
If they can assemble car bomb and drive them around, why not they use it against
occupational forces? Please add more

1. Bombing in Najaf
2. Bombing at UN in Bahgdad
3. Bombing at Red Cross in Bahgdad
4. Latest Bombing in Saudi Arabia
5. Latest road side accident killing Iraqis.

Georgia on brink of armed conflict?!?! 11.Nov.2003 09:57

Curioser and curioser...

Former Soviet Republic [Georgia] on brink of armed conflict

Note that Putin was backing one leader, along with the U.S. , but America seems now to have changed its mind. That is, if the American government can be said to actually have a mind! Calm down, I didn't say all of the American people. But I do mean practically all (few exceptions) of the U.S. government.!!!


 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/11/1068329563742.html

MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT...DON'T CHOKE ON IT THOUGH 11.Nov.2003 10:03

Merlin

-Caveat Lector- AM REPOSTING SOMETHING I FOUND ON ANOTHER WEBSITE Eric Stewart wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2550513.stm > > Sunday, 8 December, 2002, 01:22 GMT > Israel 'faked al-Qaeda presence' > > Officials from the Palestinian Authority have accused the Israeli spy > agency Mossad of setting up a fake al-Qaeda terrorist cell in Gaza. "In George Orwell's "1984", the state aka Big Brother needed an enemy to keep the population scared and obedient. Lacking an enemy who was credible as a threat without actually being one, the state invented "Emmanuel Goldstein", a fictitious enemy splashed across the view-screens as a target for the public "two minute hate". "Orwell wrote "1984" as a warning of the depths that governments would sink to to maintain power. And, it appears that he was correct if underscoring the creation of fake villains. http://whatreallyhappened.com/palqaeda.jpg "The above photo is of the arrest of an "Al Qaeda" cell in Palestine. Surprise, surprise, the arrested men turned out to be working for Israel's Mossad, tasked with CREATING an Al Qaeda menace where none actually existed. This raises the interesting question that if at least SOME of Al Qaeda are Mossad, what if they all are? Just as Big Brother needed Emmanuel Goldstein to justify its policies, so to does the US and Israel NEED an "Al Qaeda" to justify expansion into oil-rich Arab nations. As this Christian Science Monitor article suggests, the claim of a unified "Al Qaeda" may be a manufactured myth, as fake as Saddam's nuclear bombs." - M. R. whatreallyhappened.com http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0523/p11s02-coop.html Mossad Exposed In Phony 'Palestinian Al Qaeda' Caper by Michele Steinberg, Tuesday, February 11, 2003 http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1572495.php BY WAY OF DECEPTION by Justin Raimondo Israel pulls a fast one - and gets caught http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j120902.html Did Jewish Diamond Merchants, Israeli Arm Smugglers and Jewish/Russian Mobsters Finance Al Qaeda? http://www.libertyforum.org/showthreaded.php?Board=news_members&Number=376601 "And if they did, doesn't it support the theory that, like the cell arrested in Palestine, Al Qaeda is a Mossad operation." - M. R. Does Al-Qaida exist? http://www.bond.org.uk/networker/july03/opinion.htm An Al Qaeda magazine? Tell me another one. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/135456p-120644c.html Disinformation Busted! CIA posing as Al Qaeda muslamaniacs at jihadunspun.com http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=803075&t=-1 -- "Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave national emergency... Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant sums demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real." --General Douglas MacArthur "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." --H.L. Mencken "The people never give up their liberty but under some delusion." --Edmund Burke

What's Going to Happen In Iraq 11.Nov.2003 10:34

k-man

The following article appeared on Yahoo News within the last few hours

Iraq Governor Bremer Heads to U.S. at Short Notice
Tue Nov 11, 8:14 AM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!



BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's U.S. governor, Paul Bremer, has left for Washington at short notice and canceled a meeting on Tuesday with visiting Polish Prime Minister Leszek Miller, the Polish delegation said.

Officials in the U.S.-led administration had no immediate comment on Bremer's trip to Washington.

and the means? 11.Nov.2003 10:37

hank

 link to story.news.yahoo.com

Federal investigators have documented 1,300 cases of lost, stolen or abandoned radioactive material inside the United States over the past five years and have concluded there is a significant risk that terrorists could cobble enough together for a dirty bomb.

Who Says It Was Al Qaeda? 11.Nov.2003 11:40

zc

Behind The Bombing?
By Rizvan
wwnews.com
11-11-3

Lets look at the facts. On 25th October 2003 the CIA released statements that warned of 'imminent Al Qaeda' attacks in Saudi Arabia. ( see BBC report ). A few weeks later, BOOM. Either the CIA has infiltrated Al Qaeda so well, that they are able to tell when they will attack, or there is something fishy about this whole incident.

If the CIA did know about it, then clearly the information was coming from a source who would be pretty senior in Al Qaeda's network. Anyone who knows how the organisation works, would know, only those people who are DIRECTLY involved, have any knowledge about whats going to happen. This minimises the possibility of outsiders finding out.

Therefore the CIA's mole, must have been directly involved in the planning or execution of this terrorist act. If so, why didn't the CIA stop it ?

It has already been proven that the CIA and Mossad knew about 9/11. Indeed, Mossad had at least 5 agents filming the World Trade Centre at the time the planes flew into them ( see reports on wwviews or on other similar sites ). Yet no-one seemed to stop that act from occuring. Some would argue, the US and Israel had too much to lose by stopping the act. Yes, I did say lose.

They were willing to sacrifice some 3,000 lives, in exchange for the 500,000 they have taken in revenge wars on Iraq and Afghanistan. The 3,000 US lives were actually 'martyrs', who have helped the US gain lucrative oil and construction contracts in Iraq. They have helped Israel feel safer, as the US now control one of its main threats, in the shape of Iraq.

In any event, I don't want to lose focus, lets stick with the Riyadh bombings.

I have a very close friend who lives in Riyadh, in another compound. I was extremely relieved when I found they were safe, and teh bombings had happend at another compound. The relief immediately turned to suspicion when I was told, that word on the street in Saudi was that the US had staged the whole thing.

The bombs went off during the holy month of Ramadan.

They were set to explode at the time most muslims were getting up to pray and eat, in preparation for their daily fasting.

The compound itself is mainly home to Arab workers. Indeed the dead count reads as follows :

The Saudi ministry official said seven Lebanese, four Egyptians, one Saudi, one Sudanese and four unidentified people had been killed. The dead included five children.

There are 'foreigners' who have been injured, but Saudi news is stating that these are mainly foreign residents from the UK or US, who have Arab or South Asian origins. For example, a Pakistani, living in the UK, would have a UK passport, and when appropriate, would be a 'British' worker abroad. Even though they may have only lived in the UK for 5 years, and obtained a work permit. The Saudi ministry has said ' Four Americans of Arab origin and six Canadians were among the injured, whose countries of origin also included African and Asian states.' So in essence, no US or foreign citizens have been hurt or killed by this. Only other muslims.

The western media wants us to believe that Al Qaeda has now decided to kill its own, on its own land.

This is akin to the IRA planting bombs in Dublin city centre, to kill Irish people. Or for the Palestinians to send a suicide bomber to Arafats compound in Ramallah. Its simply not done.

Al-Qaeda is at the same time sold to the West as an 'Islamic' terrorist group. And it is at the same time expected to have killed other muslims, during the holiest month of the Islamic calender. There are many compounds in Saudi, but those that house 'real foreigners' are guarded with military tanks. This one wasn't because it housed Arabs and other muslims. These are NOT Al Qaeda targets. But we are told Al Qaeda must have done this.

Why would they do that ?

They quite simply wouldn't.

Who is to gain from this act of savagry ? Hmmm..lets take a guess ?

For a hint, why not look at the comments of U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, who arrived in Riyadh on Sunday. Before any investigation has been conducted, or before the smoke has even cleared he told reporters:

"I can't say that last night's attack was the only or the last attack. My view is these al Qaeda terrorists -- and I believe it was al Qaeda -- would prefer to have many such events."

Convenient eh ?

 http://www.wwviews.com/articles/101103/riyadh.html

my crystal ball gives me this picture.... 11.Nov.2003 16:52

Merlin

Even though my crystal ball is quite old, been dropped a lot, and has cloudy coating, it still give me this picture...given all the above stream--and it is comprehensive make no mistake about it--it is my feeling that soon the mysterious plane that has been missing all these months will suddenly be found. Briefly, as it lines up for a direct run into the U.S. Consul Gen- eral Services facilities in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (for years it was the U.S. Embassy till it relocated to Riyadh) with it's load of highly flamable fuel, explosives, etc. to give the world a fantastic f-x effects showcase reason for the American's to step in and give their Saudi Arabian brethern a hand in fighting "terrorism". The sheepeople of the world will naturally believe it was Al Quada/Osima bin Laden/et al that did it...just kept it hidden all this time in the deserts of the Sudan, and at the most opportune moment that coincides with some numerological event or something in the heavens, they throw off the traps and fly it at max throttle across the Red Sea before they detected, and guess what? the world has the Reichstag Fire of the 21st Century to spark the CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS that so many are wanting. Nay, they must have it to save economies and preserve their positions of priviledge, and if a bit of "depopulation" results, they'll be all the more happy! This is what is behind all this business...let us not be at all mistaken either. What can we do about it...nothing, but be as astute observer's as we can be, so as to dodge the round-up that will soon follow for the trains to the CCamps! Yes, I know...it isn't a pretty picture! But, that's what I see! So, beware of knocks on the door...jump outta your window before they kick it in, for there won't be a 2nd knock...believe me!

Are you Serious? 11.Nov.2003 20:38

Claire in Australia

To the person who wrote the 8th message:
Who are you trying to kid?
The world's screwed because of you idiotic Americans - environmentally and culturally. Did you ever stop to think that the other cultures of the world would like to stay that way rather than merge into your uniform society?
Grow up America and leave the world alone. You're threatening my country with your arrogance.

Congress aproves action against syria 12.Nov.2003 18:22

ElvisEleven

 http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/590C99F5-C951-401B-B372-A389AC5FA00C.htm


This is a huge story and not one single mention of it on the news today

It's almost time 12.Nov.2003 23:06

me@nocontact.com.au

It's almost time...

Islamic 'Night of power' dates 13.Nov.2003 05:36

hank

So W should be in Florida, and it's 11/13/2003. Let's see if we were 'too paranoid' or as the 50s nuke sub commander feared 'not paranoid enough'. Interesting to glance at, lists various days in Nov that have historical signifigance for Islam, why and what they are. Specifically 21-25, on odd days. This site has enough reading to keep one busy.


 http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_Terror/031110.attack.dates.html

Well? 13.Nov.2003 05:55

gussy

Well, it's thursday....fingers tapping.....time's running out....still waiting for this 'big' thing to happen....

if not by 16:00 Eastern time, then I bet we're ok for today 13.Nov.2003 07:35

hank

Why? Because it won't make all major news - what good is terrorism if it doesn't get 'play'? ;-)

The big event happened 13.Nov.2003 09:06

elviseleven

The big event happened silently as the media madea reality show out of the "lets put on a show" tactics that the republicans are carrying out in the congress.

Something very major happened yesterday and it went by completely silently as the media focused on Kobe and the 30 hour Congressional marathon.

Not one single mention in the mainstream media did I find, of the major event that happened.

This event will surely lead to the invasion of syria and a broader war.


 http://wwwa.house.gov/international_relations/sub1008.PDF


There is no doubt a new front of bushes terror war was opened yesterday by congress, and not a peep from the complicit media.

Al Qaida Anticipates 100,000 Americans to Die in Next Attack 13.Nov.2003 13:36

k-man

Al Qaida commander 'anticipates' 100,000 Americans dead in attack



Special to World Tribune.com
MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE
Thursday, November 13, 2003
Al-Qal'a (The Fortress) an Islamist Internet forum, posted the first of a two-part interview with a person who introduced himself as Abu Salma Al-Hijazi, one of the Al Qaida commanders closest to Osama bin Laden.(1) The interview was conducted in Iraq, south of Faluja. The article notes that Al-Hijazi was surrounded by five masked men carrying missiles as well as personal weapons. The following are excerpts from the interview:

In regard to rumors about a large-scale attack against the U.S. during the month of Ramadan, Al-Hijazi said that "a huge and very courageous strike" will take place and that the number of infidels expected to be killed in this attack, according to primary estimates, exceeds 100,000. He added that he "anticipates, but will not swear, that the attack will happen during Ramadan."

He further stated that the attack will be carried out in a way that will "amaze the world and turn Al Qaida into [an organization that] horrifies the world until the law of Allah is implemented, actually implemented, and not just in words, on His land... You wait and see that the balance of power between Al Qaida and its rivals will change, all of a sudden, Allah willing."


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Regarding Al Qaida detainees, Al-Hijazi said: "We follow their situation closely... the collaborating governments will pay the price for capturing these heroes who want to revive the glory of their nation and shake off the dust of humiliation and disgrace."
Al-Hijazi added that the "collaborating and treacherous" governments should know that Al Qaida has a long reach and its members enjoy popularity that will not end just because apostate governments detain hundreds of Al Qaida's members. "As soon as the governments detain one of our people, ten like him join us... this is no secret."

Al-Hijazi said that Al Qaida instructed its members not to confront the governments of Islamic countries and clarified that Americans are the main target of the organization, wherever they may be, in order to cause their disintegration and collapse, even if it takes a long time. "We are patient," he added, "our patience will only end with the collapse of America and its agents."

Al-Hijazi also said: "There is no doubt that the demise of America and its collapse will lead to the collapse of these fragile regimes that depend on it... We will not stop until we establish the Islamic Caliphate and until Allah's law is implemented in His land."

When asked about the recent bombing in Riyadh, Al-Hijazi referred to Saudi media reports — which claimed that in the attack Muslim women and children were killed — as "merely media deceit." He added: "This place was under surveillance for many months. Following a thorough investigation, it became perfectly clear to us that the people living there were at least 300 Americans and a large group of Lebanese Christians who had tortured Muslims there, in Lebanon, during the civil war. After consultation, we decided it was appropriate to attack this place and destroy it, including the people who lived there, because it housed Americans and a large majority of Christians holding Lebanese citizenship.

"Since the Saudi government is aware of the sensitivity of this place and that it is a declared target for Al Qaida, it surrounded it with very heavy security. However, we gave our people in Riyadh a green light to destroy it on top of those inside. Allah facilitated breaking into the place and bombing the part in which mostly Americans stayed. As a result, praise Allah, at least 40 Americans were killed, as well as 27 Christians from Lebanon, and a group of citizens who were Muslim; also, at least 70 Americans were injured, as well as more than 30 citizens of other countries, most of them Christians from Lebanon."

According to Al-Hijazi, a Saudi religious scholar who is wanted by Saudi authorities will claim responsibility in a televised communiqué for the bombing "and for other operations to come." He added that the wills of the attackers will be published, apparently, in the month of Shawwal — the month following Ramadan according to the Muslim calendar - when Al Qaida's main website, Al-Nida, is due to be reactivated.

Web Link @ :  http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_2.html

well now!...I must say.... 13.Nov.2003 16:08

Merlin

Seems other's out there have their own crystal ball and the pic they're getting is similar to mine. Only difference is the
"timing" (mine don't give time as stready stream analog fashion...just shows "what" that's all!) and while mine is small,
the pics are crowded in so that it's hard to get every detail. Bus, I get same over-all pic as these dudes. Only, I'm NOT
sure just who is the originator's of the "what". That is the question...BIG QUESTION!

star and cresent 14.Nov.2003 00:56

elviseleven

Tell me star gazers....Is there a time soon when the planets will creat the islamic star and cresent. Does anybody kno wwhat that symbol represents?
Might it happen during the solar eclipse?

R U RARING' TO GO? 14.Nov.2003 09:56

allat

Well, Big Bertha, u r really civilized, aren't ya. Don't you know that at this point in time - it's no longer any use being nationalistic or even a patriot - the world is so connected - that what effects one part is soon carried to the other side - such as DU being carried from the Mid East by the world winds and weather - to the U.S.

At this time we should be pulling together as citizens of Terra. I don't want to be a primitive, ignorant savages.

But as Rivero -" What Really Happened" site says: "Here's your gun and your parachute - let me see you off and good luck to you!" "Just don't send my kid - send your own son or daughter!!!"

to elviseleven 14.Nov.2003 13:04

hank

This has some of the info you're looking for. I'd posted it earlier and it goes into dates, stars and meaning to Islam

 http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_Terror/031110.attack.dates.html

once again 15.Nov.2003 06:35

frank syracus@gmx.ch

They don't need the big cut at all, each day a new bombing will do the job, sad but true. When the first car will explode in London or L.A., it's all done......

HEADLINES

Last Updated on November 15, 2003, 4:04 PM (GMT+02:00)

UK goes on second highest terror alert for al Qaeda attack American security alert to citizens in Sudan Mussaoui may not represent himself at 9/11 trial Five Russian troops killed in Chechnya Popular pressure for Georgian president Shevardnadze's resignation high after two weeks Hamas leader Yassin rules out immediate truce US sets up a germ detection system in 31 cities in case of biological attack Gunmen shot and wounded 1 Portuguese reporter, snatched second in southern Iraq US special operations force soldier killed in Afghanistan by roadside bomb

Turkish PM Erdogan cuts short Cyprus visit for emergency after two Istanbul synagogues are attacked by suicide car bombers during Sabbath prayers killing at least 20, injuring 256, many critically. Turkish officials say attacks too sophisticated for local group and do not rule out al Qaeda. Blast almost destroys city's largest Neve Shalom where Bar Mitzve ceremony was taking place and hits Beit Israel in affluent Sisli neighborhood.

Son of Chief Rabbi of Turkey Yitzhak Haliva wounded. Neve Shalom almost completely destroyed. Israeli condemns criminal terrorist act, sends condolences to families of security personnel and police who perished. Israeli medical teams and aid supplies prepare to fly out.

Damn, just thinking about ways to get "my" old europe "in-line", maybe Paris would ba a possibility.... stop gwb....

...and they all met in a place called Armageddon. 17.Nov.2003 14:22

Ponyboy

So the USA gives Israel cruise missles for their subs; then Russia deploys "Sunburn" tactical missles on their jets and sells them to China who outfits them on their navy cruisers (do a search on these missles- they do Mach 2 at 60ft altitude and are nuke capable).
China now has the ability to challenge the US in a naval battle over Taiwan. Even with our AGEIS protection, our carriers are vulnerable.
Israel wants to expand its borders...but at what cost?
Bush cannot serve two masters...his Bible should have told him that.
the world gets more like Dr Strangelove by the minute............

Don't bet on anything 18.Nov.2003 00:48

larsxe

We can all sit here and hope for an Armageddon, another terrorist attack or another Mossad/US conspiracy. But in the end, these hopes all boil down to lack of excitement in our lives.

The millennial cult has a stronghold on American culture. People have a strong belief in the apocalypse (not only Bush neo-cons, mind you). But there will be no apocalypse. Only boredom and bullshit.

Interesting Times..... 18.Nov.2003 11:28

Ponyboy

Larsexe,
I wouldn't call a nuclear exchange between nations "boredom & bullshit". This isn't exactly a point in our timeline to be lulled to sleep. (ok you looky loos, nothing to see here, go back to REM sleep)

"May you live in Interesting Times" - Ancient Chinese Curse

sadly, doesn't get more interesting than this ... 19.Nov.2003 05:50

scotbot

"There will come a time when the inhabitants of the earth will be seized with panic. ... The country you now see ruling the world [America] will become a trackless desert [all vegetation and life burned up by nukes], laid waste for all to see."

from Esdras, in the Apocrypha

Another coded messege 19.Nov.2003 08:30

elviseleven

Well, here it is, 11/19 , military contrails criss cross the los angeles sky....a perfect cresent moon in the morning sky.....and this....


"The Hit Coming to America"


Posted 14 November 2003--The hitting Coming to America is a day of 19 ! Today or Tuesday !

Originating Source: [REDACTED]

Analyst: Jill St. Claire

[BEGIN QUOTED MESSAGE] A warning by an unknown Islamic organization claims nineteenth movement of the Islamic clarification of the occurrence of imminent attacks in Washington and New York and Los Angeles.

...the hitting coming from the Al-Qaeda Organization to the United States of America becomes imminent, and it may symbolize the number 19 to a code related to the operation. Since As the movement becomes optimistic about the number 19 and it is the number of hijackers of the famous operations on 11 - a Sbtmir - 2001 - I expand on this...

Since it may be 19 November ( ? )... And it may be today Friday 19 Ramadans ( according to the fast of the people of Mecca ) because the organization name itself vontains the number 19 !!

In the days that follow, the hidden will be disclosed !!!

A moved ( a young man - the reform ) ........

And I do not say except : - amen .................

The hitting coming to America is a day of 19 ! [END QUOTED MESSAGE]



 



Analyst Note: This message was selected for posting as it references the symbolism of numbers within various "coded" messages. 

the significance of the number 19 in conjunction with the heavens at this time 19.Nov.2003 15:35

Merlin

As surely you'll know, the believer's of Islam follow a Lunar calendar, with the Moon and it's phases having significant
meaning. Tonight, the 19th in the Geogrian Calendar, the Moon begins it's waning crescent, as it passes closely to
a distant star known as Gamma in the Virgo constellation. Gamma is a well-known double star, and also is known as
Porrima. The separation between them is most difficult to discern with naked eye, yet is with telescopes.

On Friday, the 19 of the Muslim calendar, this Moon phase will reach a period that a point of the crescent will bisect,
or seemingly split the star (although it's really two stars). This has NOT happened in over 1400+ years, and it has
major significance to Muslim, in that ALL their Mosque's commenoriate this specific cosmic event in symbolic man-
ner. Take a look at the crescent moon with the balls that stand atop Mosques. What do you think it means?

WE SHALL SOON FIND OUT!

What does it mean? 20.Nov.2003 01:45

larsxe

It means nothing. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN ON FRIDAY.

Mark my words.

Besides, I thought all you guys thought the Mossad were behind 9-11. Why would the Mossad make an attack on a date significant to Islam? Oh, I see, to pin the blame on the moooslems. The Mossad, those guys sure are evil.

analysing the terror in turkey 20.Nov.2003 04:43

scotbot

given today's two turkish terror attacks, there may be more to Merlin's analysis than at first glance.

but why would Al-Qaeda (presuming it actually was them, although no doubt they'll be blamed for it regardless) attack Istanbul (albeit western targets there) in another muslim nation, especially on such an auspicious date?

well, perhaps it really is all to do with the symbology of the date.

put it this way, Islam's use of the Crescent Moon / Star symbol dates back to the Turkish (Muslim) conquest of Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul) in 1453. as such, the attacks on western (read Christian) targets would serve as a powerful symbol of Islamic strength (to other Muslims), but also (Islamic) anti-christian belligerence (from the western perspective).

this latter facet of the affair is rather significant. the anti-christ archetype is a powerful image in the western psyche. as such, an anti-christian attack serves to enforce the notion that the perpetrators are of the anti-christ themselves - that is, Islam is the anti-christ. (today's date in Islam is the 18th or 6 + 6 + 6: see the psychology at work!)

it's all part of the grand plan to create the clash of civilisations. this is the philosophy of samuel huffington who states that Islam must be reformed under western guidance. of course, this is unlikely since Islamic monotheism is essentially diametrically opposed to many western interests, particularly commercial (read usury) interests. what this is likely to lead to is war with all of Islam ... another world war.

so, when GWB et al (the PNAC mob) talk of bringing western-style democracy to the middle east, they've got more in mind than ballot boxes. it's a timetable to world war.

therefore we can surmise that there's maybe more to today's bombings than mere terrorism. it's all part of a grand plan, whether or not the attacks were staged. the attacks are quite simply designed to promulgate this clash of civilisations.

 http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa060401a.htm
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/clashofcivilizations.htm
 http://www.newamericancentury.org
 http://www.pnac.info

breaking news: just learned on UK tv news that HSBC banks offices were empty at the time of the attack. coincidentally (??) their offices were being refurbished. did they have prior notice? if so, was it really an Al-Qaeda attack? the media here are already saying so, because it apparently bears all the hallmarks of an attack of their's (despite any other groiup's terror attack being nearly identical). if HSBC had prior knowledge, then the attacks would have to have been planned long ago. something to think about.

when the moon is split 20.Nov.2003 07:43

elviseleven

Thank you Merlin, for that information.
That is what I was looking to know about in a previous post.
On the site that I previously pasted there was a messege from al quida that stated something to the extent of "when is split".

Unless all of those al quida posts are disinformation from intelligence, I would say there are is a possability
of something happening this Friday, which i didnt know was the 19th on the muslim calender.

something too....symbolic and frightening about a solar eclipse...11/23.

I live in los angeles, down wind from the ocean...wouldnt want to be near long beach (the port)

something bad is a cm in

clarification---splitting of the moon in 2 marks the start 20.Nov.2003 13:13

elviseleven

Al Qaeda has just issued a warning to Muslims: leave New York, Washington, and Los Angeles ( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102179,00.html). Actually, this is at least the second repetition of the warning, as it was published a week or so ago on a lesser known Mulsim website in a slightly different format ["A Warning to Muslims in America," issued by the Al-Islah (Reform) society: ... Our Muslim brothers in America we request from you and very quickly the departure from these cities an immediately :Washington City, New York City, and Los Angeles city... ...]. There have also been numerous postings stating that Ramadan will be different this year ( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102179,00.html). Actually, this is at least the second repetition of the warning, as it was published a week or so ago on a lesser known Mulsim website in a slightly different format ["A Warning to Muslims in America," issued by the Al-Islah (Reform) society: ... Our Muslim brothers in America we request from you and very quickly the departure from these cities an immediately :Washington City, New York City, and Los Angeles city... ...]. There have also been numerous postings stating that Ramadan will be different this year ( link to www.hagmannpi.com). Furthermore, just yesterday it was reported that the Al Ansar jihadist group had posted the following on the internet: "... messages from Al Qaeda Network in Yemen that points to... execution of three greatest operations during theholy month of Ramadan ... Brothers and sisters I greet you, as you have noticed the splitting of the moon in two marks the start of the biggest operation of all, it is expected that America will be fragmented into 3 parts, I swear to Allah on this, I swear to Allah that the US will be divided... (November 6, 2003, WBEN 930 AM, The Tom Bauerle Show). I could go on, but you get the picture... .


Brothers and sisters I greet you, as you have noticed the splitting of the moon in two marks the start of the biggest operation of all, it is expected that America will be fragmented into 3 parts, I swear to Allah on this, I swear to Allah that the US will be divided...

<<<<and what do you suppose would cause America to be fragmented into 3 parts.

19 Ramadan was LAST FRIDAY! 20.Nov.2003 13:32

k-man

Well, you all seem to have it wrong. The 19th of Ramadan (for this year) was LAST FRIDAY, not tomorrow! So there. If there was going to be any terrorist act this year it should have happened 6 days ago.

k-man, who may actually be a G-man, has it all wrong 20.Nov.2003 14:40

Merlin

while 6 days ago was indeed the 19th day of Ramadan, it was not the 19th day of the Lunar month used there.
That date will be tomorrow, Friday, the last day of Ramadan. The same day that the solar eclipse occurs, as
will the lunar occulation with the star Gamma in the Virgo constellation. Also, tonight's crescent Moon, only 2
days away from New Moon, sets to the upper left of Spica, the brightest star in Virgo constellation. All of this,
is IMPORTANT! Contained within the astrology thereof, is clues as to WHAT IN THE HELL will happen on this
date, Friday, November 21, 2003 A.D. So, there...how you argue with the stars...they're far bigger than YOU!

hey, K-Man 20.Nov.2003 14:54

scotbot

K-Man you are correct. The 19th Ramadan was last week. The dates mentioned previously were from last year.

Anyway, there you're remiss about one part of your comment - yes, there were terrorist attacks six days ago. The bombings of the turkish synagogues occurred then.

it is curious that the attacks should have been six days apart though. the number 6 is an occult number and is often used in ritual black magic. don't ask how or why, but to the numerologists out there, its significance will no doubt be apparent.

I JUST DONT GET IT 20.Nov.2003 17:46

trent

you guys make me sick, you claim to have all this prophetic knowledge on terrorist attacks yet you do NOTHING to try and stop it? if you're so sure about all this bs happening (which you frequently claim is about to and seems never to amount to the degree you claim) then why the heck dont you try and do something about it????

tell us trent 20.Nov.2003 18:05

enquiring mind

How does one go about stopping a terrorist attack? Really, give us the concrete steps we can take to do so and I will immediately carry them out. Are we to notify the "authorities"? Well, they already know, and have known for longer than anyone here exactly what will happen and when. Bush and his administration knew about the impending 9/11 attacks for months and yet they did nothing and they could have actually done something. But for most of us, reporting is all we can do.

Has anybody considered? 20.Nov.2003 20:31

wildostrich

HAs anybody considered the fact that Sat 11/22 marks the anniversary of the Kennedy assassination? And that the Solar Eclipse is happening Sunday 11/23? Bush was elected (?) in a ''0' year and you know that prophecy. Just think about it!

zero year? 21.Nov.2003 00:09

elviseleven

What is th ezero year prophecy? Im not familiar.


Dide you see the new posts on the homelandsecurityus.com?

Hard to read. but reference to assasination of hamlet.

elviseleven: the zero year curse 21.Nov.2003 03:23

scotbot

read this, The Zero Year Presidential Curse - Might Tragedy Strike?:  http://www.rense.com/general37/zuu.htm

Now it's FRIDAY 21.Nov.2003 06:18

larsxe

Now it's Friday, I'm sitting here, rolling my thumbs... will anything happen?

yes, it is Friday...remember what happened on Friday? 21.Nov.2003 06:46

Merlin

"When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul
weather today: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky;
but can ye not discern the signs of the times?"

Jesus, the Christ, as spoken to the Pharises...Matthew 16:3

Actions after second 911 from someone in the know 21.Nov.2003 09:39

hank

 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml

Finally someone admits it - far right source on obscure interview with Ret. Gen. Tommy Franks. Constitution shredding completed if 2nd 911 happens.

 http://www.stevequayle.com/

This one claims an attack was averted and prevention is further under way.

Well, Friday's Almost Over & Still No Terror To Be Seen! 21.Nov.2003 21:39

Buendeskanzler

It's 9:38 p.m. PST or 12:38 a.m. EST and Friday's come and gone and yet there is no terror to be seen, at least not for today. I'd say the predictions of an Islamic Day of Terror can be put to rest once and for all. Perhaps Merlin should take his crystal ball back to the dealer and see if the warranty still hasn't expired.

Well Buendeskanzler ... 22.Nov.2003 10:31

elviseleven

Well Buendeskanzler ,
Maybe you can tell us, you seem to be working for the people who know.

What's in a name? Plenty, if u take the time to learn! 24.Nov.2003 13:13

Knowledge/understanding/truth will set you free.

FYI readers: the signature "buendeskanzler" is a German word which means: Chancellor, Minister of Justice, Attorney General. Take your pick.

Perhaps that limp dick Asscroft is "spying" on this and other critical web sites; while practicing his German language skills? That's a funny thought had. LOL! Fools never learn from their mistakes. Ach du lieber! That's why they are rightly regarded as fools. Doh!

It's a possibility, doncha think, since Asscroft (and his ilk), as is evident to anyone with a healthy brain, fantasizes about being a real spy. Too bad (c'est dommage) for him, since real spying requires having actual, measurable intelligence; something which Asscroft and company clearly haven't got! That their memories are pathetically short, is one clue to their imbecility. Constant repitition is another, they have to constantly repeat things, particularly lies, in order to remember them, not so that we will get it! Please take note.

If "buendeskanzler" isn't that person's real name, it seems that they feel they have some inside "sense" of justice, truth and/or reality. Why else choose that signature?

If it is their real name, s/he might want to consider changing it, since it's apparent that they already take themselves way too seriously! LOL! Chancellor, my ass!

Or, if "buendeskanzler" is a good, albeit naive person, s/he will only feel uncomfortable/embarrassed after the fact. Doubting Thomas? Sadly, it often works this way.

Buendeskanzler clearly cannot read the signs of the times. God works in mysterious ways, just because you cannot see/read the signs doesn't mean that they are not there! elviseleven, you go, you seem to have insight, in my opinion.

Du bist ein schwein, nicht wahr, buendeskanzler? Are you stupid swine? Please remember, dear readers, don't cast your pearls [of wisdom, kindness or goodness] before swine. Life's too precious to waste arguing with them; but it is important to out them, to identify them whenever you recognize them.

Btw, good Germans and other good German-speaking people will understand what I'm saying. No doubt about it, there are good Germans; just as there are good people everywhere. Don't let the sterotypes confuse you. That, dear readers, is part of the nefarious plan: to confuse, to distract, to divide and conquer.

We have the power within each and every one of us to stop them, and to render them impotent, which is what they essentially are. They know this, and that is why they are so fearful, so afraid of "us", and the truth. They do not understand or accept their natural identities/reality, so they reject it outright in favour of superficial/artificial identities. What they are most afraid of is being exposed for the impostors that they are. They are lost, frightened, paranoid and confused. Pathetic! We should pray for and pity, not fear, them. They fear the "light" of exposure more than you might imagine. Psychology 101.

Peace, love and knowledge. The truth will set you free! Yeah baby!

Mein gut Freund, ich bin nur eine Spassvogel 24.Nov.2003 21:16

Bundeskanzler

Entschuldigung mein gut Herr. Ich bin nur eine Spassvogel. Ich bin nicht Herr ,,Asscroft.'' Meine Anmerkungen sind nur eine Beobachtund eabsichtigen. Noch einmal, entschuldigung. Auch, der Name ,,Bundeskanzler'' uerbersetzen in "Federal Chancellor" auf Englisch. Tschuss!

WOW! my crystal ball isn't so murky anymore...got a few words to pass on... 25.Nov.2003 00:40

Merlin

Just when I thought my crystal ball was going on the blink, it lite up with these words being discerned:

"Many are destined to reason wrongly, others, not to reason at all; and others,
to persecute those who do reason."
Voltaire

Heavy-duty words I must say! What you think?

future "staged" terrorism 26.Nov.2003 04:40

scotbot

I think we need to work out in advance all the potential dates for terrorism. these and apparently genuine accidents, such as airplane crashes, often bear an occult signature. this is usually characterised by a numbers, e.g. 9/11 day, whereby both numbers have an occult meaning. Other famous examples include the date of the armistice to end WWI (11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th month 1918 (6 + 6 + 6 = 18)), and Kennedy's assasination (the 11th month, the 22nd day, the 33rd parallel).

I think it would be really useful if we had a resource that could predict all this. It would have to take into account cultural event signifiers and symbolism. Primarily, in these days of the War on Islam ... er ... I mean, terror, it would have to include Islamic symbolism since it appears that those responsible for the staged terrorism would want to frame Muslims by framing the terrorism in the symbols of their religion. It's a classic false flag technique.

Anyone got any ideas?

future "staged" terrorism 26.Nov.2003 04:40

scotbot

I think we need to work out in advance all the potential dates for terrorism. these and apparently genuine accidents, such as airplane crashes, often bear an occult signature. this is usually characterised by a numbers, e.g. 9/11 day, whereby both numbers have an occult meaning. Other famous examples include the date of the armistice to end WWI (11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th month 1918 (6 + 6 + 6 = 18)), and Kennedy's assasination (the 11th month, the 22nd day, the 33rd parallel).

I think it would be really useful if we had a resource that could predict all this. It would have to take into account cultural event signifiers and symbolism. Primarily, in these days of the War on Islam ... er ... I mean, terror, it would have to include Islamic symbolism since it appears that those responsible for the staged terrorism would want to frame Muslims by framing the terrorism in the symbols of their religion. It's a classic false flag technique.

Anyone got any ideas?

Freemasons, etc 27.Nov.2003 07:10

Ponyboy

I'm not a big fan of numerology, but evidently the Freemasons are. In the previous post, the 33rd parallel is mentioned...JFK was shot along the 33rd parallel...and the first atom bomb testing also occured on the 33rd. The last space shuttle was to have landed in Florida on runway 33. (NASA is top heavy with Masons) The most prominent numbers for them are 19 & 33 degrees.
I had an associate who was a 32nd degree Mason; he started off by telling me the usual speech "We donate a million dollars a week" to charity etc. When I told him I knew about their history and use of numbers as a belief, he would only tell me so much.
(the word YAWEH is actually a numerical equation as well as phonetic )...........

Elections? 28.Nov.2003 08:02

hank

 http://wsws.org/articles/2003/nov2003/warn-n27.shtml

Covers three articles, including Tommy Franks' interview with cigar afficianado (how obscure is that and who reads it?!) about canceling the constitution for another 911. Will there be an election next Nov? Stay tuned.

occult signature in (staged?) terror 04.Dec.2003 13:44

scotbot

just heard of the shootings in Ohio, US.

it should be noted that the name Columbus (and it's relations Columbia, Columbine) has occult significance. also note the number of the interstate has an occult resonance too (270: 2 + 7 + 0 = 9). there have been 12 shootings so far, so expect there to be at least, if not finally, one more killing to make it the magik number 13. also, the number thirteen makes it into one of the times there was shooting, ie 1.35 am in the morning. this was also on the eleventh Novemer (11/11/3)!!

also, there's an almost mirror occurrence in South America. In Columbia (there's that name again) there has also been a spate of shootings, with 13 (once again) left dead.

there seems to be no stopping these satanic nutters. it's just so obvious what they're up to.

links:

Ohio police hunt highway shooter:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3258100.stm
Colombia attack 'leaves 13 dead':  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3292519.stm

Nuke attack on US West Port on Dec 12? 07.Dec.2003 19:50

zc

Just saw an analysis from rense.com
Stan Romanek's December 12 Warning Controversy
 http://www.rense.com/general45/warn.htm
With the following snip:

"Two days ago, I privately agreed with a public broadcast personality that I would remain silent on this issue in the interest of not causing another panic for what would likely be over nothing. Since that time, an alarming number of reports have been sent in to public broadcast personalities from listeners that have been having a disturbingly vivid and consistent dream of a giant tsunami approaching the west coast of the US at sunset. Stan was shown giant tsunamis. I am not going to remain silent any longer. "

Seems to be an attack on US west, if it does happen. What do you think?

investigative and secutiry sites to watch 10.Dec.2003 11:07

hank

 http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

This one has people that translate from Arabic into English AND they post the original Arabic! It's worth looking at from time to time.


 http://www.stevequayle.com/

Now THIS one is from a yellow button at the upper right of the previous. It keeps track of terrorist alerts and claims that there's an alert for D.C., NYC, Las Vegas, London, and hints at LA.

BOMBERS OVER SCOTLAND LADDIE!!! 14.Dec.2003 02:35

COL. KILLGORE

youre damd right those were us warplanes laddie!!! we're going to nuke every damd islamic country in the world !!! god ! i love the smell of napalm in the morning !!!!!! sincerely , col. killgore

sound 21.Dec.2003 14:55

SickkMann

been kinda quiet on the comment page, I need some more drama pleeeese!!!!

Need more drama, sickk man? 22.Dec.2003 11:15

See CNN, Fox "news" or most any mainstream media

Dear sickk man,

At least you' re not in denial about your dis-ease. That''s the first step towards healing, did ya know? However, in case you need a quick dose of drama, see any mainstream media outlet, you're guaranteed a cheap scare/thrill. I just noticed that the New World Disorderlies in America have raised the terror alert to Orange.

"Omigod! The 'chatter' is increasing. Look the terra-ists are coming! Keep shopping, though, we, the government will protect you as well as we did on 9/11. Trust us. We're the good-doers, on a divine mission, remember!"

There are numerous historical precedents for this insanity. I'll name but one for your edification, The Boy [president] who cried Wolfowitz!

Originally titled The boy who cried wolf, by that late, great fable-master, Aesop.

Happy reading. Happy everything. Peace to all!

check out this site 26.Dec.2003 03:44

roll cash

www.nonprophet.co.uk check it out for more on these subjects


to everyone who hates the government 08.Jan.2004 15:57

military women

I was in Iraq, I lived in the tents and didn't shower for days at a time. I woke up in a cot and had to put on my boots to walk a mile to go pee in a ditch. I just want to tell everyone that the 3 months I did this I did not once regret it. I don't regret my willing to die for freedom, not only freedom for Americans but freedom for Iraqis.
I understand how people can get caught up in the antiwar thoughts, because I used to be like that. Now I regret doing that. Serving for the United States Military made me proud of my country. I believe that some of our politicians are corrupt but there are good ones out there. Instead of focusing on the negative all the time focus on the positive. Its almost time for President Elections, if you don't like want President Bush has done, then don't vote for him. Instead of posting deamening and rude things about our leaders and government go out there and try to change it.

To everyone who hate govt Pt 2 13.Jan.2004 19:15

Comrade Aussie blackboodu@hotmail.com

what I fail to understand is what threat would a person, liveing in Ashland Origon for example, have to their freedom and wellbeing from a third rate dictator thousand miles away who has no WMDs? Particulary when taken into acount that your country along with England had been bombing it into submission on a daily basis.

reply to MILITARY WOMAN's silliness 22.Jan.2004 19:06

Merlin

thought I'd check-out this page to see WHAT's been posted since I last saw it months ago...to my surprise I found the
comment by MILITARY WOMAN...it was so funny! It's obviously written by one of the staff at Pentagon...one of the Tora
Clark type's...bullshit merchants...press relations joker's...manupulator's extraordinare! If she want's to really go back
to Iraq...fuck her, let her go and go NOW...that way one of my beloved children/grandkids won't have to go in her stead.
Why should my flesh 'n' blood get killed in such a mad scene when there is plenty stooges like this MILITARY WOMAN
who are willing to get killed for them....OR, at least she claims she does! Do you believe her? I sure don't...it's meant
to further bullshit those stupid enough to be sucked into the drama...that's all! So, MILITARY WOMAN..please do your
duty and pack your bags and get your ass back over to Iraq NOW! I'll certainly will honor you, put my hand over my little
old heart, hum a verse of TAPS and well, forget you.........another pawn taken off the board...that's all it is...another little
pawn!

WHAT IS REALITY 11.Apr.2004 10:42

A THINKER

mans best and worst inventions, "bread and religion" or "religion and bread" they have caused more wars than any other causes.

given, if every muslim was gainfully employed around the world would there still be terroists against other religions or peoples beliefs?

don't react, think, think, it can be unsettling.

BULLSHIT 22.Dec.2004 20:19

woman with the inside info

The hwole thing is bullshit . I know everything that is going to happen my brother is in the navy right now thier just practicing for war right now. They moved up his time to come home for christmas because of going back and forth. But they are going to war in March thats what thier getting ready for. He said they should be gone 6 months in march For the war.

To respond... 22.Mar.2005 05:37

An American jibryne@msn.com

Well you certainly caught my attenion; Empire Slayer was it? I am sorry to hear the jets are keeping you up at night, and that you dont like the presedent of this country, but you really need for formulate your arguments beter. This "Empire" I'm part of i was born to, it has a good history, and a scary present. I did not elect Bush, in fact I wonder "who" really did. I also do not know what he does day to day, because the media is so filled with crap about every sugject they talk about, its difficult to know the truth!

While I never support war for any reason, i feel your concernes will not be heard enough by the people here. You also would have to change your attitude, who would want to hear somone judge their whole country and take it as positive critisism?

You have every reason to be anoyed, I certainly would be! In fact I am very anoyed that somone may be leading my friends and families into a war that shouldn't have been started. 9-11 was a horrible tradgedy, now we have to have more?

I think you would find any educated American would not be pleased by this war. In fact any one i know who is educated and informed is very concerned about our countries current standing in this world. It's scary to see what out country LOOKS like it stands for today. American Nationalism has replaced American Patriotism; Deomocracy has been replaced by Capitalism.

I am just a college student in the US. I have lived here all my life, but I do like living here. I am scared to death of what may happen tomorrow, or a year from now. I only wish there was somthing more people could do then write a post on-line. But i guess thats what my freedome limits me to, being that posting this may even mark me as a "terrorist." I love being an American, but it's scary to even use my 1st Amendment Right - Freedome of Speach. I feel like i am living a part of history, one thats scary.

- A Student

This Country (USA) 07.Nov.2005 17:49

TRP

This Country has been bought and paid for like everything else. True Americans do not own this country anymore. We (Americans) have been sold out and lied to by our goverment. I'm not sure my computer could cut all the RED TAPE. Bush & Bush have taken it all, and their cost was free. Dum-ass Americans gave it to them. ( Is it to late ?). What the fuck can we do? FUCK BUSH, FUCK BUSH, FUCK BUSH... & His fucken family...

Black Unmarked Helicopters 04.Jan.2006 00:39

The Silent One

I strongly urge all of you to read everything you can on matters of todays government to inform yourself,your family,your friends and neighbors on what's going on in our nation.Our Freedoms,Our Rights, OUR very Exsistence are in danger!

Can you visualize underground military installations,stocked with food,water,clothing,medical supplies,genoraters and fuel to opporate them? Enough fuel to keep military vehicles in opperation for several years? Enough supplies to keep an entire military base opperational for several years? Now imagine that there could be 100's of such installations nation wide,perhaps world wide?Now that could be an explanation of where all of our tax dollars have gone,our tax dollars certainly haven't been spent on our schools,on our elderly or poor,our roads and hiways are crumbling,our drinking water and foods the air we breathe become more unsafe everyday! In the event of a nuclear war,bush & co.high ranking military and gov. officials,medical teams and sientists all have a place in the underground system!American's it's time to wake up!I have personally seen several of these unmarked black helicopters, so when I came across this infomation it caused me to take notice! They really are out there!

Black Helicopters: Who really operates them and why? http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon2.html

We Have Been Warned 04.Jan.2006 01:14

The Silent One

Before the US House of Representatives, October 26, 2005

We have been warned. Prepare for a broader war in the Middle East, as plans are being laid for the next U.S.-led regime change - in Syria. A UN report on the death of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafig Hariri elicited this comment from a senior U.S. policy maker: "Out of tragedy comes an extraordinary strategic opportunity." This statement reflects the continued neo-conservative, Machiavellian influence on our foreign policy. The "opportunity" refers to the long-held neo-conservative plan for regime change in Syria, similar to what was carried out in Iraq.

This plan for remaking the Middle East has been around for a long time. Just as 9/11 served the interests of those who longed for changes in Iraq, the sensationalism surrounding Hariri's death is being used to advance plans to remove Assad.
Congress already has assisted these plans by authorizing the sanctions placed on Syria last year. Harmful sanctions, as applied to Iraq in the 1990s, inevitably represent a major step toward war since they bring havoc to so many innocent people. Syria already has been charged with developing weapons of mass destruction based on no more evidence than was available when Iraq was similarly charged.

Syria has been condemned for not securing its borders, by the same U.S. leaders who cannot secure our own borders. Syria was castigated for placing its troops in Lebanon, a neighboring country, although such action was invited by an elected government and encouraged by the United States. The Syrian occupation of Lebanon elicited no suicide terrorist attacks, as was suffered by Western occupiers.

Secretary Rice likewise sees the problems in Syria - that we helped to create - as an opportunity to advance our Middle Eastern agenda. In recent testimony she stated that it was always the administration's intent to redesign the greater Middle East, and Iraq was only one part of that plan. And once again we have been told that all options are still on the table for dealing with Syria - including war.

The statement that should scare all Americans (and the world) is the assurance by Secretary Rice that the President needs no additional authority from Congress to attack Syria. She argues that authority already has been granted by the resolutions on 9/11 and Iraq. This is not true, but if Congress remains passive to the powers assumed by the executive branch it won't matter. As the war spreads, the only role for Congress will be to provide funding lest they be criticized for not supporting the troops. In the meantime, the Constitution and our liberties here at home will be further eroded as more Americans die.

This escalation of conflict with Syria comes as a result of the UN report concerning the Hariri death. When we need an excuse for our actions, it's always nice to rely on the organization that our administration routinely condemns, one that brought us the multi-billion dollar oil-for-food scandal and sexual crimes by UN representatives.

It's easy to ignore the fact that the report did not implicate Assad, who is targeted for the next regime change. The UN once limited itself to disputes between nations; yet now it's assumed the UN, like the United States, has a legal and moral right to inject itself into the internal policies of sovereign nations. Yet what is the source of this presumed wisdom? Where is the moral imperative that allows us to become the judge and jury of a domestic murder in a country 6,000 miles from our shores?
Moral, constitutional, and legal arguments for a less aggressive foreign policy receive little attention in Washington. But the law of unintended consequences serves as a thorough teacher for the slow learners and the morally impaired.

Is Iraq not yet enough of a headache for the braggarts of the shock and awe policy?
Are 2,000 lives lost not enough to get their attention?
How many hundreds of billions of dollars must be drained from our economy before it's noticed?
Is it still plausible that deficits don't matter?
Is the apparent victory for Iran in the Shiite theocracy we've created in Iraq not yet seen as a disturbing consequence of the ill-fated Iraq regime change effort?
When we have our way with the next election in Lebanon and Hezbollah wins, what do we do?
If our effort to destabilize Syria is no more successful than our efforts in Iraq, then what?
If destabilizing Syria leads to the same in Iran, what are our options?
If we can't leave now, we'll surely not leave then - we'll be told we must stay to honor the fallen to prove the cause was just.

We should remember Ronald Reagan's admonition regarding this area of the world. Ronald Reagan reflected on Lebanon in his memoirs, describing the Middle East as a jungle and Middle East politics as irrational. It forced him to rethink his policy in the region. It's time we do some rethinking as well.

October 28, 2005

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

Start and Sign Petitions! 04.Jan.2006 04:34

Silent One

Snowball and all of you,if you really want your voice heard and make a difference.Start petitions,sign them.Have friends and family sign them.Then pass them on to your state reps!

ActForChange,is a fantastic site.They have petitions you can sign and believe me we have made a difference,our voices are being heard!

 http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/index.cfm

Here is a link to Congressman Earl Blumenauer's website ( for those of you living in Oregon)  http://www.blumenauer.house.gov/

Portland Oregon
729 N.E. Oregon Street
Suite 115
Portland, OR 97232
(503) 231-2300
Fax: (503) 230-5413

Washington DC
US House of Representatives
2446 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-4811
Fax: (202) 225-8941

Printed mail will be subject to a 2-4 week delay due to security procedures. So it's easier and faster to go to his website and send an email!

If you are truly concerned about our nation and our citizens ACT NOW!!! blogging is good for venting,Action is what's required if we are to make a difference!

In regards to woman with the inside info and military women 04.Jan.2006 14:52

The Silent One

Woman with inside info: Do you have any idea what comments like yours can do?I know your posting is old news now but hopefully you'll read this reply!If there was any truth to what you posted,1.You could have put your brother in some really hot water with the gov.not to mention his life and the lives of others. 2.If you think by using a (made up name) here offers any protection to your identity(think again)!and 3. Big Brother watches and hears! So think about what you post when it concerns the safety of others!
In regards to the military women:How did you get so lucky as to only serve 3 months in Iraq when others spend a year or more? LMAO.... my goodness walking a mile to pee?A third grader with a wild imagination could have made up a better story than that!And if you truly are in the military,your the type that bush & co. love.We should at least be thankful that bush is an idiot,someone with half a brain might have been able to pull the wool over our eyes!Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity!

regarding the pentagram and the US government 30.Mar.2007 10:00

Michael Walls michaelwalls_fla@msn.com

Yes, the pentagram appears in an aerial view of Wash., DC, on US warplanes (especially WWII) and as a symbol of rank (i.e. five star general) and don't forget the PENTAgon! Satanic? No. It is a symbol used by the Masons, among others, who largely comprised the founding fathers of this country. When we muse over this country's foundation on "freedom of religion" we must also ponder freedom FROM religion - meaning someone else's religion. Study your history guys - the Catholic Church in the years before America was founded was the most sadistic, tyrannical plague the world has ever known. It was corrupt, power hungry and brutal. To speak out was to risk torture, hanging or being burned alive - all in the name of Jesus, whom they have elevated from prophet to God. Catholicism was created by Romans - the arch enemy of Jesus' movement. It does not resemble its supposed founder at all. Intellects fled Europe and the death grip and thought police of the ruling elite known as the "Holy Roman Empire".

Secret societies were created and huddled together wherever tyranny existed. You can quiet the voices publicly but you can't conquer the minds. If you look at a pentagram - properly displayed - it is shaped like Davinci's famous anatomical drawing of a man, with arms outstretched and legs apart, head at the top - humanity! If you invert the pentagram with the single point facing DOWN as if facing the domain of the mythical scapegoat for human misdeeds known, to the gullible, as Satan you get the so called Satanic symbol. Likewise this group uses an inverted crucifix in the same manner - but the religious authorities don't mention this - it hits too close to home. If you look up Anton Levey and the American "Church" of Satan on the internet you'll find that even these nut cases don't believe in the Devil! "Black Masses" on the whole were not service to Satan but a ritual thumbing of the nose at the Catholic Church.

The pentagram in DC has the single point (the head) literally IN the White House (see picture). It symbolizes reason over overzealous religious superstitions like the ones that permeate the Catholic Church. It's the Catholic Church that is the pagan, not the ones who desire a sane and rational form of Christianity like the Masons. For example study the history of the Roman Vestal Virgins and you will see where nuns came from. Convent comes from the same root word as coven.

Start reading and stop ranting like a bunch of scared little girls. The truth is out there right in front of your nose if you would just do some research. You would obviously be shocked to find that what you may think is good is actually evil - and what you think is evil is in reality the loser in a power struggle. Only the winners get to write the history books!


regarding the pentagram and the US government 30.Mar.2007 10:02

Michael Walls michaelwalls_fla@msn.com

Yes, the pentagram appears in an aerial view of Wash., DC, on US warplanes (especially WWII) and as a symbol of rank (i.e. five star general) and don't forget the PENTAgon! Satanic? No. It is a symbol used by the Masons, among others, who largely comprised the founding fathers of this country. When we muse over this country's foundation on "freedom of religion" we must also ponder freedom FROM religion - meaning someone else's religion. Study your history guys - the Catholic Church in the years before America was founded was the most sadistic, tyrannical plague the world has ever known. It was corrupt, power hungry and brutal. To speak out was to risk torture, hanging or being burned alive - all in the name of Jesus, whom they have elevated from prophet to God. Catholicism was created by Romans - the arch enemy of Jesus' movement. It does not resemble its supposed founder at all. Intellects fled Europe and the death grip and thought police of the ruling elite known as the "Holy Roman Empire".

Secret societies were created and huddled together wherever tyranny existed. You can quiet the voices publicly but you can't conquer the minds. If you look at a pentagram - properly displayed - it is shaped like Davinci's famous anatomical drawing of a man, with arms outstretched and legs apart, head at the top - humanity! If you invert the pentagram with the single point facing DOWN as if facing the domain of the mythical scapegoat for human misdeeds known, to the gullible, as Satan you get the so called Satanic symbol. Likewise this group uses an inverted crucifix in the same manner - but the religious authorities don't mention this - it hits too close to home. If you look up Anton Levey and the American "Church" of Satan on the internet you'll find that even these nut cases don't believe in the Devil! "Black Masses" on the whole were not service to Satan but a ritual thumbing of the nose at the Catholic Church.

The pentagram in DC has the single point (the head) literally IN the White House (see picture). It symbolizes reason over overzealous religious superstitions like the ones that permeate the Catholic Church. It's the Catholic Church that is the pagan, not the ones who desire a sane and rational form of Christianity like the Masons. For example study the history of the Roman Vestal Virgins and you will see where nuns came from. Convent comes from the same root word as coven.

Start reading and stop ranting like a bunch of scared little girls. The truth is out there right in front of your nose if you would just do some research. You would obviously be shocked to find that what you may think is good is actually evil - and what you think is evil is in reality the loser in a power struggle. Only the winners get to write the history books!


regarding the pentagram and the US government 30.Mar.2007 10:03

Michael Walls michaelwalls_fla@msn.com

Yes, the pentagram appears in an aerial view of Wash., DC, on US warplanes (especially WWII) and as a symbol of rank (i.e. five star general) and don't forget the PENTAgon! Satanic? No. It is a symbol used by the Masons, among others, who largely comprised the founding fathers of this country. When we muse over this country's foundation on "freedom of religion" we must also ponder freedom FROM religion - meaning someone else's religion. Study your history guys - the Catholic Church in the years before America was founded was the most sadistic, tyrannical plague the world has ever known. It was corrupt, power hungry and brutal. To speak out was to risk torture, hanging or being burned alive - all in the name of Jesus, whom they have elevated from prophet to God. Catholicism was created by Romans - the arch enemy of Jesus' movement. It does not resemble its supposed founder at all. Intellects fled Europe and the death grip and thought police of the ruling elite known as the "Holy Roman Empire".

Secret societies were created and huddled together wherever tyranny existed. You can quiet the voices publicly but you can't conquer the minds. If you look at a pentagram - properly displayed - it is shaped like Davinci's famous anatomical drawing of a man, with arms outstretched and legs apart, head at the top - humanity! If you invert the pentagram with the single point facing DOWN as if facing the domain of the mythical scapegoat for human misdeeds known, to the gullible, as Satan you get the so called Satanic symbol. Likewise this group uses an inverted crucifix in the same manner - but the religious authorities don't mention this - it hits too close to home. If you look up Anton Levey and the American "Church" of Satan on the internet you'll find that even these nut cases don't believe in the Devil! "Black Masses" on the whole were not service to Satan but a ritual thumbing of the nose at the Catholic Church.

The pentagram in DC has the single point (the head) literally IN the White House (see picture). It symbolizes reason over overzealous religious superstitions like the ones that permeate the Catholic Church. It's the Catholic Church that is the pagan, not the ones who desire a sane and rational form of Christianity like the Masons. For example study the history of the Roman Vestal Virgins and you will see where nuns came from. Convent comes from the same root word as coven.

Start reading and stop ranting like a bunch of scared little girls. The truth is out there right in front of your nose if you would just do some research. You would obviously be shocked to find that what you may think is good is actually evil - and what you think is evil is in reality the loser in a power struggle. Only the winners get to write the history books!


regarding the pentagram and the US government 30.Mar.2007 10:07

Michael Walls michaelwalls_fla@msn.com

Yes, the pentagram appears in an aerial view of Wash., DC, on US warplanes (especially WWII) and as a symbol of rank (i.e. five star general) and don't forget the PENTAgon! Satanic? No. It is a symbol used by the Masons, among others, who largely comprised the founding fathers of this country. When we muse over this country's foundation on "freedom of religion" we must also ponder freedom FROM religion - meaning someone else's religion. Study your history guys - the Catholic Church in the years before America was founded was the most sadistic, tyrannical plague the world has ever known. It was corrupt, power hungry and brutal. To speak out was to risk torture, hanging or being burned alive - all in the name of Jesus, whom they have elevated from prophet to God. Catholicism was created by Romans - the arch enemy of Jesus' movement. It does not resemble its supposed founder at all. Intellects fled Europe and the death grip and thought police of the ruling elite known as the "Holy Roman Empire".

Secret societies were created and huddled together wherever tyranny existed. You can quiet the voices publicly but you can't conquer the minds. If you look at a pentagram - properly displayed - it is shaped like Davinci's famous anatomical drawing of a man, with arms outstretched and legs apart, head at the top - humanity! If you invert the pentagram with the single point facing DOWN as if facing the domain of the mythical scapegoat for human misdeeds known, to the gullible, as Satan you get the so called Satanic symbol. Likewise this group uses an inverted crucifix in the same manner - but the religious authorities don't mention this - it hits too close to home. If you look up Anton Levey and the American "Church" of Satan on the internet you'll find that even these nut cases don't believe in the Devil! "Black Masses" on the whole were not service to Satan but a ritual thumbing of the nose at the Catholic Church.

The pentagram in DC has the single point (the head) literally IN the White House (see picture). It symbolizes reason over overzealous religious superstitions like the ones that permeate the Catholic Church. It's the Catholic Church that is the pagan, not the ones who desire a sane and rational form of Christianity like the Masons. For example study the history of the Roman Vestal Virgins and you will see where nuns came from. Convent comes from the same root word as coven.

Start reading and stop ranting like a bunch of scared little girls. The truth is out there right in front of your nose if you would just do some research. You would obviously be shocked to find that what you may think is good is actually evil - and what you think is evil is in reality the loser in a power struggle. Only the winners get to write the history books!


regarding the pentagram and the US government 30.Mar.2007 11:09

Michael Walls michaelwalls_fla@msn.com

Yes, the pentagram appears in an aerial view of Wash., DC, on US warplanes (especially WWII) and as a symbol of rank (i.e. five star general) and don't forget the PENTAgon! Satanic? No. It is a symbol used by the Masons, among others, who largely comprised the founding fathers of this country. When we muse over this country's foundation on "freedom of religion" we must also ponder freedom FROM religion - meaning someone else's religion. Study your history guys - the Catholic Church in the years before America was founded was the most sadistic, tyrannical plague the world has ever known. It was corrupt, power hungry and brutal. To speak out was to risk torture, hanging or being burned alive - all in the name of Jesus, whom they have elevated from prophet to God. Catholicism was created by Romans - the arch enemy of Jesus' movement. It does not resemble its supposed founder at all. Intellects fled Europe and the death grip and thought police of the ruling elite known as the "Holy Roman Empire".

Secret societies were created and huddled together wherever tyranny existed. You can quiet the voices publicly but you can't conquer the minds. If you look at a pentagram - properly displayed - it is shaped like Davinci's famous anatomical drawing of a man, with arms outstretched and legs apart, head at the top - humanity! If you invert the pentagram with the single point facing DOWN as if facing the domain of the mythical scapegoat for human misdeeds known, to the gullible, as Satan you get the so called Satanic symbol. Likewise this group uses an inverted crucifix in the same manner - but the religious authorities don't mention this - it hits too close to home. If you look up Anton Levey and the American "Church" of Satan on the internet you'll find that even these nut cases don't believe in the Devil! "Black Masses" on the whole were not service to Satan but a ritual thumbing of the nose at the Catholic Church.

The pentagram in DC has the single point (the head) literally IN the White House (see picture). It symbolizes reason over overzealous religious superstitions like the ones that permeate the Catholic Church. It's the Catholic Church that is the pagan, not the ones who desire a sane and rational form of Christianity like the Masons. For example study the history of the Roman Vestal Virgins and you will see where nuns came from. Convent comes from the same root word as coven.

Start reading and stop ranting like a bunch of scared little girls. The truth is out there right in front of your nose if you would just do some research. You would obviously be shocked to find that what you may think is good is actually evil - and what you think is evil is in reality the loser in a power struggle. Only the winners get to write the history books!